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iandhr

(6,852 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:22 PM Jun 2012

Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked

Source: Yahoo

The Penn State administration had finally hatched a plan. It was too kind, backward and included possibly tampering with a criminal investigation. Still, it was enough of a plan that it could've stopped Jerry Sandusky, child molester, back in 2001.

Just a couple weeks earlier, a football graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, had witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy in a Penn State locker room shower. He told coach Joe Paterno. He told vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. He could've been more specific. He was clearly specific enough, however, to get their attention.
Schultz plotted out a course of action, according to a bombshell report by CNN, citing an email exchange that's been uncovered in the school's independent investigation by former FBI chief Louis Freeh. The report could be released as early as next month.

According to CNN in an email dated Feb. 26, 2001, Schultz wrote to Curley about a three-part plan that included talking "with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," … "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare."

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The **** has not even begun to hit the fan.
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Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked (Original Post) iandhr Jun 2012 OP
It seems that Sandusky (and others unknown) had leverage over Paterno and the rest of the program leveymg Jun 2012 #1
so the money and gambling on the game cindyperry2010 Jun 2012 #6
My instincts tell me the same thing. Nostradammit Jul 2012 #36
Once he snookered them into covering up... sofa king Jul 2012 #46
I don't think they go to the lengths of killing a DA just for the gambling thing, though. Nostradammit Jul 2012 #48
No, me either. sofa king Jul 2012 #50
Sadly, I think the pedophile ring is almost assured. Frank Cannon Jul 2012 #38
+1,000,000 Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #20
there needn't be some other leverage ... krkaufman Jul 2012 #28
The truth is even sadder. Pedophiles are almost always protected. yardwork Jul 2012 #44
Could just be as simple as Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #55
All for the sake of the sacrament of football. calimary Jun 2012 #2
no . . for the sake of the money football brings in DrDan Jun 2012 #12
Fair enough. calimary Jun 2012 #18
For a sportswriter, Wetzel had outstanding daily coverage of the Sandusky trial. rug Jun 2012 #3
I thought so, too! NJCher Jul 2012 #47
Gee- And I remember when Paterno died... richmwill Jun 2012 #4
How convenient. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. leveymg Jun 2012 #5
I'm starting to wonder if he's really dead Sedona Jun 2012 #17
I agree Stargazer09 Jun 2012 #7
Maybe his myriad defenders here will begin chewing on their words now. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #8
So allegations were made (by an eye witness!) that Sandusky had raped a child in the locker room... Journeyman Jun 2012 #9
The workaround language was for plausible deniability if the emails ever got out Posteritatis Jun 2012 #11
DUzy candidate! rocktivity Jun 2012 #16
good one krkaufman Jul 2012 #31
He failed to report to the ass-rape compliance co-ordinator AngryAmish Jul 2012 #57
history The Jungle 1 Jun 2012 #10
You are exactly right! (Welcome to DU) Vanje Jun 2012 #13
People need to stop giving money to sports teams who have plenty of it. Crowman1979 Jun 2012 #14
Ever notice that its the religious conservative football player types that try to hide stuff under.. Crowman1979 Jun 2012 #15
Paterno died at the right time. Else he would be facing prison time, too. rateyes Jun 2012 #19
that hastened his death Skittles Jul 2012 #51
Ex University President Spanier: 'The only downside for us...' Princess Turandot Jun 2012 #21
The "humane" thing is what's so profoundly baffling melissaf Jun 2012 #22
$$$ krkaufman Jul 2012 #29
That's what makes me so angry. No consideration or even a thought given to all the children. yardwork Jul 2012 #43
Spanier should go to jail. Punkingal Jul 2012 #53
Paterno covered up child abuse RainDog Jun 2012 #23
no, it doesn't krkaufman Jul 2012 #30
McQueary had already talked to Paterno RainDog Jul 2012 #34
Time for Penn State to tear down his statue Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2012 #24
. rocktivity Jul 2012 #25
I believe that one of the top ten (commandments) states: waddirum Jul 2012 #49
There is an active conspiracy here..... a conspiracy of silence Historic NY Jul 2012 #26
It's not over. Far from it. Lugnut Jul 2012 #27
Ouch. krkaufman Jul 2012 #32
Then there is the issue of the missing DDA. n/t kickysnana Jul 2012 #33
named Ray Gricar. alp227 Jul 2012 #35
Yeah, here is where it really starts to reek. Nostradammit Jul 2012 #39
Will we ever know the truth? blue neen Jul 2012 #40
Yes, over half a decade after not prosecuting Sandusky Cosmocat Jul 2012 #42
Who said that "they" did? blue neen Jul 2012 #45
"seems like way more than a coincidence that Gricar disappeared when he did." Cosmocat Jul 2012 #54
That's your take on it. blue neen Jul 2012 #56
I wish paterno were here so he could go to jail adigal Jul 2012 #37
Since this have broken: jonthebru Jul 2012 #41
If former FBI chief Louis Freeh is handling the "independent investigation" tularetom Jul 2012 #52

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. It seems that Sandusky (and others unknown) had leverage over Paterno and the rest of the program
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jun 2012

What was their leverage?

I think there's another scandal wrapped up inside this one that protected Sandusky, that if it came out would have destroyed Penn State football and its coaching staff.

My gut tells me it has to do with:

cindyperry2010

(846 posts)
6. so the money and gambling on the game
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jun 2012

i sadly have a vague suspicion of a pedophile ring around the second mile. hope i am wrong but would not be surprised. it is all disgusting and i said all along paterno had to know. there was no way he didn't sinced 1998 when the state police investigated the first time. wonder how long the all knew.

Nostradammit

(2,921 posts)
36. My instincts tell me the same thing.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:16 AM
Jul 2012

I would imagine Sandusky must have had some very powerful leverage against some powerful people to stay out of prison for as long as he did.

Somehow I don't think a threat of exposing a gambling ring would do it, they were risking too much keeping him around.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
46. Once he snookered them into covering up...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:45 PM
Jul 2012

...Sandusky had 'em right where he wanted them. If he convinced them the first time that it was a misunderstanding, and they went to bat for him then, then they all became co-conspirators who had to protect Sandusky to evade prosecution themselves for collusion.

Sandusky seems to have been a master at interpersonal manipulation. Now, he's the anchor which shall drag all of them down. I give him less than 30 days to live once he's quietly circulated into the general population sometime next year, and the Commonwealth will hold up his hands and say, "oops, I guess it ends here."

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
50. No, me either.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jul 2012

I don't claim to know what's going on, but I've learned to prick my ears up whenever leveymg has a hunch.

Personally, I think absolutely everything Sandusky was doing had the ulterior motive of getting him closer to the kids. If there's a gambling scandal here, I think he maneuvered the circumstances of that to enable him to commit his still more heinous crimes.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
38. Sadly, I think the pedophile ring is almost assured.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:24 AM
Jul 2012

I hope the authorities are looking into the lives of the high-level donors to that bullshit "charity", which shut its doors almost immediately after Sandusky was busted.

krkaufman

(13,438 posts)
28. there needn't be some other leverage ...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:34 AM
Jul 2012

There needn't be any other leverage beyond everyone involved in the coverup trying to protect their own jobs, their reputations, and the reputation of the Penn State football program and university. As the article suggests, Paterno's career was in question at the time, 2001, and public revelation of Sandusky's misdeeds would likely have been enough to end Paterno's career -- though, in the end, perhaps with more remaining of his legacy than will now likely survive, if the implications in the emails prove true.

Also, as the article states...

It is now perfectly reasonable to postulate that Joe Paterno protected Jerry Sandusky, who had been a Penn State assistant coach from 1969 until retiring in 1999.


Given that Paterno is dead, we may never truly know his complicity, and I'm not sure how much stock I'll put in the testimony of the remaining conspirators.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
44. The truth is even sadder. Pedophiles are almost always protected.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

No further conspiracy required. The fact is that pedophiles are rarely busted by the adults around them, even though those other adults have reasons to know what is happening.

What we're seeing is something that survivors of childhood sexual abuse already know. Society protects and enables the abusers most of the time.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
55. Could just be as simple as
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:32 AM
Jul 2012

Paterno knowing Sandusky for over 30+ years, and he couldn't bring himself to turn in an old friend...

Add that to the fact that no one at PSU wanted a scandal, especially given their "clean" reputation, so everyone closed their eyes and covered their ears...

calimary

(81,500 posts)
2. All for the sake of the sacrament of football.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jun 2012

I'll never understand that one. Fucking FOOTBALL?????? We set all morals, ethics, and even LAWS aside, for the sake of fucking FOOTBALL.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. For a sportswriter, Wetzel had outstanding daily coverage of the Sandusky trial.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jun 2012

The play by play was gripping.

richmwill

(1,326 posts)
4. Gee- And I remember when Paterno died...
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jun 2012

I was slammed by some people for saying that he was an enabler. But I guess enabling and turning a blind eye to Sandusky's criminal acts was ok, because he was a good football coach. Right?

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
7. I agree
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012
The **** has not even begun to hit the fan.


The article really showed that some people will go to horrific lengths to keep their careers intact.

Basically, none of those men gave a damn about the boys being abused. They were only worried about their college and its football program.

Sickening.

Journeyman

(15,040 posts)
9. So allegations were made (by an eye witness!) that Sandusky had raped a child in the locker room...
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jun 2012

and the university hatched a plan that included "talking with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility."

I'm confused. Did Sandusky rape the child in the wrong room? Or did he forget to fill out the proper "preparing to rape a child" form?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
11. The workaround language was for plausible deniability if the emails ever got out
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jun 2012

Not that that worked out terribly well in the end, but the clear tone of those emails is "we're talking about how to suppress this in a way that makes it as far from obvious as possible what we're suppressing."

If Paterno and company had actually mentioned what Sandusky did - or, hell, mentioned his name - in them, then that'd get in the way of their ability to pretend nothing happened.

krkaufman

(13,438 posts)
31. good one
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:50 AM
Jul 2012

Yeah, that was a pretty damning email passage.

Sadly, it comes across as fellow members of a paedo ring needing to have an intervention with a member who is just getting a little too bold, out-in-the-open with his activities.

These guys need to face some serious jail time.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
10. history
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jun 2012

We as a society ignored all these sex crimes for years.
We are not there yet, but we are getting close.

IT IS NEVER WRONG TO QUESTION AUTHORITY. If you teach you children nothing else teach then that.

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
13. You are exactly right! (Welcome to DU)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:34 PM
Jun 2012

Its almost as if its not a crime if an important man abuses "unimportant" children.

"Funny Uncle"

Not very funny , really.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
15. Ever notice that its the religious conservative football player types that try to hide stuff under..
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:50 PM
Jun 2012

...the rug.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
21. Ex University President Spanier: 'The only downside for us...'
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jun 2012

Per the CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justice/penn-state-emails/index.html)

"The only downside for us is if the message (to Sandusky) isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it," Spanier purportedly wrote.

"But that can be assessed down the down the road. The approach you outline is humane and a reasonable way to proceed," he adds.


'Humane' - to Sandusky, not future victims. The 'downside'? Their legal culpability, not future victims.
These children were worthless to them, apparently.

If the email descriptions are accurate, Spanier should be indicted as the other two uni admins were for failure to report Sandusky and lying to the GJ.

The NYT has a similar story: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=all

melissaf

(379 posts)
22. The "humane" thing is what's so profoundly baffling
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jun 2012

to me. I mean, it's not like Sandusky was caught shoplifting a pack of Lifesavers...

I think Spanier should definitely be thrown in with the rest of the pack, for criminal behavior and brutal stupidity (or stupid brutality, take your pick).

krkaufman

(13,438 posts)
29. $$$
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:38 AM
Jul 2012

Those emails are gonna cost Penn State a load of money. (aside from hopefully putting at least those 3 guys in prison)

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
43. That's what makes me so angry. No consideration or even a thought given to all the children.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:08 PM
Jul 2012

Republicans - and don't forget these are all Republicans, very powerful Republicans closely connected to state and federal party leaders - are always talking about "family values" and "think of the children."

We see how that worked in practice at Penn State.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
53. Spanier should go to jail.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:14 AM
Jul 2012

He is a marriage and family counselor for pete's sake, and he cared nothing for the kids.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
23. Paterno covered up child abuse
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:20 PM
Jun 2012

according to this email included in the OP link:

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.


Paterno was directly responsible for making it possible for Sandusky to abuse more children - but all the other adults were complicit, as well, for not ignoring Paterno.

But Paterno was the one who made the request to stop direct action to deal with the situation. What a winner.

krkaufman

(13,438 posts)
30. no, it doesn't
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:44 AM
Jul 2012

No, it doesn't demonstrate that Paterno was "directly responsible" for making it possible for the abuse to continue. The email quote certainly raises the possibility that Paterno blunted their response -- but that conclusion would require knowing exactly what Curley discussed with Paterno, and that isn't clear.

Unfortunately, with Paterno dead and that conversation likely not having been documented, we'll likely never know with any certainty what was said. Will Curley tell the truth, will he fall on his sword and protect Paterno, or will he say that the escalating the issue to authorities was blocked by Paterno. He could testify any number of ways, but unless there was a third person present during their conversation, or it was recorded/documented at the time, we'll be stuck with whatever Curley, a known conspirator in the coverup, tells us.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
34. McQueary had already talked to Paterno
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:29 AM
Jul 2012
In a 2011 appearance to the grand jury, Paterno said McQueary detailed what he saw in the shower. Within a couple days Paterno relayed the story to Curley over the phone. He said he wasn't involved in the investigation after that.


Paterno knew, no matter what he and Curley discussed, as Paterno himself admitted. So, you're trying to claim that Curley would've broken the law and Paterno would've gone along with it?

Cause remember - Paterno himself admitted he had been informed of the abuse. You're trying to pretend that Paterno would've never thought to mention this to Sandusky or wonder why the guy was not getting medical help after the email exchange noted here? For a problem that would've undermined the entire Penn State program that Paterno built?

That one is difficult to believe. Tim Curley was Joe Paterno's boss in title only. Curley grew up in State College in a house just down the street from the current Beaver Stadium. He parked cars and sold programs as a kid. He played football at Penn State and was said to be JoePa's handpicked choice as athletic director years later.


I cannot believe the lengths some will go to to try to pretend Paterno was not aware of the abuse.

In the testimony, Paterno said he "knew inappropriate action was taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster" after a meeting with then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, who allegedly saw Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in a locker room shower the previous night, but did not inform police and waited at least a day to inform his boss, athletic director Tim Curley, because he "didn't want to interfere with their weekends."

Sandusky, who played and coached under Paterno for more than 30 years prior to his retirement in 1999, remained a regular on Penn State's campus until his arrest on a multitude of sexual abuse charges last month.

Sandusky had been implicated as a possible sex offender as early as 1998, when university police were involved in an investigation following "allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior involving Sandusky and young boys in the football showers." At least two detectives in that case reportedly heard Sandusky admit to showering with a boy on two different occasions, once to the boy's mother and once in an interview with the state's child welfare agency, but the case was closed after the county district attorney (now deceased) declined to prosecute. Schultz told the grand jury he was aware of the investigation that Penn State police had produced a 95-page report.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/joe-paterno-told-a-grand-jury-he-knew-inappropriate-action-was-taken-by-jerry-sandusky-with-a-youngster-in-2002?urn=ncaaf,wp11597

The entire Penn State football program is an embarrassment.

An asst. coach didn't want to interfere with someone's weekend to say... oh, Sandusky is fucking children in the showers. The deference to authority is disgusting. The attempt to put the program over children's lives is repulsive.

It reminds so much of the Catholic Church - honestly - and reminds me what is wrong with both institutions.

waddirum

(979 posts)
49. I believe that one of the top ten (commandments) states:
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jul 2012

Thou shalt not make any graven images.

But like all of the others, this one has an asterisk which allows it if done by the "good guys".

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
26. There is an active conspiracy here..... a conspiracy of silence
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:28 AM
Jul 2012

wonder if they will go further in the courts.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
27. It's not over. Far from it.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:25 AM
Jul 2012

I'm waiting to see how and when Tom Corbett gets fried for his role in the cover-up. He was the PA AG at the time and he assigned ONE state trooper to the case.

krkaufman

(13,438 posts)
32. Ouch.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:54 AM
Jul 2012

Yeah, hard to see him not catching some heat, at some point.

Hope he's not stupid enough to try to stall any current investigations.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
40. Will we ever know the truth?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:41 AM
Jul 2012

It seems like way more than a coincidence that Gricar disappeared when he did.

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
42. Yes, over half a decade after not prosecuting Sandusky
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jul 2012

they went and have him killed?

Because?

These morons are guilty of doing, literally, nothing.

But, sure, it is easy to see how someone who never knew who Ray Gricar was solved the case after all these years.

A man who was a week past having successfully prosecuting the biggest heroin ring in his county, who prosecuted and investigated murders, hard criminals, actual organized crime, it is the obvious conclusion that egg headed academics had him killed when he wasn't even investigating them.

This outside of the fact that almost 9 years to the day, his brother killed himself in a similar manner to how Gricar disappeared.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
45. Who said that "they" did?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jul 2012

There are many possibilities here...and, IMHO, they should all be considered.

I don't know what happened to Mr. Gricar but believe it would be good for everyone TO know...especially his family.

So, that goes back to the original question: "will we ever know the truth?"

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
54. "seems like way more than a coincidence that Gricar disappeared when he did."
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 07:23 AM
Jul 2012

You strongly suggested that this was the reason for his disappearance, without even knowing the time line.

Well, yeah, it would be "good to know."

But, this has been a mystery people have been trying to solves for a LONG time before last fall when the Sandusky situation came to light.

What is sad for the family, is people who never heard of Gricar thinking they broke the case when they found out about Sandusky.

Of the 1,000s of possibilities, that it had ANYTHING to do with Sandusky/PSU is pretty much the last possibility.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
56. That's your take on it.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:39 AM
Jul 2012

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Thank God we live in a country that allows for differing opinions!

We are also entitled to ask questions before, during, and after investigations.

I didn't first hear about Ray Gricar in November. You seem to have made up your mind about what happened, which is fine. I have not, which is also fine.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
37. I wish paterno were here so he could go to jail
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:05 AM
Jul 2012

Teach everyone that athletics are not above the law.

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
41. Since this have broken:
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jul 2012

The law requires anyone who is responsible for children to report any indications or knowledge of abuse to authorities. Its hard to believe that coaches and other athletic staff were left out of the law, at least in some states. Now, California and probably other states have added those people to the law.
If the "Department Of Welfare" people had been correctly notified the situation would have ended. The right ethical person was never informed.
Unfortunately George Orwell had it right. "All people were created equal, but some are more equal than others."

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
52. If former FBI chief Louis Freeh is handling the "independent investigation"
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:17 PM
Jul 2012

You can pretty much bet that all things sleazy and slimy will be covered up and/or denied. The only reason they hired that asshole is that they knew he was a whore who would do what they told him as long as they paid him.

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