Trump: I Would Stop Crime By Letting ‘Tough’ Cops Take Charge

[Stuart G]

Source: Talking Points Memo:

Pushed by Fox News host Bill O’Reilly to provide specifics on curbing violent crime in cities like Chicago, Donald Trump said Monday that he would simply put “tough” cops in charge.


“So, specifically, specifically. How do you do it? How do you do it?” O’Reilly asked.

“I know police in Chicago,” Trump replied. “If they were given the authority to do it, they would get it done.”

“How? How?” O’Reilly pressed.

“You have unbelievable—how? By being very much tougher than they are right now,” Trump said. “They are right now not tough. I mean, I could tell you this very long and quite boring story but when I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very top police. I said, ‘How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge,’ to a specific person, ‘Do you think you could stop it?’ He said, ‘Mr. Trump, I would be able to stop it in one week.’ And I believed him 100 percent.”

Trump, who has actively courted the endorsement of the national Fraternal Order of Police union and campaigned as the “law and order” candidate said that he would serve as a “cheerleader for the police” as president.




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I don't think that a "top police" said something like that...

[liberal N proud]

1. Trump has no respect for the Constitution

I repeat, Trump has no respect for the Constitution.

He has many times proposed actions that completely violate the Constitution. It begs the question, has he read the Constitution?
If he did, was he able to comprehend the Constitution?

[Stuart G]

2. I agree with you, no respect for the Constitution..All he cares about is himself..

nothing more, ever..... not yesterday, not today or tomorrow..

[RKP5637]

4. Many confuse what Trump is running for. He is running for DICTATOR of the United States!

The guy is an extremely dangerous individual.

[Locrian]

14. the scary thing is

that SOME people DON'T confuse it. They WANT a dictator.

[RKP5637]

25. Quite true, extremely scary. n/t

[bulloney]

33. They think they want a dictator because they think he would only restrict minorities' rights.

Then, when the dictator comes after them and their rights (and it would be inevitable), then they give you the "Hey! What the hell is going on?" reaction.

[moonscape]

67. Exactly. n/t

[niyad]

87. martin niemoller, anyone?

[barbtries]

52. i agree

and that is scary as hell. why would anyone.

[gg4usa]

63. I had one Trump supporter word it like this -

"When you have an attic full of raccoons, all you want is for them to be gone." He thought Trump would be the guy to do it even if you didn't like him. I never asked this supporter who the raccoons were supposed to be, but I'm assuming he meant Democrats and/or brown people.

[LiberalFighter]

76. It is likely he used raccoons as a symbolism for African-Americans.

They were at one time referred to as coons.

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. He thinks it's an old war ship in Boston.

He has no clue about what is in the constitution.

[Bucky]

71. Trump has no respect for English syntax neither

Seriously, does he ever give his pronouns antecedents?

[jtuck004]

3. The nasty man just dumped on every officer on duty today. Please proceed, sweetheart. n/t

[RapSoDee]

5. "Then you libs will feel the Republican whip, and bend under corporate chains." - #ComradeTrump (R)

[riversedge]

10. Not far from being the truth.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Mango Mussolini

[avebury]

6. The police have enough problems in this country without

Trump trying to turn them into the Gestapo. You can really tell that he is a disciple of Hitler.

[duncang]

7. So not only would he encourage abuse.

But also thinks he would be picking all the police chiefs in the country? Dipshit you say you want to be President. You aren't running for Mayor of every city in the U.S. .

[Democat]

8. Sounds like he wants to turn the US into the Philippines

Another anti-American idea by Trump.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines.html

[True Dough]

9. Trump lurches around for answers

Stumbling over himself until he figures out who he can hand the ball off to, and it's usually not someone who should be trusted without oversight.

He makes asinine statements about how the country will be safer on his first day in office. How people will stop getting shot while walking down the street if he becomes president. He hadn't explained how this will be accomplished, until now. He's planning to give police departments carte blanche to enforce justice as they see fit. Civil liberties will really take a backseat under Drumpf.

[mainer]

12. Because we all know that current police chiefs are such pansies

He's going to replace them with real he-men.

[mahina]

16. Duterte II, or the Cheeto Benito?

Fascist SOB.

[MrScorpio]

18. Are you getting enough oxygen? nt

[narnian60]

48. Hahahaha.

[Friend or Foe]

19. Is Drumpf talking about the same Chicago police that ran the off-the-books rendition/torture site?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

[underpants]

28. This story has gotten very little attention. Thanks

I heard about it on Democracy Now.

[Person 2713]

56. +I was reading this thinking Good he is finally highlighting all the rogue poilice gangs in Chicago

Plenty of potential for his new guards here on the beat but Homan Square is a step up


From your link for some who are not local may not remember
Regardless of departmental regulations, police frequently deny or elide access to lawyers even at regular police precincts, said Solowiej of First Defense Legal Aid. But she said the outright denial was exacerbated at Chicago’s secretive interrogation and holding facility: “It’s very, very rare for anyone to experience their constitutional rights in Chicago police custody, and even more so at Homan Square,” Solowiej said.

Church said that one of his more striking memories of Homan Square was the “big, big vehicles” police had inside the complex that “look like very large MRAPs that they use in the Middle East.”

Cook County, home of Chicago, has received some 1,700 pieces of military equipment from a much-criticized Pentagon program transferring military gear to local police. It includes a Humvee, according to a local ABC News report.

Tracy Siska, a criminologist and civil-rights activist with the Chicago Justice Project, said that Homan Square, as well as the unrelated case of ex-Guantánamo interrogator and retired Chicago detective Richard Zuley, showed the lines blurring between domestic law enforcement and overseas military operations.

“The real danger in allowing practices like Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib is the fact that they always creep into other aspects,” Siska said.

“They creep into domestic law enforcement, either with weaponry like with the militarization of police, or interrogation practices. That’s how we ended up with a black site in Chicago.”

Thanks Friend Fr the link to highlight how he'd get it done

[sinkingfeeling]

20. Simple answer: fascism. He would have a force of ardent,

white supremacist supporters acting as brown shirts.

[Taitertots]

21. "Tough" = "Criminals" in this context

We should never accept state crime as a reasonable alternative to private crime.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. He's basing his whole policy on what one, maybe two people said. Of course it has no details. . . nt

[William Seger]

30. I'd give 20-to1 he made that story up on the spot (n/t)

[cyberswede]

39. ^^ yep. nt

[world wide wally]

40. What exactly is a "very top police"?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. It's the kind of expression pitched at and used by people with grade 5 language skills. . . nt

[neeksgeek]

62. Video clip: "Top. Men."

[Still In Wisconsin]

24. I can about guarantee you're right... no police said that. He's just making shit up again.

"A lot of people are saying, I'm hearing, I heard,..."

Same shit, different day.

[bora13]

26. "You have unbelievable—how?"

"You have unbelievable—how?" is the other clue that he is naturally f*cked in the head...

[underpants]

27. So it's Bill O'Reilly who finally pushes him to answer HOW?

This world is upside down.

[William Seger]

29. O’Reilly hates Trump -- narcissists never get along

There can be only one.

[colorado_ufo]

65. What you said!

We have a winner!

[geek tragedy]

31. so he's saying America's police officers aren't tough? nt

[Moonwalk]

83. He's saying that either they're not allowed to be tough, or the tough ones aren't in charge...

...I know it seems backwards. Like the police should take offense and say, "Whadda mean we're not tough?" But Trump knows how work the playground mentality, and this goes back to that. He says, "Sissies are running things, and we need tough guys to run it instead." And the other boys on the playground think, "he's not talking about me. I'm not a sissy. I'm the tough guy who he wants to run things...." And that makes them all act extra tough and mean, because they want to prove they're not the sissies he's talking about. And they grab onto his excuse as well. "Every one's blaming us for things not being orderly. But that's only because they won't let us be as tough as we need to be..."

I'm not saying that all police will think this way. But it's typical Trump. He has to imply that the cops aren't/can't do their job (if crime is down, then why would voters vote for him rather than continue with the democrats?). But he is calling the police "sissies"--how does he keep them on his side? By adding, "You're not all sissies, it's just those running things that are. The best of you are tough, and we'll put you in charge when I'm elected...."

It plays well both to his base and to cops who feel like they're being persecuted, not appreciated and targeted.

[Javaman]

32. as the saying goes, "if you don't have facts, dazzle them with bullshit" nt

[Wounded Bear]

41. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit....

You're welcome.

[MynameisBlarney]

34. What a totally clueless asshole.

I mean seriously, how fucking far removed from reality is this guy?

[narnian60]

49. +100

[Mc Mike]

35. Yes, he's lying with his 'top police' quote. Funny that he's running against the agenda of

the Black Lives Matter movement, while simultaneously attempting to 'appeal' for Black votes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017397941
Running in polar opposite directions, simultaneously.

[matt819]

36. If I were the Chicago police chief

I'd find those top police who spoke to Trump and fire them.

But of course that won't happen. It's been several years, and he still hasn't been able to fire the cops who shot Laquan MacDonald.

Of course, it's also likely that Trump was lying. Wow, wouldn't that be a shocker?!

[awoke_in_2003]

45. Trump didn't speak

with any cops.

[left-of-center2012]

37. "By being very much tougher" -- Where did he learn English?

I want to see his birth certificate.

[Iggo]

59. And "very top police".

As the saying goes, You can fool some of the people some of the time...

[left-of-center2012]

85. He's told us he has the smartest mind in nthe world

And the torch and pitchfork crowd believe that.

[treestar]

38. What happens to the Bill of Rights in this scenario?

Does Donald even know what that is?

[neeksgeek]

68. He thinks it only applies to people like him.

Not those "other" people.

[Wounded Bear]

42. Well, Lord knows we don't have enough people being shot by police...

justified or not.



Oh, and yes that was

[Cryptoad]

43. Trump : Marshal Law

[ProfessorPlum]

74. Martial law

/pedantic

[Jim__]

44. Does Trump actually believe that the president makes appointments to the Chicago police force?

Does this guy have any clue what the president does?

[spinbaby]

46. Wow, that's one loud dog whistle

[etherealtruth]

98. without doubt

[MyOwnPeace]

47. He NEVER........

has answers, or at least ones with specific details.
"I'm not the mayor"
"I spoke to officers - they know how to get it done"
That's his dodge, "I don't/can't answer that right now because "BS, BS, BS"................

TRUST ME! (spoken like a Yuuge Used Car Salesman!)

This is the same thing Rob Reiner was pressing "Morning Joe" about in another post - trying to get detailed answers from him is like trying to pick up a greased pig (hey, that's not a bad comparo!)!!

[narnian60]

50. C'mon debates!

[bucolic_frolic]

51. Trump is making nostalgia moments

yearning for Santorum because he looks so good next to Trump!

[MyOwnPeace]

54. And....

who wouldn't be surprised to see "Little Ricky" come riding in to try to save the day!

[vkkv]

55. POLICE STATE

[Iggo]

57. Very top police?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

103. An ordinary "qualified" officer: link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141557957

[DallasNE]

58. Trump Never Did Answer "How"

What "tougher" measures would he employ. We already have the highest prison population in the world. And that doesn't even count the likes of Michael Brown. Since you can't get any tougher than that, what is he talking about. What is unbelievable is that Trump doesn't even understand that he ducked the question on "how". There are never any specifics in what Trump says. Jobs and not more prisons are what is needed. But such deep thinking eludes Trump every time.

[leftyladyfrommo]

70. He never does. He just rambles on and on about nothing. nt

[sarae]

66. I suppose this is what Trump means by "African-American outreach".

[tonyt53]

61. Hitler did this with the SS. Get tough.

[sarae]

64. Sounds like Trump is suggesting we need MORE police brutality.

He must think there aren't enough innocent black men being shot to death.

[leftyladyfrommo]

69. Does he ever mak sense about anything?

Number one is that he never talked to any top cops in Chicago. He tells lies like that all of the time.

Number two is that racist tough cops are what have gotten us into this sad, horrible situation in the first place.

[LuckyLib]

95. Yep. A master bullshitting bully who thinks the answer to everything

is to kick ass and take names. And he believes police officers should be the front line of doing so.

[milestogo]

72. He always believes people who talk out of their asses

because its standard procedure for him.

[ffr]

73. Sick to my stomach.

The crazy just keeps giving and giving.

[mysuzuki2]

75. Einsatzgruppen in Chicago?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

77. Tough cops? Like these guys?

[KingCharlemagne]

79. OT, but is that a still shot of the Rodney King beating? - nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

82. Yeah.

They were "tough."

[KingCharlemagne]

94. There were 22 LAPD officers present at the site of that beat-down, but only four

were actually charged and eventually convicted. Brings to mind the old adage that "all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to say nothing."

[christx30]

89. And like this guy:

Look at that casual indifference to the rights of those protestors.

[FighttheFuture]

78. Then he can get them all new uniforms. No more Boys in Blue... how about Brown Shirts...?

Or SS Black?!

Hell, go for Orange!!!

[truthisfreedom]

80. His followers know not what they seek

They would be the second wave of victims.

[uppityperson]

81. And the police would become the criminals overnight. Impose a curfew, shoot whomever they wanted

put "taxes" on businesses to stay in business, etc etc etc.

faketweet says

[kimbutgar]

84. So he is calling for a police state

Minority report type or the brownshirt third reich type?

[SummerSnow]

86. So he is giving cops permission to indulge themselves on communities they were sworn to protect?

He is advocating a race war

[BadgerKid]

88. All talk so far, no specifics.

I just get the feeling a lot of what Trump says is more about hype and enthusiasm than having a substantive plan.

[robbob]

90. Wasn't O'Reilly on air a few weeks ago...

Claiming that violence and crime were up because the police had stopped shooting unarmed men? Which apparently was emboldening the criminal element to go on a crime spree? The logic (apparently) being that cops need to be shooting down "suspicious looking" individuals to keep the criminals in check.

By that logic, kill them all and then you'll have no more crime. These 2 really are birds of a feather.

[Koinos]

91. We need some tough FBI and SS cops to arrest Trump for inciting people to assassinate Clinton.

[bucolic_frolic]

92. Who does Trump think he is?

Frank Rizzo?

[JustinL]

93. I wonder if he's alluding to the "strategic subjects list"

There have been many articles in the media recently about a list of 1400 "strategic subjects" maintained by the Chicago Police Department. The police won't publicize the list of names or the criteria for inclusion on the list, but they claim that a very high percentage of shooting victims and perpetrators were on the list. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for certain police officers to be itching for the ability to simply round up everyone on the list.

Examples of articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/armed-with-data-chicago-police-try-to-predict-who-may-shoot-or-be-shot.html?_r=1

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-chicago-police-violence-database-edit-0730-md-20160729-story.html

http://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/August-2016/Chicago-Police-Data/

[Historic NY]

96. First off Chicago has a Police Supt....

a career Chicago cop, unlike the previous one. Chicago has been undermanned for some time. They are taking steps to up their game of the gang wars which unfortunately almost always involve gun play. They pay tremendous amounts in Overtime rather than hire more cops, its a stupid tactic that finally causes morale problems and decreases effectiveness. Many administrative jobs are being done by Sgts. when at Lt. or Higher should be doing them, because they lag in promotions.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/chicago-police-department-civilian-hiring/

[backscatter712]

97. "Tough cops taking charge" == POLICE BRUTALITY.

Gawd, Trump is such a shitstain.

[Skittles]

99. he is endorsing torture

he is a sick, sick man

[JonLP24]

100. What?

How does he plan on being the mayor or city manager and police chief in every city. Aside from it being a bullshit promise but wouldn't work micromanaging police departments.

[Old and In the Way]

101. Weneed a lot less tough cops and a lot more smart cops.

We need to really do psych testing on potential police candidates and weed out the psychos, racists, homophobes, and misc anti-socialists that are creating more problems than they are solving.

[JonathanRackham]

102. Another police state enabler

[Wolf Frankula]

104. He Means the kind of 'tough cops' seen on TV Cop Shows.

You know, the thugs with badges. tRumpsy, you've been watching too much TV.

Wolf