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alp227

(32,027 posts)
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:03 PM Aug 2016

Monday Updates: Curfew for Minors To Be Enforced, Sherman Park To Close Early

Source: WUWM Milwaukee Public Radio

At a press conference Monday, Mayor Tom Barrett announced that the existing 10 p.m. weekday curfew for minors will be more strictly enforced.

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke has also ordered Sherman Park to close to the public at 6 p.m. Monday night. It will reopen at 6 a.m. on Tuesday. Clarke announced that the nighttime park closure will continue until further notice. People angry about the fatal police shooting of an African American man in Milwaukee took to the streets again overnight Sunday.

Protesters threw bricks, rocks and bottles at police and squad cars, injuring one officer. Police responded to multiple reports of gunshots and had to use an armored vehicle to rescue an 18-year-old gunshot victim, who was seriously wounded.

Read more: http://wuwm.com/post/monday-updates-curfew-minors-be-enforced-sherman-park-close-early

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Monday Updates: Curfew for Minors To Be Enforced, Sherman Park To Close Early (Original Post) alp227 Aug 2016 OP
There's only one problem with curfews: They don't work. procon Aug 2016 #1
Its a curfew only on minors, so parents should get a hold of their kids and get them inside Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #3
I have a bad feeling this will be a mess. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #2
It is the protestors' own fault. Archae Aug 2016 #4
For them, yes, but not every teen in Milwaukee was a protester HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #5
I know. I was the "victim" of a curfew once. Archae Aug 2016 #6
The 'IF' about Commie Revolutionaries being at the root of it is still very iffy HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #7

procon

(15,805 posts)
1. There's only one problem with curfews: They don't work.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:37 PM
Aug 2016

Just enforcing a curfew requires an enormous police presence, diverting still more time and revenue from other city services, and shifting resources away from crime prevention and patrol duties. The same people who ignore laws about arson, theft and assault, aren't likely to be deterred by an arbitrary curfew. It's summer, it's hot, and even ordinary folks don't want to be sequestered indoors. Fergusson tried curfews and they got mass protests. Oakland tried curfew and they got a bloody riot.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. Its a curfew only on minors, so parents should get a hold of their kids and get them inside
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 06:40 PM
Aug 2016

I don't want to be inside either, but I think its a valid response to people burning down a few buildings. If we had a curfew, my parents would drag me home if need be to ensure I'm not out past curfew.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. I have a bad feeling this will be a mess.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 06:31 PM
Aug 2016

Teens and young adults that could pass for teens work part-time jobs well into evening

Many of those jobs have little flexibility about absence and leaving early.

It's bound to lead to confrontations which because the curfews will be enforced rigorously will lead to more resentment.

Archae

(46,333 posts)
4. It is the protestors' own fault.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:36 PM
Aug 2016

Oh yeah. "Let's protest a shooting of a punk who pointed his stolen gun at a *BLACK* cop and got shot, by burning black-owned cars and businesses!"

Just frikkin' STUPIDITY.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. For them, yes, but not every teen in Milwaukee was a protester
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 08:27 PM
Aug 2016

The park closure obviously mostly impacts people in the Sherman Park neighborhood.

The curfew is for all teens across the entire city.

Archae

(46,333 posts)
6. I know. I was the "victim" of a curfew once.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:10 PM
Aug 2016

I was driving home from work at 3 am, and even though I was in my mid-20's, I still looked like I was a teenager.
(I still look quite a bit younger than I actually am.)

Cop pulled me over, (there had been riots earlier,) saw my work uniform and my age on my DL and let me go.
Still scared me.

I just heard a radical group from Chicago was seen in the riot neighborhoods.

If these are the "agitators" that caused the riots, they need to be chased back to Chicago. And not allowed back.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. The 'IF' about Commie Revolutionaries being at the root of it is still very iffy
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:46 AM
Aug 2016

It remains unclear how police intelligence put the pieces together for the claim that outside agitators were responsible for organizing violence through electronic media.

It seems unlikely we're going to be told as that would likely reveal on-going surveillance methods on the CRP that national agencies don't want revealed.

It's also pretty clear, and Police Chief Flynn understands this, that any outside agitation --IF-- it was present only ignited a situation in which flammable resentment had locally accumulated. It seems to go unnoticed for example, that the gas-station that was criminally burned was the site of an inter-racial shooting in which the owner shot at black teens just a couple weeks ago.

I get that your post, like many on DU is a show of your personal position, which is support for law and order, and incorporates common attitudes in WI that are phobic about Illinoisans. Congrats, you are mainstream and one of us, although perhaps I'm deviant, because I question things that look like more of the calls to crack down on roving bands of predators that encourage police profiling and targeting of unreasonable methods that have contributed to the reservoir of flammable resentment.

So getting beyond the emotional appeal of building us-ness. Let's stop and -think-, about what is being asked for in such emotional appeals.

HOW DO YOU CHASE PEOPLE OUT OF ANYWHERE IN THE US and refuse to let them back in? IS THAT EVEN REMOTELY DESIRABLE IN A FREE NATION?

It's unclear to me how establishing a police-state mentality in the Hood will do much to make residents there feel normalized rather than targeted for more profiled policing.

Moreover, the basic infrastructure to restrict freedom of movement in and out of Wisconsin and Milwaukee doesn't exist, does it?

In the US we don't require internal passports be in order so that a person can leave a city or to cross state borders. To my knowledge we don't have laws that allow states to ban undesirables from entering their jurisdictions. We do have cameras installed at all Illinois toll plazas and at many major intersections between Chicago and Milwaukee. But although it seems some want such a thing, on Milwaukee's north and northwest sides we don't (at least yet) have an active camera surveillance system in place that is capable of facial recognition in the dark.

I get that DU has taken a turn toward the 'center right' over the years, but despite our troubles and the interpretation of Germanic immigration into Milwaukee as creating the "New Munich", no one here wants an East German state security apparat established but fake democrat Sheriff David Clark jr.

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