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Judi Lynn

(160,587 posts)
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 08:04 PM Aug 2016

Mother cited after child dies in accidental shooting

Source: Associated Press

Mother cited after child dies in accidental shooting

Updated 6:36 pm, Wednesday, August 3, 2016

MARRERO, La. (AP) — The mother of a 5-year-old Louisiana boy faces a child desertion charge after the child's 9-year-old brother accidentally shot him in the head, authorities said Wednesday.

Col. John Fortunato, a spokesman for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, said 29-year-old Generra Brown was issued a court summons for the misdemeanor charge because she left the children unsupervised at a Marrero home before the Tuesday evening shooting that killed her son, Melvin Brady.

Fortunato said investigators believe that Brown, a home health care professional, was caring for a neighbor across the street when her 9-year-old son found a loaded gun while he and his brother were playing in a bedroom closet. As the older brother handled the handgun, it fired one shot that struck the younger child.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Officials-5-year-old-child-dies-in-accidental-9086445.php

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Mother cited after child dies in accidental shooting (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2016 OP
Nothing "accidental" about it -- two unsupervised children found an unsecured weapon in a home . . . Journeyman Aug 2016 #1
Exactly madokie Aug 2016 #6
I agree, and I don't want to read anymore about how the "gun went off." phylny Aug 2016 #7
How does the word in this context, deny its own definition? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #20
Whose gun was it? The owner is responsible. (nt) enough Aug 2016 #2
Crimes are not accidents randr Aug 2016 #3
This, and what punishment for the shooter? scscholar Aug 2016 #4
What punishment would you hope for if someone shot your child randr Aug 2016 #8
Prison for the rest of their life, but I think that is excessive since the shooter is only 9 (ntxt) scscholar Aug 2016 #9
I hold the mother responsible randr Aug 2016 #10
What punishment sarisataka Aug 2016 #12
About time! This 'punished enough' and 'it was accidental' stuff is getting old. flamin lib Aug 2016 #5
What is up with this thread PrideofJefferson Aug 2016 #11
People are just sick of careless gun owners Demobrat Aug 2016 #13
No compassion for neglecting your children to death. Lunabell Aug 2016 #15
I have compassion for the mother. However, an unsecured weapon in the house is like driving drunk. haele Aug 2016 #22
Read four such stories a week, crim son Aug 2016 #25
Good. Lunabell Aug 2016 #14
"Home health care aide helping her neighbor across the street" lostnfound Aug 2016 #16
Gun locks are free sarisataka Aug 2016 #21
49 percent of Louisiana households have a gun lostnfound Aug 2016 #17
Misdemeanor? The kid wasn't wounded, he was killed. Vinca Aug 2016 #18
Should be negligent homicide Demobrat Aug 2016 #19
I have no problem with that as long as it's the same treatment across all demographics. Fla Dem Aug 2016 #23
Absolutely. Demobrat Aug 2016 #24

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
1. Nothing "accidental" about it -- two unsupervised children found an unsecured weapon in a home . . .
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 08:09 PM
Aug 2016

nothing "accidental" at all.

phylny

(8,383 posts)
7. I agree, and I don't want to read anymore about how the "gun went off."
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 09:00 PM
Aug 2016

I mean, do guns just fire when they're handled with out pulling the trigger?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. How does the word in this context, deny its own definition?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
Aug 2016

How does the word in this particular context, deny its own definition?

"an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap.

It was undesirable. It was unfortunate. It did not occur intentionally. It resulted in harm.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
9. Prison for the rest of their life, but I think that is excessive since the shooter is only 9 (ntxt)
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 09:15 PM
Aug 2016

randr

(12,412 posts)
10. I hold the mother responsible
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 09:18 PM
Aug 2016

Allowing a minor to get their hands on a weapon is criminal and any act committed by the weapon should be charged to the perpetrator.
After all---guns don't kill people, people do.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
5. About time! This 'punished enough' and 'it was accidental' stuff is getting old.
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 08:30 PM
Aug 2016

Now just to make sure it applies to white people too. Nothing in the article to indicate race but far too often pretty white women get off with little more than the scars left from being shot by their kid. Like Jamie Lynn Gilt.

 

PrideofJefferson

(54 posts)
11. What is up with this thread
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 09:30 PM
Aug 2016

Zero compassion for this family? A boy kills his sister and now you want to lock his mother up for life. Yeah, his chances of having any semblance of a normal life is over. Great job DU of turning one victim into three. And I love the comment that brings in the racial aspect. Leave no chance to use the optics of race to push an agenda. Compassion and reason are two liberal values I hold dear and will give them up for nothing.

Demobrat

(8,986 posts)
13. People are just sick of careless gun owners
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 10:54 PM
Aug 2016

getting off with a pat on the head and a hanky when their carelessness costs innocent lives.

I don't think anyone here is blaming the kid.

Lunabell

(6,102 posts)
15. No compassion for neglecting your children to death.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:41 AM
Aug 2016

The parents need to be held accountable for leaving a loaded weapon in their children's reach. It is only reasonable.

haele

(12,663 posts)
22. I have compassion for the mother. However, an unsecured weapon in the house is like driving drunk.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:43 PM
Aug 2016

And should be treated as such.
If she was the one who was responsible for bringing a weapon into her home, for whatever purpose (and she might have had a justifiable purpose), then using reasoning, she should bear responsibility for the choices she made on how that weapon is stored and used.

Too many times the social "we" excuse avoidable tragedies based on poor choices because we don't want to end up taking responsibility for our own poor choices that end up in the death of someone who didn't have a chance to avoid it.

I have compassion, I make an effort to understand why a person would make choices - why someone might be miserable enough to self-medicate to excess to kill a secret pain or the symbolic "things" and activities people seek, thinking those things or activities will fix a vulnerability or quell a fear that they are feeling. The things we do to feel better about ourselves and our positions in society, or to feel more in control of our chaotic lives.

People used to excuse drunk drivers all the time for the poor choice they made to drink and drive, while they killed innocent individuals or families (In some places, they still do - if the driver is wealthy enough). Prior to the big push by MADD, the social decision not to punish the drunk driver was inevitably based on the attitude of "well, I sometimes drive a bit tipsy, and while I may have hit the mailbox or a garbage can once or twice coming up my driveway, I've never hit a person or another car - nor has anyone else in my family".
Usually that argument came from people who occasionally went out to drink and might not have been totally sober coming back home. There was self-denial sort of justification that drinking to impairment and then getting behind the wheel was a common occurrence that could happen to anyone but a teetotaler, and it was just bad luck or God's will ... that a older couple coming home from an anniversary dinner and a hard-working guy coming home from a night out with the boys in his big ol' pick-up just happened to fatally intersect on a rare chance that would never happen to them.

I can't tell you how many times that came up as a justification when those who were for status quo in law enforcement or government tried to shut down even thinking of punishing drunk driving with more than a nuisance misdemeanor or accidental manslaughter.

Again, I feel sorry for the mother who left an unsecured firearm and her of-age pair of kids who were obviously not trained in firearm safety alone to make a living. I feel sorry for the 9 year old brother who shot his sister while handling a dangerous weapon that he obviously had only a cursory idea of what it was capable of doing based of what - TV and video games? I feel sorry for the loss of potential that was a young girl.

But I also feel rage that it happens way too many times, devastating too many families - and it seems that people who seem to have a vested interest in keeping the status quo because they may be afraid of being held responsible if a similar situation happened to them with their unsecured weaponry, because they chose not to go through the extra hassle to get a gun safe, or sit down with their kids right off and go through a rigorous gun safety course as a family.

This shooting could have been avoided depending on choices. Two out of three in particular if one chooses to have a firearm at a home where there are children around. These choices are -
1) The choice to have a firearm in the house.
2) The choice to keep the firearm in a secured state, where children can't get to it or can't fire it if they did get to it.
3) The choice to ensure all children that are in the house know guns were not toys, and were not to be touched unless a responsible adult gives them permission.

After making the first choice, choice #2 or #3 pretty much ensures that choice #1 does not end up in an accidental fatality.
And, unless one of the children has a mental or emotional incapacity, choice #3 only costs the firearm owner time, effort, and attention...

Between common sense, news, and hell, the NRA/2nd Amendment cult propaganda machine; there is no reason why anyone in modern society doesn't understand these are the three fairly simple choices are critical to keep children at a home where there's a firearm from accidentally hurting themselves with a firearm.
But apparently, more and more people don't seem to want to take responsibility for the risks they present to others. So unfortunately for people who seem to be in too much in a hurry to think through the ramifications of their choice of actions, like with all other "your right to swing ends where my nose begins" type of situations, there's become legal consequences to allowing situational risks to escalate into a serious injury or fatality - to make people stop and think, before they react.

Haele






crim son

(27,464 posts)
25. Read four such stories a week,
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 07:02 PM
Aug 2016

factor in the mass shootings and it becomes difficult to excuse these gun owners. It's like somebody who smokes and claims they are not aware of any health risks i.e. deliberately taking a chance and hoping/assuming you will get away with it.

Lunabell

(6,102 posts)
14. Good.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:38 AM
Aug 2016

It's about time parents were held accountable for their children's deaths when firearms are left in their reach. Sad for their loss, but they are just as culpable as if they handed the loaded gun to the child.

lostnfound

(16,187 posts)
16. "Home health care aide helping her neighbor across the street"
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 06:13 AM
Aug 2016

Taking care of two little kids and a neighbor at the same time

Gone from the house for only a few minutes
http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/crime_police/article_598f4f78-5913-11e6-80c0-9f5b91060daf.html
Child desertion is a bullshit charge
Burden of childcare in families with no support structure just sucks

I would not be surprised to find out it wasn't even her own gun, for that matter

Some people that deserve to be locked up are the ones who object to handprint safety locks for guns -- ought to be freely available, but instead the stupid NRA opposes

And the ones scaring every tom dick and Harry into wanting one

This is sickening
Poor damn little kids

sarisataka

(18,704 posts)
21. Gun locks are free
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

and available all over the country.
http://www.projectchildsafe.org/

The only ones I have seen opposed to this program are pro-gun control. Handing out hundreds of thousands of free locks was dismissed as a "distraction"; punishment is preferred over prevention.
(Interesting comparison, Bloomberg's Everytown launched a free gun lock program in May of 2015. They have yet to actually hand out a single lock)

Demobrat

(8,986 posts)
19. Should be negligent homicide
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:42 PM
Aug 2016

The kid is dead because of the choices she made. Yes, it's sad. Yes, she was probably doing the best she could. But none of that matters. What matters is that she left a loaded gun within reach of a child. That is not okay. Messages need to be sent.

Fla Dem

(23,711 posts)
23. I have no problem with that as long as it's the same treatment across all demographics.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:40 PM
Aug 2016

Rich/middle class/poor/White/Black/ Asian/Latino. And professions....law enforcement.

Demobrat

(8,986 posts)
24. Absolutely.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Aug 2016

ALL gun owners need to be held responsible when weapons that should be under their control hurt and kill people.

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