Pope: It's 'Terrible' Children Taught They Can Choose Gender
Source: NY Times
VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has lamented that children, as he puts it, are being taught at school that gender can be a choice.
Francis said: "Today, in schools they are teaching this to children -- to children! -- that everyone can choose their gender."
Without specifying, he blamed this on textbooks supplied by "persons and institutions who donate money."
Francis weighed in during a closed-door meeting last week with bishops from Poland during his pilgrimage there. The Vatican released a transcript Tuesday of those private remarks.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/08/02/world/europe/ap-eu-rel-vatican-pope-gender.html?_r=0
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niyad
(113,593 posts)about the pedophile priests. and when are you going to apologize for the magdalene laundries, and the witch burnings?
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)You church covering up for pedo priests for DECADES AND DECADES.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)It is a practice that if a child is born with both genders, the doctor will decide to cut one off. That is what I understand.
It would be wrong to let the child decide later?
I like this pope, but this is poop.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)that sounds a little redundant.
Anyways, the argument they used is that the Holy Spirit moved the doctors to make the correct choice for the child. They actually argued that the doctors are infallible in that instance. It was ridiculous. But that subreddit is just vile, they are rather open theocrats in the form of Catholic Monarchy, etc. extreme right wingers.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Either that or their response sounds laughably pathetic.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)the r/Catholicism subreddit is run and operated by radical right wing Catholics who are extremely orthodox. They border on Schism with Rome due to their opinions on Pope Francis, many view him as far too progressive.
They are, thankfully a small minority, but I've had users on there, who aren't trolling, state that Catholicism should be given a privileged place in the United States, same sex couple caught performing PDAs should be legally punished, with fines and/or jail, they don't think transgender is a thing at all, and will disregard any and all science having to do with society at all. They are fucking nuts. The sad part is they have quite a few member who, in their own words "suffer from same sex attraction".
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)anoNY42
(670 posts)"Without specifying, he blamed this on textbooks supplied by "persons and institutions who donate money." "
I presume he means they don't donate enough to his cult?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Is encouraging everyone to be comfortable with who they are what he is talking about? Is encouraging everyone to respect everyone else what he is talking about? What, exactly, are the things children are being taught that he is referring to?
cstanleytech
(26,326 posts)they are teaching.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Fairfax County School Board has approved expanding the school system’s sex education curriculum to include teaching teenagers in grades 7 through 10 about gender identity and transgender issues.
The 10-to-2 vote Thursday night came amid shouts of anger and howls of frustration from a raucous crowd that largely stood in opposition to the curriculum changes.
The board’s decision centered on changes to the Family Life Education curriculum across all grades. The revisions included adding lessons on gender issues for middle and high school students. But some of those who opposed the changes questioned whether the revisions would trickle down to the lower grades.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-board-approves-adding-transgender-issues-to-the-classroom/2015/06/26/d484c7c2-1c14-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html
cstanleytech
(26,326 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)taught at much younger ages, it will help transgender children identify what they have issues with and allow for a safer learning environment to help them come out as needed. It could save a lot of mental strife for so many.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)Like homosexuality...IT'S NOT A FUCKING CHOICE!
IronLionZion
(45,545 posts)so wouldn't that be the same for transgender people? God made them the gender their spirit identifies with regardless of their physical body?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)that the spirit, and hence your consciousness are genderless, so "gender identity" doesn't really exist at all to these people, you are the sex you were born as, period.
It makes no sense, contradicts what we know about neurobiology and psychology, but there you have it.
angrychair
(8,736 posts)The Church we all know and love.
Like tRump, they just can't help themselves but say stupid shit.
While I liked some of the climate change and income inequality efforts of this guy, he is still no less a right wing religious nut job as the xians we have here in the US. Never forget who these people really are.
bullwinkle428
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CBGLuthier
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Saviolo
(3,283 posts)It's the same story with trans people as women getting abortions and gay men to some of the closed-minded and unempathetic people.
They feel like it's some lah-dee-dah "oh, I think I'm going to be a girl from now on instead of a boy, 'cause that seems neat" choice that trans people are undergoing. Just like the anti-choice people feel like a woman's choice to have an abortion is trivial to them. Just like they feel gay men are choosing to be gay for attention.
It's reductive, dismissive, and dehumanizing. Trans people struggle with their identities for years or decades. Many of them don't make it through the emotional turmoil. Many turn to drugs and alcohol and kill themselves slowly, many just kill themselves quickly instead of dealing with the rejection of friends and family, society, or their own personal feelings of dysphoria. Women struggle to come to terms with ending a pregnancy if that is a choice they have to make. It's not a weekend at a spa, dammit.
I've got trans friends, and I'm glad to have as many as I do, knowing how so many of them don't make it through. But the attitude of the religious and the right wing, and even lots of people I know who should know better just have no empathy to the struggles these people have within themselves and with society and its expectations.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Wish more people on the other side were able to wrap their minds around this. Or at least make a good faith attempt to do so.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)IOW
They don't seem to get that transgender does not mean drag queen.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You might wear a funny looking dress and a nice hat on Sundays, but do you really need a fainting couch?
GeorgeGist
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Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Oh, man! And you were doing so well, Francis! Well we have some nice parting gifts for you.....
Liberalagogo
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Initech
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McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Ancient Rome had a cult to Cybele in which the lesser priests were literally castrated and then dressed and lived as women. The head of the cult was the only fertile male. Its traditions and customs were incorporated into the Catholic Church. In Catholic school, the nuns court the effeminate boys, favoring them over the more traditional boys, the same way they do the tomboy girls.
The whole Catholic clergy is all about gender issues. Got a gay, girly son? No problem! Make him a priest! Got a gay, tough daughter who can't stand boys! Send her to a nunnery!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No they don't.
As a costume designer I must point out that a cassock is not a dress any more than a bou bou or a kimono.
All those vestments are really just (fancy) clothes from the early years after the Fall of the Roman Empire (which may be worse than a dress 
)
Warpy
(111,367 posts)that I don't know how anyone can still take the Vatican seriously, especially since he's the "liberal" they've been waiting for.
Francis, children aren't being educated that way, they're telling their parents out of the blue when they're three or four that they're in the wrong kind of body. They're very definite about it and it doesn't go away by the time they're six or seven.
Other children are being taught to tolerate people who are different. That should be a good thing, even to you.
Get that, Francis? They're telling us about it years before they see any textbooks. You aren't expected to understand why this is so, you're just expected to accept it and stop dumping on little kids just because they're different.
FigTree
(347 posts)"Gregory writes the following in Latin, which is translated by Paul Halsall as:
There came forward at this Council a certain bishop who maintained that woman could not be included under the term 'man.' However, he accepted the reasoning of the other bishops and did not press his case, for the holy book of the Old Testament tells us that in the beginning, when God created man, 'Male and female he created them and called their name Adam,' which means earthly man; even so, he called the woman Eve, yet of both he used the word 'man.'[4]"
Have fun!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well.... he chose "neuter".
Religion is ridiculous!
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)mrsv
(209 posts)I'm no longer Catholic
rug
(82,333 posts)for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28
