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daleo

(21,317 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:14 PM Jul 2016

Machete attack in Germany leaves 1 dead, 2 injured

Source: CBC News

A 21-year-old Syrian refugee killed a woman with a machete and injured two other people on Sunday before being arrested in the southern German city of Reutlingen, a police spokesman said.

The asylum-seeking man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, he said.

The spokesman had no immediate information on when the man arrived in Germany, or when the previous incidents took place.

The assailant was apparently acting alone, the police official said. "There is no danger to anyone else at this time," he told Reuters.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germany-machete-syrian-refugee-reutlingen-1.3693084

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Machete attack in Germany leaves 1 dead, 2 injured (Original Post) daleo Jul 2016 OP
" involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people"? 7962 Jul 2016 #1
Yeah, I paused on that for quite a while. (n/t) SMC22307 Jul 2016 #2
+1 NWCorona Jul 2016 #12
Not terrorism Warpy Jul 2016 #4
islamic fundie who thinks women should obey men or be killed JI7 Jul 2016 #5
Likely to be exactly what was behind this story. nt 7962 Jul 2016 #8
More likely, he pinched somethiong from the kebab stand Warpy Jul 2016 #9
Sadly, it is darker than you had surmised... xocet Jul 2016 #43
yes. And soon we will hear there were supporters - regardless, why allow refugees in when they are MariaThinks Jul 2016 #18
That wasnt my point. The point is, heres a guy who has hurt people in the past, 7962 Jul 2016 #7
Maybe bar brawling Warpy Jul 2016 #11
We have the same type incidents happen in this country every day by doc03 Jul 2016 #16
And they should go to jail too. THIS guy is a non-citizen, 7962 Jul 2016 #27
it is enough. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #24
so it was irresponsible to accept the refugees in the first place MariaThinks Jul 2016 #19
Wow, pretty strawman! Warpy Jul 2016 #20
so was the comment i was responding to. the syrian refugees have caused way to much death and MariaThinks Jul 2016 #23
There is no way to properly vet all of the refugees and the bad guys know this NWCorona Jul 2016 #26
They're hardly "vetting" them at all. Many disappear before even being registered. 7962 Jul 2016 #29
Exactly NWCorona Jul 2016 #36
so then maybe refugees should be helped in some other way? it's incompetant to put citizens of a MariaThinks Jul 2016 #34
The question would be, When did he leave Syria? Igel Jul 2016 #44
Many others have left countries that arent at war. Its an excuse. 7962 Jul 2016 #45
Probably a sad story there no matter what happened Warpy Jul 2016 #46
I assume the gun laws are more strict in Germany. But in the USA he wouldn't of had any problems doc03 Jul 2016 #3
Making this incident not worth achknowledging? GummyBearz Jul 2016 #6
You know my point don't go off making up shit. doc03 Jul 2016 #14
Your point was a deflection from the OP GummyBearz Jul 2016 #17
What was the point of the op to say that Syrian refuges kill people with machettes, doc03 Jul 2016 #25
This is latest breaking news GummyBearz Jul 2016 #30
Shame on you doc Uponthegears Jul 2016 #32
What was done previously to this man regarding this qoute? NWCorona Jul 2016 #10
Must not offend anyone Democat Jul 2016 #13
This isn't the first time people accused of violence being let go. Crazy stuff NWCorona Jul 2016 #15
It happens in the USA every day nt doc03 Jul 2016 #21
And we should be outraged as well. Right? nt NWCorona Jul 2016 #22
He's one of Merkel's "guests" so I suppose they gave him a mulligan. NT Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #28
It was most likely in a shelter - they just move them generally. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #33
That was my thoughts as well but there has been cases of refugees NWCorona Jul 2016 #35
I know. Plus they don't know who's who Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #39
I hope the people of Germany run Merkel out of the country for bringing all of this chaos on them. romanic Jul 2016 #31
I said above; if this continues, Merkel will be out by year end. 7962 Jul 2016 #37
merkel needs to be replaced. her policy has allowed a lot of death in germany - it was well meaning MariaThinks Jul 2016 #40
If it were not for that question, I think she'd already be out. But that question Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #41
i agree. These 'refugees' have raped, killed, and murdered many, many people MariaThinks Jul 2016 #42
Senseless Rustyeye77 Jul 2016 #38
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
1. " involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people"?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

Yet he was still on the streets. And STILL being allowed to seek residency in Germany.
Merkel will be gone by year end if this shit continues

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
4. Not terrorism
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jul 2016

Just a kid who's known nothing but civil war. There's going to be a lot more of this type of shit, mostly in the Middle East.

"Witnesses said the attack happened after an argument developed between the man and the woman in the town of Reutlingen, near Stuttgart." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36879196

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
9. More likely, he pinched somethiong from the kebab stand
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jul 2016

where she worked and she objected to the theft.

Read the article. It's short.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
43. Sadly, it is darker than you had surmised...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

Here is an approximate translation:

Knife Attack in Reutlingen
Murder in the Open
By Christine Keck, July 24, 2016, 10:21 PM

...

On Sunday afternoon in the vicinity of the central bus station, a 21-year-old Syrian asylum-seeker (who was previously known to the police) and a 45-year-old Polish woman (both of whom worked at same small restaurant) got into an argument. The young Syrian attacked the woman in the open with an approximately 31-inch-long knife from the Turkish restaurant and fatally injured her.

...

(not translated - She was possibly four months pregnant, and there is mention of an argument over the telephone immediately prior to the murder.)

...

He described the attacker as a friendly guy who purportedly came alone to Germany from Aleppo a year and a half ago. At the restaurant, he supposedly fell in love with the woman whom he just killed. Alhelo stated, "She was from Poland and bussed tables here at the restaurant."


Messerangriff in Reutlingen
Bluttat auf offener Straße
Von Christine Keck 24. Juli 2016 - 22:21 Uhr

...

In der Nähe des Zentralen Omnibusbahnhofes sind am Sonntagnachmittag ein polizeibekannter 21-jähriger Asylbewerber und eine 45-jährige Polin, die im gleichen Imbiss gearbeitet hat, in einen Streit geraten. Der junge Syrer hat die Frau auf offener Straße mit einem rund 80 Zentimeter langen Messer aus dem türkischen Restaurant attackiert und tödlich verletzt.

...

Seit einigen Wochen habe er eine Freundin gehabt, seine Arbeitskollegin. „Ich glaube, sie war schwanger im vierten Monat“, so der Nachbar. Er habe sie jeden Tag mit in die Unterkunft gebracht. „Er hatte ein eigenes Zimmer, er war so gewalttätig.“ Seinen Körper habe er mit einer Rasierklinge geritzt, sagt Mohamad. Ein anderer Bewohner der Unterkunft erzählt, wie er den Syrer kurz vor der Tat am Busbahnhof aufgeregt hat telefonieren sehen: „Er war ganz rot im Gesicht und hat laut ins Telefon gesprochen.“

...

Er beschreibt den Täter als einen freundlichen Kerl, der vor eineinhalb Jahren allein aus Aleppo nach Deutschland gekommen sei. Er habe sich in dem Lokal in die Frau verliebt, die er nun getötet habe, sagt Alhelo. „Sie war Polin und hat bei uns das Geschirr abgeräumt.“

...

http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.bluttat-in-reutlingen-mann-toetet-kollegin-mit-messer.c608ae23-7aa9-47d3-bb56-6f6b986c2194.html

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
18. yes. And soon we will hear there were supporters - regardless, why allow refugees in when they are
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jul 2016

going to kill local citizens. Are the locals sacrifices?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
7. That wasnt my point. The point is, heres a guy who has hurt people in the past,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

yet he walks the streets and ends up KILLING a pregnant woman!! He should have at least been in jail, or better yet tossed back to Syria. But the government is afraid to do anything.
Incidents like this, terrorism or not, are what is going to cause the Germans, and probably the rest of Europe, to stand up and say "ENOUGH!!!"
Its just a question of how long and how many more incidents

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
11. Maybe bar brawling
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

where there was mutual damage.

I agree that he should have been looked at a little more closely.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
16. We have the same type incidents happen in this country every day by
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

good old born in the USA citizens.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
27. And they should go to jail too. THIS guy is a non-citizen,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

who has already hurt people in the past, and he still walks the streets instead of being sent back to Syria

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
23. so was the comment i was responding to. the syrian refugees have caused way to much death and
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016

destruction in their wake - as well as the rapes of women.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
29. They're hardly "vetting" them at all. Many disappear before even being registered.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jul 2016

Its a disaster and its going to get worse.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
34. so then maybe refugees should be helped in some other way? it's incompetant to put citizens of a
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

country at risk - as we are saying. I'm horrified of the pregnant woman that was murdered by a Syrian refugee.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
44. The question would be, When did he leave Syria?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

Because a lot of the refugees left Syria *before* the fighting got serious in their towns, and have been holed up in Jordan, Turkey, or Lebanon. For many, they were there for 3 or 4 years before they "fled war" and headed to Germany or other points in Europe.

Others toughed it out in-country until recently.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
45. Many others have left countries that arent at war. Its an excuse.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

And the EU has fallen for it

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
46. Probably a sad story there no matter what happened
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

and too many of these refugees have nothing to go back to but piles of rubble that's still being fought over.

With more information coming out, he looks like just another male who thought a woman owed him something. She didn't, so he killed her.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
3. I assume the gun laws are more strict in Germany. But in the USA he wouldn't of had any problems
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

getting a firearm and killing and injuring 10 times more people.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
6. Making this incident not worth achknowledging?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jul 2016

Murder by gun is bad. Murder by machete, isn't bad?

doc03

(35,348 posts)
14. You know my point don't go off making up shit.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jul 2016

Not saying only one death doesn't matter. The point is firearms laws are very strict in Germany and in this case it prevented a person that had mental issues from obtaining a far more deadly weapon and killing many more people. The same person in the USA could easily obtained an AR-15 with multiple 30 round magazines and killed dozens of people. I read some about the German law, you have to get a license to own a gun and in addition to background check you have to buy liability insurance and a secure storage box or safe. I think requiring a license to own a gun, requiring insurance and a safe is going too far. But I no problems with requiring a background check on all gun sales. Germany also limits magazine capacity to 10 rounds for shooting and only 2 rounds for hunting.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
17. Your point was a deflection from the OP
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

Attempting to change the subject from the news of the attack to gun laws. This isn't about gun laws... Make a new OP about gun laws instead of derailing this one about a machete attack

doc03

(35,348 posts)
25. What was the point of the op to say that Syrian refuges kill people with machettes,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jul 2016

so ban them from the USA?

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
30. This is latest breaking news
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

The point was dissiminate news. Then discuss that news. Not an unrelated topic. For example machetes in Germany are unrelated to guns in America.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
32. Shame on you doc
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016

Some people appear to think the OP was to open a door for some more Muslim-bashing. Didn't you notice how it quickly pivoted to fundamental Islam's treatment of women and Syrian refugees instead of the more salient issue of domestic violence?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
10. What was done previously to this man regarding this qoute?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

"The asylum-seeking man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, he said. "

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
33. It was most likely in a shelter - they just move them generally.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

I don't know that, but it is the most likely.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
35. That was my thoughts as well but there has been cases of refugees
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jul 2016

Attacking national Germans and only receiving "integration training" then let go. The idea being that some of these people have little concept of what's socially wrong.

I have friends in Germany and they are freaking out and if they say anything about it there's repercussions

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
39. I know. Plus they don't know who's who
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jul 2016

A lot of the young men aren't really refugees, it appears.

The axe-maniac who wanted to go to heaven appears to have been a Pakistani in his 20s, for example.

Who knows if this guy is a Syrian?

romanic

(2,841 posts)
31. I hope the people of Germany run Merkel out of the country for bringing all of this chaos on them.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jul 2016

Fuck her and fuck the laxing laws that allow scumbags like this to do whatever they want with protection.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
37. I said above; if this continues, Merkel will be out by year end.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

Then the fun begins; WHO would replace her & what would THEIR policies be?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
40. merkel needs to be replaced. her policy has allowed a lot of death in germany - it was well meaning
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016

but it's important to understand the facts and the risks and not subject the citizens of a country to them.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
41. If it were not for that question, I think she'd already be out. But that question
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016

has not been answered.

The German people are seeking a middle way.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
42. i agree. These 'refugees' have raped, killed, and murdered many, many people
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jul 2016

since being allowed to enter and be given an opportunity at a better life. If the 'bad applies' can't be identified, then the risk should have been weighed before the borders were opened.

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