Clinton campaign says Russia helping Trump

[riversedge]

Source: alan.com




Clinton campaign says Russia helping Trump

Posted by Alan | July 24, 2016 15:45 | Filed under: Politics

Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook says it’s not a coincidence that Russian hackers have leaked DNC emails.

It comes on the heels of “changes to the Republican platform to make it more pro-Russian,” Robby Mook told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” Sunday.
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The DNC has previously had its files hacked by an individual named “Guccifer 2.0” that may have had ties to the Russians.

Hackers stole opposition research on Donald Trump from the DNC’s servers in mid-June. Two separate Russian intelligence-linked cyberattack groups were both in the DNC’s networks.

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[hollowdweller]

1. I think so. The deleted Clinton emails will be dropped later

[AngryAmish]

39. The deleted emails are only yoga routines and wedding plans.

Why would they be a surprise?

[Dkc05]

2. Oh My!

Why doesn't the FBI investigate and expose Trump on his working with the Russians to create turmoil with the DNC emails. Trumps campaign dirty tricks is worst than watergate

[elmac]

9. The thing is

we haven't seen nothing yet, the real RW dirty tricks haven't even kicked in yet.

[sofa king]

26. Because it's potential espionage

It's one of the highest crimes in American law, with no statute of limitations. They're not going to damage a case of such seriousness for short-term political gain. Suddenly, this election has taken on a "Manchurian Candidate" pallor that is as frightening as it can get.

They will continue to build this case through the election, count on the current trend which suggests that Trump is headed for a cataclysmic loss, and never stop building the case against Trump until the public interest can be served.

If, on the other hand, Trump somehow wins this election, or is in danger of winning it, there is going to have to be an intervention of some sort which prevents a candidate operating in the interests of a foreign nation from taking office.

I have no idea what that would be, but we'll sure as hell know it when we see it.

[uhnope]

46. immediate impeachment, perhaps? n/t

[sofa king]

65. I rather doubt it.

An impeachment is ultimately a political gesture which, if conducted upon political lines, is not guaranteed to protect the national defense. This is a matter for specialist lawyers, and I have no idea how it would work, but now it's beginning to really bother me.

There are too many factors to consider for me to even guess. But some of them involve the fact that if a case is made, the powers of Commander-in-Chief would have to be temporarily removed from the office of the President, that the sitting President might have to be tried while in office, that the public is absolutely certain to misunderstand and that one faction of the media would automatically begin working directly against the interests of national security, and that a foreign nuclear power may be implicated, infinitely complicating matters.

And who, beyond the current Commander-in-Chief, would be in a position to lay out a course of action, meaning that the matter has to be completely in place before his successor takes office?

This is huge and frightening. If we pretend it is mere politics and treat it as such, the national interest is directly threatened. If we treat it with the seriousness it deserves, the opposition will cast it as an extra-Constitutional power-play.

This is how it can all end.

[MBS]

51. " " " " n/t

[runaway hero]

3. they need to stop complaining and clean up their operation

Hillary's emails = someone else, but not their faults.
DNC emails = Was about bernie, but not their faults.


If everyone else said you're wrong, why claim otherwise

[Democat]

4. Sounds like you're the only one complaining

About Clinton on a website called Democratic Underground.

Got anything bad to say about Trump?

[runaway hero]

6. Trump is a buffoon.

You got anything to say about the op, or are you okay with religious discrimination.



I'm glad DWS is gone, apparently you like mediocrity, I do not.

[denbot]

8. Snort..

1st rule, Do not feed..

[geek tragedy]

15. Why are you deflecting criticism of Trump and Putin? nt

[runaway hero]

31. Because a candidate was insulted for being an athiest

If this was about misogyny and Clinton you would not have made this post at all.

[geek tragedy]

34. One need not defend Trump to object to such rhetoric nt

[runaway hero]

35. This is not about trump for me.

DWS was a terrible leader and this is more confirmation. Or is this not her fault either? Nothing is.

[geek tragedy]

37. Separate subject. You're in this thread trying to deflect

criticism of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Odd and a bit unseemly.

[runaway hero]

41. This is a dodge

Emails came out and implicated DWS and others in a ridiculous smear campaign. If Russia had nothing to do with this, you would find some other reason to say it doesn't matter.

We all liked wikileaks before.

[geek tragedy]

44. No, the thread is about Clinton and Trump.

You are the one trying to derail criticism of Trump by changing the subject.

Wikileaks has always been an ally of Vladimir Putin. I've always detested the rapist Assange.

[runaway hero]

52. Doesn't matter

Your okay with stupidity from our side. I'm not. That's progressive, at all.

And calling assange a rapist when he has never been charged is stupid. Saying that about Bill would get you alerted and rightfully so.


What did you say in the initial DNC threads? The same thing probably


This is why nothing changes.

[tarheelsunc]

64. Bill's a Democrat. Julian Assange, not so much. eom

[msanthrope]

21. You seem concerned. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt

[runaway hero]

32. Be smarter about this.

I don't want any more leaks. Can we guarantee that?

[msanthrope]

38. Who cares? The primary is over, the Party is starting in Philly. Highly recommend ESP for a tour.

[MohRokTah]

45. So you like it that Putin is helping his puppet to win?????

[runaway hero]

53. this is why nothing changes.

[MohRokTah]

56. I agree, people ignore that Russia is attempting to put it's thumb on the scales for OUR election...

and nothing changes.

[runaway hero]

57. If saudi arabia had done this there would be silence.

fact is we need a house cleaning, and DWS leaving is a great start, otherwise hillary would have fought for here.


And she's getting nothing when Hillary becomes president either.

[MohRokTah]

58. I hope DWS becomes White House Chief of Staff. eom

[runaway hero]

62. yeah so she can ruin the first term with more leaks.

she should go lobby for insurance companies.

[elmac]

5. From Russia

with love

I think Putin has quite the man crush on Trump

[lark]

13. It's very mutual.

Sickeningly so!!

[uawchild]

7. Really?

Did her campaign manager really have to play the "putin-hacked-us card"? <--- Edit added here for clarity of thought.

It seems to be dragging them down to Trump's level, doesn't it?

Like there isn't enough proven facts to club tRump with?

I hope this isn't a sign that the campaign thinks Trump is doing better than what is publicly known.

[Democat]

10. "Play the Putin card"? Putin is attacking Clinton!

Do you prefer Democrats who sit back and get beaten without fighting back.

Putin and Trump would love for Clinton to say nothing.

Real Democrats want her to fight back and call them out.

Remember when Kerry decided to be the nice guy? How'd that work out?

[uawchild]

25. Should have been "putin-hacked-us card", sorry for my lack of clarity

My point is that making unsubstantiated claims that Putin hacked the DNC and gave the info to tRump just serves to degrade the campaign. It's sinking down to the looney-tune tRump level of discourse.

there are PLENTY of real and PROVEn Trump connections to shady Russian figures to discuss instead.

Thank you for pointing out my lack of clarity.

[geek tragedy]

16. Trump is inappropriately close to Putin, politically, financially,

and temperamentally. That is fair game.

[uawchild]

20. Absolutely correct.

Talk about those PROVEN Trump connections, not unsubstantiated claims about hacking.

I edited my first post for clarity of thought. It's the unsubstantiated accusation that Russia is hacking the DNC and giving info to tRump that I feel is degrading to the campaign.

Thanks for helping me to clear up any misunderstanding on that.

[sufrommich]

11. They're right.nt

[lark]

12. 1 dictator and a dictator wanna-be making common ground.

Notice how drumpf is always so goo-goo eyed when he talks about Putin?

[Kathy M]

14. yes ..... agree . Besides their platform

one has to look at all the players on Rep side combined with the ones that are behind the scenes and their connections to Russia . This campaign is going to be nasty ..... one we have not seen in long time . Think of a combination of Nixon / Regan .

Honestly would love to know on separate topic how many of Sander protesters are going to be true Sander supporters or plants . Cause in the end if Philadelphia gets a little out of hand , it will play right into republican hands with Clevleand being so peaceful .

[Hortensis]

17. Very interesting, but I think it's a mistake to

muddle the Trump-Russia scandal with defense of the DNC e-mails.

The Trump-Russia scandal should be huge all by itself, not confused in people's minds with what is really a small story of limited interest about the content of the leaked DNC e-mails.

[L. Coyote]

24. Unless the connections are as interesting as the rest. The Swiftboat Admiral is back.

Worry about Trump's politico goons and their past behavior. This is an important read:::::

The Quiet American

Paul Manafort made a career out of stealthily reinventing the world’s nastiest tyrants as noble defenders of freedom. Getting Donald Trump elected will be a cinch.

Just in case people don't understand what is going on in the background and the sort of characters who are running Trump as the neo-Bush puppet President, here a classic example how these ratfuckers operate:

Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

L. Coyote Jun-10-07
48. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem

There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.

Who exactly did the hack and for whom? Who runs the troll army trying to divide the Dems? Who are the ratfuckers? As if we need to ask!

[Hortensis]

27. Oh, absolutely! Horrifying and fascinating, these

connections should be huge. Thanks for posting this.

That's the point I was making, though: The DWS-Bernie "connection" doesn't belong in these stories. Certainly not in a story about Putin's influence on the Republican Party and its nominee and plotting to put Trump in the oval office. It would only give right wing propagandists a means to confuse and frustrate additional people into turning away.

[misterhighwasted]

63. Wiki dumped the DNC data as soon as the Trump/Putin association became a hot news topic

Putin's international organized crime bosses are doing damage control & desperately covering their tracks by suddenly shifting the news away from them.
Someone turned on the lightswitch & the roaches can't run fast enough.
This is espionage.
The DNC insiders were possibly made aware earlier than any of us, of some inkling of this threat. Perhaps this was the reason for their private discussions.

The lines between all the dots will be connected to reveal a foreign and domestic coup against the US of A.
Trump has opened that door..

[L. Coyote]

66. Fifty percent of the Western USA is public land, they want all the oil and minerals.

Reminds me of the USSR. This isn't something new, it has been going on for quite a while. Drill baby, drill.

[misterhighwasted]

67. Oh yes. They certainly are after the public lands. And when you look at the Russian model,

this just drips with greed.
Bet they've already got it all divided up & ready to move in the rigs on Trump's first day as Prez.

With Saudi's fields getting shallow, Putin & pals are dead set on being the next Super OPEC. Damn!

[Plucketeer]

18. HEY! They're cheating too!

That's not FAIR!!!

[runaway hero]

33. I'm saying...

[L. Coyote]

19. I bet Russia didn't help delete Melania's and McIver's emails!

Unless, of course, Melania and McIver don't know about computers and email yet.

We're supposed to believe they did transcription over the telephone? Donald, release the emails first, then your taxes.

[RapSoDee]

22. Republicans & their Russian Comrades Vs. America

Why do the Republicans and the Russians hate America?

[SunSeeker]

23. K & R for exposure.

[liberal N proud]

28. This isn't going away

[Dkc05]

29. We need to hit the reset button

No sarcasm intended

[uhnope]

47. Putin threw that button under a tank n/t

[retrowire]

30. sounds like conjecture nt

[Kathy M]

36. just wanted to add

If anyone checks on Manaforts background ( just through a google ) it will have articles of the dictators he has helped get elected

"Manafort’s international consulting career grew out of turmoil on Reagan’s 1980 campaign. A trio of young operatives had been working together in Reagan’s political shop — Manafort as convention director, Charlie Black as field director and Roger Stone as director of the Southern operation"

"Rollins, who is now running a super PAC supporting Trump, said in an interview with POLITICO that, as soon as he got back to Washington, he asked Bay Buchanan, who served as treasurer of all three of Reagan’s presidential campaigns, whether there was any chance that foreign money had made its way into the campaign’s coffers. “Absolutely not,” Rollins recalls her saying. (Buchanan says she doesn’t recall this conversation)."

whole article http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 there are other articles that list the dictators manafort works on .

The stop trump / never trump yes I believe there is some / alot are but ..... how many have been made up ? To make a diversion and show ? How many honestly believe there will be a large number of republicans staying home in Nov ?? Heck no they wont . But yet there is a diversion on democratic side ..... find it kinda fishy .. do not like this kind of election

[jtuck004]

61. " do not like this kind of election" < Just a note - they are ALL this kind of election. These are

pretty mild compared to older ones. There used to be a lot more bloodshed, although such things appear to be making a comeback.

There are lots of things that are not as they appear out there.

[Kathy M]

68. Yes , agree with you

is a shame and disservice elections cannot be run above board , honest , respectful of one another and no one gets hurt . Probably will never happen that way ...... so I go back to my little bubble and wishful thinking

[NWCorona]

40. Just like Isreal (Netanyahu) worked against Obama in favor of Romney

It doesn't change this mess tho

[runaway hero]

42. Exactly.

Like it makes the anger of bernie voters less real.

[wisteria]

43. Yes. You know Outin doesn't like this current administration or Clinton.

Putin is playing games to help Trump the idiot.

[The Second Stone]

48. Trump is the Moscowian candidate

and it needs to be clear to the public that is what is going on.

[Tactical Peek]

49. COMSYMP/PENCE 2016

[Dawson Leery]

50. Democrats may be talking more Reagan than the GOP did

this week.

Trump is scum. I didn't think he would be worse than Cruz. He is far worse.

[runaway hero]

55. Cruz is still worse.

His 2020 campaign will be worse than this, you watch.

[Kathy M]

60. Agree . I remember Cruz in interview after the fathers story broke

(probably a planted story at that ) . That " Trump is the ultimate insider " ....... Cruz dropped out within a day . Republican team that is leading and contributing to election are among the worst of the worst .

[Iliyah]

54. It is obvious!

[Mister Twilight]

59. Then there's this:

Putin’s Puppet

On Wedenesday, Donald Trump told the New York Times that he would not necessarily come to the aid of NATO states threatened by Russia and would make his decision to defend them from an attack after reviewing whether they “have fulfilled their obligations to us.” It was the latest statement from Trump that was likely greeted with delight in the Kremlin. Earlier this month, Franklin Foer wrote on the frightening ways in which Trump seems to be playing right into Vladimir Putin's plans for destabilizing the West.​

Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the West—and that plan looks a lot like Donald Trump. Over the past decade, Russia has boosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France, well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive. Such largesse also wended its way to the former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, who profited “personally and handsomely” from Russian energy deals, as an American ambassador to Rome once put it. (Berlusconi also shared a 240-year-old bottle of Crimean wine with Putin and apparently makes ample use of a bed gifted to him by the Russian president.)

There’s a clear pattern: Putin runs stealth efforts on behalf of politicians who rail against the European Union and want to push away from NATO. He’s been a patron of Golden Dawn in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, and Jobbik in Hungary. Joe Biden warned about this effort last year in a speech at the Brookings Institution: “President Putin sees such political forces as useful tools to be manipulated, to create cracks in the European body politic which he can then exploit.” Ruptures that will likely multiply after Brexit—a campaign Russia’s many propaganda organs bombastically promoted.

The destruction of Europe is a grandiose objective; so is the weakening of the United States. Until recently, Putin has only focused glancing attention on American elections. Then along came the Republican nominee.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/vladimir_putin_has_a_plan_for_destroying_the_west_and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html

[riversedge]

69. yes. I have read that. Scary stuff.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

70. You really have to watch the trump show as though it is a weekly tv series to get an idea of what

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it's all about. If you remember, not sure which episode back there, Christie when he was campaigning for himself,( if he was ever really on the campaign trail for himself), he went on a tirade about jumping into the ring with Putin ,Christie yelling and yammering (I'll do it ,I'll do it, I'll do it. )
Christie said when I draw my jersey red line in the sand, if Putin cross's it ,I'll do it, meaning he'll bomb them.At that time you really had to wonder if Christie actually believed in himself as a candidate even for as much as 2 % of the time.



If you were to wonder what kind of position Christie would serve a twisted Trump ,it would be man servant with the label chief of staff.But of course that will never come into a happening. Trump figures all he need do is surround himself with bad people so he can make himself out to seem like a good guy . After all, it's all for show.
See, th er's The Donald :



And here's his golf cart:



! They all must be prepared to fall on their swords ! Christie excepts that.
It may be that Christie during his mock indictment skit where he opened it up to the audience saying, let's have some fun, he proved his willingness to fall on that sword .After all as a former U.S. prosecutor and one who still holds his badge as an officer of the court,certainly he has proven himself to be a man with absolutely no professional ethics what so ever. Although he may still have as much as a 2% chance at privet practice. That or the door man at Trump tower.!

Trump thinks he can make good deals with Putin, and if it don't work out,well, Christie has his ear. He'll do it. Thing of it is, he's done,quite forked actually.

[Odin2005]

71. Trump is the Manchurian Candidate?