Congress Releases Secret 9/11 Document Detailing Possible Saudi Ties to Al Qaeda.
Source: nyt
Congress on Friday made public a long-classified document detailing possible connections between the Saudi government and the Sept. 11 terrorist plot.
The 28-page document is a wide-ranging catalog of alleged links between Saudi officials and Qaeda operatives, from contacts that Saudi operatives in Southern California had with the hijackers to a telephone number found on the first Qaeda prisoner in C.I.A. custody that the F.B.I. traced to a corporation managing a Colorado home of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
The document, a section of a 2002 congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11 attacks, has been kept secret out of concern that it might fray diplomatic relations between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Its release marks the end of a yearslong fight by lawmakers and families of the Sept. 11 victims to make public any evidence that the kingdom might have played a role in the attacks.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/28-pages-saudi-arabia-september-11.html?
First sentence- (from snooper's post)
Finding- While in the United States, some of the September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support and assistance from, individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government.
http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf
BadGimp
(4,015 posts)90-percent
(6,829 posts)Nice to see the drip drip drip that will get to the bottom of the Iraq GWB Cheney lies.
They really eviscerated the Iraq war in England recently. Tony B. may be in really hot water soon. How quaint the British might actually hold their leaders to account.
-90% Jimmy
elleng
(130,956 posts)and I especially 'enjoyed' watching part of their 'hearing' in Parliament. They do so well, discussing things! Was on C-Span one early morning.
Botany
(70,512 posts)People should be in jail for this crap.
gohuskies
(1,156 posts)It would not be a surprise to find out that Cheney's neoconservative hoodlums were in cahoots with the Saudi royal family to use 9/11 as a pretext to overthrow Saddam and to plunder Iraqi oil reserves. I also think history will show that the chaos and cancerous terroristic world we live in today is rooted in their deadly sctions. It also cemented support for the puppet Shrub's presidency in the wake of the stolen 2000 election. I know it sounds like wacky conspiracy theories but I can't help connecting all these dots.
tblue37
(65,393 posts)Hours after a commercial plane struck the Pentagon on September 11 2001 the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was issuing rapid orders to his aides to look for evidence of Iraqi involvement, according to notes taken by one of them.
"Hard to get good case. Need to move swiftly," the notes say. "Near term target needs - go massive - sweep it all up, things related and not."
SNIP
"The secretary said his instinct was to hit Saddam Hussein at the same time, not only Bin Laden. . . .
The actual notes suggest a focus on Saddam. "Best info fast. Judge whether good enough [to] hit SH at same time - not only UBL [Pentagon shorthand for Usama/Osama bin Laden]," the notes say. "Tasks. Jim Haynes [Pentagon lawyer] to talk with PW [probably Paul Wolfowitz, then Mr Rumsfeld's deputy] for additional support ... connection with UBL" <emphasis added>.
SNIP
Raster
(20,998 posts)And if the absolute truth be told, there was no valid, lawful reason to attack Iraq the first time in "The Gulf War." In fact, high-level emissaries from Hussein and the Iraq government specifically asked US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, how the United States "felt" about Iraq invading Kuwait to punish them for stealing Iraq's oil via side drilling. Glaspie responded:
"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
When these purported transcripts were made public, Glaspie was accused of having given tacit approval for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which took place on August 2, 1990. It was argued that Glaspie's statements that "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts" and that "the Kuwait issue is not associated with America" were interpreted by Saddam as giving free rein to handle his disputes with Kuwait as he saw fit. It was also argued that Saddam would not have invaded Kuwait had he been given an explicit warning that such an invasion would be met with force by the United States. Journalist Edward Mortimer wrote in the New York Review of Books in November 1990:
"It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait, but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law."
In September 1990, a pair of British journalists confronted Glaspie with the transcript of her meeting with Saddam Hussein, to which she replied that "Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."
Oops-a-doodle.
Let me sum it up: Yes, Sadam Hussein was a nasty dictatorial son-of-a-bitch, but HE WAS OUR nasty dictatorial son-of-a-bitch. Hussein ended up being a "judas goat" for the ambitions of Bush 1 and Bush* 2, and their petroleum buddies.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Or did Bandar fuck his chums over?
Either way, they should be held accountable. After all the Benghazi shit, maybe the Clinton admin should reopen 911 including putting Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Bandar under oath.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)2nd the number could be explained away since he was the ambassador to the US at the time and its not inconceivable that someone from that country might some links to him in some way.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Congress could request but he isnt under any obligation to obey them.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)After taking Saudi money?
Loki
(3,825 posts)We have ALL "taken Saudi money" or at least profited from the results of it. If you've ever driven a car, flown in an airplane, taken the train or used anything with petroleum products, you are responsible for using what Saudi sells and that's oil. But with a Republican held congress, you can be safe in the knowledge that nothing will ever be done, it will never happen and the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld troika will never be held accountable, ever. To think that there are those out there that are just now realizing the Saudi connection to 9/11 makes me sick to my stomach. Propaganda works when you think that a majority of people still think that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
lark
(23,103 posts)A lot of people don't but as soon as Bush took office, within the first month, he passed a rule that no Saudi citizen could be stopped from entering the US, even if he (she?) was on a terror watch list. Hmm, why did he do that? Had he, Cheney, Bandar and the binLadens worked out all the details ahead of time and knew this was key to getting their guys in here to kill Americans, and make Bush a "war" president? That's my theory. There's lots of evidence from 9/11 that also makes no sense unless this was planned within. Like, the std. is for planes to be up and defending the nation within 15 seconds, yet hours later the terrorists were still flying and nothing was done. Like the fact that Bush's commander that let him go AWOL for 18 month was made the head of the area that protects the White House so he'd be sure to make sure that our planes let this happen. Like the fact that Bush kept reading to children when the US was under siege. Another glaring discrepancy, steel doesn't melt the way it was described in the Twin Towers. There's lots more, but you get my drift. Yes, I know lots of people think this is total tin hat territory, but the facts do not add up to the story we've been given. This is just more proof of the conspiracy. Bush and Cheney should be in jail.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)She more than anyone should know giving Republicans a pass is a favor that will NOT be repaid.
Frankly, after a year or two of GOP obstruction, Obama should have said, "What the hell," and turned the Justice Department loose on them.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)underpants
(182,826 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)I think they will hope that most of America will be unaware of this.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Of 2001? Otherwise known as the hostile takeover of Iraqi National Oil. We can thank Fat Tony Scalia for keeping that info secret.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)no legitimate reason to refuse to atleast release some of the details of that meeting and failure to do so smells more and more like a coverup.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Is that "possible" enough for ya?
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Why? Because they could have been picked because it might just simply have been easier for them to get into the US instead of someone say for example from Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and have special diplomatic status. I'm hoping this is changing.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Glad we're so concerned about the Saudi Arabians.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I'm hoping to extricate them as much as possible from our business until they clean up their horrible country.
jbeing
(171 posts)Didn't they just threaten to destroy the US economy (selling all their Treasury bonds or something) if the 28 pages were released?
This whole thing smells like camel dung in a Lamborghini.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)No surprise, it has substantial portions redacted. The real meat is still under bars of black ink.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)as an New Jersey Aircraft Technician at United Airlines, 15 years and 8 months ago.
But, I want to know along with the families of those that were killed /murdered 2,989, jumping from towers, and dying in the infernos of a plane that I worked on in the PA country side or the obliterated buildings in five block downturn area, and then having over 4685 Americans soldiers that died based on a lie, why, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Yoo, Wolfowitz and others in that administration, (and agents of a foreign government) knowingly, while sitting down and reading a book about a pet goat, should not be in jail under the war crimes act and indicted for murder, while willfully dismissing intelligence briefings that a "crime" was about to be committed, with people knowing this was going to happen from agents that may be connected to a foreign government called Saudi Arabia
There is no statue of limitations on murder, or conspiracy to commit murder, what am I missing here, there are two sets of law books and a different Constitution to be used, and has always been used since 1973
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)The division that I worked for had extensive interests, machinery, and materials in the jet engine rebuilding business. We were laid off (14/100) due to "an anticipated downturn in the aircraft business".
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)we were making comments about the security around the AOA area on the flight line, what was going on with the EL AL aircraft parked on the ramp, there was over 7,000+ people laid off from both American and United after the crime was committed.
What is really galling besides the unwanted murders is the effects of people losing there jobs, retirements, benefits, the trickle down effect, and then when the court appointed criminals left, they got there tenure.
I hope you found another field or you were called back
I understand completely we used your products a lot
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)Given a lousy reference, Access to company E-mail blocked after I had the nerve to ask for references at all. I clung on to employment as a temp, Moldmaker in a urethane shop, Mr fixit, machine builder for a composites outfit, repair machining, automation builder. Being canned after 18 years is like having "Damaged Goods" tattooed on your forehead.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)after a lot of us got laid off.
Continental went on a hiring spree and was grabbing up those that got hit, because of the experience level and the training to be in compliance for the maintenance log books, because all the requirement is that you take the company FAA approved class, and you were good to go, but you had to start over, lower pay , and new seniority requirements, like the old adage, first one in last one out.
But then as the years started adding up, we get phone calls that if we wanted to come back under the Continental agreement with the merged airline of United, we had to start over, because they were using the contract of (Continental) because our United contract was better.
Then if you said no, they United/ Continental started putting out requisitions to hire new people off the streets, they would not recall the United technicians because of our seniority and benefits and recall rights, they were adamant on keeping the costs down, so a lot of us sat there watching and seeing new hires come off the street, just because the NEW United also known as Continental with just a new logo on the tail, was not going to recall United IAM/AMFA Contract FAA Aircraft Technicians, nope wasn't going to happen.
So after 15 years and six months I get a letter for recall, (recently retired 65) after a new contract proposal (Teamsters) not IAM or AMFA) of basically throwing individuals that had time /seniority, benefits from United under the bus, for a bonus, and eliminating the old United Contract , that said that we could be recalled into perpetuity, but under the Continental - Teamster contract, if you don't get recalled, they take you off the list after ten years----see ya, don't let the door hit you in the a**and trying to get anyone from the better United protected contract off that recall list.
Now remember, when we, the technicians and pilots took over the management just to get Steve Wolf out has CEO, we became an ESOP company, worth at that time in assets and route structure worth over 2.5 to 3 billion, (so we gave up some things to BUY the company, to get rid of Wolf and his team) and then after 9/11, Wall Street saw an advantage (cut funding), public wasn't going to fly United or American because of the asinine policy of security at that time, having contract workers doing whatever they were doing at the airports, United file for bankruptcy and a lot of us lost our ESOP, and then we got a railroad guy by the name of Tillman, who liked to cut costs and do what a railroad person does, not knowing how to run an airline.
So we are now in the present-------------------and I am retired, and I have just got to thank George W. Bush and his criminal enterprise and the Saudi Government and there agents, they committed murder on innocent people, they murdered thousands of soldiers, and we have spent trillions and still counting based on a lie, and thousand of workers in this country lost jobs, and we are now have a situation in the world that was in my opinion the base of operation of what is happening in Orlando, France, Brussels, the Philippines, and wherever crimes are being committed with murder, and in this country everyone in that administration (Bush) cannot travel over seas, and the government with the newly released transcripts saying what it is saying in those 28 pages, are not be held accountable, while at the same time the law and order hypocrites in the republican party want to declare war on murders of innocent people and keep a military post open in Cuba, costing us more in blood and money
My Rant, my history
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)Most of us really gave a shit, and beleived in what we did. We were proud of what we did, and who we did it for. Up until the Praxair takeover, then it was all about kissing up to stuningly incompetent jerks. That, I am NO good at. A guy name d Greg Bowron, from their "safety" department, could not answer a simple direct question without resorting to gibberish. His underlings could'nt even do gibberish.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)they flew out the Bin Laudin family during no fly zone
Our Congress hid vital information from the public and sanctioned illegal action against Iraq
the Iraq War was a lie and everybody knows it .....news media and others can hide it all they want
but the people are all aware of what happened
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forest444
(5,902 posts)But as much punishment we may want to dole out to them in our imaginations, the nuclear option is categorically out of the question. I'm sure you'd agree.
Besides, sanctions are almost as harmful - especially to an utterly oil-dependent autocracy like theirs. We could reduce their G20 economy into an isolated, North Korea-sized basket case in a decade if we really wanted to.
forest444
(5,902 posts)As the Romans always said when starting any investigation: Cui bono - who benefits?
PSPS
(13,600 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)Let's move on.
Did you see Kim has a new ass pic on the inter web?
Let's all go look at that!
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