California police video shows fatal shooting of 19-year-old

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

California police video shows fatal shooting of 19-year-old

Scott Smith, Associated Press

Updated 11:50 pm, Wednesday, July 13, 2016



FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Fresno police on Wednesday released body-camera video of officers fatally shooting a 19-year-old man who ignored repeated commands to stand still and show his hands.

At a news conference, Chief Jerry Dyer acknowledged the video is gruesome, but he said it was important for the public to see. He said he prays it won't spark violence amid simmering anti-police sentiment in Fresno and elsewhere.

"Tensions are high," Dyer said. "In some cases we are one spark away from a forest fire. And I pray this video doesn't serve as that spark ... This is not a time to become violent."

The June 25 video shows officers, who were looking for a man with a rifle, pulling over Dylan Noble, who got out of his truck and walked away from and then toward two officers.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/California-police-video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-8376945.php

[busterbrown]

1. NRA?

This is Democracy and our 2nd amendment at work!

WTF did I just say? Becoming numb to all conversation.

[brush]

2. Too many cops are idiots who can't seem to get in their minds that reaching for the gun . . .

is not the only way to get control of a situation.

[cstanleytech]

3. In this case though they repeatedly gave him directions which he failed to properly follow so unless

the other officers camera shows something else they apparently followed proper procedure as outlined here http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/how_police_are_trained_to_deal.html
Scroll down to the section that starts with "How to do it right" and if your thinking that they should have tried to tackle him or go Chuck Norris on him to subdue him via hand to hand I will point out there no where in there does it recommend an officer put themselves at risk and try that.

[Craig234]

4. We need less lethal options

Do taze him, bro?

[cstanleytech]

6. Tazers have their own risks as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use

[Craig234]

14. They're a lot less deadly than the gun, what was your point?

[cstanleytech]

15. Simply that tazers can be deadly as well. nt

[LanternWaste]

53. As can rubber-band pistols.

As can rubber-band pistols.

[cstanleytech]

54. Yup but regardless what is used by the police when it leads to the death of someone

people will still complain and say the police shouldnt be using x on someone and they should have handled it differently.

[billhicks76]

12. Are You A Cop?

You're on every thread defending police shootings. I remember a time when people didn't get shot for any of this behavior. Cops now are armed much more and are more intimidating yet they are so scared they shoot at any movement? We saw the same with dogs. They used to never get shot. Then cops realized they never got in trouble for it and next thing you know they are killing chihuahuas and beagles and claiming in fear for their lives. Unbelievable. We are worse than 3rd world countries now.

[cstanleytech]

16. Nope I am not and no I am not on every thread so you can check your paranoia at the door.

[billhicks76]

37. Legitimate Question

What. You don't think cops comment online also? You don't think some are democrats? Many are. I know lots of good ones. Amd they don't agree with what's going down in this country. You seemed overly sympathetic to ANY cop killing so I thought I'd ask.

[brush]

22. I watched the video. There were SEVERAL cops there . . .

against one guy. Shooting the guy was not the only option.

There needs to be better training. They outnumbered the guy at least 4 to 1. Someone has to have enough brains to figure out how to deescalate instead of escalating it.

Even one cop on the video is heard saying at least they had a canine unit there. They didn't use the dog, they didn't use their tazer. All they could think of was to shoot. It was pretty obvious that the guy was not operating with all his faculties. That many cops should have been able to overpower one guy.

It's like they have video game mentality, like they can shoot someone and it has no consequence, like they don't get, or don't care, that shooting someone can be final, a life can be lost.

Where does that callous attitude come from? They're dealing with human lives. Their training has to be better.

It was just horribly inhumane to create such an arbitrary situation for the guy to stop or be killed when the cops lives were not in danger.

[cstanleytech]

24. I agree that most police officers need better training

but in this case I am not so sure thats the problem since they appeared to have done what they were supposed to in handling such a situation atleast if this article is correct in how they are supposed to deal with suspects where is explains how they are supposed to do it right http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/how_police_are_trained_to_deal.html

[406-Boz]

27. The penalty for walking away froma a cop is death, summary execution?

Insane!

[brush]

35. Absolutely insane. And what is up with all these posters defending killing the guy?

Is this a progressive site with supposedly enlighten people here?

[cstanleytech]

41. "Is this a progressive site" Nope.

Its a site of Democrats of which means we all have have different views and opinions, if you want a march in lockstep progressive site you are going to have to look elsewhere.

[brush]

44. Democrats are normally against police brutality in plain sight on videos

[cstanleytech]

49. Yes they are, this doesnt look to be such a case though. nt

[cstanleytech]

40. Odd, the video I watched had the kid coming towards the cops with his right hand hidden behind his

back not walking away from them.

[brush]

47. So? 4 or more cops and a canine unit and they can't figure anything eise to do but kill him.

Nobody there could figure out anything but to shoot.

How inhumane.

What non-thinking, non-problem solving, unwilling to de-escalate, trigger-happy police stupidity.

We all saw the video. That guy could have been contained without killing him.

[cstanleytech]

48. So? So boz said "The penalty for walking way". which isnt what happened in that video at all.

[angrychair]

32. Nothing but excuses

Your statement is absurd:

no where in there does it recommend an officer put themselves at risk and try that.

Are you kidding me? Yes their job is risky but it's their job. That job carries its own set of risks and more importantly, a responsibility, to serve and protect citizens.
You rationale gives them complete levity in regards to the use of deadly force. Far to often, some officers, use it as shortcut to resolution and not the "last page of the manual" as it supposed to be. Any untrained idiot with a gun can roam around shooting "bad guys". There are trained police officers in a dozen plus countries that go their entire career and never carry a gun as part of their normal day-to-day job duties. Police in the US will shoot more people today than every European nation, combined, in a decade.
This isn't some Judge Dredd dystopia. Police are there to enforce the law and not to be judge, jury and executioner.

[brush]

36. Preach! Good stuff.

[Starry Messenger]

5. I'm in Ireland at the moment.

I saw 5 Garda take a screaming man out of a Tesco mini shop in a subdue hold and bring him to the van. No one had a gun and no one died.

[cstanleytech]

7. Yes but Ireland also has better gun laws as well.

[Judi Lynn]

9. OMG, They coulda all been killed! Thanks for your reminder there is a more honorable way to live. nt

[Doctor_J]

42. in Ireland the police can be 99% sure the perp doesn't have a gun

here there is no such protection

[7Inches]

8. In Fresno

You can rape a 16 year old and become the police chief.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/08/14/18656104.php

[Judi Lynn]

10. The land of opportunity! You betcha.

[center] [/center]
"God has forgiven me, my wife has forgiven me...." Bless his slimy heart.

Welcome to DU.

[lapfog_1]

18. This article confused me

Last edited Thu Jul 14, 2016, 07:23 AM - Edit history (1)

It states (written in 2010) that Dyer is 42 in 2010.

It also states that he was Dyer was 26 in 1985 when he allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl.

Both statements cannot be true.

"Dyer , 42, would not discuss the alleged sexual relationship when he was interviewed Thursday by The Bee."

2010 - 42 = 1968

"The girl turned 16 in 1985. Dyer was 26 that year, married and working as a Fresno police officer."

1985 - 26 = 1959

I can't tell from his photo if he is either 42 or 51 years old in 2010. If he was really 42, then he would have been 17 or 18 in 1985, not 26.

[7Inches]

19. Dyer was born

In 1959

[cstanleytech]

25. No, the article was written in 2001 the petition was from 2010. nt

[reddread]

21. your (another cop) sister's son can be busted for drug dealing

and your #2 in the department as well.
BIG TIME drug connecting "favors"

you can measure the crooked in this town
by how long this clown holds his job.

[Akicita]

30. How can you be held responsible for what your nephew does?

I have a nephew who has been in trouble too. I never knew I was somehow culpable for it.

[reddread]

38. a cloud of illegal drug activity closely surrounds him, yet he suffers no scrutiny

obviously, the cop mother had no idea.
right?
Im not sure how you get the idea I was blaming him directly.
there are so many amazing stories around this guy, people always latch
onto the 17 year old and fail to see the real picture.
maybe if the over the top sexism and racism he has publicly displayed would merit concern?

[angrychair]

33. Hold on

You may want to find a better source article. In the beginning of the current one it says it happened in the "mid 1980's" and gives his age as "42".
That would make him a teenager at best.

The article later says he was "26 in 1985" which would make 57, not 42.

[tblue37]

11. That one sounds like suicide by cop. nt

[melman]

13. Link to the video

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article89498062.html

[cstanleytech]

17. That looks like a different body cam than the one I saw as

the one I watched was darker and I couldnt tell for certain on it if the kid had one hand behind his back in that video but this one its pretty clear he did which was stupid as hell especially when you keep coming toward someone with a gun after being told to stop and get on the ground.

[reddread]

20. because a 19 year old may just be a cop killer

the massive percentage of mentally ill or emotionally depressed people the cops need to kill to keep themselves
safe is just the cost of doing business in a police state.
just call the FPD Suicide Help Line.

[brush]

23. So inhumane. Four or more cops there plus a canine unit and they can't figure out . . .

how to handle the situation without killing the guy.

What horrible thinking. There needs to better training to instill in these guys brains that shooting someone is not the first, and not the only thing to do.

None of those cops were in danger. The guy was the one in danger from the cops.

[Akicita]

31. The cops were not in danger? The guy is 20ft. away approaching the cops and put his hand behind his

Back like he may be reaching for a gun in his waistband. What kind of idiot would reach behind his back with cops pointing guns at him?
Doesn't make any sense unless he was attempting suicide.

[brush]

34. Or he was having mental problems. The fact remains that 4 or more cops and . . .

canine unit should be able figure out how to handle the situation without killing him.

What are they all idiots and can't think? Like flank the guy on both sides and rear to see if he actual has anything behind his back, keeping a safe distance of course. There were several cruisers there for cover.

Why have the canine unit there and not use him? Send the dog after him.

Working on any job requires thought and problem solving. They had a problem on the scene. Figure it out. Think of how to deescalate the situation without having to kill the guy.

And they even shot the guy while he was already down and on the ground.

Just horrible, unthinking shooting, like they get off like that.

[cstanleytech]

26. Sadly, yes any 19 year old is a potential killer and its sad the kid didnt listen to them and was

killed but it is it what it is.

[melman]

28. They didn't have to shoot him when he was on the ground

Even the chief said had questions about that. Seems totally excessive to me.

[Rex]

46. Some folks are okay with summary executions.

I don't know how they justify it, but it is what it is.

[Blue_Adept]

29. We've got two-year-olds killing with guns

Of course a 19 year old is going to be even worse.

I'm just waiting until the cops kill an armed toddler.

[reddread]

39. your compassion is showing

just kidding.
working with a 19 year old who went to school with the deceased I can tell you they
arent particularly dangerous compared to cops with guns.
but cops with guns, using them to kill 19 year olds and mentally ill/depressed/suicidal people is ok.
guns for the average joe, bad?

you dont see a truck sized hole there?

[DLevine]

43. Cowards. nt

[Cosmocat]

50. The shots to put him down were legit

as you noted, because he had his arm behind him in a manner to indicate he might have a gun, and he was walking toward them.

He was not a threat when he was down and the shots after that were unnecessary.

[cstanleytech]

51. And that part of it they might face discipline for and I have no problem with that

at all if they would.

[cstanleytech]

55. Slight update I found this link to provide some additional information to clarify why they

shot him again once he was down.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/video-is-released-in-police-shooting-of-dylan-noble-in-fresno.html

“Drop whatever you have in your hand!” an officer calls out. Mr. Noble advances, and says: “I hate my life,” using a vulgarity, just before the first two shots are fired. He falls to the ground.

While on his back, Mr. Noble’s arms move near his waistband and shirt, and the officers tell him to stop reaching or he will be shot again. Two more shots are fired.

The first two shots were fired from a handgun by one of the officers who pulled over Mr. Noble’s truck. When Mr. Noble was on the ground, that officer fired once more, and another, who had arrived at the scene as backup, fired once from a shotgun, Steve Wright, the assistant district attorney, said in a telephone interview."


Its really tragic

[reddread]

56. my goodness

if they havent gotten your attention by the third shot,
that's on you.

[Rex]

45. Cops murder people for failing to follow orders, this is just another example.

They don't seem to care about the persons life, they just care about following orders. Growing up I don't remember cops being this chicken shit-roid crazy, I guess everything really did change after 9-11.

Poor kid, he deserved better.

[reddread]

57. If killing an unarmed person for any reason is OK

what difference does the color of their skin make?

[Rex]

58. Dunno you tell me. Did someone bring that up?

[reddread]

59. yes

me.

[Vilis Veritas]

52. "I f'ing hate my life..." Bang!

Suicide by cop. I watched it twice. Go ahead watch it, tell me I did not hear that...

Don't these guys have tasers?