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struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:32 PM Jun 2012

Bradley Manning lawyers accuse prosecutors of misleading judge

Source: The Guardian

In a motion ahead of Monday's pre-trial hearing, civilian lawyer says prosecutors are still denying defence access to documents
Ed Pilkington in New York
guardian.co.uk
Sunday 24 June 2012 09.19 EDT

... The dispute relates to an investigation by the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, Oncix, into the damage caused by the WikiLeaks disclosures of hundreds of thousands of confidential documents ...

"It was abundantly clear that Oncix had some form of inquiry into the harm from the leaks – but the government switched definitions around arbitrarily so as to avoid disclosing this discovery to the defence."

On 21 March, the prosecutors told the court that "Oncix has not produced any interim or final damage assessment" into WikiLeaks ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/24/bradley-manning-lawyers-accuse-prosecutors

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/24/bradley-manning-lawyers-accuse-prosecutors

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Bradley Manning lawyers accuse prosecutors of misleading judge (Original Post) struggle4progress Jun 2012 OP
Already a thread on this clang1 Jun 2012 #1
Looking over the immediately prior LBN thread on Manning, namely, struggle4progress Jun 2012 #2
I didn't see any dupes either. riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #3
Thought it was sort of obvious what the deal was clang1 Jun 2012 #4
LIARS. TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES IN AMERICA clang1 Jun 2012 #5
Actually, the OP is about the sort of defense Manning intends: namely, struggle4progress Jun 2012 #6
 

clang1

(884 posts)
1. Already a thread on this
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Empty suits and show trials.


In matters of justice in America, and not only in Manning's case either, why do we tolerate this sort of behavior from the prosecution side of the courts? Why? Why do we tolerate injustice to achieve justice? Something is wrong with this picture to me. It reeks of rightwing stench. I could do a Google search and get 1000 hits back on situations like this. I think it is contemptible and it makes me wonder what is justice to these people, proving their case no matter what the cost, or the truth? Which is it? It's immoral, not justice, and wrong.












An automaton (plural: automata or automatons) is a self-operating machine. The word is sometimes used to describe an old-fashioned robot, more specifically an autonomous robot.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
2. Looking over the immediately prior LBN thread on Manning, namely,
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jun 2012

Saturday's

Bradley Manning’s Defense Moves to Temporarily Suspend Court Martial - FDL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002847951

and the link to the 2 June defense motion referenced by the FDL article, it's my impression that the Guardian article is about another defense motion, other than the 2 June motion referenced by FDL

 

clang1

(884 posts)
5. LIARS. TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES IN AMERICA
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:13 AM
Jun 2012

Last edited Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:07 AM - Edit history (5)

THIS POST IS ABOUT HISTORY AND RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD. WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN TWO EYES TODAY. IT IS ALSO ABOUT TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES.


IT PERTAINS TO BOTH JULIAN ASSANGE AND BRADLEY MANNING. IT IS ABOUT THE BOTH OF THEM AND THEIR TORMENTORS.


MORAL COWARDICE IS WHY ALL THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

People NEED to Learn, to do the Right Things. SIMPLE.
Those that CHOOSE Not to do this, are Not on the Side of Justice, in ANYTHING.

They have Neither Good Morals, or Values. And They will Not HELP those of US that Do, Anyway. Pick your Friends WISELY.

I would Accept Julian Assange or Manning as a Friends Anyday. They HAVE Good Morals and Values. The ENTIRE World SEES This.

So it is TRUE. The WORLD, DOES NOT LIE. It is Politicians and Dictators who Lie. I Listen to Everything, and I know what is Wrong and What is Right. If MORE People Did, it Would be a MUCH Better World than what it is NOW. I see this Everyday in Fact. It is how the World works when you do Not do what is Right. Everything is like that in the World.

COMMON SENSE SAYS: WHO WOULD TRUST A PROVEN TORTURER?

ASSANGE will make NO DEALS. He is TOO MORAL, to do that. AND He does NOT NEED TO MAKE DEALS. HE HAS MORALS, WHY SHOULD HE? WHO MAKES DEALS WITH EVIL? THE SMART MAN DOES NOT IN MY BOOK. THAT WOULD BE LIKE MAKING A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL. WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNS OUT.



ASSANGE WILL NOT SURRENDER OR MAKE DEALS, HE HAS COMMON SENSE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT.

THE QUESTIONS THAT THE WORLD IS ASKING ARE ABOUT MORALS AND VALUES TOO. THE MORALS AND VALUES OF TORTURERS.
IT IS NOT ASSANGES MORALS THE WORLD QUESTIONS...IT IS THOSE WHO HAVE NO MORAL OR VALUES THAT THE WORLD IS TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT.

PEOPLE IN AMERICA NEED TO QUESTION THIS LACK OF MORALITY AS WELL. MY QUESTION IS: WHY IS THIS FILTH A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT? OF ANY GOVERNMENT FOR THAT MATTER? I THINK THE WORLD ASKS THIS AS WELL... I HEAR IT ASKING THIS.

WHY AREN'T MORE AMERICANS ASKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT ARE THEIR MORALS AND VALUES? ARE THEY AMERICAN ONES? OR SOMETHING ELSE? ...

ALL OF THIS IS UN-AMERICAN. PERIOD.

POLITICS DO NOT DEFINE AMERICA. MORALS AND VALUES DEFINE AMERICA.


CONSIDER THESE PEOPLES MORALS....TO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD CITIZENS IN AMERICA BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DIFFERENCE. THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AMERICA DID UNDERSTAND THIS....AMERICANS NEED TO LEARN THIS AGAIN.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO BE BASED ON GOOD MORALS AND VALUES TOO.

WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LEADERSHIP IS BASED UPON ONLY POLITICS. IT IS USUALLY DISASTER THAT RESULTS IN THE END. AFTER ALL, 9-11 HAPPENED. IT IS THE FAULT OF THE LEADERS. THEY CAUSED IT. PERIOD.

THESE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE OF THE LEADERS, THEY OWN THEM, THEY CREATED THEM AFTER ALL. NOT THE PEOPLE.
ANYONE THAT TRIES TO EMBELLISH THIS TRUTH IS EITHER A LIAR, IGRNORANT, OR A PROPAGANDIST. PERIOD.



ANYONE THAT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE HERE, NEEDS TO ONLY CONSIDER THE WORDS IN BOLD TO SEE WHAT THE REALITY IS.



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UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT TODAY MANNING, WIKILEAKS AND ASSANGE AND HISTORY.


THE WOLF IS ALWAYS THE WOLF. THAT IS NATURE.


NATURE DOES NOT REGRESS, IT EVOLVES. UNDERSTAND.


Wolves do not evolve into better things...and they ALWAYS need to EAT. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IN NATURE.


That is what is happening here... The Wolf does not become something better....it's ORIGIN is still that of a WOLF.

That is the WORLD.

People need to look around, and pick up a book or two. We need more than books right now.



PFC MANNING SITS IN THE SAME PLACE AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAT. HISTORY OF MAN REPEATS ITSELF WHEN IT IS ALLOWED TO DO SO. IT ALWAYS DOES WHEN THERE IS NO JUSTICE AND CORRUPTION.

The Falcon and the Snowman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falcon_and_the_Snowman


The Falcon and the Snowman is based on the true story of former altar boy and former Catholic seminary student Christopher Boyce and fellow former altar boy turned drug dealer Andrew Daulton Lee, two young men from wealthy California families who sold classified government information to the Soviet Union during the mid 1970s.


--WHAT DID THEY EXPOSE? CIA CORRUPTION IN AUSTRALIA. AUSTRALIAN ELECTIONS. INTERFERENCE.


THINK OF THIS INSANITY.......NOW PEOPLE LIKE MURDOCH AND HIS FOX NEWS HELP CORRODE OUR OWN DEMOCRACY...





DO PEOPLE HERE TRUST THESE MEN? OR THE WAY THAT THE WORLD WORKS? I SIDE WITH WHAT I SEE OF THE WORLD. NOT WHAT SOMEONE TELLS ME TO SEE.


HISTORY HAS REPEATED ITSELF. WHY IS FOX AND MURDOCH ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS? THAN NATURE EVEN? THEY ARE NOT GOD!!!!! THEY ARE THE WOLF AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE WOLF. SEE IT.


THERE MUST BE JUSTICE FOR ASSANGE AND MANNING. OTHERWISE MORE INNOCENT MEN GO TO PRISONS FOR THE CRIME OF REPORTING TORTURERS AND MURDERERS.

ELSE HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF YET AGAIN...IT MUST STOP.



It is all just insane. BUT NORMAL. IT IS THE CURRENT NATURE OF THINGS UNLESS PEOPLE CHANGE THEM. IT IS OUR WORLD AFTER ALL.


PEOPLE MUST MAKE THE PROPER CHOICES. ASSANGE IS MAKING THE PROPER CHOICES.



SNAKES DO NOT CHANGE ON THEIR OWN EITHER. PERIOD. AND THERE ARE SNAKES INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE GIVEN TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS CHANGE AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

THERE MUST BE JUSTICE. NO MORE HISTORY. WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES




PEOPLE HERE IN AMERICA ALSO BETTER LOOK AT WHY MURDOCH WILL SOON BE COMING HERE WITH HIS BILLIONS....

Rupert Murdoch snubs Britain and says he will invest his billions in the US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154894


CONSIDER EVERYTHING IN THIS BUSINESS. ALWAYS CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY OR OUTCOME. IMAGINE EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT IS. JUST THINK.

IF ANYTHING, CONSIDER THE IRONY OF ALL THIS....IT IS SICKENING.

WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF FASCISM AND AUSTRALIA (CIA), NOW AN AUSTRALIAN AND FASCISM IN AMERICA (MURDOCH)

PEOPLE ALREADY IN PRISON IN THE 1960S FOR EXPOSING SIMILAR CRIMES, THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN FACT.

MANNING IN PRISON AND TORTURED FOR EXPOSING SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN 2009.


WIKILEAKS....


HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.

WE NEED TO CHOP THE HEAD OFF OF THIS SNAKE....PERIOD. OTHERWISE IT WILL CONTINUE TO KILL PEOPLE.


WHEN DO WE KILL THIS SNAKE, ONCE AND FOR ALL, THAT POISONS OUR COUNTRY AND OUR DEMOCRACY. IT ALSO POISONS OTHER COUNTRIES. IT MUST STOP.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.


KNOW YOUR HISTORY AND CURRENT EVENTS. DO NOT LET PROPAGANDISTS LIE TO YOU. I SEE IT HAPPEN ACROSS AMERICA. I SEE IT HERE ON THIS BOARD EVEN IN SOME PEOPLE...THEY ARE PROPAGANDISTS TOO, THEY SPREAD MISINFORMATION, THEY MEAN TO DECEIVE SAME AS KNOWN TORTURERS ALWAYS DECEIVE. IGNORE THEM. THEY DO NOT LIKE JUSTICE ANYWAY AND WE ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY LIKE. JUSTICE REALLY DOES NOT CARE WHAT THEY LIKE EITHER, IT IS JUSTICE. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THE WORLD DOES. WE KNOW ALL OF THE PARTIES IN THESE AFFAIRS. PERIOD.


NEVER LET A FOOL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES IN THE WORLD. FOOLS LIE, OR PERHAPS THEY JUST DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER ANYWAY...EITHER WAY. SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, LEARN HISTORY, AND TODAY MAKES MORE SENSE THEN.

YOU WILL THEN UNDERSTAND WHY ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA. PERIOD. NOT UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE. PERIOD. THERE ARE TORTURERS AND MURDERERS STILL WALKING FREE IN AMERICA THAT ARE TIED TO THESE EVENTS. THEY WANT ASSANGE TOO. THE WORLD CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THERE MUST BE TRUTH AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

IN THE REAL WORLD, ALWAYS CONSIDER HISTORY AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU. PERIOD.



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THIS MAN WAS ONE OF MY TEACHERS AND MY LEADER AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE. HE WAS A SMART MAN AND I AM GLAD THAT HE TAUGHT ME. THIS POST IS WRITTEN WITH HIM IN MIND:

CSM JAMES (STACY) ADAMS

"Unanswered Questions About a Military Leader's Sudden Death"

James Stacy "Rock" Adams, the senior enlisted leader of the scandal-scarred 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion


http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_052504_Galland,00.html


THIS MAN WAS A LEADER. AND HE WAS MORAL. HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS JUST. I LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. AND I THANK HIM FOR TEACHING ME WHAT HE DID.

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JUSTICE:

I KNOW ALL THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED. AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS. I LIVE IN IT. AND I KNOW WHEN I SEE EVIL. AND I SEE IT. THIS ENTIRE AFFAIR REEKS OF IT. IT HAS THAT STENCH TO IT.

TORTURE IS MORAL COWARDICE.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE FIRST. DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THIS IS VIA SWEDEN, ENGLAND, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

SAME FOR MANNING IN PRISON RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE NO MORAL AUTHORITY TO TRY HIM. THEY ARE MORAL COWARDS. IT MAKES NO SENSE THEY THEY CAN JUDGE HIM BECAUSE A MORAL COWARD JUDGES NOTHING CORRECTLY. MORAL COWARDS HAVE NO SENSE OF JUSTICE. AND THESE ARE ALL MORAL COWARDS.

IT IS WHAT THEY ARE. AND IT IS WHAT THE WORLD SEES. IT IS WHAT I SEE WITH MY OWN TWO EYES. SO IT IS TRUE.

PERIOD. I KNOW WHAT A COWARD IS. AND THESE ARE ALL COWARDS.



















Meanwhile.....The Progression continues......

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
6. Actually, the OP is about the sort of defense Manning intends: namely,
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:47 AM
Jun 2012
"Well, yeah, I did release a slew of documents I wasn't supposed to, but I wasn't feelin good at the time, and I don't think anybody really got hurt, so how about we all just say 'Aw, shucks! boys will be boys!' and forget the whole thing, eh?"
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