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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:48 PM Jul 2016

1 Ukrainian Soldier Killed, 7 Wounded in Battle; Villagers, OSCE Observers Blocked

Source: The Interpreter

One Ukrainian soldier has been killed and seven wounded in the Donbass, as Kiev reports 35 attacks by Russian-backed fighters yesterday.

According to Colonel Andriy Lysenko, military spokesman for the Presidential Administration, the casualties were incurred as a result of fighting outside Mayorsk, north of Gorlovka, and shelling attacks on Avdeyevka, north of Donetsk.

In addition, Vladimir Moroz, head of the Maryinka district administration, reported on his Facebook page this morning that a civilian woman was wounded yesterday by enemy gunfire in the Ukrainian-held town of Krasnogorovka, west of Donetsk.

Read more: http://www.interpretermag.com/day-840/



An Invasion By Any Other Name: The Kremlin’s Dirty War in Ukraine
http://www.interpretermag.com/an-invasion-by-any-other-name-the-kremlins-dirty-war-in-ukraine/
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1 Ukrainian Soldier Killed, 7 Wounded in Battle; Villagers, OSCE Observers Blocked (Original Post) uhnope Jul 2016 OP
k+r Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #1
It's been pretty stable. Igel Jul 2016 #2
Forgot a disclaimer: "BROUGHT TO YOU BY RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY" newthinking Jul 2016 #3
That is absolute, utter RUBBISH lanlady Jul 2016 #4
oh yah??? what side installed a neo nazi infested government? AntiBank Jul 2016 #6
What neo Nazis are you talking about? lanlady Jul 2016 #19
here you go AntiBank Jul 2016 #22
What an Amazing fact filled post uawchild Jul 2016 #27
Wars are so heavily narrated particularly since the IRAQ war newthinking Jul 2016 #7
To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004 newthinking Jul 2016 #8
Oh, for Pete's sake lanlady Jul 2016 #20
Because I know the country and the parties newthinking Jul 2016 #23
pure rot... see my extensive post above AntiBank Jul 2016 #24
I don't think they are bothering to actually read up on it newthinking Jul 2016 #26
+100 AntiBank Jul 2016 #25
Know your NeoCons: The Kagans - A Family Business of Perpetual War newthinking Jul 2016 #10
Still letting bias outweigh rational thought, eh? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #16
So you rebut based on your bias without specifics newthinking Jul 2016 #17
And they have what to do with the situation in Ukraine today? lanlady Jul 2016 #21
LOL! Odin2005 Jul 2016 #13
BOGUS source (not surprising for this poster) The Interpreter is Neocon Michael Weiss's rag AntiBank Jul 2016 #5
Thanks. Many liberals are unaware that the Neocons are still in action. They just newthinking Jul 2016 #9
you're still BH after being caught supporting actual white nationalist forum websites uhnope Jul 2016 #11
bullshit circular reasoning. all you do is repost your bilge and then AntiBank Jul 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #14
thanks. I agree uhnope Jul 2016 #15
So you are saying that a ally to signatories to the "Project for a New American Century" newthinking Jul 2016 #18

Igel

(35,317 posts)
2. It's been pretty stable.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jul 2016

By "stable" I mean low-levels of shelling and rifle fire, the occasional soldier killed every few days.

Nobody cares. The Russians don't report deaths because that would be bad, but they do report the malicious and horrible (return) fire from the Ukrainian side. The Ukrainians try to report both, because their own deaths are newsworthy but also because some of the Russians are known to those on the Ukr side.

I suspect they're also hopeful of publicizing Russian deaths because that might have a bit of agitprop value, either to DNRovtsy or to those inside Russia, but that misses an important point. Dead Ukrainians with no Russians killed is the natural order of things, that is the baseline for "fair". If Russians die, that's just wrong, it's not "fair," and must be revenged, even if in battle.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
3. Forgot a disclaimer: "BROUGHT TO YOU BY RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY"
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

and was created specifically to place the Ukrainian view (Narrative).

(CAPS is cut/paste from the website)

At this point it is only Ukraine who is not finishing the peace process and it is the far right in Ukraine that keep pushing for more war and have allowed their forces to continue bombing the East.

Russia WANTS the East to be reunited (though not under the gun and fear). Because if the east can vote then the current government will be out. Of course the current government understands this as well thus why the war continues.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
4. That is absolute, utter RUBBISH
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

Russia sent mercenaries, terrorists, snipers, saboteurs and its regular forces into eastern Ukraine for the express purpose of destabilizing the country after ordinary people led an peaceful revolt against their corrupt and kleptocratic leader, Viktor Yanukovuch, an ally of Putin's. THe Russian attack on Ukraine was completely unprovoked and carried out with evil intent. Thousands of Ukrainians have died at the hands of Putin's minions. Russia's intent is to DIVIDE Ukraine, not "reunite" it. Where on earth did you pick up that bit of astonishing disinformation?

You can repeat all the mendacious pro-Moscow propaganda in the world, but none of it changes the facts. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin could end his war in Ukraine with one phone call. It is not in his interest to do so because he does not want to see democratic institutions take root in Ukraine, as they did in the Baltic states. He is a putrid little man and an enemy of democratic values. Please wise up.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
6. oh yah??? what side installed a neo nazi infested government?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jul 2016

Hint... it wasn't Russia. But you knew that. This entire Ukrainian sham is all about one thing. NATO US, and EU encirclement of Russia. It's pure and dangerous empiric military projection.

I cannot believe the RW hawk bilge posted on here.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
19. What neo Nazis are you talking about?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jul 2016

The president of Ukraine is a businessman who makes chocolate.
Would you care to name the names of these Ukrainian neo-Nazis you rail against? Do you speak a word of Russian or Ukrainian, do you read a single newspaper from Ukraine, do you know any Ukrainians at all? Do you even know where Ukraine is? Because I suspect you are just spouting a lot of idiotic nonsense.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
22. here you go
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

I am in the EU, I know a lot of Ukrainians, I have been there (Kiev for Euro 2012) when Andriy Shevchenko, aging though he was, single handedly beat our Swedish side 2-1, plus 2 other games, a loss to England and a win over France, but we got knocked out. All that irrelevant shit aside, you damn knew there are neo nazis all over, especially in the western part of the country (Lviv is the epicentre for the Bandera cult) and also in the government. Poroshenko (Porky, lol) is a corrupt (Panama Papers for proof) stooge, btw, a toady of Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland. Same for the recently US-slapped-aside Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government


http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/18/yes-there-are-bad-guys-in-the-ukrainian-government/


Ukraine is home to Svoboda, arguably Europe’s most influential far-right movement today. (In the photo above, Svoboda activists seize a Ministry of Agriculture building during Kiev’s Euromaidan protests in January.) Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok is on record complaining that his country is controlled by a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia," while his deputy derided the Ukrainian-born film star Mila Kunis as a "dirty Jewess." In Svoboda’s eyes, gays are perverts and black people unfit to represent the nation at Eurovision, lest viewers come away thinking Ukraine is somewhere besides Uganda.

Svoboda began life in the mid-90s as the Social-National Party (a name deliberately redolent of the National Socialist Party, better known as Nazis), with its logo the fascist Wolfsangel. In 2004, the party gave itself an unobjectionable new name (Svoboda means "Freedom&quot and canned the Nazi imagery, and in the subsequent decade has seen its star swiftly rise.

Today, Svoboda holds a larger chunk of its nation’s ministries (nearly a quarter, including the prized defense portfolio) than any other far-right party on the continent. Ukraine’s deputy prime minister represents Svoboda (the smaller, even more extreme "Right Sector" coalition fills the deputy National Security Council chair), as does the prosecutor general and the deputy chair of parliament — where the party is the fourth-largest. And Svoboda’s fresh faces are scarcely different from the old: one of its freshmen members of parliament is the founder of the "Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre" and has hailed the Holocaust as a "bright period" in human history.



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The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html


The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine’s nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. facilitated the anti-Russian cabal’s rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West’s sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine’s new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes.

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Yet after simply Googling the terms “Ukraine” and “Neo-Nazi,” the official position of the United States government along with the stance taken by many in the American media both now seem quite dubious, if not downright ridiculous, especially considering that one would be hard-pressed to machinate the lineup that now dominates Ukraine’s ministry posts.

For starters, Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies.”

The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda, who believes that women should “lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including refraining from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company.” This is the philosophy underlying one of his “legal initiatives,” according to the Kyiv Post, “to ban all abortions, even for pregnancies that occurred during rape.”

The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism.”


According to this BBC news clip two Svoboda parliamentarians in recent weeks posed for photos while “brandishing well-known far right numerology,” including the numbers 88 — the eighth letter of the alphabet — signifying “HH,” as in “Heil Hitler.” This all makes Hillary Clinton’s recent comments comparing Putin to Hitler appear patently absurd, as Stanley adeptly points out: “After all, in the eyes of many ethnic Russians, it is the Ukrainian nationalists — not Putin — who are the Nazis.”

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Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Imperative

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/20/ukraines-neo-nazi-imperative/

Exclusive: The mainstream U.S. news media is flooding the American people with one-sided propaganda on Ukraine, rewriting the narrative to leave out the key role of neo-Nazis and insisting on a “group think” that exceeds even the misguided consensus on Iraq’s WMD, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

After the Feb. 22 coup in Ukraine spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias European and U.S. diplomats pushed for a quick formation of a new government out of fear that otherwise these far-right ultra-nationalists would be left in total control, one of those diplomats told me. The comment again underscores the inconvenient truth of what happened in Ukraine: neo-Nazis were at the forefront of the Kiev coup that ousted elected President Viktor Yanukovych, a reality that the U.S. government and news media have been relentlessly trying to cover up.

Although real-time reports from the scene in February chronicled armed and organized militias associated with the neo-Nazi Svoboda party and the Right Sektor attacking police with firebombs and light weapons, that information soon became a threat to the Western propaganda theme that Yanukovych fled simply because peaceful protesters occupied the Maidan square. So, the more troubling history soon disappeared into the memory hole, dismissed as “Russian propaganda.” The focus of the biased U.S. news media is now on the anti-Kiev militants in the Russian-ethnic areas of eastern Ukraine who have rejected the authority of the coup regime and are insisting on regional autonomy.

The new drumbeat in the U.S. press is that those militants must disarm in line with last week’s agreement in Geneva involving the United States, European Union, Russia and the “transitional” Ukrainian government. As for those inconvenient neo-Nazi militias, they have been incorporated into a paramilitary “National Guard” and deployed to the east to conduct an “anti-terrorist” campaign against the eastern Ukrainian protesters, ethnic Russians whom the neo-Nazis despise. The new role for the neo-Nazi militias was announced last week by Andriy Parubiy, head of the Ukrainian National Security Council, who declared on Twitter, “Reserve unit of National Guard formed #Maidan Self-defense volunteers was sent to the front line this morning.”

Parubiy is himself a well-known neo-Nazi, who founded the Social-National Party of Ukraine in 1991. The party blended radical Ukrainian nationalism with neo-Nazi symbols. Parubiy also formed a paramilitary spinoff, the Patriots of Ukraine, and defended the awarding of the title, “Hero of Ukraine,” to World War II Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, whose own paramilitary forces exterminated thousands of Jews and Poles in pursuit of a racially pure Ukraine. In the hasty structuring of the post-coup government in February, part of the compromise with the ascendant neo-Nazis was to give them control of four ministries, including Parubiy in the key position heading national security. To give him loyal and motivated forces to strike at the pro-Russian east, he incorporated many of the storm troopers from his Maidan force into the National Guard.


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'Prepared to Die': The Right Wing's Role in Ukrainian Protests

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-sliding-towards-civil-war-in-wake-of-tough-new-laws-a-945742.html

Svoboda member Myroshnychenko is likewise not a fan of Klitschko. His development as a politician is moving "rather slowly," he says sarcastically. "I don't think that he can take over leadership of the opposition, much less leadership of the aggressive Maidan." What he doesn't say is that his own party is also a problem for the opposition alliance. Svoboda has joined the revolt, but it rejects certain human and minority rights. With 10 percent support, Svoboda is the fourth-strongest group in parliament. Klitschko and the Tymoshenko party need its backing. Plus, the party is a key player in the protests. But Klitschko plays down Svoboda's right-wing stance. "We have different ideologies, but two things connect us," Klitschko says. "We are fighting against those in power today and we want European values for our country."

Flirting with the Right Wing

The Svoboda party also has excellent ties to Europe, but they are different from the ones that Klischko might prefer. It is allied with France's right-wing Front National and with the Italian neo-fascist group Fiamma Tricolore. But when it comes to the oppression of homosexuality, representative Myroshnychenko is very close to Russian President Vladimir Putin, even if he does all he can to counter Moscow's influence in his country. "The EU is the only possibility for us to defend ourselves against Russian pressure," he says. He and his party see the alliance with Klitschko as being purely tactical. Klitschko, after all, would like to limit the powers of the president while Svoboda dreams of a country with a strong leader.

Myroshnychenko was press spokesman for the Ukrainian national football team in the lead up to the 2008 European Championships, but he isn't exactly cosmopolitan. He would even like to see foreign professional football players deported because they "change Ukraine's ethnic map." There have been other, similar incidents. In a 2012 debate over the Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis, he said that she wasn't Ukrainian, rather she was a "Jewess." Indeed, anti-Semitism is part of the extremist party's platform; until 2004, they called themselves the Social-National Party of Ukraine in an intentional reference to Adolf Hitler's National Socialist party. Just last summer, a prominent leader of party youth was distributing texts from Nazi propaganda head Joseph Goebbels translated into Ukrainian.

Without the nationalists' tight organization, the revolt on Maidan Square would long since have collapsed. But Svoboda also embodies the greatest danger to the protest movement. The party's foot soldiers, with their muddled, right wing doctrine, aren't likely to hold back for much longer.

And that might be what the president is waiting for.

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Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists
Kiev throws paramilitaries – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle with rebels


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html


But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming. The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

The Azov battalion uses the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf''s Hook) symbol on its banner (Tom Parfitt)
“Personally, I’m a Nazi,” said “Phantom”, a 23-year-old former lawyer at the ceremony wearing camouflage and holding a Kalashnikov. “I don’t hate any other nationalities but I believe each nation should have its own country.” He added: “We have one idea: to liberate our land from terrorists.”


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A former history student and amateur boxer, Mr Biletsky is also head of an extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” The battalion itself is founded on right wing views, the commander said in Urzuf, and no Nazi convictions could exclude a recruit. “The most important thing is being a good fighter and a good brother so that we can trust each other,” he said.

Interestingly, many of the men in the battalion are Russians from eastern Ukraine who wear masks because they fear their relatives in rebel-controlled areas could be persecuted if their identities are revealed. Phantom said he was such a Russian but that he was opposed to Moscow supporting “terrorists” in his homeland: “I volunteered and all I demanded was a gun and the possibility to defend my country.” Asked about his Nazi sympathies, he said: “After the First World World War, Germany was a total mess and Hitler rebuilt it: he built houses and roads, put in telephone lines, and created jobs. I respect that.” Homosexuality is a mental illness and the scale of the Holocaust “is a big question”, he added.



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UKRAINE’S NEW SPEAKER OF PARLIAMENT IS A NEO-NAZI

https://shadowproof.com/2016/04/21/ukraines-new-speaker-of-parliament-is-neo-nazi/

So much for plausible deniability. While apologists and propagandists for the government in Kiev have tried their best to dismiss concerns about the government’s connection to neo-fascist movements, the jig is undeniably up.

The new speaker of the Ukrainian parliament, Andriy Parubiy, is a longtime neo-Nazi activist who was a founder of the national socialist party of Ukraine. The party was recently renamed Svoboda which, along with many neofascists, has seen its political fortunes rise in the wake of the 2014 US-backed coup.

Parubiy played a significant role in the coup, serving as commandant of the Euromaidan, where he and other neo-fascists helped violently overthrow the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych. The armed battles with security forces in Kiev were carried out by many people, who would later join the right wing militias that would fight in the Ukraine Civil War.

The new post-coup president, Petro Poroshenko, brought Parubiy into government as Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, where Parubiy oversaw the brutal campaign in east Ukraine to put down Russian-backed separatists. The war on east Ukraine had limited success and Parubiy resigned before the government in Kiev agreed to a ceasefire.

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Ukraine’s far-right menace
A bloody divorce between the Ukrainian government and the country’s ultranationalist groups could be in the offing.

http://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-far-right-menace-radical-militants-ultranationalists/

Ukraine’s regular army, weakened by decades of corruption and neglect, suffered defeat after humiliating defeat at the hands of the rebels. The only ones who seemed capable of holding their own on the battlefield were the newly-formed far right militias such as Azov, Aidar and Right Sector.

These battalions distinguished themselves by fighting in the hottest engagements and suppressing further secession attempts in government-controlled regions; as a result, they grew, in size and popularity. Their commanders were elected to Ukraine’s parliament, their units deployed to hold critical hotspots along the frontline. What began as neo-Nazi street gangs evolved into the best fighters in the country.

The fact that the far right has fought alongside Kiev’s moderates creates the false impression that the two are united. They are not: in truth, the only thing uniting them is a common enemy. Kiev and the ultranationalists are both fighting Russian-backed separatists, but they’re fighting for two very different visions of Ukraine’s future.

On July 3, 3,000 ultranationalists took to the streets of Kiev, chanting “one nation, one race – that is Ukraine.” This sentiment was echoed by SNA leader Andriy Biletsky, who stated that his group’s mission is “to lead the white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival.”

Biletsky, a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament, is also the commander of the Azov Battalion, which has been described as “openly neo-Nazi” by the New York Times and banned from receiving American military training by the U.S. Congress.
Members of both the battalions and their political parties have publicly declared that their organizations have no interest in integrating with the EU (which they consider “degenerate”), or decentralization of power, or equal rights. One nation, one race — that is Ukraine.



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The Ukraine: Neo-Nazi criminal state looming in the centre of Europe

http://www.voltairenet.org/article182329.html

On February 22, militants and terrorists of the Euromaidan Parliament executed a neo-Nazi coup using armed force, violating all norms of the Constitution, international law, and trampling European values. Washington and Brussels - who told the world that Euromaidan is a nonviolent action of the Ukrainian people - instigated a Nazi coup to serve the geopolitical interests of the West, facilitated de facto by the weak-kneed stance of the Yanukovych government.

After signing a void agreement on “crisis settlement” on Friday, the situation in the Ukraine has rapidly got out of control of it signatories and “witnesses”. No provisions of this document were fulfilled. The legitimate authorities fled (or tried to flee) the country, the governmental buildings in Kiev are taken by the revolutionary mob. The radicals are dictating the new rules to façade opposition “leaders” who desperately try to bridle the Maidan.

What happened to the Ukraine on February 22, 2014 is essentially a criminal coup committed by the radical armed anarchists and Ukrainian Nazis who have been enjoying a comprehensive financial, military, diplomatic and even religious support and instigation from the Western power groups for the last two decades. Many of the Ukraine’s cities are now falling into the chaos of lootings, unprovoked violence, lynch law and political repressions.

The first signs of upcoming chaos were clearly seen as the Ukrainian authorities wavered at the three-month siege of the centre of Kiev by the radical guerrilla elements from Galicia and local criminal gangs. They watched silently when furious fanatics were burning unarmed riot police Berkut officers alive, lynching them and pulling out their eyes. They did nothing to stop frantic “freedom fighters” from storming regional administrations, humiliating the officials and looting police and military arsenals in the West Ukraine. They were paralyzed when unidentified snipers were cold-bloodily killing militia personnel, protesters and casual passersby from the roofs of Kiev’s buildings. They even declared amnesty (twice!) to those guilty of the brutal crimes against policemen and public order. Thus Yanukovych’s regime itself paved the way for a sinister ghost of the war-torn Libya to come to Ukraine. Is the guerrilla side a self-organized and self-indoctrinated popular movement tired of a corrupt and inefficient state? That is hardly the case.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the international power groups have invested billions of the Federal Reserve notes (aka US$) into Ukrainian “pro-democratic” NGOs and politicians. While preaching “Ukrainian commitment to the European choice and democratic values” in the meantime they clearly saw that there is no short-term historical perspective for making Ukraine a state hostile to Russia, which is evidently the final goal of the globalist Eastern policy. The stakes were placed on the ultranationalist elements in the Western Ukraine and in the Uniate Church, a minority religious Greek-Catholic community of the Eastern rite, created by the Holy See in XVI century in a desperate attempt to weaken close ties of Rzeczpospolita’s Orthodox with Moscow. Since the early 1990s the Uniates enjoyed silent support of the newly-independent central authorities in Kiev. Theit tactic was to aggressively occupy Orthodox cathedrals on the canonic territory of the Moscow Patriarchate. The last thing the Uniate clergy used to preach in the occupied churches for all these years was the Christian call for repentance and peace. Instead they propagated a new crusade against the Orthodox and directly instigated and justified race-motivated prosecutions and even killings, acting exactly like radical jihadist preachers of the militant pseudo-Islamic sects. Suffice to watch a “Sunday sermon” by Mykhailo Arsenych, the clergyman from a local Uniate church in Ivano-Frankovsk region, Ukraine saying: “Today we are really ready for a revolution.The only effective methods of combat are assassination and terror! We want to be sure that no Chinese, Negro, Jew or Muscovite will try to come and grab our land tomorrow!”



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Leader Of Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Appointed As Advisor To Army

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-05/leader-ukraines-ultranationalist-right-sector-appointed-army-advisor

With Greece on the verge of either getting kicked out of Europe or suffer through yet another government overhaul, one which many suggest may usher the "last" option for Greece, the ultra nationalist, neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party into governance, some wonder if it is not Europe's ulterior intention to force a populist shift toward right wing, nationalist parties (perhaps best observed in France where Marine le Pen's dramatic rise to power has left many dazed and confused) one which will lead to social instability and shortly thereafter, war (because in a world in which every Keynesian voodoo trick to revive the economy has failed, war is the last remaining outcome).

So while we await to see if Europe's turn to ultra right wing movements accelerates in the coming months, we just learned of a very disturbing development in just as insolvent Ukraine, where moments ago the website of the local Ministry of Defense reported that Dmytro Yarosh, i.e., the person show below...



... leader of Ukraine's "Right Sector" political party, whose adherents are shown in the photos below..




... and whose political ideology has been described as nationalist, ultranationalist, neofascist, right-wing, or far right, was just appointed as Advisor to Chief of General Staff.

From the Ukraine ministry of defense:

Dmytro Yarosh appointed as Advisor to Chief of General Staff

Dmytro Yarosh, leader of ‘Pravyi Sector’ (Right Sector) political party, appointed as Advisor to Chief of General Staff. Yesterday, Colonel General Viktor Muzhenko, Chief of General Staff, and Dmytro Yarosh agreed the format of cooperation between ‘Pravyi Sector’ and the Ukrainian Armed Forces.





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Oleh Tyahnybok Leader of Neo Nazi Svoboda and was an MP









Neo Nazi Right Sector

This is a march for WW2 Nazi collaborator (and modern RW/Neo Nazi Ukraine hero) Stepan Bandera



Right Sector (neo-Nazi) Leaflet for Eastern Ukraine



1. Due to general mobilisation, all males younger than 54 must appear at district recruitment centres.

2. All citizens possessing firearms and non-lethal weapons must promptly hand it in People’s Self-Defense that are headquartered at regional administrative buildings.

3. Locals who permanently reside on streets named after “criminal Communist regime” must submit their IDs to custom office departments.

4. You must vacate all buildings located nearby military facilities and administrative buildings.

5. You must provide People’s Self-Defense units with your living space.

6. You must give up criminal activity meant to undermine revolutionary movements!

Glory to Ukraine!








uawchild

(2,208 posts)
27. What an Amazing fact filled post
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:32 AM
Jul 2016

Thank you for making the actual situation in Ukraine so clear to the uninformed poster that asked "what nazis?".

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
7. Wars are so heavily narrated particularly since the IRAQ war
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:24 AM - Edit history (2)

This is not something that happened overnight but many don't have the time or background (familiarity with the countries, which I have been to, thus my interest and discovery of how heavy war narratives are).

Nobody is saying that Putin is a "white hat".

Most of our population is not aware of how we create and promote war narratives. How we fund and create media outlets using marketing organizations to create the image we want to promote in the world and also in the states. In Ukraine, where most of the new government is particularly right wing media is completely locked up and almost nothing is allowed to rebut the governments narrative. It is illegal to do so with long jail terms.

I would venture that most here are not aware that the "NGO" sphere has been clouded, NGO fronts are created, basically all the old rules (what existed) of fair play are compromised.

As for Ukraine this governmental change was long planned for: Most even do not have memory enough to remember the first attempt "Orange Revolution" (which failed) that was headed up by the International Republican Institute (yes there is an international body of the Republican Party that has been very active... think all this rightwing agitation in Europe came from out of the blue? ). The neocons are very much still in play and the policies they started through PNAC and the Bush/Cheney administration are still having heavy influence and are still in play.

If you are really interested in understanding events: In the next reply a variety of people here dug and researched and I have put them together so folks can see for themselves. Particularly interesting that the wife of the president that was brought forward in the Orange revolution was an AMERICAN Neocon, worked with Cheney and in right wing think tanks. And that president had also worked with Republicans before he came into office.

Note: NONE of that information about the Orange revolution came from Russian sources.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
8. To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

[font size="2"]To understand how we got to where we are now: You must understand that this effort has been ongoing since at least the beginning of the new century.

The first attempt at affecting "Regime Change" was the orchestration, mostly by neo-cons, of the "Orange Revolution".

The Wests choice in 2004? A man by the name of Victor Yuschenko.


His wife? An American Citizen and Far Right Republican who had worked for the Reagan Administration, had been director at a NeoCon think tank (New Atlantic Initiative) (Victor also worked with this group) and also worked for the far right think tank the Heritage Foundation. "Katherine Chumachenko Yushenko worked in the White House Public Liaison Office where she conducted outreach to various right-wing and anti-communist exile groups in the United States.



A very good summary from a post on an older version of DU Tinoire
There are links on the original page:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2870381


Ukraine, Yushchenko, his wife (Bush employee), the US and Soros

"After hearing that the NED had pumped $65 million dollars into this election and that his wife was an American citizen, I thought I'd research this a little. I don't know this handsome US-backed Yushchenko but I'm suspecting that he is going to dismantle the Ukraine Boris-Yeltsin style and sell if off to US & European corporate interests. Germany, France and the US already have their deals in place with him over pipelines, utility companies and national resources.

Just thought I'd throw this information out there so that people can see how these things are done and how the media cooperates into presenting these changes as "spontaneous" changes that the US had nothing to do with.

So here we go. First some of the "meddling" that the media hasn't covered and then in my second post, Yushchenko's "dedicated conservative" US State Department wife.

$61 million for the Ukraine elections to back Yushchenko and $100,000 to the Tsunami victims. Just shameful.
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Bush Adminstration Spent $65 Million to Help Opposition in Ukraine

December 10, 2004

By: Matt Kelley
Associated Press

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WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.

(snip)

But officials acknowledge some of the money helped train groups and individuals opposed to the Russian-backed government candidate — people who now call themselves part of the Orange revolution.

For example, one group that got grants through U.S.-funded foundations is the Center for Political and Legal Reforms, whose Web site has a link to Yushchenko's home page under the heading "partners." Another project funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development brought a Center for Political and Legal Reforms official to Washington last year for a three-week training session on political advocacy.

(snip)
The four foundations involved included three funded by the U.S. government: The National Endowment for Democracy, which gets its money directly from Congress; the Eurasia Foundation, which gets money from the State Department, and the Renaissance Foundation, part of a network of charities funded by billionaire George Soros that gets money from the State Department. Other countries involved included Great Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Grants from groups funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development also went to the International Center for Policy Studies, a think tank that includes Yushchenko on its supervisory board. The board also includes several current or former advisers to Kuchma, however.

IRI, Craner's Republican-backed group, used U.S. money to help Yushchenko arrange meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney , Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage and GOP leaders in Congress in February 2003.

(snip)

the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House. (note: Very hawkish / Dan Quayle is one of their trustees / other names just as disturbing: http://www.freedomhouse.org/aboutfh/bod.htm )

PAUCI then sent U.S. government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Consider the Ukrainian NGO International Center for Policy Studies. It is an organization funded by the U.S. government through PAUCI. On its Web site, we discover that this NGO was founded by George Soros' Open Society Institute. And further on we can see that Viktor Yushchenko himself sits on the advisory board!

(reluctant snip)

This May, the Virginia-based private management consultancy Development Associates, Inc., was awarded $100 million by the U.S. government "for strengthening national legislatures and other deliberative bodies worldwide." According to the organization's Web site, several million dollars from this went to Ukraine in advance of the elections.

(snip)

Note from the USAID page on Ukraine: "Beyond the power sector, USAID plans to identify and assist in removing the obstacles of proper market functioning in other segments of the energy sector such as the privatization of the oil and gas transportation systems."
https://web.archive.org/web/20040826143304/http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ee/ua/121-0150.html

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Yushenko administration lost the presidency 15 months later:


Notably, one of the things that lost him the Presidency only 15 months later was his turn toward the same brand of extreme nationalism. He elevated Stephen Bandera, (a very controversial figure who is revered by extreme factions that Europe and others warned were tied to Social Nationalist Fascist groups) to "Hero" status.

A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/feb/24/a-fascist-hero-in-democratic-kiev/
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lanlady

(7,134 posts)
20. Oh, for Pete's sake
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

There has been no "right wing" anything in Ukraine. The country was under the rule of an out-and-out criminal, Yanukovych. Ordinary Ukrainians who wanted to live ordinary, normal lives, got fed up and drove him out of office. He received sanctuary in Russia, where his type (corrupt, criminal) has immunity thanks to Putin.

Putin, who felt personally threatened by the sight of ordinary citizens trying to take back their country from criminals, decided to mess with Ukraine. He annexed Crimea, he sent mercenaries and armed thugs into eastern Ukraine to wreak havoc.

That is it. Nothing to do with Bush, Neocons, Cheney... Why must some people view everything through an American prism is beyond me. Why can't you just got accept that people reach a breaking point - they can't put up with status quo anymore? Watch the film Winter on Fire, available on Netflix, if you want to understand the power of the Maydan revolution in Ukraine.

I'm truly surprised that you, as a Bernie Sanders supporter, speak in defense of Russian aggression in Ukraine. Sanders' ideals could not be more at odds with those of Putin et co. Putin is not some sort of misunderstood leftie hero. He is a KGB goon who has stolen millions of dollars from his own people. He has his opponents literally gunned down in the streets. He presides over a government of oligarchs who are stealing the future of the Russian people and using the proceeds to buy yachts in Monaco and mansions in Florida.

And you defend these people?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
23. Because I know the country and the parties
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:03 PM - Edit history (2)

and I knew it was bullshit and then researched.

The parties that came to power were pretty far right wing to fascist and represented less than 25% of the population. I was familiar with them *before* maidan. The first head of the new government , Yatsunek, is a Right Wing Evangelical Pastor.

I actually feel quite similar to you in that I wonder how the hell liberals are (unknowingly) supporting and talking about them as if they are good guys, when if they were in power here we would all be hounding them. But that is the power of Narrative in disguising the facts.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
24. pure rot... see my extensive post above
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jul 2016

Yet again I am dismayed to see this right wing neocon posturing on this board.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
26. I don't think they are bothering to actually read up on it
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jul 2016

Folks unfortunately watch the nightly news and see it regurgitated and think they know everything there is to know.

But many are also much more aware of what is going on then just a year and a half ago.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. Know your NeoCons: The Kagans - A Family Business of Perpetual War
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jul 2016
A Family Business of Perpetual War
March 20, 2015

Exclusive: Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State Department, she generates wars and – from op-ed pages – he demands Congress buy more weapons. There’s a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans work, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Neoconservative pundit Robert Kagan and his wife, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, run a remarkable family business: she has sparked a hot war in Ukraine and helped launch Cold War II with Russia – and he steps in to demand that Congress jack up military spending so America can meet these new security threats.

This extraordinary husband-and-wife duo makes quite a one-two punch for the Military-Industrial Complex, an inside-outside team that creates the need for more military spending, applies political pressure to ensure higher appropriations, and watches as thankful weapons manufacturers lavish grants on like-minded hawkish Washington think tanks.


Prominent neocon intellectual Robert Kagan. (Photo credit: Mariusz Kubik, http://www.mariuszkubik.pl)

Not only does the broader community of neoconservatives stand to benefit but so do other members of the Kagan clan, including Robert’s brother Frederick at the American Enterprise Institute and his wife Kimberly, who runs her own shop called the Institute for the Study of War.

Continued:
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Still letting bias outweigh rational thought, eh?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

Still letting bias outweigh rational thought, eh?

(Editorials are not objective evidence, merely opinion-- rational thought knows that as well)

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. So you rebut based on your bias without specifics
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jul 2016

what do you expect me to say LOL.

This discussion is full of links. I am not going to do your work for you.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
21. And they have what to do with the situation in Ukraine today?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jul 2016

As the Russians say, this is "a song from another opera." You must be confused with a DU thread from 15 years ago.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
5. BOGUS source (not surprising for this poster) The Interpreter is Neocon Michael Weiss's rag
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jul 2016

this poster is constantly posting pro empiric war, interventionist, right wing and neocon sourced or approved claptrap


Neocons Push Obama to Go Beyond a Punitive Strike in Syria

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/neocons-push-obama-go-beyond-punitive-strike-syria

On Wednesday, the Foreign Policy Initiative—which was started by Bill Kristol, Dan Senor, Robert Kagan, and other hawkish-minded policy wonks—sent a letter to Obama, urging him to slam Assad in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria: "At a minimum, the United States, along with willing allies and partners, should use standoff weapons and airpower to target the Syrian dictatorship’s military units that were involved in the recent large-scale use of chemical weapons."

But the letter—which was signed by Elliott Abrams, Fouad Ajami, Max Boot, Ellen Bork, Eliot Cohen, Douglas Feith, Joseph Lieberman, Clifford May, Joshua Muravchik, Danielle Pletka, Karl Rove, Randy Scheunemann, Kristol, Kagan, Senor, and dozens of others—demands that Obama go further. It calls on the president to provide "vetted moderate elements of Syria's armed opposition" with the military support necessary to strike regime units armed with chemical weapons. That is, the neocons and their allies have CW-ized their pre-existing demand for the United States to arm the rebels.

And there's more: "The United States and other willing nations should consider direct military strikes against the pillars of the Assad regime. The objectives should be not only to ensure that Assad's chemical weapons no longer threaten America, our allies in the region or the Syrian people, but also to deter or destroy the Assad regime's airpower and other conventional military means of committing atrocities against civilian non-combatants." Plus, Obama should not only aid the rebels to thwart additional chemical weapons attacks; he should arm "moderate elements" of the opposition so that they can "prevail against" the Assad regime and the rebel factions affiliated with Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists. In other words, get in whole hog.

snip


the signers (a Who's Who of Neocons and warmongers)


Ammar Abdulhamid Dr. Robert Kagan
Elliott Abrams Lawrence F. Kaplan
Dr. Fouad Ajami James Kirchick
Michael Allen Irina Krasovskaya
Dr. Michael Auslin Dr. William Kristol
Gary Bauer Bernard-Henri Levy
Paul Berman Dr. Robert J. Lieber
Max Boot Senator Joseph I. Lieberman
Ellen Bork Tod Lindberg
Ambassador L. Paul Bremer Mary Beth Long
Matthew R. J. Brodsky Dr. Thomas G. Mahnken
Dr. Eliot A. Cohen Dr. Michael Makovsky
Senator Norm Coleman Ann Marlowe
Ambassador William Courtney Clifford D. May
Seth Cropsey Dr. Alan Mendoza
James S. Denton Dr. Joshua Muravchik
Paula A. DeSutter Andrew Natsios
Dr. Larry Diamond Governor Tim Pawlenty
Dr. Paula J. Dobriansky Martin Peretz
Thomas Donnelly Danielle Pletka
Dr. Michael Doran Dr. David Pollock
Mark Dubowitz Arch Puddington
Dr. Colin Dueck Karl Rove
Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt Randy Scheunemann
Ambassador Eric S. Edelman Dan Senor
Douglas J. Feith Ambassador John Shattuck
Reuel Marc Gerecht Lee Smith
Abe Greenwald Henry D. Sokolski
Christopher J. Griffin James Traub
John P. Hannah Ambassador Mark D. Wallace
Dr. William Inboden Michael Weiss
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson Leon Wieseltier
Ash Jain Khawla Yusuf
Dr. Kenneth Jensen Robert Zarate
Allison Johnson Dr. Radwan Ziadeh
Ambassador Robert G. Joseph


snip

Neo-McCarthyism and the US Media


https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-mccarthyism-and-us-media/

snip

And yet a special report published last fall by the online magazine the Interpreter would have us believe that Russian “disinformation” ranks among the gravest threats to the West. The report, titled “The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money,” is a joint project of the Interpreter and the Institute for Modern Russia (IMR), a Manhattan-based think tank funded by the exiled Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Cowritten by the journalists Michael Weiss and Peter Pomerantsev, this highly polemical manifesto makes the case for why the United States, and the West generally, must combat what the authors allege to be the Kremlin’s extravagantly designed propaganda campaign. If implemented, the measures they propose would stifle democratic debate in the Western media.

snip

Weiss and Pomerantsev are an unlikely pair. Weiss, youthful yet professorial in manner, has become a nearly constant presence on cable news because of his supposed expertise on, among other things, Russia, Syria, and ISIS. A longtime neoconservative journalist, he began his rise to cable-news ubiquity as a protégé of the late Christopher Hitchens. After working with Hitchens, he made his way to the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a London-based bastion of neoconservatism that, according to a report in The Guardian, has “attracted controversy in recent years—with key staff criticised in the past for allegedly anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant comments.”

snip


so sick of seeing this neoconservative SHIT on a supposedly liberal and progressive board

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
9. Thanks. Many liberals are unaware that the Neocons are still in action. They just
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jul 2016

slinked away from IRAQ linked orgs and reformed and are now in the "NGO" and "Policy Influence" sectors. They have lots of funding and still have many allies in the government and because they are playing it more carefully and due to the changing dynamics in the media they are more dangerous than ever before.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
11. you're still BH after being caught supporting actual white nationalist forum websites
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:05 AM
Jul 2016

so given that, who are you to point any finger about a source that you claim has some connection to what you want to define as neocons? You've actually defended websites that host white nationalist and actual fascist propaganda direct from the Kremlin.

or maybe you are BH because the mag is also calling you out. You certainly came up with that Michael Weiss smear like a pro.

Advocating a more aggressive response to Assad's bloodbath of his own people in 2013 does not automatically make someone a "neocon." I tend to support what has been Obama's moderate response instead. It's impossible to know, but given the fact that three years later Assad and Russia are reguarly carpetbombing his own people, not to mention hospitals and refugee camps, and have created the refugee crisis of millions in Europe, helping cause the instability we see there now, we cannot discount the possibility that a different response would have created better results. But we'll never know, since Assad and Putin have made it a hellhole.

Likewise The Nation indirectly smearing anyone with anything "neoconservative". The Nation jettisoned their cred long ago.

Here's what you call a "bogus source" and "neconservative shit" and a "rag" :

The Interpreter is a daily translation and analysis journal funded and presented by Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty. In addition to covering political, social and economic events inside the Russian Federation, it chronicles Russia’s war in East Ukraine and its intervention in Syria in real time.

Founded in May 2013, this online journal set out with the modest goal of translating articles from the Russian press, the better to lower the language barrier that separates journalists, analysts, policymakers, diplomats and interested laymen in the English-speaking world from events taking place inside the Russian Federation.

Little did we realize then that The Interpreter would devote as much energy to covering what the Russian Federation got up to outside of its own borders.

The Interpreter is a leading real-time chronicle and analysis resource on all aspects of the crisis in Ukraine. Every day since violence first erupted in Kiev’s Independence Square, The Interpreter’s Ukraine live-blog has documented a revolution that became a war on European soil, often breaking news stories about Russia’s annexation of Crimea, its maskirovka insurgency in the Donbass, its cross-border shelling of Ukraine, the downing of MH17, and the Minsk II “cease-fire.”

The Interpreter translated into English two major reports on the alleged corruption behind the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014; the first co-written by the Leonid Martinyuk and Boris Nemtsov, the latter of whom was brutally assassinated in Moscow a year later; the second by Alexey Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation.

We also published two internationally discussed stand-alone studies, “The Menace of Unreality,” a look at contemporary Kremlin disinformation and propaganda, and “An Invasion by Any Other Name,” a near-comprehensive history of the Kremlin’s “dirty war” in Ukraine that relied heavily on what Russian investigators and activists had uncovered about their own government’s deception.

Since Russia’s intervention in Syria, under the pretense of fighting terrorism, The Interpreter has been monitoring Russia’s actions in the Middle East.


 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
12. bullshit circular reasoning. all you do is repost your bilge and then
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jul 2016

act like it's the defining truth. You are a neocon apologist, probably a supporter. I have repeatedly proved and shown this. Weiss IS a warmonger and a neocon and the Interpreter is a shameful RW empire agitiprop front.

Response to uhnope (Reply #11)

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
18. So you are saying that a ally to signatories to the "Project for a New American Century"
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016
the group behind the IRAQ war that started the whole middle east on fire, is not a neocon but is someone we should see as one of our authoritative voices? That is laughable.

Maybe you want to quote directly from Mr. Weiss's columns on the Weekly Standard? How the hell can anyone make a case he is a moderate to be listened to?

(Notice I addressed what you claimed and did not make up some shit and call you a troll like you are doing to others here. )

Do you really expect people to take you seriously if you start calling everyone who disagrees with you fascists and trolls here?



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