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villager

(26,001 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:53 PM Jun 2012

Economy Fears Slam Stocks

Source: Marketwatch

U.S. stocks drop hard on Europe, data

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks dropped Thursday as Europe’s troubles weighed and economic data supported the Federal Reserve’s view that the economy is vulnerable and that the jobs market has slowed.

Spanish banks will need upwards of $78 billion in new capital to absorb losses in the next several years. Dow Jones FX Trader Columnist Vincent Cignarella makes a stop on Mean Street to explain its potential impact on the Eurozone and western markets.

“The market has been behaving oddly all week,” said David Kelly, chief market strategist at J.P. Morgan Funds, who notes that equities failed to bounce on Monday after Greek elections yielded hoped-for results, and that the market seemingly did not like Wednesday’s move by the Fed, even though the Fed did as expected.

“To me the most important thing is the U.S. economy is not very vulnerable to recession right now, regardless of what the Fed does or doesn’t do, and earnings should be reasonably okay,” Kelly said.

Kelly also played down the significance of Spanish bank audits.

“The issues in Europe are not and have never been can you save Spanish banks, but can European leaders get together to restart their economy, and I don’t think that question is being addressed today.”

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Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stock-indexes-trade-nearly-unchanged-2012-06-21?dist=countdown

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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,510 posts)
3. Ladies and gentlemen, your next Secretary of Health and Human Services: Rick Santorum
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jun 2012
Dow Slides 250 Points

The Dow inched higher at the open, but quickly turned red after Mid-Atlantic manufacturers said that business conditions deteriorated sharply this month, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
5. my take is today's downturn is due to falling oil prices and glut of oil
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

up is down and down is up in both the economy and politics

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. The Dow will likely bounce between 12k and 13 for a while.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jun 2012

If it drops under 12k, that's probably an opportunity, if it gets up around 13k, probably time to pull some cash and wait for the next fluctuation.

The DOW has dipped a little each summer since Obama took office, only to climb higher in the following 4Q and 1Q.

Even with today;s drop, we're above 12.5k. A couple weeks ago were at abour 12.1k, and a week ago, we were at about 12.8k.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
10. And of course as always ... do not take any investing advice from some one on the
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jun 2012

Internet!!!

Having said that ... one of the things I watch are the running averages, going back to before Bush took office. If you look over that time period, the DOW stays basically flat, running between 10k and about 12k. Goes up some, goes back down some.

Then during the bubble, it ran up past 12k to 14k and stayed there for about 10 minutes. The 2000 point jump ABOVE the top of that prior average didn't make sense.

Then we had the collapse. Down through 12k, 11k, 10k, 9k, 8, 7k 6k. So that's clearly a panic. Basically, we dropped about 4k under the prior 10k average floor. That's an opportunity.

Obama gets the stimulus in place, and then within 10 months, we're back up to around 10k. And so there was a huge opportunity for those who had cash on the side lines (say you were taking gains as the down crossed above 12k, and 13k, and 14k, prior to the POP).

The collapse was so fast, not much room to play the average ... but even if you jumped back in (reinvested the gains you took between 12k and 14k) at 10k, and your time horizon was more than 2 or 3 years, you made money.

I have a friend who, in Jan 2009, decided to pump max his 401k as fast as possible. The DOW was about 7500 then. He and his wife are in their late 40s, no kids, work in high tech, strong salaries, and so maxing his 401k in those first few months of 2009 was not hard for them to do. They basically took 32k and about doubled it, just in that one maneuver.

The other thing I've noticed is that each summer since Obama took office, there has been a dire prediction each summer that the "double-dip" is here. Its not happening.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
11. I only take my own advise, don't worry
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jun 2012

I do the same as you do. I'm doing the long term thing for now.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
12. Great answer ...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jun 2012

I heard an ad on XMSIRIUS left, in which a couple are discussing their 401ks and what they should do now that the market is crashing (that was funny enough).

Then, the male says "I was talking to Bob, and Bob says he's converting his 401k to GOLD, blah, blah, blah," ... and then the guy says ... "and you know how Bob always checks all the details". And then the woman agrees on Bob's attention to detail.

As if this statement about the "fictional Bob", makes him, and by extension this couple, credible investment sources.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
8. There was a rash of bad news today - Summary
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jun 2012

Chinese PMI - weak
US PMI - weak
Initial Claims - weak
Philly Fed - disaster
Existing home sales - weak
Rumors of Moody's downgrades of British banks
Goldman with a sell recommendation

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
13. "The market" consists largely of corrupt banks and they don't care about "news"
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:08 PM
Jun 2012

The bullsht propaganda worries about Europe are fronts for public consumption. Big criminal banks, via their criminal economic fronts known as the IMF and ECB are purposely trying to devalue everything they can in Europe so they can swoop in like the vultures they are and buy up entire countries for pennies on the dollar.

The U.S. markets are manipulated daily by the same criminal interests.

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