Assad may be offered clemency by Britain and US if he joins peace talks

[dipsydoodle]

Source: Guardian

Britain and America are willing to offer the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, safe passage – and even clemency – as part of a diplomatic push to convene a UN-sponsored conference in Geneva on political transition in Syria.

The initiative comes after David Cameron and Barack Obama received encouragement from Russia's President Vladimir Putin in separate bilateral talks at the G20 in Mexico.

A senior British official said: "Those of us who had bilaterals thought there was just enough out of those meetings to make it worth pursuing the objective of negotiating a transitional process in Syria."

With daily reports of civilian deaths and the conflict apparently taking on an increasingly sectarian hue, Britain is willing to discuss giving clemency to Assad if it would allow a transitional conference to be launched. He could even be offered safe passage to attend the conference.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/21/assad-clemency-syria-peace-talks

[clang1]

1. Already a thread on this fyi

Assad may be offered clemency by Britain and US if he joins peace talks


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1133429

[Alamuti Lotus]

2. Assad's government has a long time before even APPROACHING US/UK body counts.. in Iraq or anywhere

too fucking obscene that the butchers of Fallujah act like the moral compass on such matters! Whoever gave these fools the idea that they are in charge of the world needs to be shot into the center of the sun--or just shot.

[clang1]

3. Assad deserves his day in court at The Hague n/t

[Posteritatis]

11. Because it's a competition, right? (nt)

[Alamuti Lotus]

12. If I have six severed fingers hanging out of my mouth, and I tell you that eating a finger is bad..

how credible is my statement?

[Posteritatis]

13. Much as people think otherwise, hypocrisy does not make true things false. (nt)

[Alamuti Lotus]

14. It does greatly discredit the accuser, however

And it should raise serious questions about the apparent lack of ramifications towards expontentially worse behavior on their part.

[solarman350]

4. Clemency...Refuge...Safe Passage?

Would this be Aristide, Noriega, or Marcos-style "safe passage?"

(Partial) Past US Dictator Buddies

Many of the world's most repressive dictators have been friends of America. Tyrants, torturers, killers, and sundry dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests. Traditional dictators seize control through force, while constitutional dictators hold office through voting fraud or severely restricted elections, and are frequently puppets and apologists for the military juntas which control the ballot boxes. In any case, none have been democratically elected by the majority of their people in fair and open elections. They are democratic America's undemocratic allies. They may rise to power through bloody ClA-backed coups and rule by terror and torture. Their troops may receive training or advice from the CIA and other US agencies. US military aid and weapons sales often strengthen their armies and guarantee their hold on power. Unwavering "anti-communism" and a willingness to provide unhampered access for American business interests to exploit their countries' natural resources and cheap labor are the excuses for their repression, and the primary reason the US government supports them. They may be linked internationalIy to extreme right-wing groups such as the World Anti-Communist League, and some have had strong Nazi affiliations and have offered sanctuary to WWll Nazi war criminals. They usually grow rich, while their countries' economies deteriorate and the majority of their people live in poverty. US tax dollars and US-backed loans have made billionaires of some, while others are international drug dealers who also collect CIA paychecks. Rarely are they called to account for their crimes. And rarely still, is the US government held responsible for supporting and protecting some of the worst human rights violators in the world.


Abacha, General Sani ------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi -----------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo--------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio ---------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal --------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. -------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto -------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul ------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo-----------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo ------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn -------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois ----------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco --------Spain
Hassan II-----------------Morocco
Hussein, Saddam----Iraq (Supported by Raygunz junta-1980-1988)
Marcos, Ferdinand---------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu, Sese Seko ------Zaire
Musharraf, Pervez--Pakistan
Noriega, General Manuel-----Panama
Ozal, Turgut ------------Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza -----Iran
Papadopoulos, George------Greece
Park Chung Hee -------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto -----------Chile
Pol Pot--------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni -----------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios--------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie -----Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira ----Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. ------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr.---------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo --------Paraguay
Suharto, General --------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas ----Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ---Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed -----Pakistan


http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/WorldMap.html

[clang1]

6. re: Clemency...Refuge...Safe Passage?

+1

[disndat]

7. Arab Spring

High tech, social networking, even the event of a Obama WH, are moving the globe forward.

[clang1]

8. We need our own American Spring n/t

and OWS ain't cutting it.

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5. re: Assad may be offered clemency by Britain and US if he joins peace talks

Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:16 AM - Edit history (2)

Clemency where? They gonna let that pig into the US? No. No. No. That will NEVER happen. Let him go to UK where ICC can pick him up for his genocidal actions. Let's hope his remaining days in Syria are very short ones. Maybe he will go to Russia but even the Russians are getting tired of him (just not tired enough yet it would seem, it will come. Re: Obama gets harsh answer from Putin on Assad ouster
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=52930 and Assad in bind as ally Russia unscrews tieshttp://www.indianexpress.com/news/assad-in-bind-as-ally-russia-unscrews-ties/955012/ ).


EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION IN THE
EUROPEAN UNION
http://fidh.org/IMG/pdf/Extraterritorial_Jurisdiction_In_the_27_Member_States_of_the_European_Union_FINAL.pdf

Q&A: International Criminal Court
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11809908

Rome Statute
http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/english/rome_statute(e).pdf


Heh I could just Imagine something like that happening(someone like Assad coming to america and clemency), and why is that shithole in Cuba called Gitmo still open? Nothing our government does really surprises me anymore. Expect anything is what I have come to learn and expect the worse.

[randome]

9. Whatever it takes to stop the killing.

[clang1]

10. ICC n/t