Fatal EgyptAir flight suffered on-board fire minutes before crash

[MowCowWhoHow III]

Source: Deutsche Welle

France is dispatching a naval vessel, equipped with sonar, to the site to try and locate the black box data recorders. An aviation expert told DW that equipment registered fires on board prior to the crash.

Smoke and fire broke out on board EgyptAir flight MS804 minutes before the plane plunged off radar screens during the early hours of Thursday morning.

"There was a fire on board," aviation expert Tim van Beverdn told DW. "The system sent very clear messages. There was a lavatory smoke detected. A minute later, avionics compartment smoke detected...Two minutes later, the flight control units are failing.". Van Beveren said he expected Egyptian authorities to corrobarte this information shortly.

Meanwhile, at the site of the crash, human remains have been identified, about 180 miles (290 km) north of Alexandria. The discovery comes roughly 36 hours after the A320 flying from Paris to Cairo abruptly disappeared from radar.

Read more: http://www.dw.com/en/fatal-egyptair-flight-suffered-on-board-fire-minutes-before-crash/a-19274278

[MADem]

1. Something terrible happened in the galley/lav area just aft of the cockpit.

So damn sad.

[Jitter65]

58. Looking more like a lithium battery problem... nt

[uppityperson]

2. Thank you for the update, how sad for those on board. Edited, other sites carrying this now

[LisaM]

3. I don't like to speculate, but would that likely be a bomb?

Or something akin to that ValuJet flight years ago where they were transporting used oxygen tanks and they exploded?

[Warpy]

4. Maybe a smoker who discarded a lit butt in the trash receptacle

instead of into the toilet. It has happened before.

[6chars]

6. i think egyptair is non-smoking

[thereismore]

8. ? Doesn't make any difference. nt

[Warpy]

9. So were the other flights it happened on

which is why smokers head for the lav to light up.

[joshcryer]

19. And that's why they have ashtrays.

[snooper2]

70. So is the bathroom at Cowboys stadium but that doesn't stop anyone

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

79. The trash receptacles in airplane lavs have fire extinguishers

built into them. This is more likely an electrical fire like Swissair 111.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Yep, nasty things when they go bad.

VERY hot fires. We are packing a LOT of energy in a very small space.

[anigbrowl]

34. No, less likely

A bomb is more likely to result in explosive decompression and a breakup of the aircraft than a simple fire. Of course it's possible and we won't know until there's more evidence but generally bombs to go off with a bang.

[cstanleytech]

46. I think its unlikely to be a bomb as most bombings are typically followed by a message

from the party or parties who did it claiming an almost gleelike responsibility followed by a bullshit explanation of why its really not their fault but the fault of x party for forcing them to kill a bunch of innocents.
Oxygen tanks? Possible I suppose but it could also be a number of other things as well like a fire due to faulty wiring or a fan blade broke off one of the engines and did some dmg causing the fire.

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. This seems to be based on this:

On May 20th 2016 The Aviation Herald received information from three independent channels, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages with following content were received from the aircraft:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0

It seems odd that the pilots wouldn't say anything if this is what happened.

[philosslayer]

7. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate

In that order. If I was trying to control a plane that was going down, communicating wouldn't be my highest priority.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. What I hadn't realised was they already had 2 minutes between no contact and radar disappearance

Greek aviation officials say air traffic controllers spoke to the pilot when he entered Greek airspace and everything appeared normal.

They tried to contact him again at 02:27 Cairo time, as the plane was set to enter Egyptian airspace, but "despite repeated calls, the aircraft did not respond". Two minutes later it vanished from radar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36333992

That 02:27 matches with the 0027 from Aviation Herald. The Greek site translates as (their 0327 being daylight savings time):

At 2:48 a.m. transferred to the next Audit and authorized by the responsible controller, the exit point from the Athens FIR. The pilot was cheerful and thanked the Greek.
 
At 3:27 a.m. the Athens Area Control Center tried to contact the aircraft for transfer of communication and control of the Athens FIR in Cairo FIR.
 
Despite repeated calls the aircraft did not respond, so the air traffic controller called the hazard rate with no response from the side of the aircraft.
  
At 3:29 above the exit point.
 
On 3:29:40 AM lost the position of the aircraft from the
radar about 7 NM south / southeast of the point KUMBI, in Cairo FIR.
 
Immediately requested the assistance of the Air Force radar target tracking possible, to no avail.

[AtheistCrusader]

15. Those clues could suggest an entire chunk of the plane was gone.

I would expect maybe MORE messages, but depending on what happened, the pilots may have been in no condition or mood to radio anyone for anything

[James48]

25. EXtrodinary good data

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0

First two lines:
00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
means a failure of the right window anti-icing electrical circuit sensor.


00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR

are consistent with a major windshield failure on the right (copilot) side, excessive heat, shattering the windshield, causing a significant fire. The windshield may have blown out, and the sliding window sensor could be someone trying to open the sliding window vent window to suck out the smoke, OR could be the next window immediately failed.

Third and fourth lines
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE

are consistent with the electrical fire then immediately flaring up and catching the power panel on fire.
It would be possible for the Avionics bay and lav smoke detector to be detecting smoke caused by wiring inside the fuselauge frame going to the cockpit. (short circuit).

00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
That is saying that the windshield itself is failing. That is highly unusual, and occurs a full two minutes after the initial short circuit.

00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT-
means the second flight control unit has failed. That FCU provides multi instruments would be affected-

00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT-
Again, a major instrument failure.

no further ACARS messages were received




I would not speculate anything into that.

Could be mechanical/electrical catastrophic failure, OR something else.

Need much more information.

[James48]

27. Cracked windshield failues

see the write at :

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140507001219-90103575-cracked-aircraft-windshields-are-not-rare

[AngryAmish]

78. I read the flight deck was on fire.

That would make the pilots really busy.

But let's wait for some facts.

[matt819]

10. Just remember what's most important

Speculate and blame before any information is available. (I'm looking at you Donald and Hillary.)

This one is a no-brainer. Well, they're all no-brainers. It's Obama's fault. And the Muslims.

[leftynyc]

13. Oh please

All she said was that it looked like terrorism - anyone who denies that is lying. She didn't BLAME anyone.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. Exactly the kind of conclusions people shouldn't be knee-jerking to.

There's enough fucking fear in the world without fanning the flames.

[anigbrowl]

36. That's not a conclusion, it's just acknowledging an obvious possibility

It's one thing to keep an open mind, it's another to dismiss obvious possibilities. I'm 50-50 on whether it's terrorism or poor maintenance.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. No she didn't. That was a specific attribution.

And it might turn out wrong.

Clinton also addressed the disappearance of EgyptAir Flight 804, saying the disaster "Shines a very bright light on the threat that we face from organized terror groups."

"It reinforced the need for American leadership -- the kind of hard, steady leadership that only America can provide." Clinton said.

That's the same right-wing hawkish American exceptionalism BULLSHIT that Obama just spent 8 years trying to un-do. Fuck that noise.

I sincerely hope she's wrong, just to check her pro-war hawkishness before the general, because this kind of shit is going to be our undoing.

[polly7]

45. Wow, I didn't know she'd said this.

In light of how much suffering she's willingly caused around the world with her love-for-war decisions - her claim that 'only America can provide' leadership against terror!!!! is laughable. Maybe she should make that claim to the millions who are terrorized daily since it all.

[anigbrowl]

47. No it wasn't

A specific attribution would be 'I think ISIS did it.' You thought of terrorism as one possibility as soon as you heard the news, and you did so because there has been plenty of it about in that region lately. You're going to have a long all, because there is no way she plans on losing the general election by looking weak compared to Donald Trump. Every actual terror incident (especially in Western countries) is a free campaign ad for Donald Trump.

[AtheistCrusader]

65. I thought of mechanical failure, actually.

Running 'stronger' than Trump on foreign policy is going to scare the ever loving shit out of the entire planet. Bush MK II would have trouble running 'stronger' than Trump.

[anigbrowl]

66. I didn't say anything about trying to look 'stronger' so don't put quotes around it likme I did

I said she doesn't want to look weak, which is not necessarily the same thing.

[AtheistCrusader]

73. Double quote is exact, single quote is a paraphrase.

I am curious why you disagree with that as a paraphrase.

Pretty much everything she said about it came right out of the right wing chickenhawk playbook. If you told someone it was a statement from Dick Cheney, no one would have batted an eye. Even Jeb Bush was banging that 'America must lead' drum a few months ago.

Didn't win him the fucking nomination either.


When you don't KNOW, this is what you say:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/05/19/statement-press-secretary-josh-earnest-egyptair-flight-804

President is a class act. Always has been. Always will be. That's why he defeated Hillary in '08. That's why we need someone more like him today.

[uppityperson]

40. "it looks like" is very different from "there's a possibility it is".

[blufinn]

62. And what about Trump?

And his big mouth regarding incident?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/19/trump-egyptair-crash/84626284/

[Fumesucker]

64. That is a "Dog bites man" story, it would only be a story if Trump actually said something profound

Then of course it would be a Yoooge story...

[uppityperson]

88. What about Trump? He proves repeatedly that he's a fear mongering ass.

[blufinn]

61. Why, didn't you hear

Trump's tweet right after the incident and his diatribe while at the NRA convention about it? You talk about fear-mongering!

[AtheistCrusader]

76. That should set our candidate and their candidate APART, not on the same page...

[zentrum]

17. Except that on the very same

….day, our current SOS, John Kerry, said he absolutely wasn't going to say it looks like terrorism until he knows for sure.

He went on to say that such language, before you know for sure, "harms people and countries". See? That's how you do diplomacy---- rather than whipping up a dangerous narrative.

[Journeyman]

23. That's good advice for everyone's daily affairs: Know what you're talking about before . . .

you open your yap.

[greiner3]

32. Good thing

US Secretaries of State have the good sense not to add confusion by stating something that has no proof OH wait w

[AtheistCrusader]

39. Exactly.

[Silver_Witch]

53. This!!! And THIS!! and Finally THIS!!!

[pablo_marmol]

54. Thank you.

KNX news radio L.A. is a good example of how not to handle the situation. They were peddling the terrorism angle right out of the gate with soundbites from "experts".

[-none]

80. Of course they were.

What is the country du jour our war hawks want to bomb into a gravel lot? They must have done it correct?

[leftynyc]

67. What dangerous narrative?

Acknowledging that Egypt Air has had 3 different incidences (just this year) and this could very well be the same thing? How is that a "dangerous narrative"? Especially considering the airline itself mentioned terrorism FIRST?

[zentrum]

68. Doesn't matter what Egypt said.

Or its airline. For God sakes, is there no inner guiding principle that HRC will follow except the latest trending headline?

We're the big boots in the world. So it matters in a unique and powerful way what our "leaders" say. And when a future possible POTUS and past SOS says things like this, it not only sounds like George Bush, it increases local, even domestic acts of violence against Muslims, (since that's what "terrorist" is usually taken to mean), it hurts tourism in countries where tourism is already down 40%, it has indirect effects on the RW rise in Israel, it effects the recent Obama treaty with Iran about re-establishing diplomatic ties with a Muslim country, it increases worldwide tension, xenophobia and fear. Sorry if you can't make these worldwide links in your mind.

And I see you do not address what our actually really truly diplomatic SOS said: Don't say "terrorism" until you know for sure. It's its own loaded gun. Kerry said, may I repeat, "it harms people and countries". Saying it right off the bat codes like a reckless pander to the RW in this country.

[leftynyc]

69. Is this from the same idiotic

playbook that says you can't use the words Islamic extremism because it may make already pissed off terrorists more pissed off? Frankly, saying it may be the result of simple mechanical failure is a whole lot more scary than that Egypt Air has problems with terrorists getting their hands on their planes. Saying it looks like terrorism is realistic and frankly, I don't give a fuck if it messes with the Iran nuclear deal which looks more and more like a loser every single day.

[AtheistCrusader]

75. Oh goodie, I see you're already lining up to pummel Iran too.

Is there a fucking difference between us and them anymore? Any difference at all?

How do I get off this train

[leftynyc]

81. What are you babbling about?

Who is them? Who is us? Perhaps you're happy with the mad mullahs in Iran but I detest religious freaks no matter whey they come from.

[AtheistCrusader]

82. Keep on truckin' bro.

Keep banging that war drum. War fixes everything. So I'm told

[leftynyc]

83. War drum?

So now hating the religious freaks that are in charge of iran makes me a warmonger. THIS is why your candidate is losing. Because of infantile, ridiculous arguments like yours - well done.

[AtheistCrusader]

84. And what of the religious freaks here at home?

Who invades us to get rid of them?

Iran is a sovereign nation. We have a tenuous DIPLOMATIC deal worked out with them right now. It seems to be bearing fruit. From its inception, the far right, pro-war contingent have been savaging the president over it, because it makes war LESS likely with Iran.

That's the group you stand among. The ones who want to micromange the internals of another nation. People like John McCain.

Please stop. Let diplomacy do its job.

[leftynyc]

85. Really?

Just HOW and WHERE is this agreement bearing fruit? You mean like the micromanaging that DUers regularly engage in trashing Israel? You want to trust the mullahs, knock yourself out - I despise them.

If you haven't seen me trash religious freaks no matter where they come from, you don't follow me AT ALL.

[AtheistCrusader]

89. I don't know or follow you.

You can probably guess by my username how tolerant I am of religious freaks when intersecting with Politics/Policy as well.


The UN is preparing to certify Iran's dismantling of their nuclear program. That's insane progress in three years. A master-stroke of foreign policy. Ahmadinejad was kept in office by fear mongering, shadow-boxing the great satan western imperialists, and Bush/Co. never failed to deliver them evidence that the US wanted to fight, and wanted to dominate them. Obama pulled the rug out from under him. Rouhani is a moderate. His rise is no fluke. It's the backpedal away from the right-wing extremists in Iran, who no longer have a ready supply of examples of western hegemony to beat the people about the head and neck with to shore up their support.

They lost an enemy. No windmills to tilt at now. So they have come to the diplomatic table, with negotiation rather than stonewall rhetoric. Obama has, with multi-national support, de-fused Iran. It's working.

No, from a civil rights standpoint, it's not all sweetness and light. Iran has a lot of problems for women, for people in general. It sucks there. But the hard-right is slipping, losing power. There's a shift underway.


Taking a hard-line diplomatic approach with Iran right now would un-do all the gains our current admin has accomplished, and that's intolerable to me.

[leftynyc]

92. Waiting until the generation

of mullahs to die would have worked in moderating Iran just as easily as this agreement did. While I usually come down heavily on one side or the other on subjects like that one, I easily could have argued both sides....mostly because although it sounded good, I give the mullahs zero credit for anything - especially in matters of life or death. Meanwhile, Iran still finances terrorism on a daily basis. That hasn't changed at all.

[AtheistCrusader]

93. Depending on who does the accounting, so do we.

Sad but true. Everyone's playing the same game here. I hope you can see that.

I don't think the mullahs need to die off of old age for us to continue progressing here. They are already losing control. Had the riots in 2013 happened today, Iran would be a whole new country. Sadly, a lot of them died off or are in prison from that rioting.

The people of Iran are still pro-west and their politics are moving in that direction. It's something to encourage, not threaten.

[leftynyc]

94. That was one of the arguments

I used at the time - that the younger people are pro-Western. Like I said, I could easily argue both sides.

[AtheistCrusader]

74. Kerry has been every bit the SoS that Hillary should have been.

Should have been president in 04, too.

[Silver_Witch]

52. She is a fear monger and Hawk and anything...

that promotes hate and fear are her main feast.

Hillary will always see anger, fear and hate - because that is her nature. Pure and simple. My first thought was how horrible...all those poor people. Her's "looks like terrorism".

[underthematrix]

29. NAZI Trump already went there

I expect HRC to say nothing until she receives info and clearance from the WH.

[LiberalElite]

42. Except that she said this:

"Clinton also addressed the disappearance of EgyptAir Flight 804, saying the disaster "Shines a very bright light on the threat that we face from organized terror groups."

[underthematrix]

44. Yes I saw this and completely forgot she said this

[cstanleytech]

49. Thats because it actually does shine a light on a very real issue

from a number of sources around the world who do actually do try to commit such things like airline bombings, thats a fact its not a statement that is what actually happened to this airline because I dont think it was an actual bomb in this instance because if it was the assholes who had done it would have would have released a prepared statement to claim responsibility right away within the first few minutes if not hours.

[phazed0]

11. Seems odd that it wasn't a terrorist attack..

considering all of the MSM, Trump and Hillary are on the "scary" bandwagon with no iota of information.

Bombs usually take a bit longer than 2-3 minutes to explode and don't cause localized fires.

[Ford_Prefect]

12. It rather depends on what part is burning and where the smoke is inside the plane.

A relatively small fire in the right place could disable or disrupt important instruments and control functions. Smoke in the cockpit rather than the cabin could interfere with the pilots' ability to see the instruments telling them what the problems are.

As several have mentioned we have no idea at this point what caused the smoke. I agree with those who suggest that it is more likely something intentional than accidental, or a technical fault. But that does not make it so. The public reactions of political candidates asserting probable terrorism are not worth hearing. Until more is known that kind of remark amounts to yelling fire in a theater as far as I'm concerned.

If it was a terror attack why has no one taken credit? It's not worth doing this kind of thing if you get no PR from doing it, or at least claiming you did. Where's the terror value if nobody knows it was you that pulled it off?

[FailureToCommunicate]

24. That's true. Apparently there have been none of the usual claims of responsibility.

[Baclava]

14. A simple lav fire wouldn't bring down a modern jet. An electrical/cargo fire/bomb could.

Let the endless speculation until the data recorders are found, begin.

I give it a month till they find them, if at all. Like we've seen before, the deep ocean doesn't give up it's secrets easily.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Bombs tend to decompress airplanes.

Smoke detectors don't pick up heat or smoke in that condition.

This could have been a laptop fire in the cargo area below the deck, it could have been any number of things. It'll be months before we know much for sure. FDR and CVR *MIGHT* contain clues.

Edit: Fuck I got annoyed and started replying to you before fully reading your message. Your post was fine, sorry if I sounded snarky.

[jtuck004]

20. Doesn't say front or rear, but it has both...

Whatever it was generated a lot of heat and smoke really fast, it seems, but with enough time for alarms to go off separated by minutes.Sounds more like a battery or oxygen-fed fire right near the panels that control things both fore and aft. It wouldn't be the first plane with a cargo that wasn't described correctly.Still could be a bomb, but they are darn quiet about it if it is.

At 37K feet, they might have had a minute to think about it, then all would be unconscious. Anyone who was asleep probably never knew. The pilots have masks and O2, but this might have started breaking the plane up as well, disrupting those systems, and falling into the sea.

[maindawg]

22. Very irresponsible

Of the reporters to push the terror agenda in the first place. That the candidates Clinton and Trump Both immediately screamed terrorism is more than deeply disturbing. Here was a chance for Hillary to appear cautious and wise. But no, she went right out and pointed her pudgy little finger at terrorists.
Turns out some guy smoked a cigarette .

[6chars]

33. Why would anyone think terror?

Just because the last year has already seen Isis blow up an egyptair flight leaving Cairo and killed hundreds in the Paris attack and right before this Paris to Cairo accident promised a flurry more emanating in Paris? Silly ct. Cigarette smokers are the real threat.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

55. I think it's hilarious you're ready to jump to a conclusion...

....to fit your narrative based on the scant additional information provided.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. An in-flight electrical fire can be catastrophic

and make it impossible to control the aircraft. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

[allan01]

30. ...

[Chemisse]

31. This goes against the terrorism theory, I think.

A bomb (typically) would have had devastating effects much faster, and not by emitting smoke. It would puncture a hole in the airplane and the plane would decompress, and possibly break up in the air.

If a fire started in the cargo hold, it could take time for it to reach critical equipment and cut out the electronics, thereby causing the crash. That would account for the time lapse of a few minutes before the trouble started and the plane vanished from radar.

[Yo_Mama]

48. Yes, but they would have communicated, and you would expect a different sequence of ACARS messages.

The problem seems to have started in the cockpit.

They'll get the recorders, recover most the wreckage, and I am sure they will come to a conclusion eventually.

This explains why they started talking about a bomb so quickly.

But, although it was a different plane and some changes have been made, Swissair 111 comes to mind. Electrical arcing caused a fire inside the upper right ceiling of the cockpit.
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/medias-media/fiches-facts/a98h0003/sum_a98h0003.asp

In this case, perhaps under the flooring. By the time you see the first error message, perhaps it was far along, and it rapidly knocks out systems. So technical problem can't be ruled out?

[Chemisse]

57. Ahh. Yeah, I was thinking of ValueJet 592 that crashed in the Everglades.

They lost communications quickly. But I looked it up and they did have a couple of minutes during which they communicated about smoke in the cockpit.

[Angel Martin]

35. Swissair flight 111

crashed from equipment failures due to fire that started in the entertainment system.

There is still some question if unusual amounts of magnesium were placed deliberately as a fire accelerant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111#Probable_cause

the EgyptAir timeline for equipment failure due to fire was much quicker

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Benghazi !

A conservative site is reporting that there is a link between the captain and muslims involved in the Benghazi debacle.

[blufinn]

43. Rubbish

Conservative says it all. Rubbish.

I still say it was short circuit or lithium batteries. And Trump and his blowhard mouth has to rant on and on and on.

[6chars]

50. you tell 'em!

[Silver_Witch]

51. I remember when an airplane accident was just that an accident.

It is sad that the first assumption is terror - when accident is the more likely answer. I worry that we are all so full of fear. Perhaps there is a lesson in this.

[Adrahil]

77. Part of that is that planes are MUCH safer today.

Seriously. I work in aviation. The strides made in aviation safety over the last 40 years is pretty astounding. It is a pretty rare event that we lose a large commercial aircraft to technical failures.

Look here:

http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/company/about_bca/pdf/statsum.pdf

[DonCoquixote]

56. if this were a bomb

There would be a fight between Isis and Al-Quaeda to claim who did this first, and it would have been in the first hour.

Plus, this was a Paris to Egypt flight. If they had enough skill to place the bomb in Paris, would it not have made sense to blow the thing in, Paris? aka, send a blatant FU to the EU and go "nyah nyah nyah, we got you again."

[JCMach1]

59. Couldn't one intentionally short circuit an LiON battery?

[blufinn]

60. Of course...but

Look at this very similar (one of a few, actually) event

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/2500357/ao-2009-027%20final.pdf

[JCMach1]

63. Now, imagine you have piled all of them you are allowed to bring aboard in say a trash bin...

backup power, laptop battery, several cell phone batteries, etc....


Just speculation, just as likely to be an actual bomb or some other type of catastrophic failure.

It's about probabilities...

Could even be a meteor strike, but that's an extremely extremely low probability...

[Baclava]

71. Egypt deploys robot submarine in EgyptAir Flight 804 search

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36353489


Hope they find it.

[Sunlei]

72. some reported a fireball 'falling'. Those poor people, 90 degree jolt to left, full 360 to right &

drop thousands of feet like a stone. Not a word from pilots, sounds like a bomb or very major explosion.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

87. Something for the conspiracy theorists to chew over

From and including: Saturday, 8 March 2014 (Malaysia Airlines Flight 370)
To and including: Thursday, 19 May 2016 (EgyptAir Flight 804)

is 804 days.

[moriah]

90. I hope some family members are able to recover their relatives remains. Nt

[Baclava]

91. More conflicting reports: 'EgyptAir plane 'did not swerve' before crash'

Egypt air navigation official says plane did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared, as claimed by Greece.

The head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services says that EgyptAir flight 804 did not swerve or lose altitude before it disappeared off radar, challenging an earlier account by Greece's defence minister.

Ehab Azmy, head of the National Air Navigation Services Company, told The Associated Press news agency on Monday that in the minutes before the plane disappeared it was flying at its normal altitude of 37,000 feet, according to the radar reading.

He said: "That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/egyptair-plane-swerve-crash-160523143800474.html

[MowCowWhoHow III]

95. EgyptAir navigation official says plane didn't make sharp turns or lose altitude before disappearing

EGYPT: EgyptAir navigation official says plane didn't make sharp turns or lose altitude before disappearing as Greece claimed - @ZoraSuleman
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/734849842355245057