Clinton Apparent Winner of Kentucky Primary

[ucrdem]

Source: NBC

Hillary Clinton was the apparent winner of the Democratic primary in Kentucky on Tuesday, NBC News reported.

Clinton hoped a strong showing would blunt Bernie Sanders' momentum ahead of a likely general election matchup against Republican Donald Trump.

Clinton entered Tuesday's primaries in Kentucky and Oregon with a commanding lead of nearly 300 pledged delegates over Sanders and a dominant advantage among party officials and elected leaders known as superdelegates.

Clinton remains on track to clinch the nomination in early June, but is trying to avoid ending the primary season with a string of losses to the Vermont senator.

Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Clinton-Aims-for-Kentucky-Win-to-Break-Sanders-Momentum--379837741.html

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[bjo59]

1. As of now, 46.7 to 46.3.

[ucrdem]

3. It's close

Very close

[ucrdem]

2. Okay at 99.7% it looks like a .4% spread per AP:

ELECTIONS 2016
THE PRIMARY RACE

CURRENT STATUS
Democratic Results
AS OF MAY 17, 2016, 9:40 p.m. EDT 0:12
Kentucky primary
99.7% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING (3,688 OF 3,696)
NAME VOTES PERCENT
Hillary Clinton 212,318 46.7%
Bernie Sanders 210,505 46.3%
Other 31,411 6.9%
Total 454,234 100.0%
Polls close at 10 p.m. and 11 p.m. EDT
Oregon
SOURCE: AP

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

4. The equation is simple

Hillary: Top down contributions and a slush fund = the power structure

Sanders: Bottom up contributions and a true grassroots campaign = the people

It's a victory for the power structure. Not the people.

[ucrdem]

6. She's going to need that $$ for the GE.

Sanders hasn't been saving his pennies and would get flattened in the first storm.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

33. With Sanders

It's been about people. Not money. Money to sustain the campaign yes. In the end the people are the votes. Not the money. For Hillary money and power is her campaign. Not people.

[Rincewind]

36. That's right, the people

are the votes, and Hillary has 3 million more than Bernie.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

39. 3 million votes more 3 million votes less

still a campaign about money and power and maintaining the interests of corporate America. It does not change what Hillary's campaign is all about.

[PatrynXX]

45. Nevada DNC pretty much made sure

Bernie supporters are not allowed to support her so ..... Mittens times 90 ? ouch that'll hurt and again 50/50 she'll win. the OR win for Bernie has me back to 50/50 chance. it was 40/50 up until that win in OR. And seriously whoever put CA in June shoulda been fired. Who wants to guess DWS? oh they'll say it was something else but DWS sets the rules apparently..

now on political compass.com they have Palin in 2008 to the left of Hillary but Palin more Authoritarian than Hillary. There's only one person left of Center. He's right on the horizontal line. Neither Authoritarian or Libertarian. o_O thats just the data. Yeah and Hitler was just right of Center but pure Authoritarian. So he was more left than Obama was in 2008. 2012 Obama was rather Right. but slightly to the left of Hillary.. Gandi ? in the bottom left quadrant or more libertarian than Bernie and slightly to the Left of Bernie.

[TexasTowelie]

50. So does DWS also set the date for the Republican primary in California?

The reason why California holds primaries later in the year is to save money because they also have primaries for their state candidates at the same time as the presidential primaries. One election day is cheaper than two.

It also takes money for candidates to run in California since there are so many media markets in the state. I've read many times on this site that it wasn't fair to Bernie because he didn't have much media exposure early in the primaries, so if Bernie was an unknown quantity with meager resources then he would likely have lost California and it would have spelled the end of his campaign. The polls from the beginning of the year showed that Sanders was behind by around 40 points earlier in the year and now it is somewhere in the 10 point range. Bernie benefitted by having California at the end rather than the beginning of the primary process.

[ucrdem]

5. 99.8% reporting, via LA Times:

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
Last updated: 6:44 PM
99.8% reporting
3,688/3,696 precincts
Leader by county Leader by margin
Delegates Votes Pct.

Hillary
CLINTON
0 212,318 46.7%

Bernie
SANDERS
0 210,505 46.3%

OTHER
31,411 6.9%

http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-kentucky-results/

[oldandhappy]

7. skinny win!

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

8. The delegates are split

By no means is this a victory for the power structure(Hillary)

[ucrdem]

11. Well, it's a psychological win

but yes very close. LA Times:

Clinton ekes out apparent narrow victory in Kentucky

Hillary Clinton eked out a narrow apparent victory in Kentucky on Tuesday, avoiding a sweep by Bernie Sanders as she continued to try to keep her sights set on a general election battle with Donald Trump.

With nearly all precincts in the state reporting, Clinton led Sanders by about 4,000 votes out of more than 400,000 cast.

In a Democratic race that has become more about psychology than delegates, the Kentucky contest took on outsized importance as Clinton worked to avoid a double loss for the day. Both campaigns expect Clinton to lose the night's other contest, in Oregon.

She lost heavily in the coal-dominated counties of eastern Kentucky that once were Democratic bastions but have largely abandoned the party in federal elections. But the Democratic front-runner made up the difference by winning the state's two largest cities, Lexington and Louisville.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-oregon-kentucky-primaries-20160517-snap-story.html

[NobodyHere]

15. It's a win for Hillary

Because Sanders needed to win by 30 points in order to catch up.

[PatrynXX]

46. ie a tie. adding the math she lost tonight. Didn't expect that result N/T

[alp227]

9. What was up with the 20000+ uncommitted votes?

And it seems Sanders lost by the margin of votes that went to O'Malley.

[oberliner]

10. People who don't like either candidate

But wanted to vote in down ballot primaries.

[FailureToCommunicate]

51. Apparently O'Malley's name was still on the ballot.

[alfredo]

12. As they predicted, Jefferson county would put Hillary over the top.

She was counting on Jefferson and Fayette counties, and they came through for her.

We also have Lexington Mayor, Jim Gray challenging Rand Paul for his senate seat. Gray has a record of solid accomplishments in Fayette county. Knowing how the Republicans operate, they will make Gray being gay an issue.

[ucrdem]

13. THANK YOU KENTUCKY!

[alfredo]

16. She won't gain many delegates over Sanders, but it gets her closer to clinching it.

She needed a win.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

14. Oregon will decide who really won tonight

When all the votes are counted in both states(Kentucky was a draw) the clear winner will be Sanders.

Feel the Bern and still Berning Bright.

[Kingofalldems]

18. Good try. And some nice spin.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

24. I got news for you and the other supporters of the power structure

It's not over for us. Watch the returns for Oregon tonight and California next month. Watch for us in Philadelphia.

[jmowreader]

26. Bernie Sanders is going to get his ass handed to him in California.

[Scootaloo]

30. By another half of a percent?

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

31. She's up on Sanders by 7%

She starts going at it again with Trump through the media that could evaporate quickly with Bernie having the momentum after tonight.

[Darb]

19. Uhhh, no. It's already over. Has been.

Sorry Bernie lost. He should end his campaign and endorse Hillary.

[RoccoR5955]

21. But Hilliary will lose the general election

due to the fact that independents, who are clearly 1/3 of the electorate do not like her. All the polls show that Clinton loses to Drumpf, where Bernie wins by large margins. Bernie is much better liked by the independents. Real Democrats should take notice of this.
This is why I believe that Clinton should drop out in favor of a candidate who can win in November.

[Darb]

53. No she won't and that, quite frankly doesn't mean shit, she won.

Now go off and don't vote for all I care. The bernies whining has taken the cake.

[RoccoR5955]

55. It's not me or the Dems that I care about

I care about a Dem winning the presidency, and as I stated, but many Clinton supporters continue to ignore, one full third of the electorate are independents. These folks do not want another Clinton presidency. They do not like Clinton. Don't you understand that these folks are necessary in order to win the presidency, as well as other races come November? Perhaps just getting Clinton to be the candidate is enough for some, but I want to see a Dem get elected, I do not care about gender or anything else but winning.

[Darb]

57. You seem to believe that independents are all liberals?

I got news for ya, a lot of them left the Repubic party because it wasn't racist enough. Or "conservative", as they call, enough. Do you actually believe that the independents that are gonna vote for Trump will swing toward Bernie? Don't think so. As for the rest. Most will prefer Hillary to Trump.

But it doesn't matter, the votes are in and Bernie has no shot. He is further behind than on Monday. He needs even bigger wins to catch up than before. Hillary is the one we will have to ride to victory or it will be Trump.

[RoccoR5955]

59. Again, you do not understand.

So I will not continue to attempt to explain it to you.
You keep believing your fantasy that most people will vote for Hilliary. I wish you luck with that.
Just remember what I said here when she fails to win in November, okay?

[RoccoR5955]

61. Do some math.

If 1/3 are Dems, 1/3 are Reps and 1/3 Indy, and if everyone on the Dems and Reps voted for their party, the winner would only need 1/2 of 1/3 or 1/6 of the vote. Plus one vote wins the election.
In case you are not up on the higher math:
1/3 = 2/6

2/6 + 1/6 = 3/6

3/6 = 1/2

1/2 = 50%

50% + 1 = a winner!

So, though all of them do not have to be more liberal, only 1/2 +1 does.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

28. It should be the other way around

The Democratic Party risks having a nominee under indictment with Hillary. Sanders beats Trump. Hillary is weighed down with too much baggage that Trump can use against her.

[Darb]

54. Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

The trifecta. I will tellyou the same as the other poster. It doesn't matter who the bernies think can win, or anyone else for that matter. She won. It's over. She's the nominee and you can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Damn, what is it you guys don't get?

[RoccoR5955]

56. And so much for the general election.

If Clinton loses, it will be the Dems own fault for this. You have been told so ahead of time.
DO NOT BLAME BERNIE SUPPORTERS WHEN CLINTON LOSES COME NOVEMBER.
You all ignore the fact that 1/3 of the electorate belong to neither the Democratic or Republican Party, and they do not like Clinton.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

58. Since you came at me that way

you should know that's an escalation. Bullshit is what you and others have bought into in the false image created by corporate America packaged by Madison Avenue that is Hillary Clinton. This image of bullshit covers your face and eyes and blinds you to the corruption her and her Democratic party establishment enablers are involved in. She is climbing into to bed with people like the neocons that have us committed to endless wars in the middle east for Israel while Bernie acts courageously and refuses to speak before AIPAC to affirm our commitment to these endless wars for Israel. You cannot see this act of what is in the interest of the people of this country because you are submerged and suffocated in the bullshit image of Hillary Clinton created by corporate America and the corrupt Democratic party establishment. The bullshit that is covering you and others that voted for Hillary is what we will be up against in the streets of Philadelphia. We will be coming with our own mental shovels to clear it out of the way.

[GulfCoast66]

60. Nice rant

But she has still won. Don't love her, or even like her that much. But part of maturing is being able to subject my emotional side to the facts as I see them. Whoever has the most pledged delegates at the convention will get all of the SDs. And that will be Clinton. Bernie will bargain hard to get some things he wants then endorse her.

And your anarchist threats about action in the streets. Laughable man. Still butt-hurt from your occupy experience?

[wisteria]

20. What, lol

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

35. Check how Oregon votes tonight

LOL!!!

[jmowreader]

25. The "clear winner" who's still over 700 delegates behind Hillary

And after the Nevada convention, don't count your chickens.

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

37. If Bernie wins California

and it moves to a contested convention the power structure of the Democratic Party establishment is going to have to decide if it's going to maintain the interests of corporate America with Hillary as their nominee or they chose to be the party of the people with Bernie as their nominee. For many of us who have been on the front lines in things like the Occupy Movement we are ready to be in the streets of Philadelphia if Bernie wins California. It will be a pivotal moment for the Democrat Party. It will need to decide who it represents.

[FailureToCommunicate]

32. Welcome to DU !

[UnitedFront4Sanders]

34. Thank You!!!!

Bernie 2016!

[SunSeeker]

17. Another win for Hillary, even while being attacked from both sides!

[liberal N proud]

22. Imagine what could happen if she could focus on one side

[ucrdem]

23. NPR still hasn't called it but the numbers haven't changed. From 30 minutes ago:

Clinton Holds Narrow Lead Over Sanders In Kentucky Primary
May 17, 20169:42 PM ET
Jessica Taylor - Square 2015
JESSICA TAYLOR
Twitter

With nearly all votes counted, Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders in the Kentucky Democratic primary by about 1,800 votes.

The Associated Press has said the race is too close to call. With 99.7 percent of all precincts reporting, Clinton is up 46.7 percent to 46.3 percent for Sanders.

If her lead holds, a narrow victory in the Bluegrass State would give Clinton a slightly wider lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders, and a bit of momentum as she seeks to turn her attention toward a likely general election race against de facto GOP nominee Donald Trump.

There is no automatic recount process in Kentucky. A candidate would have to request a recount within 10 days, and would be responsible for all costs.

Oregon Democrats are also voting Tuesday, and results from that state are expected after 11 p.m. ET.

Even though the former secretary of state has an edge of more than 280 delegates over rival Bernie Sanders, a win in Kentucky would be Clinton's first primary victory since April.

The Vermont senator recently notched wins in Indiana and West Virginia, but by margins that did little to close the gap with Clinton. Still, her repeated losses spurred talk that Clinton would have difficulty uniting Democrats in the fall, and also exposed her weaknesses with younger voters and white, working-class men.

A Kentucky win is one Clinton fought hard for, campaigning heavily in the state. According to NBC News, it was the first state since March 15 where she outspent Sanders on the airwaves.

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http://www.npr.org/2016/05/17/478441023/clinton-holds-narrow-lead-over-sanders-in-kentucky-primary

[MadDAsHell]

27. This place is gonna get awfully quiet come early November 9th...

Or will even the General loss have been worth it because her nomination was "historic?"

[ucrdem]

29. LOL, no danger of that.

Whoever wins is going to be DU's whipping boy/girl for the next 4 years at least.

[Hissyspit]

38. I can tell you if Clinton becomes the nominee (and I WILL support her run), but loses to Trump...

You will need to block me, because you will NOT want to read my posts.

[ucrdem]

44. Sorry I'm blocking the post above

j/k



p.s. I just checked and the only full block I have was PPR'd 2 years ago . . .

[AntiBank]

40. Clinton KY 2008 Primary votes 460K, 2016 210K

Bodes ill for the GE. Democrat turnout massively down.

[Hissyspit]

41. That's too bad.

Hillary Clinton holds a 12-point lead over Bernie Sanders nationally, but in a hypothetical match-up against Donald Trump, Sanders does much better than the current Democratic front-runner.

Poll: Can Clinton or Sanders beat Trump?
05/10/16 06:02 AM—UPDATED 05/10/16 05:59 PM

By Hannah Hartig, John Lapinski and Stephanie Psyllos

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-can-clinton-or-sanders-beat-trump

[Cryptoad]

42. Hillary only had to get 34% of the Delegates of each state to win!

Hillary wins KY and OR

[ucrdem]

43. Per latest AP feed she only needs 94 more delegates to clinch:

Needed to clinch: 2,383

HRC:

Pledged: 1,765
Super: 524
Total: 2,289
----------------
Still needed: 94

Bernie:

Pledged: 1,486
Super: 40
Total: 1,526
---------------
Still needed: 857

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/02/468641509/elections-2016-democratic-and-republican-delegate-tracker

[Omaha Steve]

47. This USED to be Clinton territory

[Rosa Luxemburg]

48. The Clinton campaign spent a lot of money in Kentucky

and won by a sliver

[ThePhilosopher04]

49. Should read "Fraudulent Winner"

[riversedge]

52. Congrats to Hillary and her Team.