Reid blames Sanders' 'people' for Nevada convention chaos

[SecularMotion]

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid sharply criticized Bernie Sanders' supporters for turning the Nevada Democratic Convention into chaos over the weekend, saying the Vermont senator should not "accept" how his backers behaved.
"I've been dealing with Nevada state conventions for 50 years: To say I was disappointed was an understatement," Reid told CNN in the Capitol on Monday.

"I hold his people accountable, and I'm sure if Bernie found out about it, he would not accept what happened there," Reid said.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/nevada-convention-chaos-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/index.html

[LiberalArkie]

1. Yep, sure thing Harry. Just like Richard Daley had nothing to do with the Chicago fiasco in 68

[roguevalley]

46. yeah they had control and stole it from hill. no wait ...

[MADem]

98. Richard Daley was the Mayor, in charge of the PD. Harry Reid is the Senate Dem Leader.

smh.

You do know that Harry Reid doesn't order the police around?

[still_one]

101. Since they seem to have a problem with parlimentary procedure, I would venture that they may also

not be aware of who has jurisdiction over what anything

[MADem]

122. The Metropolitan police showed up only after the hotel said "You ALL have to leave."

They overstayed their rent of the hall by four hours, and the "event security" people bailed on them.

The lack of leadership by Team Sanders is telling. If he thought he was building a movement, he's working hard at destroying it with this nonsense.

[w4rma]

120. Lange ordered state troopers present at the Paris Las Vegas hotel to lock the bathrooms and confisca

“Contrary to procedures and precedents set by the committee, nearly none of the 64 people were presented with the opportunity to be heard by the committee or to demonstrate that they are registered Democrats,” said credentials committee co-chair Leslie Sexton.

After 10 PM, when the convention was scheduled to end, Lange ordered state troopers present at the Paris Las Vegas hotel to lock the bathrooms and confiscate pizzas that Sanders delegates had ordered. When Sanders delegates tried to protest the results, Lange illegally ended the convention, then fled the building with a phalanx of state troopers escorting her out.
http://usuncut.com/news/bernie-sanders-responds-nevada-debacle/

[MADem]

121. LOL@ USUncut--you do realize it's the PRAVDA of the Sanders campaign?

Don't you think it odd that never was heard a discouraging word at that website about "The Bern?"

How does a state trooper "lock" a public bathroom? With his super-special state trooper key?


And you believe that foolishness? That the state troopers said "Aye aye, ma'am" to a private citizen, running a PRIVATE association (there's no "government" in Democratic Parties, hate to tell you--they're as private as a Moose Lodge or the Shriners)? Get real. It's great that this kind of easily refuted nonsense is pumped out by "helpers," certainly--it's absurd on its face.

If anyone "locked the bathrooms" it would have been the hotel facilities coordinator, because the group had OVERSTAYED their allotted time--they were no longer authorized use of the facilities. But, oh, it sounds SO MUCH BETTER to put a few jackbooted state police in there (instead of the Metropolitan police, who were only called because the Sanders people were behaving so monstrously).



Let's try a dose of truth for a change, shall we?

Jennifer Forkish, a spokeswoman for Caesars Las Vegas, which owns the hotel, said in a statement that the convention "ran four hours past its scheduled end time, forcing the security paid for by event operators to leave their posts as their shifts ended. Without adequate security personnel, and in consultation with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and event organizers, a decision was made that it was in the best interest of everyone in attendance to end the event."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wtf-happened-at-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention-20160517#ixzz48x2ObsO0

The Sanders delegates--and that's what they were, hand-picked SANDERS delegates--who behaved in boorish fashion disgraced their candidate, disgraced his movement, and likely sounded the loudest, if not the final, death knell to his campaign. If this kind of crap keeps on as Bernie limps in last to the finish line, he won't only not have a "movement" to build in future, he could very well lose his Senate seat. Heckuvajob, Berners!

[w4rma]

125. "in consultation with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and event organizers(Lange)"

And your source agrees with US Uncut. I find US Uncut to have a very good track record of accuracy.

[MADem]

133. Oh please--State Troopers Shutting Down Bathrooms?

LOL! Yeah, whatever.

USUncut is garbage. Feel-good garbage.

[w4rma]

134. Good question: Why would Lange coordinate with the police to shut down bathrooms?

Why would she "pass" rules making her a dictator and allowing her to hold her chair position for life, without elections?

[MADem]

136. The HOTEL did that, because NVDem Party overstayed their welcome by 4 hours.

Security, hired for the event, left when their time was up.

The HOTEL wanted them gone.

Everyone in that room was a trespasser.

It's in the RS link.

[w4rma]

137. Your link said that she coordinated with the police to shut down the convention.

Why do Clintonites lie about every little tiny thing? Do you learn it from your dishonest candidate? The one with the worst unfavorables and who is seen as the least honest in the history of Democratic candidates?

[MADem]

138. My link said the HOTEL representative wanted them GONE. nt

[w4rma]

139. Here is a detailed explanation of Hillary's Nevada election theft:

"Temporary Rules" debacle:
• Item #1 on agenda of convention was to vote for these "Temporary Rules" to pass. This was conducted by paper ballot.
• Vote was supposed to be held after convention started, but instead it was held immediately at 10 am early at 9:30 when not everyone was inside the convention and not everyone who was inside had ballots. But you know who was inside and had all their ballots ready? All the Hillary earlybirds (early-hawks) that knew this vote was going to happen early. Vote passed.
• Motion to have a re-vote of the Temporary Rules was demanded by citizens. Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange instead held a voice vote that the temporary rules would stay. Some AYES, resounding NAYS. But who cares! She votes to pass it. Video of that CHILLING MOMENT here, (PS the beginning of this video is confusing because Roberta Lange is on screen, but the voice is from a woman talking OFF-screen. The voice is of a concerned citizen demanding a re-vote.) :

Sanders delegates debacle:
• 64 delegates were ejected from the convention because they didn't have "the proper credentials", even though they did. They weren't allowed to prove they were credentialed. Shady.
• Most, if not all, of these ejected were Sanders delegates.
• Therefore, Clinton won by 30 delegates. How convenient.

Highlights from the resulting daylong/nightlong shitstorm:
• Barbara Boxer mocks Sanders supporters (who were objecting to how things were going down): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/barbara_boxer_to_nevada_democrats_if_you_boo_me_youre_booing_bernie_sanders.html
• Roberta Lange commandeered all mics and surrounded herself by police so that no Sanders people could get on the mic
• Eventually Dan Rolle (NV 2nd Congressional District Candidate) was able to get on the mic and he made a motion to call for the removal of Roberta Lange as Chair. As soon as he made that motion, his microphone was cut immediately. Of course. Motion was ignored. Great explanation of why this motion was ignored, here. Thanks /u/wormhog! Happens at 42:40 here: https://www.periscope.tv/FenyxFX/1yNGawjozjrxj CRAP this periscope link expired - NEW LINK: Happens at 42:40 here:

?t=43m24s
• Nevada Democratic Party employs stalling tactics and psychological tactics to try to force people to leave. Making them wait hours while nothing happened, playing music SUPER LOUD, charging $5 for tiny little bottles of water. People online started ordering pizza for those inside. Some pizzas got in, but once it was realized what was going on, police started intercepting the pizzas and throwing them in the dumpster. the pizzas had to be moved outside.
• Jesse Sbaih (NV 3rd Congressional District Candidate) gets on microphone and makes motion for a recount to resounding cheers. Motion is ignored (it is against the rules to ignore a motion). Happens at 16:50 here:

?t=16m50s
• Roberta Lange jumps onstage and in like 15 seconds makes a bunch of motions that basically say "all the shady votes that happened here tonight stand, the pro-Hillary delegate results stand, and this meeting is adjourned". She does voice votes on all this. NAYs are ridiculously louder every time. But she passes everything regardless, ignoring the nays, then runs off stage. COMPLETE CHAOS ENSUES Videos of this: From Periscope Superhero FENYXFX great video, 21:42 here:

&feature=youtu.be&t=21m42s
From Adryenn Ashley - great closeup video, start at 3:50 https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761902337695/ From Asia Zamora, this one well captures the pain and sadness of the aftermath of democracy being stolen from us, start at 2:30 though: https://www.facebook.com/asia.zamora.3/videos/1195756427101567/
• Police come in and everyone is told to leave or they will get arrested. Here's a pic: https://mobile.twitter.com/Clyatt/status/731725898211151872 Video of DNC leaders running out side door: https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderLChambers/videos/1059531310749260/
• RESULTS: By the rule change and delegate suppression there is a change of 8 net delegates. Instead of Bernie winning by 19-16, the result is 20-15 Clinton now. Thank you to /u/puppuli for this info!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4jid77/basic_stepbystep_of_what_went_down_yesterday_at/

[MADem]

140. You give me a gish gallop from the SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT reddit? REEEEAaaaly?

And of course, it's not at ALL partisan!

Come on. I was born at night--but not last night.

[w4rma]

142. No wonder you act so naive. You won't read anything outside of Hillary's protected sources. (nt)

[MADem]

143. You can't find a neutral reporting agency to justify your claims?

If you can't, then maybe you might want to get outside YOUR bubble a bit more.

Don't get angry with me simply because I'm not going down your rabbit hole.

And the name calling? You can stow that, too. It's not a good look.

[w4rma]

144. My excerpt is FILLED to the brim with links to original sources. *Original* sources. (nt)

[99th_Monkey]

2. Surprise surprise!

He's been a Hill-bot since forever

[JohnnyRingo]

54. If you read the article...

...you'll see he's pretty supportive of Sanders and is probably his best ally in the senate. He and Bernie spoke before the Nevada Primary to avert trouble.

He even supports Sanders' wishes to stay in until the convention. I'm not sure what more you want of him.

[99th_Monkey]

59. What more do I want ?

Well, Harry could start by not saying this kind of nonsense --> ""I hold his people accountable, and I'm
sure if Bernie found out about it, he would not accept what happened there,"

[JohnnyRingo]

63. He spoke on the phone with Sanders before the primary.

Bernie assured him he wouldn't put up with such behavior. Was Sanders lying? He might have been, you know better than me.

I have a feeling your whole problem is that Reid endorses Clinton. Bernie supporters seem to see anyone who isn't 100% on Team Bernie as the enemy. Hillary people know we're all on the same side against the GOP, including Sanders.

[99th_Monkey]

81. "Bernie assured him he wouldn't put up with such behavior. Was Sanders lying?"

Unless Bernie's "assurance" includes telling his supporters they need to ignore DNC improprieties,
dirty tricks, etc.; then his conversation with Harry is irrelevant and off-point.

When Clintonitas who hold key positions in the party, use those positions of public trust to flaunt their
dirty tricks to favor "their candidate", thus abusing the public trust, I doubt that Bernie's
insisting his own supporters "allow" this and quietly endure such abuse.

[JohnnyRingo]

97. Well, their outburst solved everything then.

There's no further reason to complain because the Bernie supporters went through proper channels and resolved the issue right there at the hall.

Good work Berniacs!

[99th_Monkey]

117. What "proper channels" were available to them?

None. They were at the assigned place to resolve differences FAIRLY, and according
to already existing rules, rules that were arbitrarily changed to favor Clinton.

At least the Bernie abuse didn't go down quietly, but was exposed.

[JohnnyRingo]

118. Maybe Bernie should have run as the Independent that he is.

You have to ask yourself why Sanders chose to join a party that favors mainstream Democrats. Is he so arrogant that he thought he'd redesign it in his own vision of Socialist Democrat?

Obviously, Sanders believed there was an advantage to running under the Democratic tent but called foul when he wasn't promoted as the front runner.

[99th_Monkey]

119. Oh please! If Bernie had run as an Independent

All you Hillarians would be screaming bloody murder with nasty accusations about Bernie
being a Naderesque "Spoiler", and you know that's true.

BTW - Be careful what you ask for. He could still do that, if he's provoked enough.

[JohnnyRingo]

124. That's because he actually would be a Nadesque spoiler.

The only difference I see now is that he's trying that after he discovered that he can't win as a Democrat. He knows he can't win as an Indy now either, so his only function would be to ensure a Democratic loss in November.

It should be easy to figure out why the Democratic Party doesn't like Bernie Sanders. If my senator, the great Sherrod Brown of Ohio decides to back Bernie, I'll follow.

[Jackilope]

127. The curtain has been pulled back far enough....

It would be GREAT if he ran as an Independent. I could actually vote for someone I wanted.

[99th_Monkey]

135. He would have 40-50% a chance of winning IMHO. nt

[agracie]

3. Hey Harry, Google it and watch a few videos.

[wallyworld2]

45. Is this the same Harry who wasn't going to interfere in the Nevada primary?

Nicole Sandler had this as her topic today and she interviewed a woman named Adryenn Ashley who was there too. http://radioornot.com/blog/5-16-16-nicole-sandler-show-democracy-or-not/

https://twitter.com/adryenn

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley

[MurrayDelph]

55. And the same Harry

who not only refused Jeff Merkely's attempts at filibuster reform but punished him for suggesting that Senators who want to filibuster should have to, you know, stand up and filibuster?

[Duval]

60. Yep!

The party best shape up, before they lose members.

[EndElectoral]

4. Now why does this (cough -DNC) not surprise me?

[floriduck]

5. His retirement will be like a toilet flushing sound, bringing in new blood for things

that apply to this century. Searchlight is where he needs to be.

[shenmue]

14. Just what I would expect - trashing a Senator who has

served his country for decades.



Shame on you.

[floriduck]

17. Your measuring quantity. I'm measuring quality. nm

[Hortensis]

106. That's the point - you're ignoring Reid's quality.

Senator Reid has been a very talented liberal and progressive power in the Senate. If you support progressive change, you should regret his leaving.

Btw, if every progressive in Congress who didn't happen to support Bernie Sanders for president was "flushed," as you put it, and therefore every liberal, you could count those remaining on one hand and the Republicans would rule Congress completely. Maybe ask yourself what really matters to you and why?

[floriduck]

113. Maybe ask yourself what really matters to you and why? I did that already.

Their are enough responses below to support my position so I won't repeat them. So now it's your turn.

[Hortensis]

115. Democracy. Sanctity of one man one vote.

Government of, by and for the people, securing freedom, justice, and prosperity for all. Plus a bunch of specifics but pretty much fall under all that, like very affordable high-quality education and healthcare.

I'm afraid I see a huge clash between what might be your goals and your apparent preferred means of achieving them. For instance, I cannot imagine how "flushing" Senator Reid and those in Congress like him could result in anything but 100% failure of everything Bernie says he wants to achieve and 100% victory by the enemies of government truly of, by and for the people.

There are many millions of those, you know; they hold both houses of congress now and many state governments and are hugely funded. Their leaders are thrilled that we are losing an extremely powerful and competent liberal progressive leader to retirement.

[floriduck]

116. Government of, by and for the people, securing freedom, justice, and prosperity for all

Unfortunately, we have a government of, by and for the wealthy and corporations. And the others just don't see the freedom, justice and prosperity at the same levels as those of the wealthy. It's apparent you and I see life through different lenses. So we will agree to disagree.

[Ned Flanders]

35. Service is not enough.

You don't get points for the length of your career. As an adult, I'm expected to hold a job most of my life. But what kind of job are you doing?

This, from another one of the "Impeachment is off the table" crowd. Who voted for war in Iraq. And more. I've never understood why he gets such high marks, except for managing to keep his job in a conservative state, and perhaps prevent more damage. But he has been notably silent, and/or wrong, when it counted. How long before he commented on the Bundy Militia, for example?

[840high]

50. He did not serve well.

[Omaha Steve]

70. Senator who has served his country for decades

Sanders gets trashed all the time on the DU.

[sendero]

104. Served....

.... by folding like a paper napkin over and over and over. Reid is one of the huge mistakes in the Democratic party.

[JonLeibowitz]

6. Where is his outrage about Wendell Pierce? I'm sure we'll see it any second now..

[AzDar]

7. Dirty-Harry-Says-What?

[redstateblues]

84. Thanks Rush

[Scootaloo]

8. Go dry your powder, Harry. n/t

[beastie boy]

9. ...And let the whining begin!

Harry is a DINO! Harry is a Hillbot! Harry is a neo-liberal third way sellout!

Just a reminder to all the angry children: Harry has been a Democrat representing Nevada since before most of you were born!

Disgusting. Just disgusting...

[JDPriestly]

15. Nonsense!

The organizers of the Nevada convention deliberately made rules that would deny the 1/2 of their delegates who support Bernie the ability to participate meaningfully in the convention.

The response of the Bernie supporters to their silencing by the authoritarian organizers of the convention was reasonable.

We are going to see another 1968 unless the Hillary crowd wises up.

I registered voters on a California college campus today. The youth of America are excited and energized by Bernie's candidacy.

The elderly among us (including myself) need to encourage the young to back the candidate that speaks to them and their view of the world.

How much longer will Harry Reid have to deal with our dying environment, overly expensive healthcare and the student debts of our college graduates? Odds are he will not deal with those problems as long as the people protesting and wishing to speak at the Nevada convention will.

Harry Reid is very wrong on this. Very wrong.

He and Hillary are relics of the past. Don't tell me that in addition to being corrupt, our Democratic Party is obsolete.

It happens. Parties do become so mired in the attitudes, values and customs of the past that they just disappear and are replaced.

I would like to think that the Democratic Party leadership can read the handwriting on the wall and accommodate the Bernie supporters. Because Bernie's supporters are the future.

And inversely, Hillary's are the past.

[stopbush]

18. Yawn. The loser's laundry list makes another appearance on DU.

So predictable...and so useless.

Had Sanders somehow won the nomination, 95% of your complaints would still remain.

[JDPriestly]

40. It's the Hillaryites who are losing the future of the Democratic Party.

Hillary is yesterday. Bernie is the candidate for tomorrow.

His views especially on trade and jobs respond to the concerns of young Americans.

Go to a college campus. Just walk around and ask people who they support. You will be amazed.

The leaders of tomorrow's America support Bernie Sanders. Even I, an older Bernie supporter, am amazed by the depth of knowledge about and enthusiasm for Sanders.

It isn't just a craze. It is very deep.

Today the topics were the Andrea Mitchell interview of Bernie Sanders which made the students very angry and the Nevada Convention which also made them angry.

If the goal of the Hillaryites is to discourage voting by America's youth, they are sure achieving it. But that is not my goal.

I'm for Bernie.

[stopbush]

62. Sanders is stuck in the 60s.

Candidate for tomorrow? Please.

[Omaha Steve]

71. And he keeps moving Hillary to the left

Evolving......

[stopbush]

74. Not really.

She and Sanders voted the same 93% of the time in the Senate. Her platform has been plenty progressive since she announced.

You give Sanders credit where none is due.

[Omaha Steve]

79. How Hillary Clinton’s positions have changed as she’s run against Bernie Sanders

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/29/how-hillary-clintons-positions-have-changed-while-running-against-bernie-sanders/

In the course of fending off Sanders’s challenge, Clinton appears to have conceded to him on a couple of major economic policy issues. The former U.S. senator and secretary of state has abandoned the centrist positions she previously held on trade and Social Security and taken stances closer to Sanders’s views.

Add in the Keystone pipeline, TPP, gay marriage,....

[stopbush]

82. From the article you cite:

"Clinton has made some adjustments to her thinking when it comes to Social Security over the past couple years," Manley said.

"On many economic issues, Clinton’s positions are more moderate than those of Sanders. Unlike him, she hasn’t fully endorsed a $15 hourly minimum wage nationwide, saying only that if presented with a bill to create one, she wouldn't veto it. She has rejected Sanders’s proposals for universal, federal health insurance and for eliminating tuition at public colleges and universities.

"When it comes to financial reform, Clinton has endorsed only a limited version of the kind of huge sales tax on purchases of stock and other securities that Sanders has proposed. Sanders’s tax, economist Baker said approvingly, would amount to "digging the guts out of Wall Street."

As far as her position on TPP, Politifact reported:

In her 2014 memoir Hard Choices, she wrote:

"Because TPP negotiations are still ongoing, it makes sense to reserve judgment until we can evaluate the final proposed agreement. It’s safe to say the TPP won’t be perfect -- no deal negotiated among a dozen countries ever will be -- but its higher standards, if implemented and enforced, should benefit American businesses and workers."

"In fairness to Clinton, the TPP was still under negotiation when Clinton made the "gold standard" comment. The partners only finalized the deal this year. It’s quite possible the deal looks dramatically different than it did at the early stages of negotiations, when Clinton was at the State Department -- something Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill pointed out to us for this fact-check. The negotiations have been conducted in secret, so it’s hard for us to assess that ourselves. Also, as secretary of state, she spoke as a representative of the Obama administration, which was and remains wholeheartedly in favor of the deal."

So, no, Sanders has not been pulling her to the left. She's gotten there all on her own, long before that DINO decided to run for the D nomination.

[Omaha Steve]

85. Clinton voted for 'virtually every' trade agreement, killing millions of jobs, Sanders says

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/10/bernie-s/clinton-voted-virtually-every-trade-agreement-kill/

By Linda Qiu on Sunday, April 10th, 2016 at 5:29 p.m.

Snip: "Well, when you vote for virtually every trade agreement that has cost the workers of this country millions of jobs," he said, "when you support and continue to support fracking, despite the crisis that we have in terms of clean water, and essentially, when you have a super PAC that is raising tens of millions of dollars from every special interest out there, including $15 million from Wall Street, the American people do not believe that that is the kind of president that we need to make the changes in America to protect the working families of this country."

Snip: As first lady, Clinton spoke favorably in the 1990s and in the early 2000s of the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed by President Bill Clinton.

"Creating a free trade zone in North America — the largest free trade zone in the world — would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal," she wrote in her 2003 memoir, Living History.

As a senator from New York, Clinton had the opportunity to vote on 10 trade deals. She said yes to six and no to the Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA) and the deal with Andean countries. She skipped the votes on agreements with Jordan and Peru, which came up when she was running for president the first time, but supported both deals.

More at politifact link.

[stopbush]

88. As First Lady, Hillary voted on nothing.

[Omaha Steve]

89. As first lady, Clinton spoke favorably in the 1990s and in the early 2000s of NAFTA

Your hiding her record?

[stopbush]

90. Speaking favorably isn't voting.

You said that she "voted" on specific things, then cited legislation she never voted on.

Plenty of Congressmen say one thing and vote another way. Ex: Sanders rails against pork barrel military spending, yet he supported the F35 boondoggle because it brought pork to VT.

You are distorting her record.

[Omaha Steve]

91. So she didn't support it, even though her book says she did?

That is called on the record!

[stopbush]

94. Excuse me, but you titled #85:

85. Clinton voted for 'virtually every' trade agreement, killing millions of jobs, Sanders says

"Voted for" is not the same as being on the record. First ladies don't vote.

[Omaha Steve]

95. .

OK Hillary didn't mean what she published!

[MADem]

99. LOL!

If "speaking favorably" were the same as voting, then Bernie Sanders is a communist!


Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders visited the medical school on his trip to Yaroslavl, Russia, in 1988. PHOTO: COURTESY OF VALERY VOLOVENKO



Bernie Sanders Declines to Disavow Past Praise of Cuban Communism at Debate
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/09/bernie_sanders_on_fidel_castro_and_cuban_communism_at_debate_video.html






And...to my detractors...I used the conditional tense, please take note.

[blackspade]

109. Red baiting.

Classy....

[MADem]

123. Had a hard time following the thread, did you?

When your team tries to equate the vague "speaking favorably" with "voting," a bit of pushback is entirely justified.

Get over it, and get over the fact that your candidate has lost the battle and the war. He has screwed himself out of a legacy by failing to rein in or disavow the Paulbot Wing of his Brigade. He has made a strategic error of monumental proportions. Not the 1st time, either.

It's all over but the internet shit-flinging and bitter recriminations.

[blackspade]

129. Your "facts" are an illusion that you have constructed for yourself.

To what end, I won't speculate because I don't know you.
As for "the internet shit-flinging and bitter recriminations" I'll leave that kind of thing to you all over at camp weathervane since that seems to be your "team's" area of expertise.

[MADem]

131. What are you having a problem with?

He did go to Russia, he did praise Castro.

If you pull the string, you will see that I am saying one stupid comparison about Clinton (voting as a FLOTUS) is as silly as claiming that Sanders is a commie.

What--you take issue with any of that?

You're saying FLOTUS casts votes in the legislature?

Or Sanders IS a commie?

Come on, let's hear it.

smh. RIF.

[blackspade]

141. No problems here.

But you seem to be having a few making any kind of logical sense.
The point was that Clinton's record contains more than just votes.
Her support for various treaties and policies are very relevant as is her 'evolution' on them.

Do try to keep up.

[apcalc]

61. It's always EVERYONE ELSE....

everyone else is corrupt, a liar, in the tank, an establishment hack....

None of em want to take responsibility ..always someone else's fault.....

[beastie boy]

21. Have you looked at the responses in this thread?

They are full of ad hominem attacks and declaring Harry guilty by association. Not even an attempt to show where and how he is wrong.

This is what I find truly disgusting!

i may disagree with you about the reasonableness of the conduct of Bernie supporters; I may disagree with you about your chances of creating chaos at the convention; I may disagree with you on the effectiveness of your approach to solving the problems you listed; I may disagree with you on whether Harry is right or wrong; I may disagree with you on the future of the Democratic Party...

But I would never bash Nina Turner's person on account of my opinions.

I am surprised you don't find all the gratuitous smearing of Harry Reid, a distinguished veteran Democrat, anything but disgusting.

[JDPriestly]

24. Then why were Bernie supporters called Bernie Bros.

The entire Hillary defense is an ad hominem attack on Bernie supporters.

It's a matter of your point of view.

[Andy823]

29. Really?

In case you've been stuck in your Volvo listening to eight-track tapes the last four decades, woman are not treated like frail little flowers anymore! They are the equal of MEN in EVERY WAY. They are now police, firefighters, construction workers, sailors... every job type represented by the Village People is now commonly performed by a woman

That's exactly why it was so SHOCKING and DEGRADING to hear Bernie Sanders mention a WOMAN'S butt. This is 2015, and women have earned the right to not have their butt's mentioned, even idiomatically!

Let's get this straight: MEN have butts. WOMEN have unmentionable parts below their necks.

Clear, BernieBros?




Check out this link and see all the names that rec'd this post, and all the ones Manny called "Bernie bros" that responded to his post.

Of course maybe Manny real was a Hillary plant, right?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

For any jury. Manny was banned here on DU and is not an active poster.

[JDPriestly]

41. As a 72-year-old woman, I love being called a Begrnibro.

But I also know that the term was originally invented as a dig.

[Andy823]

65. The first time I heard it

Was from Manny. As I asked before was Manny a Hillary troll? Seems to me that the name did not bother those who posted on the thread I linked to, nor did it bother any of those who rec'd that thread. The new meme that it was all made up BS from the Hillary camp only started after so many of Bernie's "bros" started acting like assholes. I think the idea of blaming it all on Clinton was thought up by Weaver or Devine to get the heat of of them and Bernie for the actions of some of Bernie's supporters.

[Duval]

64. We are NOT equal in every way.

May I politely remind you of the fact that women do not get the same pay for the same work?

[Omaha Steve]

72. US News: The Clinton Foundation pays women less than the men

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-12/hillary-clintons-equal-pay-hypocrisy

By Peter Roff | Contributing Editor
May 12, 2016, at 3:20 p.m.

On a day when most every media outlet in the country is giving its full attention to the Donald Trump/Paul Ryan summit, out comes a report from The Daily Caller that should be of interest to anyone following the financial dealings of Hillary and Bill Clinton. Apparently the former and potentially future first couple "received at least $100million from autocratic Persian Gulf states and their leaders, potentially undermining Democratic president candidate Hillary's claim she can carry out independent Middle east policies."

It's a revelation that won't shock anyone. The Clintons are notorious for doing a cash-only business, as just about everyone knows. No one cares – though they should – whether a "pro quo" went along with the "quid" as the funds were being raised.

How they were spent is another matter, one that should have Democrats up in arms but won't. According to various reports, the Clinton Foundation pays the men who work there 38 percent more than it pays the women. The wage gap, which Hillary has identified as one of the nation's most pressing problems, appears to be alive and well and prospering under her own roof.

None of that will matter to Democrats as they vote in the remaining primaries. It won't matter to delegates at the convention. And it won't matter to the women who travel the country as surrogates for the former first lady during the November campaign. The rules, after all, are as different for her as they were for him once he got caught in an embarrassing abuse of his own power in the workplace that has come to be known as The Lewinsky Affair.

FULL story at link.

[zalinda]

93. And, of course, crickets...............from Hillary supporters. eom

[passiveporcupine]

73. So let me get this straight.

Women are now filling all the positions that men previously held. Women have become equal to men.

however, if we say "kick his butt", it's OK, but not "kick her butt"?

So we are still delicate little flowers after all?

Give me a break.

That was a loaded question in the first place. Bernie didn't start with the butt kicking, the news anchor did. And he never said her or Hillary, just some butt.

So it was OK to kick republican butt, but not your current rival's butt?

You guys just keep cracking me up.

I'm a woman...an older woman who got to see plenty of sexual intimidation and sexism in my time, but I don't understand this sudden now "women are so fragile, they need their own special language" before this race.

You KNOW it's not sexist. You KNOW Hillary is trying to make every fucking thing about sex in this campaign, and you are all falling all over yourselves going along with it.

You make women out to be the weakest and whiniest forms of human life I've ever seen.

Well fuck that shit. I am a 66 year old woman and I have a butt and I'm proud of it. And if someone want to try to kick my butt, they are welcome to try. I won't consider it "sexist". I will consider it a challenge. I guess Hillary is just not up to the challenge, so she has to turn everything into sexism.

[pmorlan1]

128. Great Post

I'm right there with you. I've been a feminist since the 70s and what passes for sexism on DU these days is pathetic. The Hillary campaign is setting women back decades with this nonsense.

[beastie boy]

37. You are not serious, are you?

Are you suggesting we forget the thread and go into tit for tat of who called whom what and when?

What has it got to do with Harry and Nevada?

One thing is for sure: I am no longer surprised you find all the garbage thrown at Harry acceptable...

[Gavile]

102. So has Bernie...

[KamaAina]

10. I'm just mild about Harry!

[underthematrix]

11. Bernie supporters don't handle the truth well.

it is what it is.

[wisteria]

16. +1111

[mindwalker_i]

19. Hillary supporters ignore the truth

as long as it benefits their chosen one.

[JohnnyRingo]

58. Most of them here didn't even read the article

After all, they can't be bothered with facts at a time of war.

In it Harry expresses support for Sanders, even lauding his wishes to remain in the race until the convention. The article states that Reid is Bernie's greatest ally in the senate and he called Sanders to avert the very trouble his people caused.

It just shows that to Bernie Bros you're either 100% with them or your a no good piece of shit Republican. That's a good reason people don't like them.

[sufrommich]

12. So do I.Good for Harry for putting it

in plain terms.

[PatrynXX]

13. Harry the leading Conservadem???

thunk duh. I'd say what happened in Nevada is the beginning of troubling times of Anarchy ahead. But when I think of Conservadems/Blue Dogs, Harry is always at the top of the list. You change the rules at the last minute people cry foul and thats what happened.

[kiva]

20. If anyone has seen video footage of chairs being

thrown, or hurled, or whatever term you like, could you please post it?

I was there and didn't see chairs or any physical objects thrown. I've viewed more than a dozen videos and haven't seen anything beyond some invectives being tossed around. I've asked four other people who were sitting in other areas, and none of them saw anything being thrown.

As far as I can tell, this comment started with Jon Ralston. Ralston is usually a reasonably good source, but I have seen nothing to back up his statement, so if you know of any evidence could you please post a link? Thanks.

[Mark 750]

27. Was there too!

I saw no chairs thrown. I was up front where the crowd formed. One video shows someone lifting a chair, then putting it back down. Yes, Jon Ralston should answer to this. You know he is featured on MSNBC for Nevada politics. Make your own conclusions. Don't they have Brian Williams on the payroll?

[kiva]

80. Ralston is really pimping this story,

probably because the news outlets are much more receptive to "Bernie supporters are scary" than "State chair is incompetent and dishonest". Ralston repeated the lie that Bernie supporters booed Nina Turner, despite her own denial that it never happened. He also uses Lange's glamour shot, not the crazed, gavel thumping image that she showed to the convention. Frankly I wonder if he was even there.

[MariaThinks]

22. Reid is a perceptive leader

[Mark 750]

23. My Senator - I'm so ashamed

This guy is just a back room servant of the power elite. Weak, no energy, no leadership, distant, not a man of the people. I was told he didn't want Jesse Sbaih in CD3(my district) of Nevada to run because he was a Muslim.

Jesse was the one calling for a recount at the end of the Nevada convention.

It's sad we don't have real leaders.

[Android3.14]

25. It's like Harry wants the Democrats to lose

What a fricken' idiot.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

26. Bernie is agreeing with Harry off camera, so to speak. Count on it.

Bernie, like Harry, see ONE issue only after the convention.

Nothing else will matter to either of them once the decision is made, I dont need to say what that ONE thing is, liberals know

[Mark 750]

30. Maybe, maybe not

"Good thing we didnt have Bernie or Bust types in the 60's or we might very well still be fighting in Vietnam"

You know the Clinton's have vacationed with Henry Kissinger, right?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

31. Which has what to do with anything? Either you think a Hillary and Drumpf WH would be the

same or you dont.

If you do, then you belong on a right wing board, not here.

[Mark 750]

38. really - 2 choices only

Give Sanders a vote and we possibly wouldn't have your 2 choices. When my wife and I vacation with people, it definitely is with people that share our interests and common values. You should question her judgement or motives. I have.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

39. Adults have two choices in Nov, Bernie/Hillary or Drumpf...period

[Mark 750]

43. Jackie Wilson said - great Van Morrison song

I bought the album back in college, listening to it in my room with Village Voice front page - bones and skull
issue of the Watergate break-in taped to the door. Then got a draft notice - I wonder who was involved in that. Could it be Kissinger. That's how it matters. Please, adults - doesn't work.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

47. If you have that background and will sit back and let Drumpf take over, something went

wrong these 40 years.

[mac56]

76. Just can't accept a pleasant comment about a great musician, can you?

Just can't let it be nice for even a moment.

SMH.

[pkdu]

83. I did you forget you ended with your last sentence? Nt

[Mark 750]

92. Yes, my Democratic Party...

corporate, military industrial creep. Sit back? Just worked for the Bernie grassroots in Nevada. Join with Senator Sanders and defeat Trump and get our party back. OK?

[highprincipleswork]

28. Suspending Roberts Rules of Order in order to shut out the participatory process of people who were

legitimately there seems the great crime to me.

Keep on doing that, Harry Reid, and let's see where that gets ya.

I do expect more of the same from the Democratic Party. I hope they prove to be more clever than that, and he's definitely going to hear a word from me right now.

[Ed Suspicious]

32. You know what? Fuck that guy.

[Left Coast2020]

52. Apparently Harry forgot his morning enema.

[laserhaas]

87. Ha ha...good one

😎

[laserhaas]

86. Agreed

He does not speak fir Senator Sanders

[Ccarmona]

33. Take a Hike Harry

He's Against Bernie and against Alan Grayson; this guy is no hero to the Progressive cause. Retire already.

[jtuck004]

34. There too long, Harry. You've forgotten you are there to serve them. Thus the need for change. n/t

[7962]

36. Well, you know how "those people" can be!!

Go argue with your brother harry

[catnhatnh]

42. Chicago 1968

"The police are not here to create disorder. The police are here to preserve disorder." Quote by: Mayor Richard Daley. Source: 1968 Democratic Convention


Though your brother's bound and gagged
And they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago
Just to sing?

In a land that's known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair?
Won't you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring?

We can change the world
Rearrange the world
It's dying to get better-Crosby Stills Nash and Young-Chicago

[onecaliberal]

44. Go fuck yourself Harry. You are a disgrace.

[islandmkl]

105. here you go...

On Tue May 17, 2016, 06:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Go fuck yourself Harry. You are a disgrace.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1452723

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude and ott, attacking Dems like this us a violation of tbe TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 17, 2016, 07:04 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I suddenly felt like I was in 8th grade. Let's stay classy, folks.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: well-expressed sentiment...poster just used few words...unless Harry is a DU member, it isn't a call-out...and if he is a member, he deserves it
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nevada was a mess, I do not care which side you are on, business should not be done that way. Glossing it over does not help.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[onecaliberal]

114. Of course! Theyre stalking me now.

[Feeling the Bern]

48. Someone loves to polish those axhandles.

Harry, go give your faux poutrage someplace else please. Maybe if you attacked the Republicans like that, most of us on the left wouldn't yawn when you speak.

[Metric System]

49. He's right but he's wrong in his assessment of Bernie. Bernie encourages this crazy crap.

[Duval]

67. Your comment made me laugh. nt

[jalan48]

51. Go back to sleep Harry.

[pacalo]

53. Reid & Barbara Boxer were there to provide muscle to the wrongdoing.

Reid is a joke when he can only stand up to his own constituency as a political favor.

I'm not impressed at Boxer's selling her soul to help her former son-in-law's sister Hillary, either.

[trueblue2007]

56. Oh, i think Bernie knew... I'm sure if Bernie found out about it, he would not accept what happened

"I'm sure if Bernie found out about it, he would not accept what happened there,"

[frylock]

57. Of course he does, bless his heart.

[BigBearJohn]

66. Yes Harry, maybe next time we should all bend over and

ask you to pass the Vaseline

[JEB]

68. How dare the serfs interrupt the coronation.

[longship]

69. An absolutely horrible thread.

Despicable! From all sides.

For shame on you all! Such childish behavior.

[w4rma]

75. Good bye, Reid. You left a whole lot of trash in your state party for the rest of us to clean up. nt

[bunchofpenguins]

77. The Democratic Party is doing it's best to piss away any and all support from liberals.

Good job you pathetic excuse of a corporate wasteland.

[Thinkingabout]

78. If Sanders sanctions this behavior then he disrespects himself.

[laserhaas]

100. Yup...he's a tool

[Baobab]

103. Harry "stepping stone to single payer" Reid and the cover up of G**S ...

cover up of the little known deal in 1994-1995

read my SlG link#1

[blackspade]

108. Reid is full of shit on this one.

The convention was obviously rigged.

[Bonobo]

110. The man has been a sparkling example of a big-talk do-nothing so Ho-Hum. nt

[dicksmc3]

111. Get going Harry!!

Harry you are not looking for re-election so get the fuck out of the caucuses and primaries!! You disrupt the true Democratic principles with your bullshit!! Go have a glass of orange juice with Wasserman Schultz!! It's past time the Establishment moves over for the people to decide on the candidate without all the deception you and other Establishment assholes bring to the primaries and now the to the caucus in Nevada.. JUST GO AWAY HARRY!!

[Darb]

112. It's UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU, HARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How dare you say anything about the wonderful, passionate, caring, delicious bernies.

[cantbeserious]

126. Harry Reid In Bed For HRC - Blaming The Victim As Usual

eom

[AtomicKitten]

130. I blame Reid for cheating in Nevada.

Jon Ralston / USA Today (February 20, 2016):

I’d like to congratulate the winner of the Nevada Democratic caucus: Harry Reid. The story of the Nevada caucus is that a lame-duck senator and a self-neutered union conspired to revive the Clinton campaign in a remarkable bit of backroom maneuvering that helped Madame Secretary crush Sanders in Clark County, the key to winning almost any statewide election. The senator decided he would single-handedly save the state for Clinton. A gamble? Yes. But like going all-in with a straight flush. And it paid off.

Clinton voters bused in to caucus w/o registering:

“They’re letting them into the caucus right now without registering them,” a woman can be heard yelling as a steady line of people stream by.

“They’re going to do the count. They’re all going to be part of the count,” anther woman can be heard saying in reply.

“But they’re not registered,” a man says.

“They will register after this,” the woman can be heard saying.

“Clinton supports caught BREAKING the rules,” Porter writes in the video description. “This just happened at caucus location in Nevada. Hillary supporters were not registering to caucus, which is NOT allowed by the Democratic Party.”

[MrMickeysMom]

132. He holds people accountable than cannot be seen doing anything out of order...

On the contrary, they were protesting because the chair threw out the Rule OF order, even before voting ON the rules.

Robert's Rules apply, unless you're trying to purposely be deceptive. But, you're willing to think something happened that did not, Harry.

... That's a bad sign, Harry.