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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:58 PM May 2016

Senator: Parents should be able to sue government for bathroom crimes

Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Senate Judiciary Chairman Josh McKoon, R-Columbus, a leading proponent of “religious liberty” legislation, is calling on state attorney generals across the country to fight the Obama administration’s directive on public school bathrooms.

He also plans to file legislation to waive the government’s sovereign immunity from lawsuits if the Obama directive is implemented.

The White House’s guidance last week directed public schools to allow transgender students to use bathrooms that match their gender identity, intensifying the debate over LGBT rights that’s already raging as the Obama administration battles North Carolina over the policy.

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/senator-parents-should-be-able-to-sue-state-over-b/nrNZc/

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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
1. Does that mean if your son is attacked in a high school bathroom, you can sue?
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

I went to one inner city high school where the girl's potties were 100% safe and the boys (regardless of sexual identity) learned to hold it in for fear of being assaulted.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
17. Yes, but it will NEVER be passed....
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

The main reason the Catholic Church has been sued for pedophilia is that the Catholic Church has assets to PAY if the plaintiff wins AND can not cite Sovereign Immunity to avoid having to pay for any wrong doing.

Sovereign Immunity is the doctrine that "The King can do no wrong" (and since 1776 "King" has meant the State and since 1787 that has included the Federal Government). On the other hand the "King's" agents can do wrong and be sued, but the state itself can NOT be (Unless it agrees to such lawsuits). The classic example of this is someone loses his Claim for Social Security, and sues the Social Security Administration. That is a claim against the Government and Sovereign Immunity kicks in and the case is dismissed. On the other hand if the Plaintiff had sued the Secretary of the Social Security Administration, that suit is VALID for the plaintiff is NOT suing Social Security, but the agent of the "King" in charge of Social Security.

In the Catholic Church pedophilia cases, any priest, teacher or other employee of the Church, can be held an agent of the Church, and as an agent under the control of his employer and any act by such employee is treated as an act of his principal (i.e. any act of an employee, within the employment situation, if it makes the employee liable, makes his employer liable). Notice the difference, with a private employer, the employer is liable for the acts of his employee within the employer-employee relationship, but the very same act will not make an GOVERNMENT EMPLOYER liable for the same act done by a Government Employee do to Sovereign Immunity.

Thus, while the same percentage of Public School students are sexually assaulted by their teachers, as are students at Catholic Schools, you do NOT hear of such cases for the only judgement the victims can get is against the Teacher NOT the School. It is almost impossible to collect on such Judgments, for such teachers generally lose their jobs and their income (so wage attachments is out) and most are married and you can not sell marital assets for the debts of one spouse (and on top of that most states exempt any retirements funds from attachment). In simple terms, you can sue a public school teacher, but you will not collect much money, even if the Jury comes back with a multi-million judgement.

That is NOT true of the Catholic Church, it has assets to pay for the crimes of its employees and thus can be forced to PAY for such crimes.

I bring up the Catholic Church to show WHY this proposal to waive Sovereign Immunity will NEVER PASS. Every School District and the state itself will oppose such a waiver, the cost to such schools will be tremendous. In may home state the state will waive its immunity for damages caused by bad road repairs, but limited its liability to $1 million dollars per accident (NOT per victim, per accident AND only when the accident is CLEARLY the result of bad repair to the road, NOT deterioration or even bad design UNLESS the design clearly was the cause of the accident). Do to the POTENTIAL liability of Schools and the State under such a waiver of Sovereign Immunity, I do NOT see it occurring, even Republicans do NOT want to run up their state costs of running their state.

I suspect what the State Senator wants to do is waive FEDERAL Sovereign Immunity, but only the Federal Government can do that. The States themselves can NOT waive Federal Immunity, I suspect that is what the Senator wants to do and the State can NOT do it. Once it becomes clear what he is proposing is either Unconstitutional (i.e. the state can NOT impose something on the Federal Government UNLESS the Federal Government agrees to such imposition) OR waive State and Local immunity, and everyone in the State, County and Local Government will oppose such a waiver.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
2. Yeah, parents of LGBT students should be able to sue religious bigots for bullying their kids
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:01 PM
May 2016

yup

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
3. They are really milking this issue, aren't they?
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

and why do they always label legislation the opposite of what it accomplishes, "religious liberty" indeed.

Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #3)

underpants

(182,826 posts)
8. Yes they are. This is really the third step in their Fustercluck
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

We are all now focused on this issue and their side is digging in, our side is walking by laughing, and the middle type folks are aghast at what they are seeing.

So, how did THEY (The Republicans) get here?

The first step was a really smart move on their part. Instead of spending tons of money on high profile Congressional or Senate races they allotted the tiny bits of money needed basically buy state houses. This was just after the shellacking they took in 2006 (we don't talk about that midterm) and 2008. A census was approaching and control of state houses meant control of districting. They caught the Dems flat footed and now we are more heavily gerrymandered than ever. This and the media are the only reasons the Republucans are still considered a national party.

Who should they get to run?
Well the Teabaggers became THE news story in 2009. They had nuts and whackadoodle coming out of the woodwork. Fine, here's enough money to get yourself elected. They just wanted numbers...what they got was a loss of all control.

What should we do now?
Once these people got in office they were hellbent on ACTION. No more waiting your turn and deferring to the senior leadership, nope it was NOW. Look at Cruz in the US Senate - first termers are supposed to shut up and do as they are told. Keep quiet to show you belong (Hillary, Franken, Kaine). But not these statehouse guys. They started implementing whacked out legislature from Kansas to North Carolina to Maine. Only in places like Virginia where a horrific choice for a Gubernatorial candidate (Cuccinelli) allowed for a Dem to win - McAuliffe- and he has been able to keep the nut house in check.

Why these laws?
The new firebrands simply didn't understand how the game was played. Issues like abortion and supposedly protecting gun rights are perfect for one issue voters. You don't actually DO anything about them you let the radio and TV mouthpieces divert attention and you get re-elected. What NC did with HB2 was unthinkable 10 years ago. You don't actually pass this legislation - you propose it, the blah blah blah machinery goes into action, it's voted down, and you move on. Nope not these guys (and horrific anti-women's Right's all over the country) it was their time for ACTION and that action was to keep digging deeper into their hole.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
15. Very difficult to quantify...
Mon May 16, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

If every student who was every 'bullied' was able to sue the district.... There wouldn't be a district any more.

Anything that crosses over into actual assault etc... should already be addressed by regular law.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
11. It follows that they would go from the bedroom to the bathroom
Mon May 16, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

The bathroom tactic worked 40 years ago for the Republicans--primarily in the south--to scare everyone
about the Equal Rights Amendment. There were 15 states that didn't ratify it--mostly in the south--
and one of the rationales that was used to great effectiveness by Phyliss Schlafly was to scare people
that it would mean unisex bathrooms and women would find men coming in the bathroom.

They have trotted out the same, tired, old argument, that women (and children) will be at risk if
trans women are allowed to use the bathroom that matches their gender identification. Nothing
could be further from the truth, but it gives people--who hate LGBT and don't believe they should
have equal rights--who are ignorant an argument to use that seems to 'make sense' to them.



Jeb Bartlet

(141 posts)
16. Is there some prize
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

for stupid that these Republicans are trying so hard to win? There are already laws against assault and rape, strange that this right wing "genius" isn't aware of that fact.

Is he going to have the penis police in place to examine every dick tht goes into a bathroom to make sure it's real and original equipment?

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
18. Well didn't Grover Norquist say
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom" so it can look under stall doors!

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