US Military Academy Investigates Black Female Cadets For 'Black Power' Gesture In Photo
Source: Independent UK
Feliks Garcia New York 38 minutes ago
The US Military Academy, commonly known as West Point, launched an inquiry into a group of 16 black, female cadets set to graduate after they posed in a traditional group photo raising their fists - a gesture historically associated with black resistance.
The image prompted an investigation on 28 April to determine whether or not the women broke any rules, West Point spokesperson Lt Col Christopher Kasker said in a statement. Department of Defence guidelines prohibit soldiers and cadets from making political statements while in uniform or on military grounds.
Criticism of the gesture flooded social media streams accusing the women of aligning themselves with the Black Lives Matter movement, which rose to public consciousness after the high profile killings of unarmed black men by police officers.
Army Times, a weekly newspaper that serves active and retired US Armed Forces personnel, said that numerous readers sent in letters that the gesture was, in fact, in violation of the DOD guidelines.
Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/west-point-black-women-us-militarty-academy-fists-up-black-lives-matter-a7018746.html
matt819
(10,749 posts)But I will put money on the likelihood that there are tons and tons of other photos out there showing nail cadets of any number of colors and ethnicoties in curious poses.
Just a matter of time before these begin to turn up.
The response by West Point should be interesting.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)it is a really cool picture.
In the past they have ignored rampant sexual harassment....but THIS needed to be investigated.
Califonz
(465 posts)of weather monitoring stations above the Arctic Cirlce?
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Sexual harassment should be stopped, no question. But this is no different than if some white guys had donned KKK hoods for a picture.
Racial tensions will only escalate, until people view themselves as human first, and a race second. We need to cooperate to survive.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)this:
with this?
Seriously?
Racial tensions will only escalate, until people view themselves as human first, and a race second. We need to
cooperate to survive.
Sure, and white people will start doing this when exactly?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)"Black power" simply means standing up for themselves on those issues unique to black people and more generically, not being ashamed to be black.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)JI7
(89,260 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)vs affirming their life matters
No need to guess much but gotta ask
Judi Lynn
(160,598 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)A bunch racists sent in letters complaining.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)we were told "there are no colors anymore except for green."
7962
(11,841 posts)And while they have every right to do it, they dont have the right to do it in uniform.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Like another poster said and I concur 100% everyone is green. They may believe in black power now but a tour in combat I suspect would cure that attitude.
MADem
(135,425 posts)minutes in the Services knows that only sour, ill-suited, admin discharge types didn't pose for these types of pictures with their shipmates/battle buddies after completing initial entry training, be it boot camp, Service Academy, ROTC or OCS.
And anyone who says otherwise is making it up on the fly.
The problem that some complainers are having here is that these women are BLACK. It's like they're not "allowed" to congregate in numbers, or something.
I'm so offended by some of the comments on this "Democratic" board--it's obvious that just putting Harriet Tubman on the goddamned twenty dollar bill is a first step on a long, long journey.
America--get used to it--this IS what America looks like, and it's beautiful.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Interesting Democratic Underground, the kind of people let on the website.
Actor
(626 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)... and segregation was prevalent. Not officially, of course, but somehow the clerks were of one race, the cooks of another. There were exceptions, but not many.
In my infantry AIT barracks, during down-time, we tended to hang out in same-race groups. No animosity displayed, just a bit of tension when running through the "other" area. (walking was not allowed, we had to run everywhere).
Perhaps things would have changed when the company was sent to VN. The army, in its infinite wisdom, sent me elsewhere.
(if it matters, this was mid 1960's)
Journeyman
(15,037 posts)Maybe all these women were doing was celebrating their accomplishments as they near the close of another academic year.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Big_Mike
(509 posts)It is against laws passed by Congress for military personnel to promote political causes while in uniform. It is doubly so for officers and cadets. This MUST be investigated, and if it was only solidarity for completion of some phase of training, then it is acceptable and even admirable.
If it is political in nature, they should all be punished, up to and including dismissed from the academy days before graduation, and serve their six year military obligation as enlisted soldiers as a court-martial should direct.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)cstanleytech
(26,313 posts)Keyword there being "If" and I assume the investigation will probably look into it and interview the cadets to determine their intent, if they did not have any such intent then they should be ok and this will probably just blow over.
Big_Mike
(509 posts)This could either be a misconstrued and misinterpreted picture. What matters is what the cadets message really is. You see hands raised in victory at sporting events all the time. If the gestures are for success in sports, academics, military history even, then all is well and good.
However, it is double-plus-ungood if the gesture is relating to politics. In street attire, they can and are encouraged to form whatever opinion they like. In uniform is an entirely different matter. Politics in uniform is an automatic third rail incident. Shoot another cadet, you may walk free or even be commended. Make a political statement in uniform beyond bless the USA or somesuch, and you should be a grease spot on the office carpet after punishment.
Judi Lynn
(160,598 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)downeastdaniel
(497 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That any branch of DOD would waste a second "investigating" this bullshit.
Put a bunch of white, freckled jocks in the same pose--no problem. Put a bunch of white female cadets in the same pose--no problem. Put a bunch of Asian - Pacific Islander cadets in the same pose--no problem.
But put black people -- male or female -- in a pose expressing empowerment, and they've got a "problem?"
They need to fucking grow up, pardon my French.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)didn't investigate it. And the freepers would probably be having the same discussion we are. Some saying they did nothing wrong and others saying it was wrong. When soldiers are in uniform they represent the United States and are not allowed to express their personal politics.
That is a great picture though, minus the political gesture.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Are not going to be at West Point. I don't believe there's a lot of room there for bubbas, no I wouldn't be terribly surprised to read a report of racism at the military academies. After all, you have all sorts of religious discrimination at the Air Force Academy. But, hey, Smart African-American women? Got to put a stop to that shit right away.
That is adorable...
Clearly you've never known anyone whose gone to West Point
MADem
(135,425 posts)that would have to be "explained" to anyone who was a member on Democratic message board.
smh.
FWIW, they are not "expressing political beliefs." I can't believe you said THAT, either.... What, being black is "political" and "separate" (but maybe--or maybe not "equal" from "regular Americans?" for those who don't take the point.
Any more than this woman is "expressing a political belief:"
Is that a "political gesture?" Please. And think before you respond, because the frigging WAR DEPARTMENT put that poster out.
I'm even more offended now than I was when I wrote my first post.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)before you hit POST:
17. Put a group of white hicks doing the nazi salute and you would probably be offended if they
didn't investigate it. And the freepers would probably be having the same discussion we are. Some saying they did nothing wrong and others saying it was wrong. When soldiers are in uniform they represent the United States and are not allowed to express their personal politics.
That is a great picture though, minus the political gesture.
What's 'political' about being black? "Fighting for our rights" is ... POLITICAL?
It's not a "belief" -- this blackness thing. It's what is reflected in the mirror every day. It's REALITY--not "belief."
Why did you even mention "putting" that "group of white hicks doing the nazi salute" if you weren't comparing them? You sure as hell said THAT should be "investigated."
Sounded EXACTLY like a comparison to me. The greatest shame? Comparing a bunch of Nazi-saluting white hicks to these accomplished women cadets expressing personal pride who are about to graduate. That's just incredible to me.
Keep doubling down, though. smh.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Agreed.
Very much agreed.
They would just say they were all thinking BEAT NAVY at the same time and put their fists up.
The photo would end up in the year book.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Equal rights is not political statement / it is just what is right - period.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)"guidelines prohibit soldiers and cadets from making political statements while in uniform or on military grounds"
They are already making a political statement by being in uniform on or off military grounds. Don't need a pic to see that.
You are teaching them to be strong. There is a picture in which they are demonstrating strong. Do you have trouble taking yes for an answer?
This investigation hurts our country. Stop it.
FuzzyRabbit
(1,969 posts)And many people are afraid of any blacks demonstrating strength and pride. So this photo of young black women is extremely scary to them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Especially on a Democratic board. It blows my mind, too, and I agree with your assessment that it is hurtful.
Funny how no one had a problem with this kind of "posing" at all the academies--none of that "Waah, they're in UNIFORM" whining....
I spent decades in the military and get a check every month from our dear Uncle Sam in gratitude for that time. If this non-incident had crossed my desk for judgment, I would want to know what bitter troublemaker was being a morale busting asshole and stirring up shit for savage amusement...
All anyone has to do, if they want to see all sorts of "posing in uniform" pics, is peruse the facebook pages of kids on active duty. Some are artful, some are just dumb, but it's what kids do. This isn't the exception with the young ones, it's the damn rule.
It's not like they have their boots on the necks of enemy corpses, or they're holding up severed heads and cackling about it. They're getting ready to graduate, to scatter to the four winds, and they're memorializing--with their friends-- a tough four year slog through a miserable, constricting, rules-and-regs course of instruction that would break the backs of most kids their age.
I really think the roots of this "investigation" lie smack-dab in RACISM, and that is what OFFENDS me mightily.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Speaking out without saying a word
AWESOME
TipTok
(2,474 posts)In any way...
At all...
Paulie
(8,462 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)new wallpaper.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)lordcommander
(215 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Needless to say, black people can never have the luxury of disregarding the relevance of our own race in whatever situation we find ourselves in.
Had these women been white, doing the exact same thing, no one would care about it.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)people dont even know exists.
Yes, being black in America, walking out your door black, is both a political statement and a risk, given our police forces.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)Easy peasy...
They don't need to lose careers for it but they need to have some significant consequences.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)How is this political? The question is repeatedly asked, and you certainly don't have the answer.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I would hem these folks up as I would anyone who went to a political rally in uniform or was pushing their Soldiers to sign a petition for or against the social issue of your choice.
They have every opportunity to do it on their own time but doing it in uniform implies an authority and approval that isn't theirs to give.
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TipTok
(2,474 posts)That would apply to anyone pushing an agenda, political or social or both, while in uniform.
They are free to do that in their off time.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Nevertheless, it would be best to avoid making political statements while in uniform.
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Roy Rolling
(6,928 posts)Military people in uniform are not allowed to make political statements or gestures. They are in uniform, they know the rules, they work for the military not themselves. By wearing that uniform they have willingly checked their personal political beliefs at the door while in uniform and sometimes out of uniform, while serving active duty.
I may agree with their political beliefs, but I don't want splinter-group members of the U.S. Military violating their oath to advertise those beliefs while in uniform.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Additionally, these are future officers. They will be expected to lead enlisted ranks of all races and ethnicities.
This little stunt has already handicapped their leadership abilities.
lostnfound
(16,189 posts)And in this case it means, I have overcome.
I think the photo is pretty cool.
lostnfound
(16,189 posts)If WestbPoint was smart, they'd use it as such, and move on.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)having made it through what most people couldn't. Try to see it more as the glue that kept them together and strong.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Rules against this type of activity in uniform are crystal clear.
It deserves a small punishment.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Do you mean having s photo taken? Damn these black people! Guess having your photo taken while back is now an offense, unless they're mug shots.
madville
(7,412 posts)they mean making a political statement while in uniform and/or on active duty. It falls under the UCMJ, Officers actually have additional restrictions that Enlisted don't. Many of the restrictions on active duty apply 24/7, even if they aren't in uniform or at work.
There are all kinds of restrictions on active duty members. Like it is against the UCMJ for an active duty member to have a political sign on their personal vehicle larger than a bumper sticker. Military members get investigated all the time for facebook/instagram/whatever posts and pictures these days.
Shows poor judgment, hope it doesn't negatively impact their careers though. Investigations can make an impact on future promotion boards.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)When in doubt, call those who disagree with you a racist.
Certainly simple...
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....very strict.
sinkingfeeling
(51,469 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Can't shake up the old boys, can we? I've always hated being around too many officers all at the same time.
Usually, they are just looking to bust people's asses over stuff. Usually, it's to explain why a grunt, who just ruck marched for 25 miles and seriously needs chow, a shower and some rest did not salute them properly.
BTW, for those of you out there considering a military career, go enlisted.
An officer's career is too political, as you can see.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)and raise your fist, people assume it's some scary black power movement signal.
On the list of things black people are not allowed to do that white people can do: Raise your fist.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)torturing thousands and killing over a million.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)Just look at the two photos: the photo of the cadets (in the OP = from the article
in the Independent) and the Black Power one posted by Kelvin Mace (in reply .7).
There is no comparison. There is not even a close similarity.
I remember seeing the Black Power salute at the Olympics (on TV).
They got out their glove, put it on and raised their arm in a straight salute.
The ladies at West Point have all got bent arms, many not even raised above
their shoulders, in a casual group of friends/comrades.
It isn't surprising that a bunch of bigots saw a photo showing not only "black" people
but "black" women - and successful ones at that - then decided to make a
huge fuss about it. They do that a lot.
It *is* surprising that so many here decided to blindly suck up the bigots' attack
and support it from the "military law" approach without even stopping to look at
the damn photo for long enough to realise what they are really seeing.
Yes, military law about political/social commentary in uniform is very clear.
That still has nothing to do with this photo as the only "social commentary" aspect
is that those black female cadets have won through persevering to the end.
FWIW, the weirdest thing about the whole photo for me (i.e., other than the ridiculous
racist fuss being trumped up about it) is that in those uniforms and with that
background, they look more like Civil War reenactors! (My first impression was
"Why are they wearing Confederate outfits?" Maybe that's the reason why the
bigots are upset?