College free speech: Hecklers on NC campuses under scrutiny
Source: Associated Press
College free speech: Hecklers on NC campuses under scrutiny
Emery P. Dalesio, Associated Press
Updated 3:19 am, Wednesday, April 27, 2016
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) Hecklers who shout down speakers on North Carolina's college campuses could be punished under a proposal being floated before lawmakers that would make this state the newest battleground over free speech at U.S. universities.
Lt. Gov. Dan Forest is proposing that the state's 17-campus public university system create a policy that includes punishments for "those who interrupt the free expression of others." With their annual legislative session opening this week, North Carolina lawmakers are expected to join a half-dozen states that have taken up free-speech legislation for public campuses.
Freedom of speech has become contentious on campuses nationwide. Some students have complained against free expression they say is stoking racial tensions or glossing over sexual misconduct. Others say that amounts to suppressing speech.
Forest' proposal hasn't yet been presented as legislation and he declined an Associated Press request for an interview about the details. But he spent months describing his ideas on talk radio and conservative websites.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/College-free-speech-Hecklers-on-NC-campuses-7377916.php
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)- Justice Abe Fortas in the majority opinion in Tinker vs. Des Moines 1965
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/educate/educator-resources/lessons-plans/landmark-supreme-court-cases-elessons/tinker-v-des-moines-1969/
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)tried to foist such shit on them today. Especially if they are black.
They give it up, and any minor transgression is now likely to find them beaten, maybe even jailed.
School To Prison Pipeline -
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The United States school-to-prison link or school-to-prison pipeline is a term used to describe the increasing patterns of contact students have with the juvenile and adult criminal justice systems as a result of the recent practices implemented by educational institutions, specifically zero tolerance policies and the use of police in schools.[1] The term is currently a hot topic of debate in discussions surrounding educational disciplinary policies as media coverage of youth violence and mass incarceration has grown over the past decade or so.[1]
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)precident any court would consider if the students challenge the free speech issue in the OP.
Kids might laugh in our faces, but a little knowledge of the laws might help them in the long run.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)suppressing free speech. Unless you think that freedom of speech means the power to crush the freedom of speech of others. Expressing your views and protesting is fine but disrupting others' freedoms is not. Like all of our rights, the freedom of speech rights are sacrosanct as long as they don't impinge on the rights of others.
Take an abortion clinic for example. The anti-choice nuts can shout their views and protest all they want. That's freedom of speech. But it is illegal to impede the freedom of a woman to enter the clinic by locking arms at the entrance. Nor can they enter the clinic and disrupt the doctors from doing their jobs.
There is a legitimate purpose to preserving the free exchange of ideas on college campuses. It enriches students knowledge and teaches them to debate and defend their views. The fact that some students refuse to engage in debating an issue on the merits but would rather shout down or otherwise suppress the opposing view to win an argument is not conducive to a learning environment nor to a democratic society.
Be careful what you wish for. What if instead of passing a law that protects the freedom of all to express their views, this legislature and the many other RW legislatures around the country started banning left leaning speakers from giving speeches and otherwise disrupted progressives from expressing their views on campus because they became convinced that suppressing the free speech of their opponents was the way to win an argument.
That's what third world and non-democratic countries do to suppress criticism of the government. We should be better than that.
duplex
(32 posts)Thanks for taking the time to write such a compelling and accurate post, Akicita.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)campus activists start using attack dogs and fire hoses to stop people from expressing views they don't like. Seems like we are regressing on campus to an ugly past.
zazen
(2,978 posts)The UNC Board (and Spellings) haven't had a major meeting yet where students haven't disrupted/protested them.
This is aimed at those students and faculty, right?
unc70
(6,115 posts)The NC General Assembly and the governor are always trying to tear down The University. They have cut funding dramatically, year after year. The new University of NC System president, Spelling, is a RW hack from W's administration (Sec of Education). They all want everyone to knuckle under. It won't happen, not for long.
Unfortunately, running AGAINST the University, particularly against Chapel Hill, has been good RW politics for 125 years.
BTW expect to see lots more crazy things coming from the NC legislature this summer. This is their "short" session, supposedly to tweak the biannual budget. But it is also when they push all the stuff they could not pass during last year's long session. Much of this is pandering to the the Repub base; they eat this stuff up. Hope it backfires on them this election.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)The Young Americans For Freedom (aka, Yaffers) trains its
members on how to disrupt progressive campus presentations.
Let a hundred flowers bloom.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)(disrupting a class I was subbing as a prof at a state Univ in Ohio).
Didn't appreciate it much.
Retired now, but always tried to give students space to express their
views in my classes.
Found that, when I did so, the students would respect my right to
speak freely as well.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)If the Yaffers had continued to disrupt your class they should have faced discipline.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I tend to think of leftward leaning groups.
While it certainly isn't a blanket rule, right leaning folks tend to work through policy and law.
Virtually all of the hubbub last year about student protest involved left leaning groups. CS1950 with Glick etc...
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)I respectfully disagree.
The Rreich cares not a whit for order - unless it
leads directly to power for them.
Jeez Dude - we're talking Bundy's, Sovereign Citizenz,
and so much more violence from the Reich.
What you wrote is not at all true . .
". .right leaning folks tend to work through policy and law . ."
You mean like the Torture State?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I said as a culture...
I don't think anyone would honestly deny that protest movements are far more associated with movements of the left than they are of the right.
In American and Western culture at least...
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)protest is not disruptrion of university speech
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)protesting the rape and molestation of their women and girls by some of the refugees coming in.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,484 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:33 PM - Edit history (1)
Such as:
PHC Student, ex-Cuccinelli Student Outreach Director, Running for Purcellville Town Council
This is where it starts. Members of the school board get to lobby in favor of textbooks that favor the teaching of creationism. You have to be on the board to have a say. These local positions are of more importance than is often recognized.
The election is May 3. So far, he's being predictably bland. If he wins a seat, expect that to change.
The Towns of Hamilton, Lovettsville, Middleburg, Purcellville and Round Hill will hold elections for Mayor and Town Council on Tuesday, May 3, 2016.
Hamilton For Purcellville
by Lisa Mattackal
When Chris Hamilton was in middle school, he thought people who got involved with politics were crazy. But since then, hes changed his mind. On January 16 Hamilton, a PHC senior in the American Politics and Policy program, announced his candidacy for a seat on the Purcellville Town Council.
Ive realized that being in politics can help people, and keep the government from hurting people, Hamilton said. Thats what Im passionate about.
Hamiltons platform has three main components: promoting generational growth, protecting property rights, and stopping harmful exceptions for special interests. According to Hamilton, many of the new proposals to grow the town and incorporate new businesses into Purcellville will devalue local property and hurt small businesses.
{snip lots}
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,484 posts)Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:01 am
BY DEREK QUIZON
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) The "Jefferson Muzzles," those dubious awards shaming the nation's worst free-speech offenders, are taking aim at higher education this year from tarring those at Yale who warned students against donning culturally insensitive Halloween costumes to feathering others for muzzling the press and more.
This is the 25th edition of the awards announced each year around the April 13 birth date of Thomas Jefferson, the third U.S. president and ardent free speech advocate. The Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression said the campus-themed Muzzles respond to an "epidemic of anti-speech activity" at colleges and universities in 2015 and continuing.
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At the University of Missouri, a now-fired assistant professor made the Muzzles cut for her call for "some muscle" to remove a student photographer from coverage of a public demonstration.
And at Yale University, the center said, it took to task those who issued an advisory to students about Halloween costumes. That said, professors and others came to the defense of instructors who questioned the student advisory on costumes.
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The complete list of Muzzle winners is available at tjcenter.org/muzzles.
Derek Quizon is a reporter for The Daily Progress. Contact him at (434) 978-7265, dquizon@dailyprogress.com or @DPHigherEd on Twitter.
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The story also appears with a 12:44 a.m. time stamp as an Associated Press story.
ASSOCIATED PRESS |
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Follow Steve Szkotak at http://twitter.com/sszkotakap . His work can be found at http://bigstory.ap.org/content/steve-szkotak .
An epidemic of anti-speech activity swept across the campuses of American colleges and universities in 2015 and shows little sign of abating in 2016. Not long ago, these same institutions were at the vanguard of First Amendment issues; students demandedthen made powerful use ofexpanded speech rights on campus, and administrators held academic freedom sacrosanct.
These positions reflected a shared understanding that intellectual inquiry requires an environment in which debate is uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, even if it occasionally results in unpleasant or offensive exchanges. Today, however, the focus seems to be on limiting rather than promoting the open exchange of ideas. Students who once protested to have their voices heard now seek to silence those they disagree with or find threatening. Meanwhile, university administrators appear locked in a competition to determine which school will take the toughest stand against offensive, unpopular, and hurtful speech. First Amendment principles have given way to identity politics, trigger warnings, and so-called safe spaces, and the Free Speech Movement has, at many colleges, become the Anti-Speech Movement.
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The recipients of the 2016 Jefferson Muzzle awards are presented below, divided into the following five categories: Censorship of Students, Censorship by Students, Efforts to Limit Press Access on Campus, Threats to Academic Freedom, and Censorship of Outside Speakers.
1. Censorship of Students:
If you want to single out a tipping point in the spread of anti-speech activity on campuses last year, look no further than the University of Oklahoma. In March 2015, a video emerged showing a busload of tuxedo-wearing Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity members singing a racist chant. Within 48 hours of the video going public, OU president David Boren severed all ties with the fraternity and expelled two students identified as leading the chant. Imploring other administrators to adopt the same zero tolerance policy against racist speech, Boren vowed that OU would be an example to the entire country of how to deal with this issue. Unfortunately, he was right. Robert Shibley of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) notes that colleges have seized on the University of Oklahomas unconstitutional actions as a signal that they have an all clear to toss free speech and basic fairness out the window. Borens actions were both clearly unconstitutional and extremely populara dichotomy that we will see repeatedly among this years Muzzles. Most importantly, though, the OU expulsions set the bar for nearly every incident to come. Anything less than zero tolerance would be condemned by many campus communities as a tacit endorsement of exclusionary or inflammatory rhetoric.
2. Censorship by Students:
Shortly before Halloween, the Intercultural Affairs Committee at Yale sent an email to students cautioning them against wearing costumes that could be perceived as culturally unaware or insensitive. When one professor had the temerity to gently and respectfully suggest that students might be capable (and perhaps even better off) navigating these waters themselves rather than relying on university oversight, she was condemned, shouted down, and ultimately chased off campus.
3. Efforts to Limit Press Access
4. Threats to Academic Freedom
5. Censorship of Outside Speakers
Google SAE Oklahoma at DU
All this talk of Jefferson has me in the mood of riling people up. Here's a blast from the past (March 2015):
Why expelled Oklahoma frat boys would have an excellent chance in court
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)students are not only prohibited from protesting events but may also be required to attend them. This may be the first step in something like that.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Sounds as if they are only at "liberty" to carry weapons to silently (they hope) threaten others.
Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)The Republicans would very much like to be able to control the dialogue on campus. They choose the leaders, the leaders choose who is allowed to speak and woe be unto anyone who might choose to disagree.
It's tough getting right wing ideas heard on NC campuses and the NC legislature knows it. This is their way of creating a climate that is if not more friendly to their ideas at least won't argue with them as they get shoved down the throats of the unwilling students.
Like the stupid bathroom law this is social engineering disguised as a problem that needs addressing.
Republicans are quick to limit the rights they find objectionable in their march to control all we say and do.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)will probably get a pass, methinx.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Would the pepper spray and truncheons be holstered? I don't think so.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences arising from free expression of ideas that others disagree about. Rather, the first amendment simply guarantees the right from laws that prohibit free expression. It does not guarantee that audiences will not be hostile.
However, legislation against heckling is itself a direct infringement of speech. It attempts to prevent free expression a priori.
What we really need is respect and civility in public discourse. That comes from democratic values, not from legislation.