Pope: Sanders encounter sign of good manners, 'nothing more'
Source: Associated Press / Boston Herald
"When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more. This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics. If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist," the pope said.
Popes rarely travel to countries during the thick of political campaigns, knowing a papal photo opportunity with the sitting head of state can be exploited for political ends.
But Francis has been known to flout Vatican protocol, and the meeting with Sanders was evidence that his personal desires often trump Vatican diplomacy.
"His message is resonating with every religion on earth with people who have no religion and it is a message that says we have got to inject morality and justice into the global economy," Sanders said.
Sanders said the meeting should not be viewed as the pope injecting himself into the campaign.
The invitation to Sanders to address that session raised eyebrows when it was announced and touched off allegations that the senator lobbied for the invitation.
But the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, said he invited Sanders because he was the only U.S. presidential candidate who showed deep interest in the teachings of Francis.
Read more: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/04/pope_sanders_encounter_sign_of_good_manners_nothing_more
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)So stop it. Just fucking stop it.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)People who think they know better love to try to trap the Pope in their little plans.
longship
(40,416 posts)Kim Davis' meeting was set up by one of her lunatic fundie followers. And Kim Davis DID trap the Pope.
Bernie did not. HE WAS FUCKING INVITED BY THE VATICAN.
Please stop! Just stop this madness.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the Papal Nuncio in Washington, D.C. Fortunately, it cost him his job just a couple of weeks ago.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)set this whole thing up.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)UPDATE: Apparently this is all part of some vicious infighting among the Vatican's social scientists:
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday....He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.
A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first. "This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said [Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez] Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.
An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.
Well then.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/bernie-sanders-has-really-pissed-margaret-archer
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)The Vatican press office issued a statement making it clear the invitation was not from the Pope but from Monsignor Sorondo -- of the Academy, not the Vatican.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Quite the opposite.
By all means though, continue removing all doubt.
Bernie Sanders = Kim Davis....
That's what we are up against. And "Bernie Bros" are the fucking insane people right? 33,000 posts here and that's what you are offering. A true DU treasure.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Maybe someone should....in this moral economy....pay the victims of sexual abuse.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Maybe you ought to not? 'Cause i'm trying to maintain some respect for at least a few Clinton supporters, and you're making the task monumentally difficult.
George II
(67,782 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)transparency page. You make a lot of mistakes.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)set up by conniving members of the Church hierarchy at the request of Americans with a political agenda. I am waiting to see if the good Cardinal who did the little commedia in 'inviting' Bernie gets the same treatment as the Papal Nuncio who set up Kim Davis' little 'meet and greet' with the Pope. The Nuncio was just recently fired - oh, I'm sorry - he 'resigned', probably to spend more time with the wife and kids.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)he has no wife and kids, but he was "retired" for his shenanigans
Having said that, this Academy, the scholars are appointed by the Pope. The Pope can also remove them. So, I expect to see some scholarly "retirements" as well as the Monsignor that were involved.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I'm just not finding this whole thing funny, so I'm a bit cranky about it.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)even obliquely. If anything, it was about the pope looking to ingratiate himself with American progressives by associating himself with their darling. The meeting would not have taken place if Francis and his image doctors had not wanted and specifically planned it.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)all defining politics, the mans a politician nothing more nothing less, and the band plays on....
All we can hope for is we someday learn from all these mistakes we continue to accumulate and recycle.....
riversedge
(70,281 posts)beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:07 PM - Edit history (1)
hang around at 6 am.
"This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there. ... He knew I was leaving at that time and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife and another couple who were with them," the pope told reporters traveling back with him to the Vatican.
I guess he DID see the Pope.
So did I. In 1979 at St. Patrick's in NY. And he had the kindness to greet me too. And a couple standing next to me. And about 1,000 people standing next to them. As a matter of good manners.
Oh, and I invited myself to see the Pope too.
What an amazing string of coincidences!
...Can't wait to hear a "But...Hillary!" response. I never get enough of those.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)It wasn't 4:00 AM. It was 6:00 AM. Senator Sanders was staying in the guest house in which the Pope resides, on the same floor. The night before, Vatican staffers had told Sanders to be in the lobby at 6:00 AM if he wanted to meet Pope Francis prior to the Pope's flight to Lesbos.
Had Sanders not shaken the Pope's hand, and thanked him for the invitation to the conference, and the lodgings, you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs about what a shocking display of ingratitude it was on Sanders's part, and how thanking your host is simply common courtesy.
But feel free to continue doing your candidate a disservice by attempting to mock Senator Sanders' Vatican visit. In any ridiculous way you can.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Surely you didn't make it up yourself!
A link to your source would be very useful in furthering your credibility.
Until you do, however, pardon me if I continue to feel free to mock Senator Sanders' Vatican visit.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)If Mr. Sanders were in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 a.m. the next day, he would be able to speak briefly with Francis as the pope headed to the airport for his Saturday trip to Greece, where the pope would be addressing the migrant crisis.
So early Saturday morning, Mr. Sanders stood in the marble foyer, which looks out onto a large cobblestone drive just inside the Vatican walls. Joining him were his wife, Mr. Sachs and his wife and Bishop Sánchez Sorondo, the senators de facto Vatican fixer.
The pope, speaking to reporters on his plane later in the day, described the meeting. This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there, he said, adding, He knew I was leaving at that time, and he had the courtesy to greet me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican.html
Anything else you need help with?
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Because your source confirms everything in my post except the time.
perhaps you will now consider following my lead and edit out the "complete and utter bullshit" bullshit.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Again: Sorry you can't see that.
And no, I won't be changing the words "complete and utter bullshit" to anything else unless you're able to man up and admit that Bernie Sanders met the Pope by invitation from the Pope's staff. Sanders was standing in the lobby of the Domus Sanctae Marthae in exactly the spot, and exactly the time, that the Pope's staff had instructed him.
Your post mischaractizes the meeting, and you got called out on it. Sucks to be you. You tried to give the impression that Senator Sanders was just hanging around where he didn't belong, making a pest of himself, and forcing himself on the Pope. So I repeat: That's complete and utter bullshit.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)your source. If you have any objections to your source, I will give you a chance to find a new one.
And I am sorry to hear you are not as gracious as me in offering an apology when it is due. But I forgive you.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)In your post, you state that Senator Sanders invited himself to see the Pope.
My source makes it crystal clear that Senator Sanders met the Pope because the Pope's staff made it happen by sending instructions to Sanders as to where to be and when.
Really, it's pretty simple. And claiming that my source verifies your claim that Senator Sanders invited himself to meet the Pope is bullshit.
Honestly, though, this is getting played out, don't you think? Sorry I struck a nerve there when I called your bullshit out for what it was. But let's move on. There are lots of other threads out there. So better luck next time.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I'm just sorry that he was unable to concede that he was mischaracterizing the entire nature of the meeting. The time of the meeting was the least of it.
One thing strikes me about a lot of these Clinton supporters who are attacking (for whatever odd reason) Senator Sanders' Vatican visit. In general, they seem utterly clueless as to the political leanings of Pope Francis and Bishop Sorondo (fellow Argentinians who share many beliefs beyond Catholic dogma). Without that background, they're unable to place the recent events in context. But I digress.
Anyway, thanks for the support.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... wouldn't change your mind anyway.
Why do people at DU always disingenuously ask for links?
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Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I'm sure that now that he's been shown he was disseminating inaccurate information, he'll be quick to apologize.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Truly, I do. Apologies around here are about as rare as snowflakes in August, and I thank you for that one.
That said, see my post below (#47) regarding the other aspects of your original post.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Eagerly awaiting your apology on the "utter bullshit" bullshit.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Looking forward to your statements of facts. Rest assured, I will not expect an apology if I ever see them.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Whose nerve? Do tell! I want to share your joy.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Tsk, tsk, this is so disingenuous!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)The information in the link shows that virtually EVERYTHING in your post is wrong, not just the time. See my post below (#47).
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Because your source confirms everything in my post except the time.
perhaps you will now consider following my lead and edit out the "complete and utter bullshit" bullshit.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Namely:
1. Sanders wasn't "hanging around the Pope's residence" (your words). He was staying in the Pope's residence, the Domus Sanctae Marthae.
2. Sanders didn't "just happen to be there" (your words). He was instructed by the Vatican staff to be in that spot at that time.
3. Sanders didn't "invite himself to see the Pope" (as if that were even possible; again, your words). Pope Francis's staff reached out to Sanders and gave Sanders the instructions.
The entire characterization of the meeting in your post is wrong, not just the time. Sorry you can't seem to see that.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)1.Sanders was hanging around the Pope's residence, as per your source:
If Mr. Sanders were in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 a.m. the next day, he would be able to speak briefly with Francis as the pope headed to the airport for his Saturday trip to Greece, where the pope would be addressing the migrant crisis.
So early Saturday morning, Mr. Sanders stood in the marble foyer, which looks out onto a large cobblestone drive just inside the Vatican walls. Joining him were his wife, Mr. Sachs and his wife and Bishop Sánchez Sorondo, the senators de facto Vatican fixer.
Unless you can say with a straight face that standing in the foyer is not hanging around.
2. My comment on Bernie happening to be there was clearly facetious. Of course he didn't happen to be there. He was hanging around in the foyer on a tip from a Vatican insider. And even if you didn't provide me with this juicy tidbit, I wouldn't have imagined that Bernie was there by accident.
3. The Pope certainly didn't invite Bernie. Neither did anyone else, other than Bernie. I will consider a kinder phrase to describe what Bernie did if you can come up with one.
And the characterization of the meeting is not mine. It's the Pope's and Mr. Sachs'. I can't help you in correcting their utter bullshit.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)====================
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)Which forum is it in? Do share!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)Are they so worried that their beloved gal will look bad out huntin' for the bucks while principled Bernie helps poor people?
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)to be in response to the very nasty comments made by the Bernie supporters against Sec.Clinton that usually make no sense or are trying to play Trey Goudy with the past that is way behind us all and that the Sec. has addressed, even if they weren't listening. And then, Hillary supporters aren't allowed to say anything less than outright praise for Sen. Sanders with lots of alerts and hides and my mailbox is full of jury results.
I think it's a direct response to the Sanders supporters who have been Hillary-hating for over a year now, gets old.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
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2naSalit
(86,765 posts)I guess simply answering an honest question with an honest answer is not acceptable, who knew? Didn't realize that simply answering a question was something I should "move on" from in the LBN forum.
Wow.
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)Accusations of "very nasty comments," with no proof, no examples; followed by the intimation that only "outright praise" must follow for Senator Sanders.
Each candidate has their share of derisive, puerile supporters. Those of us who support Senator Sanders are no more likely to be "very nasty" than those of us who support Hi11ary.
(BTW, my mailbox is full of jury results, many of which were the consequences of frivolous alerts, primarily submitted by Hi11ary supporters attempting to hide pro-Bernie posts. hmm... Sound familiar?)
(P. S. Thanks for posting the link to the hummingbird nest cam.)
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Other reasons would include sour grapes and partisan-inspired pettiness.
... and declared, "Well, who wants to attend a Vatican conference anyway?"
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)some would say unclean, but I say unworthy
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)of "some say", haven't you?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Especially when you can sell dinner plates and selfies for $33,000 a pop. Hillary's time was much better spent. Cha-ching!
Vatican, Shmatican.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He himself said he will work with the Pope on the things he agrees with him on. Helping the poor IS one of the things they both agree.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)("He wasn't invited!" Yes, he was. "He won't meet with the Pope!" Yes, he did. "He didn't meet with him the right way!" , and just being generally rather unhinged ("He's a Pope Stalker!!1!@)
I don't love it because it's absurd and sad. Reminds me of the PUMA movement.
George II
(67,782 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)... on a first read. Help me out, here. Thanks.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)There are many things in the primary process that are dumb, and this to me is one.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Were I a Clinton supporter, I think my reaction to the Vatican visit would be, "Good for him. Let's talk about economic injustice--or any of the other myriad important issues facing this nation and the world generally."
Instead, some of the Clinton supporters on DU seem to believe that Sanders' Vatican visit must be attacked nonstop with innuendo, misinformation, sour grapes, envy, and all-around pettiness. It astonishes me how much energy they've been putting into it.
It only makes sense unless you view it as part of an overall, directed, campaign strategy. But I'm sure it isn't that. It simply couldn't be.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)I haven't seen Hillary's campaign do anything besides throw poop and hope it sticks, this entire campaign.
This particular "controversy" is just right-wing Democrats and Republicans smearing two good and honorable men.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)... was claiming that Senator Sanders rode in a Rolls Royce from the airport to the Vatican. Someone quickly called out the lie. He rode in a Chrysler 300 limousine, the standard vehicle for any diplomatic visits.
I've lost track, at this point, how many lies I've seen Clinton supporters telling about Sanders' Vatican visit. They've just been busy little beavers. Propaganda, meet Catapult.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Wonder when she'll invoke the notion of Soviet tanks rolling down Main Street if we elect a SOCIALIST.
(Personally, I picture troops from Holland goosestepping in wooden shoes.)
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Their obsession with it is unhealthy.