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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:03 PM Apr 2016

Pope: Sanders encounter sign of good manners, 'nothing more'

Source: Associated Press / Boston Herald



"When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more. This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics. If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist," the pope said.

Popes rarely travel to countries during the thick of political campaigns, knowing a papal photo opportunity with the sitting head of state can be exploited for political ends.

But Francis has been known to flout Vatican protocol, and the meeting with Sanders was evidence that his personal desires often trump Vatican diplomacy.

"His message is resonating with every religion on earth with people who have no religion and it is a message that says we have got to inject morality and justice into the global economy," Sanders said.

Sanders said the meeting should not be viewed as the pope injecting himself into the campaign.

The invitation to Sanders to address that session raised eyebrows when it was announced and touched off allegations that the senator lobbied for the invitation.

But the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, said he invited Sanders because he was the only U.S. presidential candidate who showed deep interest in the teachings of Francis.

Read more: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/04/pope_sanders_encounter_sign_of_good_manners_nothing_more

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Pope: Sanders encounter sign of good manners, 'nothing more' (Original Post) w4rma Apr 2016 OP
yes tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #1
... Bubzer Apr 2016 #8
yes, yes MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #2
Right!? Bubzer Apr 2016 #6
Oh WONDERFUL!!! hedda_foil Apr 2016 #3
Very Wonderful! Bubzer Apr 2016 #5
Kim Davis, redux. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #4
That's some ignorant stuff right there. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #11
Yep. 840high Apr 2016 #26
Bernie was invited; Kim Davis wasn't. longship Apr 2016 #12
Wrong. Kim Davis was invited by Washington D.C.'s top Vatican diplomat. pnwmom Apr 2016 #18
Not by the Vatican. longship Apr 2016 #20
Kim Davis' 'meeting' with the Pope was set up by COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #52
Do you think that Archer will lose her job over her disrespectful lie that she was called out on? nt w4rma Apr 2016 #86
No, but I'm not so sure about the Cardinal who COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #95
Which one of them lied to the public? Margaret Archer lied to the public. w4rma Apr 2016 #99
I misspoke calling him a Cardinal. I was referring to Sorondo, COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #100
Sanders was not invited by the Vatican. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #92
your candidate tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #14
100% this obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #30
Indeed. George II Apr 2016 #33
It seems the Hillary folks were expecting something more? Because Bernie's weren't. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #7
Kim Davis, redux. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #9
Repeating it doesn't make you sound any more intelligent SheenaR Apr 2016 #13
Your candidate tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #15
Not any less ignorant the second time you post it Scootaloo Apr 2016 #16
Dude....already you have the Vatican backing away. msanthrope Apr 2016 #17
No, I have you posting ignorant stuff at me Scootaloo Apr 2016 #19
Didn't take long for 5-minutes to shrink to a handshake. George II Apr 2016 #35
Just looked at your 840high Apr 2016 #27
Au contraire! Scootaloo Apr 2016 #28
It's essentially the same thing. A forced 'meeting' with the Pope COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #55
As the Nuncio is a priest DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #67
My poor attempt at a little humor. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #96
nah, I got the funny DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #98
Out of the Pope's mouth... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #102
Yep MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #10
It was just the Pope. It's not like another bird flew down to listen. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #21
that was the advance party tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #22
This was not about Sanders looking for an endorsement skepticscott Apr 2016 #23
Exactly, mind blowing how people ignore religions are run by the very actions of AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #29
It was Sanders pandering for the Catholic vote. Nothing more. riversedge Apr 2016 #82
A sign of good manners in the lobby of Pope's residence that Bernie just happened to beastie boy Apr 2016 #24
Utter bullshit on your part. Old Crow Apr 2016 #32
This is quite a wealth of detailed information! beastie boy Apr 2016 #37
Here you go. Old Crow Apr 2016 #40
Good enough. I am editing my post to reflect the 6 am time. The rest of it stands as is. beastie boy Apr 2016 #48
Again: The entire characterization of the meeting in your post is wrong, not just the time. Old Crow Apr 2016 #61
Everything in my characterization, except the time of occurrence, has been confirmed by beastie boy Apr 2016 #65
Well, now you're back to lying again. Old Crow Apr 2016 #69
The boy isn't worth your time Old Crow. Your insight and efforts are better spent elsewhere. Bubzer Apr 2016 #78
Thanks. I have nothing against Beastie Boy, personally. Old Crow Apr 2016 #88
You're both smarmy and presumptuous if you think anyone needs your "forgiveness" for anything. Bubzer Apr 2016 #77
What better response to contriving and defensive than smarmy and presumptuous? beastie boy Apr 2016 #97
I have a feeling a link to Old Crow's source... Beartracks Apr 2016 #41
Well, I'll give Beastie Boy the benefit of the doubt. Old Crow Apr 2016 #43
Thank you. I do apologize for getting the time wrong by 2 hours. beastie boy Apr 2016 #46
I appreciate your apology regarding the time. Old Crow Apr 2016 #49
Duly noted and responded. beastie boy Apr 2016 #56
I only apologize for mistakes, not statements of fact. See my post #61 above. (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #64
I found statements of fact in your source, and they confirm everything I said except the time. beastie boy Apr 2016 #68
LOL. Clearly I've struck a nerve. Old Crow Apr 2016 #70
You must have if you are telling me about it. beastie boy Apr 2016 #71
Perhaps because links confirm everything they say except the numbers on the clock? beastie boy Apr 2016 #45
Wrong again. Old Crow Apr 2016 #51
Good enough. I am editing my post to reflect the 6 am time. The rest of it stands as is. beastie boy Apr 2016 #44
Hah. You've changed the time. You've done nothing to correct everything else about your post. Old Crow Apr 2016 #47
Do you expect me to tell a lie? beastie boy Apr 2016 #54
Well, turns out I was right. n/t Beartracks Apr 2016 #59
I hope so. Would love to see the post in which you were right. beastie boy Apr 2016 #60
Indeed you were. See my post above (#61). (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #63
Yes. 840high Apr 2016 #25
But why do her devoted fans feel the need to bring this up from morning to night? Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #31
It appears 2naSalit Apr 2016 #34
Results of Jury grossproffit Apr 2016 #50
Thanks for posting! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #58
That alert proves your point, doesn't it? nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #79
This is getting old... chervilant Apr 2016 #72
In a word, Yes. Old Crow Apr 2016 #39
it's because she's unworthy tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #42
You've really mastered the Fox technique COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #57
I love to see the Sanders crowd pretending this is a positive development. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #36
+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #38
Yeah, 'cuz talking about economic injustice is such a waste of time. Old Crow Apr 2016 #53
It shows class. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #76
Yeah, like this Sanders ad "shows class": SunSeeker Apr 2016 #81
Jealous? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #83
Delirious? SunSeeker Apr 2016 #89
Laughing at the clumsy attempt at damage control. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #94
Talk about classless.... davidpdx Apr 2016 #90
I can see why you choose deflection rather than defending that Sanders Pope ad. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #91
You know Sanders isn't defending the Pope or any of the church's stances davidpdx Apr 2016 #93
I don't love seeing Hillary Clinton supporters being hypocrites, moving the goal posts Hissyspit Apr 2016 #80
Good manners on the part of Pope Francis, not reciprocal sadly. George II Apr 2016 #62
Can you explain that comment? Because it doesn't make a lick of sense... Old Crow Apr 2016 #73
I don't get this Bernie story controversy La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #66
That makes at least two of us. Old Crow Apr 2016 #74
Sanders did exactly what he said he would do. Hillary's followers trying to make random smears stick w4rma Apr 2016 #75
Someone even claimed there was something wrong about the car he arrived in. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #84
Indeed. In yet another lie, a Clinton supporter... Old Crow Apr 2016 #85
She didn't leave the Republicans with anything when she ran against Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #87
The Hillaryans need to let this go nichomachus Apr 2016 #101

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
18. Wrong. Kim Davis was invited by Washington D.C.'s top Vatican diplomat.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

People who think they know better love to try to trap the Pope in their little plans.

longship

(40,416 posts)
20. Not by the Vatican.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

Kim Davis' meeting was set up by one of her lunatic fundie followers. And Kim Davis DID trap the Pope.

Bernie did not. HE WAS FUCKING INVITED BY THE VATICAN.

Please stop! Just stop this madness.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
52. Kim Davis' 'meeting' with the Pope was set up by
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

the Papal Nuncio in Washington, D.C. Fortunately, it cost him his job just a couple of weeks ago.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
86. Do you think that Archer will lose her job over her disrespectful lie that she was called out on? nt
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
99. Which one of them lied to the public? Margaret Archer lied to the public.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

UPDATE: Apparently this is all part of some vicious infighting among the Vatican's social scientists:

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday....He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first. "This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said [Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez] Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.

Well then.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/bernie-sanders-has-really-pissed-margaret-archer

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
92. Sanders was not invited by the Vatican.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

The Vatican press office issued a statement making it clear the invitation was not from the Pope but from Monsignor Sorondo -- of the Academy, not the Vatican.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
13. Repeating it doesn't make you sound any more intelligent
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

Quite the opposite.

By all means though, continue removing all doubt.

Bernie Sanders = Kim Davis....

That's what we are up against. And "Bernie Bros" are the fucking insane people right? 33,000 posts here and that's what you are offering. A true DU treasure.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. Dude....already you have the Vatican backing away.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe someone should....in this moral economy....pay the victims of sexual abuse.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. No, I have you posting ignorant stuff at me
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you ought to not? 'Cause i'm trying to maintain some respect for at least a few Clinton supporters, and you're making the task monumentally difficult.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
55. It's essentially the same thing. A forced 'meeting' with the Pope
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

set up by conniving members of the Church hierarchy at the request of Americans with a political agenda. I am waiting to see if the good Cardinal who did the little commedia in 'inviting' Bernie gets the same treatment as the Papal Nuncio who set up Kim Davis' little 'meet and greet' with the Pope. The Nuncio was just recently fired - oh, I'm sorry - he 'resigned', probably to spend more time with the wife and kids.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
67. As the Nuncio is a priest
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

he has no wife and kids, but he was "retired" for his shenanigans

Having said that, this Academy, the scholars are appointed by the Pope. The Pope can also remove them. So, I expect to see some scholarly "retirements" as well as the Monsignor that were involved.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
23. This was not about Sanders looking for an endorsement
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

even obliquely. If anything, it was about the pope looking to ingratiate himself with American progressives by associating himself with their darling. The meeting would not have taken place if Francis and his image doctors had not wanted and specifically planned it.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
29. Exactly, mind blowing how people ignore religions are run by the very actions of
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

all defining politics, the mans a politician nothing more nothing less, and the band plays on....

All we can hope for is we someday learn from all these mistakes we continue to accumulate and recycle.....

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
24. A sign of good manners in the lobby of Pope's residence that Bernie just happened to
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:07 PM - Edit history (1)

hang around at 6 am.

Francis was on his way to Greece to highlight the plight of refugees and Sanders was wrapping up his trip to Rome when they met in the lobby of the pope's residence, the Domus Santa Marta hotel in the Vatican gardens. The Vermont senator had attended a Vatican conference Friday on economic inequality and climate change, and flew back to New York for campaign events on Saturday.

"This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there. ... He knew I was leaving at that time and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife and another couple who were with them," the pope told reporters traveling back with him to the Vatican.


I guess he DID see the Pope.

So did I. In 1979 at St. Patrick's in NY. And he had the kindness to greet me too. And a couple standing next to me. And about 1,000 people standing next to them. As a matter of good manners.

Oh, and I invited myself to see the Pope too.

What an amazing string of coincidences!

...Can't wait to hear a "But...Hillary!" response. I never get enough of those.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
32. Utter bullshit on your part.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

It wasn't 4:00 AM. It was 6:00 AM. Senator Sanders was staying in the guest house in which the Pope resides, on the same floor. The night before, Vatican staffers had told Sanders to be in the lobby at 6:00 AM if he wanted to meet Pope Francis prior to the Pope's flight to Lesbos.

Had Sanders not shaken the Pope's hand, and thanked him for the invitation to the conference, and the lodgings, you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs about what a shocking display of ingratitude it was on Sanders's part, and how thanking your host is simply common courtesy.

But feel free to continue doing your candidate a disservice by attempting to mock Senator Sanders' Vatican visit. In any ridiculous way you can.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
37. This is quite a wealth of detailed information!
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

Surely you didn't make it up yourself!

A link to your source would be very useful in furthering your credibility.

Until you do, however, pardon me if I continue to feel free to mock Senator Sanders' Vatican visit.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
40. Here you go.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016
But the most important words occurred in the middle of dinner, when a personal secretary for Francis arrived with the news Mr. Sanders had been hoping for, Mr. Sachs said.

If Mr. Sanders were in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 a.m. the next day, he would be able to speak briefly with Francis as the pope headed to the airport for his Saturday trip to Greece, where the pope would be addressing the migrant crisis.

So early Saturday morning, Mr. Sanders stood in the marble foyer, which looks out onto a large cobblestone drive just inside the Vatican walls. Joining him were his wife, Mr. Sachs and his wife and Bishop Sánchez Sorondo, the senator’s de facto Vatican fixer.

The pope, speaking to reporters on his plane later in the day, described the meeting. “This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” he said, adding, “He knew I was leaving at that time, and he had the courtesy to greet me.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican.html

Anything else you need help with?

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
48. Good enough. I am editing my post to reflect the 6 am time. The rest of it stands as is.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016


Because your source confirms everything in my post except the time.

perhaps you will now consider following my lead and edit out the "complete and utter bullshit" bullshit.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
61. Again: The entire characterization of the meeting in your post is wrong, not just the time.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

Again: Sorry you can't see that.

And no, I won't be changing the words "complete and utter bullshit" to anything else unless you're able to man up and admit that Bernie Sanders met the Pope by invitation from the Pope's staff. Sanders was standing in the lobby of the Domus Sanctae Marthae in exactly the spot, and exactly the time, that the Pope's staff had instructed him.

Your post mischaractizes the meeting, and you got called out on it. Sucks to be you. You tried to give the impression that Senator Sanders was just hanging around where he didn't belong, making a pest of himself, and forcing himself on the Pope. So I repeat: That's complete and utter bullshit.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
65. Everything in my characterization, except the time of occurrence, has been confirmed by
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

your source. If you have any objections to your source, I will give you a chance to find a new one.

And I am sorry to hear you are not as gracious as me in offering an apology when it is due. But I forgive you.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
69. Well, now you're back to lying again.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

In your post, you state that Senator Sanders invited himself to see the Pope.

My source makes it crystal clear that Senator Sanders met the Pope because the Pope's staff made it happen by sending instructions to Sanders as to where to be and when.

Really, it's pretty simple. And claiming that my source verifies your claim that Senator Sanders invited himself to meet the Pope is bullshit.

Honestly, though, this is getting played out, don't you think? Sorry I struck a nerve there when I called your bullshit out for what it was. But let's move on. There are lots of other threads out there. So better luck next time.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
88. Thanks. I have nothing against Beastie Boy, personally.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:36 AM
Apr 2016

I'm just sorry that he was unable to concede that he was mischaracterizing the entire nature of the meeting. The time of the meeting was the least of it.

One thing strikes me about a lot of these Clinton supporters who are attacking (for whatever odd reason) Senator Sanders' Vatican visit. In general, they seem utterly clueless as to the political leanings of Pope Francis and Bishop Sorondo (fellow Argentinians who share many beliefs beyond Catholic dogma). Without that background, they're unable to place the recent events in context. But I digress.

Anyway, thanks for the support.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
41. I have a feeling a link to Old Crow's source...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

... wouldn't change your mind anyway.

Why do people at DU always disingenuously ask for links?

=================

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
43. Well, I'll give Beastie Boy the benefit of the doubt.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure that now that he's been shown he was disseminating inaccurate information, he'll be quick to apologize.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
49. I appreciate your apology regarding the time.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

Truly, I do. Apologies around here are about as rare as snowflakes in August, and I thank you for that one.

That said, see my post below (#47) regarding the other aspects of your original post.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
68. I found statements of fact in your source, and they confirm everything I said except the time.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

Looking forward to your statements of facts. Rest assured, I will not expect an apology if I ever see them.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
45. Perhaps because links confirm everything they say except the numbers on the clock?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Tsk, tsk, this is so disingenuous!

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
51. Wrong again.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

The information in the link shows that virtually EVERYTHING in your post is wrong, not just the time. See my post below (#47).

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
44. Good enough. I am editing my post to reflect the 6 am time. The rest of it stands as is.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

Because your source confirms everything in my post except the time.

perhaps you will now consider following my lead and edit out the "complete and utter bullshit" bullshit.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
47. Hah. You've changed the time. You've done nothing to correct everything else about your post.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

Namely:

1. Sanders wasn't "hanging around the Pope's residence" (your words). He was staying in the Pope's residence, the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

2. Sanders didn't "just happen to be there" (your words). He was instructed by the Vatican staff to be in that spot at that time.

3. Sanders didn't "invite himself to see the Pope" (as if that were even possible; again, your words). Pope Francis's staff reached out to Sanders and gave Sanders the instructions.

The entire characterization of the meeting in your post is wrong, not just the time. Sorry you can't seem to see that.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
54. Do you expect me to tell a lie?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

1.Sanders was hanging around the Pope's residence, as per your source:

But the most important words occurred in the middle of dinner, when a personal secretary for Francis arrived with the news Mr. Sanders had been hoping for, Mr. Sachs said.
If Mr. Sanders were in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 a.m. the next day, he would be able to speak briefly with Francis as the pope headed to the airport for his Saturday trip to Greece, where the pope would be addressing the migrant crisis.
So early Saturday morning, Mr. Sanders stood in the marble foyer, which looks out onto a large cobblestone drive just inside the Vatican walls. Joining him were his wife, Mr. Sachs and his wife and Bishop Sánchez Sorondo, the senator’s de facto Vatican fixer.


Unless you can say with a straight face that standing in the foyer is not hanging around.

2. My comment on Bernie happening to be there was clearly facetious. Of course he didn't happen to be there. He was hanging around in the foyer on a tip from a Vatican insider. And even if you didn't provide me with this juicy tidbit, I wouldn't have imagined that Bernie was there by accident.

3. The Pope certainly didn't invite Bernie. Neither did anyone else, other than Bernie. I will consider a kinder phrase to describe what Bernie did if you can come up with one.

And the characterization of the meeting is not mine. It's the Pope's and Mr. Sachs'. I can't help you in correcting their utter bullshit.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
31. But why do her devoted fans feel the need to bring this up from morning to night?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

Are they so worried that their beloved gal will look bad out huntin' for the bucks while principled Bernie helps poor people?

2naSalit

(86,765 posts)
34. It appears
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

to be in response to the very nasty comments made by the Bernie supporters against Sec.Clinton that usually make no sense or are trying to play Trey Goudy with the past that is way behind us all and that the Sec. has addressed, even if they weren't listening. And then, Hillary supporters aren't allowed to say anything less than outright praise for Sen. Sanders with lots of alerts and hides and my mailbox is full of jury results.

I think it's a direct response to the Sanders supporters who have been Hillary-hating for over a year now, gets old.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
50. Results of Jury
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

When I encounter something disagreeable I move on, it might be useful for the person to do the same. I am left to think poster is trolling.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:24 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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2naSalit

(86,765 posts)
58. Thanks for posting!
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016


I guess simply answering an honest question with an honest answer is not acceptable, who knew? Didn't realize that simply answering a question was something I should "move on" from in the LBN forum.

Wow.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
72. This is getting old...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

Accusations of "very nasty comments," with no proof, no examples; followed by the intimation that only "outright praise" must follow for Senator Sanders.



Each candidate has their share of derisive, puerile supporters. Those of us who support Senator Sanders are no more likely to be "very nasty" than those of us who support Hi11ary.

(BTW, my mailbox is full of jury results, many of which were the consequences of frivolous alerts, primarily submitted by Hi11ary supporters attempting to hide pro-Bernie posts. hmm... Sound familiar?)

(P. S. Thanks for posting the link to the hummingbird nest cam.)

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
39. In a word, Yes.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Other reasons would include sour grapes and partisan-inspired pettiness.



... and declared, "Well, who wants to attend a Vatican conference anyway?"

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
53. Yeah, 'cuz talking about economic injustice is such a waste of time.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

Especially when you can sell dinner plates and selfies for $33,000 a pop. Hillary's time was much better spent. Cha-ching!

Vatican, Shmatican.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
93. You know Sanders isn't defending the Pope or any of the church's stances
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:53 AM
Apr 2016

He himself said he will work with the Pope on the things he agrees with him on. Helping the poor IS one of the things they both agree.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
80. I don't love seeing Hillary Clinton supporters being hypocrites, moving the goal posts
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:31 AM
Apr 2016

("He wasn't invited!" Yes, he was. "He won't meet with the Pope!" Yes, he did. "He didn't meet with him the right way!&quot , and just being generally rather unhinged ("He's a Pope Stalker!!1!@)

I don't love it because it's absurd and sad. Reminds me of the PUMA movement.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
73. Can you explain that comment? Because it doesn't make a lick of sense...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

... on a first read. Help me out, here. Thanks.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
66. I don't get this Bernie story controversy
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016

There are many things in the primary process that are dumb, and this to me is one.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
74. That makes at least two of us.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

Were I a Clinton supporter, I think my reaction to the Vatican visit would be, "Good for him. Let's talk about economic injustice--or any of the other myriad important issues facing this nation and the world generally."

Instead, some of the Clinton supporters on DU seem to believe that Sanders' Vatican visit must be attacked nonstop with innuendo, misinformation, sour grapes, envy, and all-around pettiness. It astonishes me how much energy they've been putting into it.

It only makes sense unless you view it as part of an overall, directed, campaign strategy. But I'm sure it isn't that. It simply couldn't be.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
75. Sanders did exactly what he said he would do. Hillary's followers trying to make random smears stick
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:45 AM
Apr 2016

I haven't seen Hillary's campaign do anything besides throw poop and hope it sticks, this entire campaign.

This particular "controversy" is just right-wing Democrats and Republicans smearing two good and honorable men.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
85. Indeed. In yet another lie, a Clinton supporter...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016

... was claiming that Senator Sanders rode in a Rolls Royce from the airport to the Vatican. Someone quickly called out the lie. He rode in a Chrysler 300 limousine, the standard vehicle for any diplomatic visits.

I've lost track, at this point, how many lies I've seen Clinton supporters telling about Sanders' Vatican visit. They've just been busy little beavers. Propaganda, meet Catapult.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
87. She didn't leave the Republicans with anything when she ran against Obama....
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:23 AM
Apr 2016

Wonder when she'll invoke the notion of Soviet tanks rolling down Main Street if we elect a SOCIALIST.

(Personally, I picture troops from Holland goosestepping in wooden shoes.)

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