Colorado Democrats admit mistake that cost Bernie Sanders key delegate
Source: Denver Post
Colorado Democrats admit mistake that cost Bernie Sanders key delegate
Denver Post uncovers that Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton's campaign about caucus counting mistake, but kept public and Bernie Sanders camp in the dark
By John Frank
The Denver Post
Bernie Sanders won one more delegate in Colorado than first projected after the Colorado Democratic Party admitted this week that it misreported the March 1 caucus results from 10 precinct locations.
The error first uncovered by The Denver Post was shared with rival Hillary Clinton's campaign by party officials but kept from Sanders until the Post told his staff Monday night.
The mistake is a minor shift with major implications. The new projection now shows the Vermont senator winning 39 delegates in Colorado, compared to 27 for Clinton.
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Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29755029/colorado-democrats-admit-mistake-that-cost-bernie-sanders
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my own comments follow:
Here is another little snip from the article (I only put in 3 sentences above):
{snip}The state party's website reported March 1 that Sanders won 14,624 votes, or 54 percent, in Denver County and Clinton took 12,097 votes, or 45 percent. But the corrected numbers for Denver County give Sanders 15,194 votes, or 56.5 percent, and Clinton with 11,527, or 43 percent, according to official party results.
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So look at those numbers, the Dem Party spokesman is spinning it that someone "dialed in" or "transposed" the wrong numbers, but put them correctly on the paper sheets, which no one looked at until a week later.
Uh, no. That is NOT how someone fat-fingers or transposes numbers when punching them in a computer. or on a phone.
That is an exact shift of 570 votes for each vote tally. That means someone did some calculations, for it to happen to both figures by the exact same figure.
But they informed the Clinton campaign FIVE WEEKS AGO, so obviously the Colo Dem Party DID look at the original papers at some point, did find the error at some point (five weeks ago), and YET...
they did NOT correct the error on the website, nor in time for for the Denver County Convention held on March 26 nor informed the Sanders campaign before the Congressional District 1 held on April 9.
I also have another story (beyond my caucus night debacle) of another disenfranchisement (by mistake not intent) where Sanders lost 12 county level delegates going into CD1, but that is a write up for a whole other post, and it is obviously from the turnout of delegates that the Credentials Committee worked in the background to seat as many Sanders delegates as possible in the background with a Convention credential (including YOURS TRULY, so I was finally able to represent Bernie for a second time as a delegate) for the CD1 assembly -- likely to correct their multiple errors on caucus night and Denver County Convention.
But let's recap:
Apparently and admittedly by the spokesperson, the Colo Dem Party knew about the mistake one week after the Caucus.
And the Colo Dem Party did not correct the error on the website, inform the media, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
You can bet the National DNC knew about the error, but did not correct the error, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
And the Clinton Campaign knew, but the Clinton campaign did not correct the error, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
The buck absolutely stops with the candidate in the campaign, so Sec Hillary Clinton didn't correct it either.
The Sanders campaign was NOT informed of the error, and so couldn't insist on correcting the error either.
But the Sanders delegates still turned up to effectively correct it themselves, back to the original (unreported) percentages.
On April 9 (I was there) the Congressional District 1 delegates voted:
392 Sanders - 58.6%
276 Clinton - 41.6%
Congressional District 1 sends 8 delegates to the National Convention - 4 women and 4 men.
They broke out as such
5 delegates Sanders (3 women, 2 men)
3 delegates Clinton (1 woman, 2 men)
I believe there is a term for when two or three people or more communicate and work in secret together against a third person's best interests...
P.S. I was also at the Denver County Convention, where Congresswoman Diana DeGette -- A SUPERDELEGATE -- informed a very Pro-Sanders crowd with the last extremely exuberant line in her rousing speech was that she would "NOT overturn your votes at the National Convention!" (meaning CD1's votes, which have to be crystal clear from April 9 to be for Sanders (see above). I'm not sure why her implied switch isn't reported anywhere else, but the whole thing is probably on video somewhere, and maybe she was intentionally vague, but she is supposed to be supporting Sanders as a SUPERDELEGATE now after the CD1 results.
Interestly enough, Diana is being primaried by a geologist/climate activist named Chuck Norris, who has a not so surprising amount of support considering the environmentalism in Colo on both the right and left sides of the aisle here, and received enough support above the threshold that he will be on Primary ballot in June against Diana DeGette. (That will be a primary not a caucus). Norris has so much support even, that (I'm sure this is unrelated LOL), our Diana has been seen at events and in the District more times in the last 3 weeks than we've seen her in the last 8 years LOL.
on edit: P.P.S. I just want to add that I believe that it is mostly likely the Credentials Committee learned about this late in the process and are the ones who are the heroes here. I mean, I am surprised the Denver Post even has the story, somebody is doing the right thing.
on edit: P.P.P.S The mistake *IS* fixed now. CD1 is sending 5 for Sanders, 3 for Clinton, and not the 4-4 like it was from caucus night.
djean111
(14,255 posts)deliberate "mistake" stuff.
840high
(17,196 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Willfully ignorant or stupid to buy that crap
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the biggest bully hoping the the bully would like them? Well I hate to tell the Conservative Wing of our Party, but the Greedy Oligarchy doesn't love them.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)They really need to try and grasp that point
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It's much harder to raise children to be open-minded, capable of making their own decisions and a lot of parents, teachers, coaches, religious leaders take the easy way of dominant authoritarian control.
I have tried to appeal to their empathy (a true Democrat has empathy) by mentioning that 6 American infants out of every 1,000 live births, will die before they reach 1 year old due to lack of proper care. This should be more important than the profit margin of Goldman-Sach-O-Gold. Their response is to slip back into their denial bubble. It's times like this I wish I believed in hell.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That's pledged delegates and even NY won't end this. Going to the end. Super delegates aren't stupid enough to undermine democracy. They will wait and see as their vote doesn't happen now anyway.
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)they're being held hostage
http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/
Hilary has a massive warchest and she's promised certain state's democratic party a cut if they play ball. The superdelegates, the election fraud, the screwy numbers, none of it is a mistake, it's tribute they must pay to get made by the Clinton Mafia.
There is a big difference between mistakes and cheating. This was CHEATING and nothing more or nothing less
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)this is the heart and soul of the political corruption that infests every nook and cranny of our supposedly democratic process
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)anything that gains BS delegates are simply the rules. I'm used to this duplicity by BS cheerleaders at the point.
mpcamb
(2,871 posts)You knew about it for 5 WEEKS and didn't do anything?
That's not disingenuous. That's cheating.
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)please demonstrate how this keeps happening on more than just one side. Show us how it's just common mistakes and not clear bias from state parties that have been bought.
http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/
There's 26 million bucks in the Hilary Victory Fund, and your state party can get it's cut.... if you play ball. Mistakes happen right?
navarth
(5,927 posts)why is that so hard?
elleng
(130,964 posts)Would be good if they had informed Sanders' campaign of the mistake.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511714163
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)delegate count is right now? If it wouldn't, it's all just more faux outrage from the BS camp.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)Of course, noone would ever expect they would do that. That's not who they are.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And nice to see how you're blaming the Clinton campaign for something that was the fault of the Colorado Democratic Party ... and that's hardly unexpected either.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)Sorry, I thought your question was a rhetorical one not requiring an answer because the answer was an obvious one. I am hardly surprised.
RHETORICAL QUESTION: A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer, because the answer is obvious, but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect.
I am not blaming the Clinton campaign for something that was the fault of the Colorado Democratic Party.
What matters is that had it not been uncovered by the Denver Post, Bernie would have never received the delegate that was rightfully his. The Clinton campaign knew about the error and said nothing. Is it any wonder why Hillary's "Honest and Trustworthy" ratings are in the toilet?
Apparently honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness means nothing to you...but, that's hardly unexpected. News flash, it means everything to many of us.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)He did receive the delegate over the weekend. The Denver Post reported why on Monday.
Now you're crying about something that didn't happen and never would have happened. In the Colorado Caucus system, like several other states, it really doesn't matter what the votes are on Caucus day, because at the next level it starts all over again and things can change (like they did in Nevada).
All that happened was the Colorado Democratic Party misreported the numbers at the first level and the "projected" delegate count. Those are not final delegate numbers, because they can change in the 2nd level and beyond. They can and they do change ... and they have this year in other states. Typically, like they are here the original projections are very close.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)You state that "He did receive the delegate over the weekend," and seem to imply that the Denver Post simply reported it on Monday.
The Denver Post
Bernie Sanders won one more delegate in Colorado than first projected after the Colorado Democratic Party admitted this week that it misreported the March 1 caucus.
The error first uncovered by The Denver Post was shared with rival Hillary Clinton's campaign by party officials but kept from Sanders until the Post told his staff Monday night.
Rhetorical question, "How can your statement be true if Bernie knew nothing about it until the Post told him Monday night?" Obvious answer, no answer expected.
I repeat, the Hillary campaign sat on this for five weeks and said nothing. If it was inevitable, as you claim, that it would be corrected in the caucus process, why stay silent? Why not take the high road for appearances sake?
Nice chatting with you, but gotta move on.
P.S. Using words like "blaming" and "crying" just to try and get a rise out of someone is juvenile.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Being pedantic and defining what rhetorical is. And you saying that the Clinton campaign doesn't have integrity wasn't written to get a rise out of anyone, was it?
Now you're just showing what a joke you are. buh-bye.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Thanks for making me laugh.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)The Clinton campaign deserves to be blamed. The Colorado Democratic Party told them about this and they kept it under their hat for 5 weeks until the Denver Post exposed the whole sorry chicanery. This is who you are supporting so don't even pretend that you are on the high road because you aren't. If you want to support cheaters that's your business but don't even think for a moment that you can pretend that this didn't happen. It did and it's documented for all to see.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)The fact that you are not concerned about cheating in an election is telling.
Go ahead, rant away, you're just showing your hatred and bias. Good to know about it.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)If they gain a delegate, it's always because that's the way the rules are.
If the BS cheerleaders weren't always going into persecution mode, maybe some of us would care.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Wow. Way to stand on principles.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)anytime Secretary Clinton is on the losing end ... nothing to see here, that's the way the rules are. Maybe if the BS cheerleaders cared about election fraud equally, they wouldn't look like they're always crying wolf without any evidence to back it up.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)How principled of you to only care about how others behave rather than about election fraud and real democracy.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The BS cheerleaders haven't presented ANY evidence of real election fraud ... just non-stop cries of persecution and conspiracies. Provide some real evidence of election fraud and you'll get my attention, none of you have done any of that yet, including here in Colorado.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)APLAEFASD PLEAKSE EKSKPLAIN...
FASKSN FEA;SLETNGAD
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billhicks76
(5,082 posts)This doesn't ever happen in Bernies favor so your argument is fake.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)You people are all alike.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Sorry no cure for that. Even from us people.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)obtuse and willfully ignorant
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)but this is no faux outrage. It's very real and very publicly documented.
With all Sec. Clinton's advantages as the establishment candidate (and they are sizable advantages) they still felt the need to keep this under wraps. They just couldn't keep from CHEATING. This is yet another reason why so many voters do not support Sec. Clinton.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)but it's nice to see that you'll use it as another in a long line of excuses why "so many voters do not support Secretary Clinton".
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)this sorry excuse you are floating but in case you didn't see it I'll post it again.
63. They Don't Get Off That Easy
The revelation that the state party misreported the results to the public March 1 - and kept it quiet to all but the Clinton campaign for five weeks - comes as Sanders promotes his case that he can win the Democratic nomination
By the way The Colorado Democratic Party ALSO deserves to be blamed. They conspired with the Clinton campaign to keep this information from the public and from the Sanders campaign. Be real proud about that one.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I'm not wasting my time on you any more, because you obviously don't care about the truth. You have your faux outrage and you're going to stick with it.
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)the same challenge goes to you. Prove us wrong instead of empty talk.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mis-fracking-takes favor Clinton. Clinton represents the corrupt culture that we need to change. The 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty want change. What have you to tell them? "Hang tough, Goldman-Sachs may send you some "cake""
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)Bernie is campaigning on election reform.
So, good idea, don't mind if we do.
navarth
(5,927 posts)and my respects to the great state of Colorado. I believe you will fix it.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Someone I admire immensely begs to differ.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)and you simply CAN'T HELP realizing that Bernie's the FDR for our time.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Bernie will go down as one of the best, most important, most transformational presidents in history. The time is right - and it's now.
[font color="purple"]Feelin' The Bern!
blm
(113,064 posts)People accept mistakes are made, but, won't accept someone in charge not fixing the mistake that was made.
elleng
(130,964 posts)Sanders Did Even Better in Colorado Than Reported, But No One Told Him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511714163
blm
(113,064 posts).
elleng
(130,964 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)OK, that is a joke. I, and probably everybody else on DU who cares, are banned from the Hillary group. We wouldn't want to contaminate their pure thoughts with challenging information.
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)by CHEATING us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)The notion that we don't have to worry if our guy get's elected is dated as well.
I think recent political events prove that we must be forever vigilant if we want a fair functioning Democracy.
Thieves usually steal shit in the dark, while you're asleep.
mainer
(12,022 posts)Now we're counting on the press to police Democratic Party operations?
This blasts out the message that the Democratic Party can't be trusted.
KPN
(15,646 posts)What gets me is not only the DNC, but Hillary knew!
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)33 state democratic parties are signed on for a cut of the Hilary Victory Fund
http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/
There's 26 million dollars up for grabs if you play ball. Mistakes happen, counting is hard. Trust is WAAAY out the window.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)Sanders promised to support whoever won, but there is NO reason to hold him to that promise if the Dems continue to CHEAT!
If Sanders loses (for whatever reason, because how can anybody trust these assholes now), I hope to fucking god that he reconsiders a independent run.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Just makes me more resolved to personally do whatever I can (which admittedly is not a lot, but every person counts) to keep this movement alive even if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. We need to get rid of the crooks who lead us soon or it will be too late I'm afraid.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Thirdway (Corporate) Democrats are actually challenging the old guard Republicans to see who can funnel the money up to Corporate and the 1% fastest.
It's a shameful fricking sport now.
Money is the new God, people......meh
If he want's to be successful (and I say this as a huge supporter), a whole lot of people need to sign up and start voting Independant ASAP, otherwise the money machine will just roll over him.
lastone
(588 posts)how the flying _________ (trying to be more civil here) can the democratic party tell one of it's own _________ (again fill in the blank yourselves) candidates about this error and not the other and have ANY credibility left?
I'll answer my own question, they can't.
And people wonder WHY there is such contempt for politics as usual, the establishment, lying _________ politicians. The epidemic of legal corruption needs to stop, the only way is for Bernie Sanders to win the presidency, anything else is the same ole same ole...
KPN
(15,646 posts)regardless of what the outcome of the primary is.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)This is from the Denver Post, not some random blog.
The spokesperson reporting here that the OFFICIAL numbers were entered incorrectly is from the Democratic Party itself, and is not some some self-appointed, uninvolved pundit from BFE.
It's the Dem Party reporting on itself, reporting on its own "HooDoo" if you will.
We need integrity and transparency in the process, period.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hoodoo?
You think this is some kind of African American magic?
Well, I guess "HOOOOODOOOOO" is better than the usual "LOL" that comes up from the Hillary Camp over serious issues of trust.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Did he realize how idiotic that sounds???
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)but thankfully the Denver Post did. They got caught and didn't have a plausible explanation for it so you got this drivel.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)red dog 1
(27,817 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
azmom
(5,208 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)Kidding. Yes, I agree, this is just another example of dishonesty by Democratic leadership and the Clinton campaign.
It appears that Clinton will win, by hook or by crook, and we have to choose between her and someone just about as bad in the general.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)It's a "must win" for Hillary and the establishment. I'm pretty sure they will be using every underhanded tactic at their disposal.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Rethuglicans are just STUPID. What WE'RE dealing with is EVIL.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)This Granny sez that your voting block is dying off, and the people that you are disenfranchising will be your ruin.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Whoops!"
George II
(67,782 posts)...."cost" him a delegate.
If you've been following the delegate counts from day to day, several states have changed due to district recounts, recalculations, etc.
It happens every four years, nothing unusual and certainly nothing underhanded, except for the Sanders people in Nevada telling Clinton delegates they didn't have to show up for their convention.
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)I think any due diligence accountant, any FBI agent, or any insurance investigator is always careful to note when a figure coincidentally changes an outcome, and when that same number can be found coinciding in two different columns, and conclude in their investigations that someone performed a CALCULATION to derive that figure.
Bottom line - somebody intentionally keyed in the wrong numbers, which intentionally added 570 to one total and subtracted 570 from another total (proving it was not a typo, but a exacting calculation) and those numbers happened to be enough to shift a 5-3 split vote up to a 4-4 tie vote.
Not a coincidence. Not an accident. No investigator would think so either. This is not a "no harm, no foul" situation.
It's bad faith.
It's collusion.
It's conspiracy (group of two people or more keeping a secret or information from an affected third person)
It's disenfranchisement.
George II
(67,782 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)that looks like a reasonable argument to me. I'm sold.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)elias7
(4,007 posts)Is this what you are cheerleading?
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)This is from the Denver Post article:
Sanders supporters initially thought the campaign picked up support in Colorado. But Palacio said Clinton didn't lose support "we just misreported it."
If they misreported in Nevada that would explain why so many Hillary supporters failed to show up. They failed to show up because they were never supposed to be there in the first place. I think someone needs to look into the Nevada numbers and any other Caucus where Hillary supporters were reported as having failed to show up.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Out of towners. Fake just like her Twitter and Facebook.
Stryder
(450 posts)one of these "Oopsies" are gonna swing Bernie's way...
Sooner or later...
Yup... any day now.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Fixes happen.
Plots happen.
Don't they?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)This is fraud.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, April 12 2016
Contact: Rick Palacio; 303-623-4762, info@coloradodems.org
CDP Chair Statement on Nominating Process
Denver, Colorado - Today, Colorado Democratic Party Chair Rick Palacio released the following statement related to Colorados Democratic nominating process:
Today, the Denver Post misreported several facts which relate to Colorados Democratic nominating process. On caucus night, preliminary and unofficial results were posted online in an effort to share as much information as we had in a timely manner. Those preliminary and unofficial results showed a higher level of support for Secretary Clinton than she actually received in a handful of precincts in Denver County. After a verification process, the official results, along with the caucus worksheets were sent to both Presidential campaigns at the same time just days following precinct caucuses. It appeared that the Clinton campaign did not review the information until last week, at which point they asked to clarify the information previously sent to their team.
"What was posted on caucus night were only preliminary results which were not used in the allocation of delegates at any level. The Denver Post misreported this fact, and didn't accurately report the fact that both campaigns received the correct data at the same time within days of the caucus. If one used the official data which was shared with both presidential campaigns to predict the outcome of the 1st Congressional District Convention, the prediction would have been 5 delegates for Sen. Sanders and 3 delegates for Sec. Clinton, and the actual, official results of the Saturdays 1st Congressional District Convention were 5 delegates elected for Sen. Sanders and 3 delegates elected for Sec. Clinton.
"We sincerely apologize for this confusion it has caused around the caucus process and any changes that affect the estimation of national delegates allocated in the state of Colorado.
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)alright. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. We're all on high alert due to the plethora of foul play and happy accidents that always seem to occur in favor of one side. Some honest mistakes or mis-reports are bound to happen and at least they addressed this in full without just ignoring it until it goes away. I'll take this one at face value.
Colorado is on the Hilary Victory Fund list though. They're being held up for $66,000. Small change to a state party I'm sure, but they are on the list... so I'm watching them.
Perogie
(687 posts)Glad that Bernie delegates are diehards. We still might pick up a few more next count
ananda
(28,866 posts).. the delegate returned to Sanders?
I know what I think.
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)Nt
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The whole rigged mess leaves me endlessly amazed.
But, chalk up more for Bernie.