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Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:43 PM Apr 2016

Colorado Democrats admit mistake that cost Bernie Sanders key delegate

Source: Denver Post

Colorado Democrats admit mistake that cost Bernie Sanders key delegate
Denver Post uncovers that Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton's campaign about caucus counting mistake, but kept public and Bernie Sanders camp in the dark


By John Frank
The Denver Post

Bernie Sanders won one more delegate in Colorado than first projected after the Colorado Democratic Party admitted this week that it misreported the March 1 caucus results from 10 precinct locations.

The error — first uncovered by The Denver Post — was shared with rival Hillary Clinton's campaign by party officials but kept from Sanders until the Post told his staff Monday night.

The mistake is a minor shift with major implications. The new projection now shows the Vermont senator winning 39 delegates in Colorado, compared to 27 for Clinton.
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Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29755029/colorado-democrats-admit-mistake-that-cost-bernie-sanders



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my own comments follow:
Here is another little snip from the article (I only put in 3 sentences above):

{snip}The state party's website reported March 1 that Sanders won 14,624 votes, or 54 percent, in Denver County and Clinton took 12,097 votes, or 45 percent. But the corrected numbers for Denver County give Sanders 15,194 votes, or 56.5 percent, and Clinton with 11,527, or 43 percent, according to official party results.
{end snip}

So look at those numbers, the Dem Party spokesman is spinning it that someone "dialed in" or "transposed" the wrong numbers, but put them correctly on the paper sheets, which no one looked at until a week later.

Uh, no. That is NOT how someone fat-fingers or transposes numbers when punching them in a computer. or on a phone.
That is an exact shift of 570 votes for each vote tally. That means someone did some calculations, for it to happen to both figures by the exact same figure.

But they informed the Clinton campaign FIVE WEEKS AGO, so obviously the Colo Dem Party DID look at the original papers at some point, did find the error at some point (five weeks ago), and YET...
they did NOT correct the error on the website, nor in time for for the Denver County Convention held on March 26 nor informed the Sanders campaign before the Congressional District 1 held on April 9.

I also have another story (beyond my caucus night debacle) of another disenfranchisement (by mistake not intent) where Sanders lost 12 county level delegates going into CD1, but that is a write up for a whole other post, and it is obviously from the turnout of delegates that the Credentials Committee worked in the background to seat as many Sanders delegates as possible in the background with a Convention credential (including YOURS TRULY, so I was finally able to represent Bernie for a second time as a delegate) for the CD1 assembly -- likely to correct their multiple errors on caucus night and Denver County Convention.

But let's recap:
Apparently and admittedly by the spokesperson, the Colo Dem Party knew about the mistake one week after the Caucus.
And the Colo Dem Party did not correct the error on the website, inform the media, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
You can bet the National DNC knew about the error, but did not correct the error, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
And the Clinton Campaign knew, but the Clinton campaign did not correct the error, nor inform the Sanders campaign.
The buck absolutely stops with the candidate in the campaign, so Sec Hillary Clinton didn't correct it either.
The Sanders campaign was NOT informed of the error, and so couldn't insist on correcting the error either.

But the Sanders delegates still turned up to effectively correct it themselves, back to the original (unreported) percentages.

On April 9 (I was there) the Congressional District 1 delegates voted:
392 Sanders - 58.6%
276 Clinton - 41.6%

Congressional District 1 sends 8 delegates to the National Convention - 4 women and 4 men.
They broke out as such
5 delegates Sanders (3 women, 2 men)
3 delegates Clinton (1 woman, 2 men)


I believe there is a term for when two or three people or more communicate and work in secret together against a third person's best interests...


P.S. I was also at the Denver County Convention, where Congresswoman Diana DeGette -- A SUPERDELEGATE -- informed a very Pro-Sanders crowd with the last extremely exuberant line in her rousing speech was that she would "NOT overturn your votes at the National Convention!" (meaning CD1's votes, which have to be crystal clear from April 9 to be for Sanders (see above). I'm not sure why her implied switch isn't reported anywhere else, but the whole thing is probably on video somewhere, and maybe she was intentionally vague, but she is supposed to be supporting Sanders as a SUPERDELEGATE now after the CD1 results.


Interestly enough, Diana is being primaried by a geologist/climate activist named Chuck Norris, who has a not so surprising amount of support considering the environmentalism in Colo on both the right and left sides of the aisle here, and received enough support above the threshold that he will be on Primary ballot in June against Diana DeGette. (That will be a primary not a caucus). Norris has so much support even, that (I'm sure this is unrelated LOL), our Diana has been seen at events and in the District more times in the last 3 weeks than we've seen her in the last 8 years LOL.

on edit: P.P.S. I just want to add that I believe that it is mostly likely the Credentials Committee learned about this late in the process and are the ones who are the heroes here. I mean, I am surprised the Denver Post even has the story, somebody is doing the right thing.

on edit: P.P.P.S The mistake *IS* fixed now. CD1 is sending 5 for Sanders, 3 for Clinton, and not the 4-4 like it was from caucus night.

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Colorado Democrats admit mistake that cost Bernie Sanders key delegate (Original Post) Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 OP
Sorry, do not think it was a mistake. I feel like the primaries are riddled with this sort of djean111 Apr 2016 #1
No mistake - cheating. 840high Apr 2016 #5
It's called "a little wierdness happens" in Clinton vernacular per the article. Akicita Apr 2016 #7
Thumb on the scale. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #15
yep - not a mistake Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #21
Really, you don't buy that all the "mistakes" have gone Clinton-Sachs' way? nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #76
no. YOu have to be either Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #103
Or blinded by authoritarian adulation. Remember in Jr High, the kids that would hide behind rhett o rick Apr 2016 #104
Point Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #105
I think it's hopeless. They were raised to be good little follower authoritarians. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #106
How about 'politics as what used to be usual greiner3 Apr 2016 #31
You're right but we shouldn't put up with it anymore. Akicita Apr 2016 #38
Sanders 1088 and Clinton 1280 billhicks76 Apr 2016 #89
the superdelegates aren't stupid deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #92
Yes madokie Apr 2016 #65
The whole system is riddled with this deliberate mistake stuff AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #39
Of course that's how you feel ... anything that loses BS delegates is a conpsiracy ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #43
Nope. Cheating is cheating is cheating. mpcamb Apr 2016 #75
please demostrate deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #93
so FIX IT navarth Apr 2016 #2
It's not hard. elleng Apr 2016 #9
If they had informed the BS campaign earlier of the mistake, would it make a difference in what the SFnomad Apr 2016 #36
The Clinton campaign was told about it but did not have the integrity to make it public on their own debunction.junction Apr 2016 #40
I noticed you couldn't answer my question ... hardly unexpected SFnomad Apr 2016 #42
Couldn't answer the question? Seriously? You actually expected an answer to your question? debunction.junction Apr 2016 #62
Re: Bernie would have never received the delegate ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #67
My bad for taking the Denver Post article at face value, based on the original post. debunction.junction Apr 2016 #72
Re: juvenile SFnomad Apr 2016 #74
I think you are very funny. chwaliszewski Apr 2016 #81
They Don't Get Off That Easy noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #63
RIGHT ON debunction.junction Apr 2016 #73
You're showing a lot of faux outrage in this thread. cui bono Apr 2016 #51
Any time BS loses a delegate the BS cheerleaders always believe it's cheating or a conspiracy SFnomad Apr 2016 #52
So you caring about election fraud depends on your perceived behavior from Bernie supporters? cui bono Apr 2016 #53
Like I said, BS supporters only percieve election fraud when they're on the losing end SFnomad Apr 2016 #55
So you don't deny it and you even double down on it. cui bono Apr 2016 #57
I'll type it slower and with smaller words so that maybe you might understand it SFnomad Apr 2016 #58
ASGKAGANSKLGNW.... I DON'T KWNNASDKA ASDKWEOG ADSKNEAD.D cui bono Apr 2016 #59
Quit Excusing Fraud billhicks76 Apr 2016 #84
LOL ... I'm not exusing fraud ... you haven't show me any fraud has happened SFnomad Apr 2016 #86
Blind, Deaf and Dumb billhicks76 Apr 2016 #87
And you still refuse to show me any fraud has happened SFnomad Apr 2016 #88
Nice Try noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #60
This is the fault of the Colorado Democratic Pary, not Secretary Clinton's campaign SFnomad Apr 2016 #64
I've already responded to you once about noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #68
They didn't conspire ... my gawd you people have this persecution complex down to a science SFnomad Apr 2016 #69
see reply #93 deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #95
I shouldn't feed the CS (Clinton Supporters) but the outrage is that time after time rhett o rick Apr 2016 #77
we will fix it deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #94
righteous. navarth Apr 2016 #96
"Mistake," huh? silverweb Apr 2016 #3
You read quotes by FDR Plucketeer Apr 2016 #30
+1 Zira Apr 2016 #41
No question about it! silverweb Apr 2016 #90
All they have to do is fix the mistake then and move on. Anything else is just wrong. blm Apr 2016 #4
and he wasn't informed about the mistake! elleng Apr 2016 #8
Sheesh…they need to fix this before it turns into something worse. blm Apr 2016 #10
Here too:Sanders Did Even Better in Colorado Than Reported, But No One Told Him. elleng Apr 2016 #6
Posting to the Hillary group for their review elljay Apr 2016 #11
They're trying to beat us Faux pas Apr 2016 #12
Of course. Been happening since the beginning of time. Phlem Apr 2016 #25
The NEWSPAPER had to blow the whistle to make the party do the right thing? mainer Apr 2016 #13
And most of the media can't either. KPN Apr 2016 #20
at least not 33 states deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #97
I'm pretty tired of the ongoing shit that is the Democratic Party. ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #14
Yup. No question. KPN Apr 2016 #17
It's all about the money anymore. Phlem Apr 2016 #27
Incredible really lastone Apr 2016 #16
We gotta keep the Bernie movement alive KPN Apr 2016 #18
HOOOOOOOOOODOOOOOOOOOO Cryptoad Apr 2016 #19
HooDoo? In all seriousness, what kind of comment is that to make and how do you even dare? Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #24
Wait...what? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #37
Makes you wonder how many Bernie should REALLY have now. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #22
didn't tell the Sanders camp ..."because it didn't necessarily affect them..." lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #23
I'm sure he didn't noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #66
Multiply that by 10... Helen Borg Apr 2016 #26
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Apr 2016 #28
They are fucking CHEATERS.The "Party" has been lying, cheating and stealing to benefit ONE candidate AzDar Apr 2016 #29
We are being robbed. Nt azmom Apr 2016 #32
What do you mean, "We", BernieBro? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #34
You ain't seen nothing yet...wait till the #NYPrimary. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #91
Think about it... Plucketeer Apr 2016 #33
Hell of as way to make young voters into your future voters... me b zola Apr 2016 #35
U.S. voting is just one big fraud. This is yet another example of "Plunder and Whoops! Plunder and valerief Apr 2016 #44
They admitted the mistake - bottom line the delegate was awarded to Sanders, so it did NOT..... George II Apr 2016 #45
How does the earth not shift off its axis with the centrifugal force of all that spin? Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #47
. George II Apr 2016 #48
Oh no, I've been dotted. Not the dot!! The dot that is used to denote the free-thinkers, I guess. Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #49
checkmate eh? deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #99
Thank you! So nice to see a RATIONAL reply in a sea of paranoia, hyperbole and confusion. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #54
And Watergate didn't really yield any useful information or changed result. No harm, no foul elias7 Apr 2016 #70
Glad you brought up Nevada noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #56
Clinton Nevada Delegates Sock Puppets billhicks76 Apr 2016 #85
I'm certain Stryder Apr 2016 #46
Insider Trading happens. zentrum Apr 2016 #50
"Mistake", SUUUUURE. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #61
There should be a criminal investigation here. fbc Apr 2016 #71
From the Colorado Democratic Party this afternoon -- madamesilverspurs Apr 2016 #78
hmmmmmm, deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #98
I'm in CD2. It was crazy Perogie Apr 2016 #79
So.. why hasn't this "mistake" been rectified and.. ananda Apr 2016 #80
It has ButterflyBlood Apr 2016 #83
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #82
1 delegate = 100 replies required! snooper2 Apr 2016 #100
Tip of the Crooked and Corrupt voting system. SoapBox Apr 2016 #101
mistake my you know what . allan01 Apr 2016 #102
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Sorry, do not think it was a mistake. I feel like the primaries are riddled with this sort of
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

deliberate "mistake" stuff.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
104. Or blinded by authoritarian adulation. Remember in Jr High, the kids that would hide behind
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

the biggest bully hoping the the bully would like them? Well I hate to tell the Conservative Wing of our Party, but the Greedy Oligarchy doesn't love them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
106. I think it's hopeless. They were raised to be good little follower authoritarians.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

It's much harder to raise children to be open-minded, capable of making their own decisions and a lot of parents, teachers, coaches, religious leaders take the easy way of dominant authoritarian control.

I have tried to appeal to their empathy (a true Democrat has empathy) by mentioning that 6 American infants out of every 1,000 live births, will die before they reach 1 year old due to lack of proper care. This should be more important than the profit margin of Goldman-Sach-O-Gold. Their response is to slip back into their denial bubble. It's times like this I wish I believed in hell.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
89. Sanders 1088 and Clinton 1280
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:00 AM
Apr 2016

That's pledged delegates and even NY won't end this. Going to the end. Super delegates aren't stupid enough to undermine democracy. They will wait and see as their vote doesn't happen now anyway.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
92. the superdelegates aren't stupid
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

they're being held hostage
http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/

Hilary has a massive warchest and she's promised certain state's democratic party a cut if they play ball. The superdelegates, the election fraud, the screwy numbers, none of it is a mistake, it's tribute they must pay to get made by the Clinton Mafia.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
65. Yes
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

There is a big difference between mistakes and cheating. This was CHEATING and nothing more or nothing less

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
39. The whole system is riddled with this deliberate mistake stuff
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

this is the heart and soul of the political corruption that infests every nook and cranny of our supposedly democratic process

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
43. Of course that's how you feel ... anything that loses BS delegates is a conpsiracy ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

anything that gains BS delegates are simply the rules. I'm used to this duplicity by BS cheerleaders at the point.

mpcamb

(2,871 posts)
75. Nope. Cheating is cheating is cheating.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

You knew about it for 5 WEEKS and didn't do anything?

That's not disingenuous. That's cheating.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
93. please demostrate
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

please demonstrate how this keeps happening on more than just one side. Show us how it's just common mistakes and not clear bias from state parties that have been bought.

http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/

There's 26 million bucks in the Hilary Victory Fund, and your state party can get it's cut.... if you play ball. Mistakes happen right?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
36. If they had informed the BS campaign earlier of the mistake, would it make a difference in what the
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

delegate count is right now? If it wouldn't, it's all just more faux outrage from the BS camp.

40. The Clinton campaign was told about it but did not have the integrity to make it public on their own
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

Of course, noone would ever expect they would do that. That's not who they are.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
42. I noticed you couldn't answer my question ... hardly unexpected
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:23 PM
Apr 2016

And nice to see how you're blaming the Clinton campaign for something that was the fault of the Colorado Democratic Party ... and that's hardly unexpected either.

62. Couldn't answer the question? Seriously? You actually expected an answer to your question?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, I thought your question was a rhetorical one not requiring an answer because the answer was an obvious one. I am hardly surprised.

RHETORICAL QUESTION: A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer, because the answer is obvious, but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect.


I am not blaming the Clinton campaign for something that was the fault of the Colorado Democratic Party.

What matters is that had it not been uncovered by the Denver Post, Bernie would have never received the delegate that was rightfully his. The Clinton campaign knew about the error and said nothing. Is it any wonder why Hillary's "Honest and Trustworthy" ratings are in the toilet?
Apparently honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness means nothing to you...but, that's hardly unexpected. News flash, it means everything to many of us.


 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
67. Re: Bernie would have never received the delegate ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

He did receive the delegate over the weekend. The Denver Post reported why on Monday.

Now you're crying about something that didn't happen and never would have happened. In the Colorado Caucus system, like several other states, it really doesn't matter what the votes are on Caucus day, because at the next level it starts all over again and things can change (like they did in Nevada).

All that happened was the Colorado Democratic Party misreported the numbers at the first level and the "projected" delegate count. Those are not final delegate numbers, because they can change in the 2nd level and beyond. They can and they do change ... and they have this year in other states. Typically, like they are here the original projections are very close.

72. My bad for taking the Denver Post article at face value, based on the original post.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

You state that "He did receive the delegate over the weekend," and seem to imply that the Denver Post simply reported it on Monday.

By John Frank
The Denver Post

Bernie Sanders won one more delegate in Colorado than first projected after the Colorado Democratic Party admitted this week that it misreported the March 1 caucus.

The error — first uncovered by The Denver Post — was shared with rival Hillary Clinton's campaign by party officials but kept from Sanders until the Post told his staff Monday night.



Rhetorical question, "How can your statement be true if Bernie knew nothing about it until the Post told him Monday night?" Obvious answer, no answer expected.

I repeat, the Hillary campaign sat on this for five weeks and said nothing. If it was inevitable, as you claim, that it would be corrected in the caucus process, why stay silent? Why not take the high road for appearances sake?

Nice chatting with you, but gotta move on.

P.S. Using words like "blaming" and "crying" just to try and get a rise out of someone is juvenile.
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
74. Re: juvenile
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

Being pedantic and defining what rhetorical is. And you saying that the Clinton campaign doesn't have integrity wasn't written to get a rise out of anyone, was it?

Now you're just showing what a joke you are. buh-bye.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
63. They Don't Get Off That Easy
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

The Clinton campaign deserves to be blamed. The Colorado Democratic Party told them about this and they kept it under their hat for 5 weeks until the Denver Post exposed the whole sorry chicanery. This is who you are supporting so don't even pretend that you are on the high road because you aren't. If you want to support cheaters that's your business but don't even think for a moment that you can pretend that this didn't happen. It did and it's documented for all to see.

The revelation that the state party misreported the results to the public March 1 - and kept it quiet to all but the Clinton campaign for five weeks - comes as Sanders promotes his case that he can win the Democratic nomination

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
51. You're showing a lot of faux outrage in this thread.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:29 PM
Apr 2016

The fact that you are not concerned about cheating in an election is telling.

Go ahead, rant away, you're just showing your hatred and bias. Good to know about it.

.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
52. Any time BS loses a delegate the BS cheerleaders always believe it's cheating or a conspiracy
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

If they gain a delegate, it's always because that's the way the rules are.

If the BS cheerleaders weren't always going into persecution mode, maybe some of us would care.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
53. So you caring about election fraud depends on your perceived behavior from Bernie supporters?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

Wow. Way to stand on principles.



.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
55. Like I said, BS supporters only percieve election fraud when they're on the losing end
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

anytime Secretary Clinton is on the losing end ... nothing to see here, that's the way the rules are. Maybe if the BS cheerleaders cared about election fraud equally, they wouldn't look like they're always crying wolf without any evidence to back it up.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
57. So you don't deny it and you even double down on it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

How principled of you to only care about how others behave rather than about election fraud and real democracy.

.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
58. I'll type it slower and with smaller words so that maybe you might understand it
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

The BS cheerleaders haven't presented ANY evidence of real election fraud ... just non-stop cries of persecution and conspiracies. Provide some real evidence of election fraud and you'll get my attention, none of you have done any of that yet, including here in Colorado.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
59. ASGKAGANSKLGNW.... I DON'T KWNNASDKA ASDKWEOG ADSKNEAD.D
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:08 PM
Apr 2016

APLAEFASD PLEAKSE EKSKPLAIN...

FASKSN FEA;SLETNGAD

.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
86. LOL ... I'm not exusing fraud ... you haven't show me any fraud has happened
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

You people are all alike.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
60. Nice Try
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

but this is no faux outrage. It's very real and very publicly documented.

The revelation that the state party misreported the results to the public March 1 - and kept it quiet to all but the Clinton campaign for five weeks - comes as Sanders promotes his case that he can win the Democratic nomination


With all Sec. Clinton's advantages as the establishment candidate (and they are sizable advantages) they still felt the need to keep this under wraps. They just couldn't keep from CHEATING. This is yet another reason why so many voters do not support Sec. Clinton.
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
64. This is the fault of the Colorado Democratic Pary, not Secretary Clinton's campaign
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

but it's nice to see that you'll use it as another in a long line of excuses why "so many voters do not support Secretary Clinton".

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
68. I've already responded to you once about
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

this sorry excuse you are floating but in case you didn't see it I'll post it again.

63. They Don't Get Off That Easy

The Clinton campaign deserves to be blamed. The Colorado Democratic Party told them about this and they kept it under their hat for 5 weeks until the Denver Post exposed the whole sorry chicanery. This is who you are supporting so don't even pretend that you are on the high road because you aren't. If you want to support cheaters that's your business but don't even think for a moment that you can pretend that this didn't happen. It did and it's documented for all to see.


The revelation that the state party misreported the results to the public March 1 - and kept it quiet to all but the Clinton campaign for five weeks - comes as Sanders promotes his case that he can win the Democratic nomination


By the way The Colorado Democratic Party ALSO deserves to be blamed. They conspired with the Clinton campaign to keep this information from the public and from the Sanders campaign. Be real proud about that one.
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
69. They didn't conspire ... my gawd you people have this persecution complex down to a science
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not wasting my time on you any more, because you obviously don't care about the truth. You have your faux outrage and you're going to stick with it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
77. I shouldn't feed the CS (Clinton Supporters) but the outrage is that time after time
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

mis-fracking-takes favor Clinton. Clinton represents the corrupt culture that we need to change. The 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty want change. What have you to tell them? "Hang tough, Goldman-Sachs may send you some "cake""

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
90. No question about it!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:30 AM
Apr 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Bernie will go down as one of the best, most important, most transformational presidents in history. The time is right - and it's now.

[font color="purple"]Feelin' The Bern!



blm

(113,064 posts)
4. All they have to do is fix the mistake then and move on. Anything else is just wrong.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

People accept mistakes are made, but, won't accept someone in charge not fixing the mistake that was made.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
11. Posting to the Hillary group for their review
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

OK, that is a joke. I, and probably everybody else on DU who cares, are banned from the Hillary group. We wouldn't want to contaminate their pure thoughts with challenging information.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
25. Of course. Been happening since the beginning of time.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

The notion that we don't have to worry if our guy get's elected is dated as well.

I think recent political events prove that we must be forever vigilant if we want a fair functioning Democracy.

Thieves usually steal shit in the dark, while you're asleep.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
13. The NEWSPAPER had to blow the whistle to make the party do the right thing?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

Now we're counting on the press to police Democratic Party operations?

This blasts out the message that the Democratic Party can't be trusted.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
97. at least not 33 states
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

33 state democratic parties are signed on for a cut of the Hilary Victory Fund

http://other98.com/hillary-bought-superdelegates/

There's 26 million dollars up for grabs if you play ball. Mistakes happen, counting is hard. Trust is WAAAY out the window.

ish of the hammer

(444 posts)
14. I'm pretty tired of the ongoing shit that is the Democratic Party.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders promised to support whoever won, but there is NO reason to hold him to that promise if the Dems continue to CHEAT!
If Sanders loses (for whatever reason, because how can anybody trust these assholes now), I hope to fucking god that he reconsiders a independent run.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
17. Yup. No question.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

Just makes me more resolved to personally do whatever I can (which admittedly is not a lot, but every person counts) to keep this movement alive even if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. We need to get rid of the crooks who lead us soon or it will be too late I'm afraid.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
27. It's all about the money anymore.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

Thirdway (Corporate) Democrats are actually challenging the old guard Republicans to see who can funnel the money up to Corporate and the 1% fastest.

It's a shameful fricking sport now.

Money is the new God, people......meh

If he want's to be successful (and I say this as a huge supporter), a whole lot of people need to sign up and start voting Independant ASAP, otherwise the money machine will just roll over him.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
16. Incredible really
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

how the flying _________ (trying to be more civil here) can the democratic party tell one of it's own _________ (again fill in the blank yourselves) candidates about this error and not the other and have ANY credibility left?

I'll answer my own question, they can't.

And people wonder WHY there is such contempt for politics as usual, the establishment, lying _________ politicians. The epidemic of legal corruption needs to stop, the only way is for Bernie Sanders to win the presidency, anything else is the same ole same ole...



Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
24. HooDoo? In all seriousness, what kind of comment is that to make and how do you even dare?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

This is from the Denver Post, not some random blog.

The spokesperson reporting here that the OFFICIAL numbers were entered incorrectly is from the Democratic Party itself, and is not some some self-appointed, uninvolved pundit from BFE.

It's the Dem Party reporting on itself, reporting on its own "HooDoo" if you will.

We need integrity and transparency in the process, period.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. Wait...what?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

Hoodoo?

You think this is some kind of African American magic?


Well, I guess "HOOOOODOOOOO" is better than the usual "LOL" that comes up from the Hillary Camp over serious issues of trust.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. didn't tell the Sanders camp ..."because it didn't necessarily affect them..."
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016
'Palacio said he didn't tell the Sanders camp about the divergent numbers "because it didn't necessarily affect (them). It was our mistake that ended up affecting the estimation of Hillary's campaign."'

Did he realize how idiotic that sounds???

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
66. I'm sure he didn't
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

but thankfully the Denver Post did. They got caught and didn't have a plausible explanation for it so you got this drivel.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
29. They are fucking CHEATERS.The "Party" has been lying, cheating and stealing to benefit ONE candidate
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
34. What do you mean, "We", BernieBro?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

Kidding. Yes, I agree, this is just another example of dishonesty by Democratic leadership and the Clinton campaign.

It appears that Clinton will win, by hook or by crook, and we have to choose between her and someone just about as bad in the general.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
91. You ain't seen nothing yet...wait till the #NYPrimary.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

It's a "must win" for Hillary and the establishment. I'm pretty sure they will be using every underhanded tactic at their disposal.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
35. Hell of as way to make young voters into your future voters...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

This Granny sez that your voting block is dying off, and the people that you are disenfranchising will be your ruin.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
44. U.S. voting is just one big fraud. This is yet another example of "Plunder and Whoops! Plunder and
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

Whoops!"

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. They admitted the mistake - bottom line the delegate was awarded to Sanders, so it did NOT.....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

...."cost" him a delegate.

If you've been following the delegate counts from day to day, several states have changed due to district recounts, recalculations, etc.

It happens every four years, nothing unusual and certainly nothing underhanded, except for the Sanders people in Nevada telling Clinton delegates they didn't have to show up for their convention.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
47. How does the earth not shift off its axis with the centrifugal force of all that spin?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

I think any due diligence accountant, any FBI agent, or any insurance investigator is always careful to note when a figure coincidentally changes an outcome, and when that same number can be found coinciding in two different columns, and conclude in their investigations that someone performed a CALCULATION to derive that figure.

Bottom line - somebody intentionally keyed in the wrong numbers, which intentionally added 570 to one total and subtracted 570 from another total (proving it was not a typo, but a exacting calculation) and those numbers happened to be enough to shift a 5-3 split vote up to a 4-4 tie vote.

Not a coincidence. Not an accident. No investigator would think so either. This is not a "no harm, no foul" situation.

It's bad faith.
It's collusion.
It's conspiracy (group of two people or more keeping a secret or information from an affected third person)
It's disenfranchisement.

elias7

(4,007 posts)
70. And Watergate didn't really yield any useful information or changed result. No harm, no foul
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

Is this what you are cheerleading?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
56. Glad you brought up Nevada
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

This is from the Denver Post article:

But the first public indication of the mistake only became apparent at the 1st District convention straw poll Saturday, when Sanders took five delegates and Clinton three.

Sanders supporters initially thought the campaign picked up support in Colorado. But Palacio said Clinton didn't lose support — "we just misreported it."



If they misreported in Nevada that would explain why so many Hillary supporters failed to show up. They failed to show up because they were never supposed to be there in the first place. I think someone needs to look into the Nevada numbers and any other Caucus where Hillary supporters were reported as having failed to show up.

Stryder

(450 posts)
46. I'm certain
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

one of these "Oopsies" are gonna swing Bernie's way...
Sooner or later...
Yup... any day now.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
78. From the Colorado Democratic Party this afternoon --
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, April 12 2016
Contact: Rick Palacio; 303-623-4762, info@coloradodems.org

CDP Chair Statement on Nominating Process

Denver, Colorado - Today, Colorado Democratic Party Chair Rick Palacio released the following statement related to Colorado’s Democratic nominating process:

“Today, the Denver Post misreported several facts which relate to Colorado’s Democratic nominating process. On caucus night, preliminary and unofficial results were posted online in an effort to share as much information as we had in a timely manner. Those preliminary and unofficial results showed a higher level of support for Secretary Clinton than she actually received in a handful of precincts in Denver County. After a verification process, the official results, along with the caucus worksheets were sent to both Presidential campaigns at the same time just days following precinct caucuses. It appeared that the Clinton campaign did not review the information until last week, at which point they asked to clarify the information previously sent to their team.

"What was posted on caucus night were only preliminary results which were not used in the allocation of delegates at any level. The Denver Post misreported this fact, and didn't accurately report the fact that both campaigns received the correct data at the same time within days of the caucus. If one used the official data which was shared with both presidential campaigns to predict the outcome of the 1st Congressional District Convention, the prediction would have been 5 delegates for Sen. Sanders and 3 delegates for Sec. Clinton, and the actual, official results of the Saturday’s 1st Congressional District Convention were 5 delegates elected for Sen. Sanders and 3 delegates elected for Sec. Clinton.

"We sincerely apologize for this confusion it has caused around the caucus process and any changes that affect the estimation of national delegates allocated in the state of Colorado.”

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
98. hmmmmmm,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

alright. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. We're all on high alert due to the plethora of foul play and happy accidents that always seem to occur in favor of one side. Some honest mistakes or mis-reports are bound to happen and at least they addressed this in full without just ignoring it until it goes away. I'll take this one at face value.

Colorado is on the Hilary Victory Fund list though. They're being held up for $66,000. Small change to a state party I'm sure, but they are on the list... so I'm watching them.

Perogie

(687 posts)
79. I'm in CD2. It was crazy
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

Glad that Bernie delegates are diehards. We still might pick up a few more next count

ananda

(28,866 posts)
80. So.. why hasn't this "mistake" been rectified and..
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

.. the delegate returned to Sanders?

I know what I think.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
101. Tip of the Crooked and Corrupt voting system.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

The whole rigged mess leaves me endlessly amazed.

But, chalk up more for Bernie.

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