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vkkv

(3,384 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:44 PM Apr 2016

Caravaggio worth fortune found in French attic

Source: AFP ( Paris)

Paris (AFP) - A painting stumbled upon in the attic of a house in France is an authentic work by Italian Renaissance master Caravaggio and could be worth up to 120 million euros, experts said Tuesday.

The large canvas of the beheading of General Holofernes by Judith from the apocryphal biblical Book of Judith is in remarkably good condition, and was painted between 1600 and 1610, specialists believe.

Expert Eric Turquin said it could be worth as much as 120 million euros ($137 million), describing the painting as having "the light, the energy typical of Caravaggio, without mistakes, done with a sure hand and a pictorial style that makes it authentic".

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/caravaggio-attic-original-experts-134439011.html



Caravaggio was NUTS! There was really something wrong with the guy.. violent, got in fights, lost his right to carry a sword... but a great artist.
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Caravaggio worth fortune found in French attic (Original Post) vkkv Apr 2016 OP
great post! thanks navarth Apr 2016 #1
He was a master of chiaroscuro, very dramatic work. brush Apr 2016 #2
That was the 1st thing I thought of as well.. JunkYardDogg Apr 2016 #10
You must be an artist? brush Apr 2016 #16
Wanna be, at best JunkYardDogg Apr 2016 #21
Not many people, or wiseasses, know what chiaroscuro is though. So you're cool. brush Apr 2016 #50
Thank you for the compliment JunkYardDogg Apr 2016 #58
I'll bet you like Artemesia Gentileschi, too. okasha Apr 2016 #53
Was not familiar with her JunkYardDogg Apr 2016 #57
120 million Euros surfer2009 Apr 2016 #3
Carravagio is in the top tier of artists. His style ushered in the Baroque movement. brush Apr 2016 #19
Fascinating. Two things- part of a Monument's Men collection from WWII- secretly Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #4
Article says it was purchased in the 19th century by a family member in Spain and brought Hestia Apr 2016 #6
Caravaggio was something else. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #5
Okay, I'll brag! My brother and I found some unbeknownst to us antique maps of my father's vkkv Apr 2016 #8
I need to get an attic! Pacifist Patriot Apr 2016 #13
... or parents who were big art collectors... Both are good to have! eom vkkv Apr 2016 #18
You inherited good taste in tunes, as well, I see. leveymg Apr 2016 #38
Well.. thank you very much.. Very long time fan of course. An old buddy of mine has a vkkv Apr 2016 #42
All of my buddies are old, these days. Sigh. But, nice to meet new kindred souls before the fact! leveymg Apr 2016 #43
Caravaggio sounds like the kind of guy I'd do mushrooms with. GOLGO 13 Apr 2016 #7
only if you wanted to be shown as a victim on the tv show forensic files dembotoz Apr 2016 #12
Two experts think it was painted by Louis Finson and not Caravaggio... JimDandy Apr 2016 #9
And other experts say it's a Caravaggio... Sounds as though it still needs to be analyzed more... eo vkkv Apr 2016 #11
It's fascinating that two paintings of this work were mentioned in Finson's will. JimDandy Apr 2016 #14
Why can't I find stuff like this in my attic LynneSin Apr 2016 #15
I found an old sewing machine in mine. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #17
I'm checking mine now. Akicita Apr 2016 #20
Is there a market for rodent droppings? nt elljay Apr 2016 #22
He is a master of light and dark, and composition. alfredo Apr 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author alfredo Apr 2016 #24
I've always thought that the story of rusty fender Apr 2016 #25
And of course, there WAS a biographical film done. closeupready Apr 2016 #28
I had no idea! rusty fender Apr 2016 #30
I strongly disagree that the film was "ho-hum." crim son Apr 2016 #48
I will rec this enthusiastically reflection Apr 2016 #26
Great minds think alike! Close To The Edge is truly an amazing piece of work, vkkv Apr 2016 #27
Well acquainted with GG, thanks! reflection Apr 2016 #29
Excellent! Nektar, Le Orme.. ELP, PFM, Banco.. can't forget Magma! All great stuff... eom vkkv Apr 2016 #31
All prog bands and fusion music indelibly stamped on my consciousness. leveymg Apr 2016 #40
Saw GG and Focus at a double-bill at the Academy of Music in '73. leveymg Apr 2016 #41
Wow, nice.. Power & The Glory tour I suppose.. I first saw them open for Yes in '74 on Yes' 2nd vkkv Apr 2016 #44
Small houses, up close are the best. But, then there was Watkins Glen. leveymg Apr 2016 #46
It was the Midnight Show in '74. My bad. leveymg Apr 2016 #47
"Seems I need to defrag the hard-drive." vkkv Apr 2016 #49
There's a good plot element in Ordinary Decent Criminal regarding Caravaggio. eggplant Apr 2016 #32
Cool hibbing Apr 2016 #33
Love me some Caravaggio shenmue Apr 2016 #34
Here's the canvas itself. Astonishingly light and bright for a painting that's 400 years old. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #35
Must have been found in an attic 30 years ago, because I recall seeing this painting decades ago. leveymg Apr 2016 #45
!!!!! allan01 Apr 2016 #36
could be by woman artist Artemesia Gentileschi... CTyankee Apr 2016 #37
I prefer Artemesia's version, CTYankee Little_Wing Apr 2016 #52
I don't think so, CT. okasha Apr 2016 #54
I actually did an art essay here at DU on her. I had the feeling that since she was a rape CTyankee Apr 2016 #56
I agree. okasha Apr 2016 #60
I have another one that I hope to post one of these days when health and furniture CTyankee Apr 2016 #62
Wishing you a speedy resolution to both. okasha Apr 2016 #63
me, too. slow process on both fronts. I also have a trip to Sicily at the end of CTyankee Apr 2016 #64
The line between genius and insanity is very narrow. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #39
A lot of them were nuts but... ailsagirl Apr 2016 #51
Caravaggio was quite the boy, for sure Angel Martin Apr 2016 #55
hmmm..... a beheading in The Book of Ruth UpInArms Apr 2016 #59
Book of Judith. okasha Apr 2016 #61

JunkYardDogg

(873 posts)
10. That was the 1st thing I thought of as well..
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

He is one of my more favorite artists
Dramatic is the operative word, and powerful

Lost his right to carry a sword?
Where was the NSA? National Sword Association? What about the 2nd amendment- The right to bear swords?
Just how did they separate his "Sword" from his body? Sounds rather painful
They took his sword away, how did they expect him to get laid? No wonder he was pissed off

JunkYardDogg

(873 posts)
21. Wanna be, at best
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

I just really like art,
In art class, long time ago, learned about " chiaroscuro" and I really liked his work
I like powerful works, my favorite painting at the Louvre is Gericault's "Raft of the Medusa"
I see a related progression between Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Delacroix and Gericault, that type of style

I am more of a wiseass than an artist


JunkYardDogg

(873 posts)
57. Was not familiar with her
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

Until now
Very interesting works and her story as well, especially for that time period of male dominance
She did some paintings for the Medicis
Judith Slaying Holofernes is an awesome painting
Thanks for the heads up
Cool stuff

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
4. Fascinating. Two things- part of a Monument's Men collection from WWII- secretly
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

tucked away and never found until now? Or is it a fake? I remember his art being out of proportion like Barbie dolls--weird long arms, necks and legs. This one looks more proportional but Gawd, what a garish topic.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
6. Article says it was purchased in the 19th century by a family member in Spain and brought
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

to the house, most likely put in the attic due to gruesome scene.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
5. Caravaggio was something else.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

He murdered his prostitute/girlfriend's pimp by stabbing him in the groin (the girlfriend was the model in the already-known painting of Judith beheading Holofernes). But it seems like people in those days often had, shall we say, colorful lives. Take, for example, the composer Carlo Gesualdo, a brilliant musician who was as mad as a box of frogs - murdered his wife and her lover (having caught them in flagrante), had himself flogged repeatedly, and was just all kinds of weird.

I wish I could find stuff like unknown Caravaggio paintings in my attic.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
8. Okay, I'll brag! My brother and I found some unbeknownst to us antique maps of my father's
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

in their basement after he passed... A. Goos / John Speed "Asia" ( 1626), Munster 'La table des Isles neufues.. ' (~1556) , Vaugondy's 'Carte de la Californie', several Tallis maps, a "Franklin On Electricity" book from 1769.. a full page Tarzan comic from the 30's I think it is... Lot's of unseen Hiroshige and Hokusai woodblock prints.. He had given me a Tallis 'North America' map a long time ago and we all knew about the Ortelius, Hondius and Bleau / Jansson maps that he had framed, but not all of these! it was very much a shock. He had very good taste in art. He only paid a couple hundred of bucks for the more valuable maps and some are worth many thousands now.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
42. Well.. thank you very much.. Very long time fan of course. An old buddy of mine has a
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

7" record of "Total Mass Retain" Single Edit from 'Close To The Edge"... didn't get a lot of radio play!

Rest in peace Chris Squire, a bass guitar God as demonstrated by his talent for writing bass lines that weave melodically through several measures before resolving. No one else does that.


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. All of my buddies are old, these days. Sigh. But, nice to meet new kindred souls before the fact!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

From Surrealistic Pillow and Sergeant Pepper's forward, all my days, may all the great bands continue playing at once inside my head. What a soundtrack to this movie!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
9. Two experts think it was painted by Louis Finson and not Caravaggio...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

Turquin told a news conference on Tuesday that there "will never be a consensus" about the artist.

Two Caravaggio experts he consulted with attributed the painting to Louis Finson, a Flemish painter and art dealer who was familiar with Caravaggio, Turquin said. Finson possessed a number of works from the Italian master and made copies of his pictures.

"But the third expert I met told me that it was not only a Caravaggio, but also a masterpiece," Turquin said. "'Judith Beheading Holofernes' must be considered the most important painting, by far, to have emerged in the last 20 years by one of the great masters."

The picture has been awarded "National Treasure" status by French authorities, meaning that it can't be exported for 30 months, leaving the national museums enough time for its acquisition.


http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lost-caravaggio-painting-found-attic-france-38326702

Probably is still worth a lot, even if it is Finson's work and not Caravaggio's.
 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
11. And other experts say it's a Caravaggio... Sounds as though it still needs to be analyzed more... eo
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
14. It's fascinating that two paintings of this work were mentioned in Finson's will.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

He is known to have bought Caravaggio's original and to also have painted at least one copy of it. The article wasn't clear as to whether the original was one of the works explicitly mentioned in the will, but it did say that the acknowledged Finson copy resides in a bank in Naples.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. Why can't I find stuff like this in my attic
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

Not fair

Only thing I've found was dust and dead bugs

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
23. He is a master of light and dark, and composition.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

As a photography enthusiast, I try to learn from the masters, and his work is an inspiration for my darker, moodier images.

His use of leading lines are incredible in this image

Response to vkkv (Original post)

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
25. I've always thought that the story of
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

his life would make a great movie, sort of like an Amadeus type film.

His birth name was Michelangelo Merisi, but he was referred to as Caravaggio, the town from which he came.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
28. And of course, there WAS a biographical film done.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

But since Jarman was openly gay, it doesn't count.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090798/?ref_=nm_knf_i1

It admittedly was a kind of ho-hum film, but it WAS based upon his life.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
48. I strongly disagree that the film was "ho-hum."
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

It was filmed in such a way as to represent Carvaggio's incredible artistic style. To each his own, of course, but I'd definitely check it out.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
26. I will rec this enthusiastically
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

both for the great story and because I am listening to your avatar as we speak. You have spectacular taste in music, sir/madam!

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
27. Great minds think alike! Close To The Edge is truly an amazing piece of work,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

Ever listen to Gentle Giant? Check out Three Friends, Octopus, In A Glass House, Power & The Glory or Free Hand sometime..


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reflection

(6,286 posts)
29. Well acquainted with GG, thanks!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

I particularly like the eponymous track on 'In a Glass House'. Even though I was born in 1970 and too young to appreciate it at the time, I find myself gravitating to all of the prog rock from that decade... Crimson, Tull, Genesis, Hawkwind, Captain Beyond and so on. I even have a copy of Solar Music from Grobschnitt that enjoys heavy rotation on my car stereo.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
40. All prog bands and fusion music indelibly stamped on my consciousness.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

Sat 10 feet away as Sri Chinmoy and Billy Cobham (Mahavishnu Orchestra) played a back room in a Connecticut restaurant with 15 others one evening and the next weekend took in Yes at a stadium in Jersey City. What nights those were in the summer of '73.

Also was blessed to have seen a number of Caravaggio canvases close up. Also mind-blowing.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
41. Saw GG and Focus at a double-bill at the Academy of Music in '73.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

One of the most expansive evenings of my young life.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
44. Wow, nice.. Power & The Glory tour I suppose.. I first saw them open for Yes in '74 on Yes' 2nd
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

Relayer tour at the Cow Palace in S.F.. G.G. was touring Free Hand perhaps even before it came out in the U.S. Saw G.G. again in San Jose doing the Missing Piece tour and lastly in SF at a very small penthouse club, the Old Waldorf, doing the Civilian Tour. Amazing talent.. Thanks for responding.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
46. Small houses, up close are the best. But, then there was Watkins Glen.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

That was July '73, and my personal introduction to larger than life concerts. All 600,000 of us. Along the Allman Bros, The Band and the Dead. That was quite a summer.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
47. It was the Midnight Show in '74. My bad.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

But, it was still a great show at the Academy. You wouldn't believe the scene downstairs in the Lounge. Getting my transcendent experiences mixed up. Seems I need to defrag the hard-drive.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
32. There's a good plot element in Ordinary Decent Criminal regarding Caravaggio.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

Kevin Spacey is great in it.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
33. Cool
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

Took two semesters of art history in college while I was trying to figure out what to do with my life. 30 years later I still don't know what I'm doing with my life, but those art history classes stuck with me.

Peace

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
35. Here's the canvas itself. Astonishingly light and bright for a painting that's 400 years old.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

French art expert Eric Turquin stands beside a painting that may be by Caravaggio, which was found in the attic of a house near Toulouse, southwestern France (AFP Photo/Patrick Kovarik)

Little_Wing

(417 posts)
52. I prefer Artemesia's version, CTYankee
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

Much grittier and realistic. Carravagio's (if it is indeed by him)seems so genteel and antiseptic in comparison. These sisters know what they are doing, and they aren't afraid to get dirty in the process.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
54. I don't think so, CT.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

Artemesia dealt with the subject three times at least--twice with the actual beheading and once with Judith and her maid about to make their escape with Holofernes' head. All are far more realistic than either the known Carravaggio or the new one, and there's a sexual element (Judith's disarranged gown) that's absent from Carravaggio's rather detatched Judith.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. I actually did an art essay here at DU on her. I had the feeling that since she was a rape
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

victim, she had a personal stake in the decapitation of Holofernes...

okasha

(11,573 posts)
60. I agree.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

I did a paper on violence in her work, including self directed violence.. I do remember your essay.and always enjoy your art pieces here.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
62. I have another one that I hope to post one of these days when health and furniture
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:19 PM
Apr 2016

issues are resolved.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
64. me, too. slow process on both fronts. I also have a trip to Sicily at the end of
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

April. It will be my second trip there, my fifth to Italy and my 13th to Europe. But I am thinking it might be time to stop doing them...I'm not getting any younger...

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
51. A lot of them were nuts but...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:45 PM
Apr 2016

aside from a few exceptions, it seemed to make for better art.

Munch's best stuff was painted before he went into a sanitarium (so say the experts-- I don't necessarily agree.)

(Obviously The Scream was painted before)

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