Bill Clinton Says Black Lives Matter Activists Are Defending Murderers And Drug Dealers

[Purveyor]

Source: Independent UK

While campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Philadelphia on Thursday, Bill Clinton defended his wife's criminal justice platform against activists during a 15-minute exchange.

The protesters began shouting "black youth are not 'super predators'" referring to language that Mrs Clinton used in 1996 to support her husband's 1994 crime bill.

“I talked to a lot of African-American groups [in 1994]," Mr Clinton shouted back. "They thought black lives mattered. They said take this bill because our kids are being shot in the street by gangs. We had 13-year-old kids planning their own funerals."

Mr Clinton added that then-Senator Joe Biden advised him to add provisions that would give harsher prison sentences to offenders in order to gain Republican support. He also defended Mrs Clinton's use of the word "super predators" to describe black youth.

"This is what's the matter," Mr Clinton shouted back. "I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other African-American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens, she didn't. She didn't. You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter."

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bill-clinton-says-black-lives-matter-activists-are-defending-murderers-and-drug-dealers-a6973946.html

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. hey brave one

got to love this one

[upaloopa]

8. 1. Hillary Clinton did not say Black children are super preditors

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2. Yes there were Black gangs with super preditors. There were Hispanic gangs like the Avenues in my neighborhood who killed Black children.

Turning this into a campaign things to score points is just not the honorable thing to do.

I am not defending the crime bill or just trying to set the record straight but I doubt you care.

[roguevalley]

10. of course she did. I was around when she said it and everyone, EVERYONE knew who she was talking

about.

[upaloopa]

30. You are just flat out wrong

No First Lady would call the children of Black parents super Preditors. She was referring to gang leaders who preyed on kids
And everyone knew it.

The idea you are using was invented recently to Bash Hillary and you know it.

[Cassiopeia]

34. Gang leaders that were black children.

[Amimnoch]

91. Well, now we know what YOU think. Facts differ.

The speech was specifically about GANGS. You might like to know that ethnicity wise, African Americans weren't even the majority of gangs in the US.

Me think's you are projecting your own beliefs here, and it's not attractive at all.



https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics

[Cassiopeia]

95. The stats between Hispanic and Blacks are pretty close,

but we all knew who the Clinton's were talking about.

Gangs and welfare were their issue of the time in a desperate attempt to gain right leaning voters.

[Amimnoch]

97. You obviously based your "knowledge" off of your own bias.

Sorry, but if you only hear "black" when the topic of "gang" is brought up, and even see that black Americans aren't even the majority, you really should step back and assess your won bias.

I guess "they are close" is good enough to make the argument for you though.

Because I'm assuming you identify yourself as either a Democrat, liberal, or progressive (being an established contributor to this site), I'm assuming you are not knowingly partaking in an argument that IS based on bigotry.

If in your mind "gang" = "black", you really should take a step back and give some consideration to the way you assess related topics.

[Cassiopeia]

103. Hispanics were being attacked on just being in the US.

Nobody was screaming about the Hispanic gangs. They were attacked for crossing illegally whether they had or not.

I didn't assume anything then or now, but the majority of people that the message was targeted towards heard 'Black' rightly or wrongly.

The fact that the Clinton's have never tried to correct that way of thinking tells us that was their exact message.

[Amimnoch]

105. You have something to base this on other than your opinion?

I give you statistics from a government website, and you give me an opinion with nothing.

I swear, it's like arguing with climate change deniers. I give them science, studies, and graphs, and they give me an opinion, or some comment about the weather being nice where they live.

[Cassiopeia]

114. A scientific study will not explain the message

the Clinton's were trying to and successfully conveyed in the 90's.

The message about Hispanics was always framed in a way to attack them on being here illegally.

The message about Blacks was always framed in gang activity or welfare abusers.

Was any of it true? absolutely not, but that was the message the Clinton's successfully instilled at the time. How the actual truth compares is moot.

[nyabingi]

184. I think most people understand the coded language the conservatives

have been using for a long time, and words like "gang member", "welfare queen" and "thug" have typically been used to denote someone who is Black. A "terrorist" could be anyone involved in terrorism, but many have come to equate "terrorist" with "Muslim". You know how this works.

Stop trying to turn this around in order to defend Hillary's indefensible and racist comments. She was mimicking language and terminology she picked up from racist conservatives at the time and she meant what she said.

[Amimnoch]

172. So you equate the majority of gang numbers, as presented by a government agency

as a justification of Trump's call for a wall?

Or are you questioning the validity of the numbers?

Really rather telling where people's minds are going. I show numbers that the FALSE assumption that "Gang" = "black" and you take that opportunity to present it as "Gang" = "Hispanic numbers".. and do it is such a lovely, and way.

Yeah, I'm the one that should be calling Drumph.

[whathehell]

156. So you're saying that if these gang leaders were black children, they

shouldn't have been held responsible?

[Amimnoch]

189. No, what I'm saying is "gang" does not equal "black"

Sort of all flowers are plants, but not all plants are flowers.

The whole argument that a speech about gangs actually being about black people (and that IS what is being presented by some here) is a referential fallacy at best . If someone wants to make that argument the onus probandi is on them to actually make that case. This argument as presented does not make that case in the face of the evidence that the statics that would support that argument are nonexistant (and outright contradictory).

Not all black people are gang members (actually a very small percentage are), not all of those who are gang members would fit the "superpreditor" description (I've never seen statistic, but I'd bet that is also a very small percentage of the very small percentage).

follow this that not all people who are gang members are black.. Black people don't even make up the majority of gang members of that small percentage of the population that are in gangs.

That there are gang members who do fit the "superpreditor" model is indisputable. There's news stories easily found that would support that. They are so rare and shocking that it does normally make news headlines. Not all of that very small demographic would be of ANY specific race. As evidence of fact, the statics that I provided shows that very clearly. And therein lies the entire fallacy of this whole ad hominem style of attack.

[whathehell]

190. I agree with you..

so if you're black and not a gang member, what's the problem?

[Demonaut]

48. .....it's "predAtors"..when peeps argue a point then get the spelling right

[mpcamb]

54. Spelling aside, this looks like pimping for Republican cross-over votes.

[Volaris]

80. That would be the functional definition of triangulation, yes.

That's the first leg, the second is Hippie-punching, and the third and last is 'what now do I need to put in this or say in order for elected DEMOCRATS to vote for it?'.

It looks like pimping for Republican votes cause that's exactly what it is.

Hillary is running the last campaign of the 20thCentury.

[metroins]

55. A study says

Grammar police are less happy than regular folk.

If you can figure out what the poster is saying, I don't see a reason to be less happy.

[gabeana]

59. I also heard

on the radio that grammar police have psychopath disorder, not all but some

[AlbertCat]

74. If you can figure out what the poster is saying

If they would use correct spelling and grammar, you wouldn't have to figure out anything.


People who think grammar and spelling don't matter must not care much about excellence or even doing a good job. I suppose we should all be like Teabaggers who can't even be bothered to spell their signs correctly they care so much about their cause!






SERIOUSLY.... everyone makes grammar and spelling mistakes all the time. One should only get upset about it if it's a professional...like an author or journalist. But even everyday folks should at least try to get it right. It makes others take you more seriously. And if someone corrects you... say "Thank you". Getting all huffy just makes one look even more like a hayseed.

[metroins]

76. Or....

We could try to understand not everybody learns the same way, or they may have had inadequate schooling.

In my opinion it's bullying unless a person is so far off you cannot understand them.

My wife with her Masters degree spells doesn't, dosen't. My father a General Superintendent spells sleep, sleep.

The posters with bad spelling likely know it's not their strong point. Trying to nullify an entire thought because of one word is bullying.

I spell extremely well, but I have poor grammar and sentence structure. Yet I've written multiple books.

[Demonaut]

134. sorry, it wasn't meant to be bullying, it's easy enough to use the spell check and hell..

they might learn something.

[AlbertCat]

159. In my opinion it's bullying

Ridiculous!

I misspell everything,I I made an 8 out of 100 on a spelling test once) but (now) go back and edit....even these posts.

[Demonaut]

121. that study was commisioned by poor spellers

in all seriousness...it's hard to have a cogent argument when the argument is peppered with poor spelling or grammar

[passiveporcupine]

67. She wasn't just talking about the gang leaders,

If she had been, she would have said so. She included all the young kids who bought into the gangs, because growing up in poverty, that was the only thing they knew to do.

Why was this not happening in middle class neighborhoods, or wealthy neighborhoods? Because the target is the poor who have no hopes, who see no opportunity. (like ISIS or Al Qaeda)


Yes, you can ramp up militarism to lock down these neighborhoods, but the only thing that will really stop the crime, is give the youth an opportunity to get out of that kind of poverty.

And look at how it ended up. More poor neighborhoods and more crime and more poverty. More broken families and we still are seeing high numbers of gun violence in these neighborhoods.

This was not the right approach to fixing the problem. Bernie knew it and said so at the time.

[Duval]

69. +1 nt

[maindawg]

82. Agreed

It's not black people who she was attacking. It's poor people. You don't see the police busting people snorting coke on the verendas, on the TV show ,cops. You see them shaking down poor people. It's quite disturbing , they never pull over rich people and get the dogs. It's always poor people.
Black lives matter is not about gang violence. Bill Clinton is trying to twist what BLM is about. BLM is about innocent people being killed by police.

[redruddyred]

123. try telling that to the AA group :( nt

[840high]

84. ty

[Zorroinhell]

94. Here

Your beloved Hillary I dare you to watch:

#t=488

[downeastdaniel]

147. Yes, the truth shall win out over BS lies...and let Bill keep speaking, as he is Bernie's

Secret Weapon.

[whathehell]

155. She was talking about gang members...Unless you think every AA child is a gang member

she wasn't talking about AA kids in general...That should be simple enough, dontcha think?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. in another thread you called yourself an old fart

tell me another story - tell me about her trip to bosnia

lol

[upaloopa]

43. I am an old fart I will be 70 on May 14, 2016

I don't tell stories I am not familiar with

[SoLeftIAmRight]

44. wow - you do not know about hillay's bosnia trip?????????????

damn - you might want to look into it

[gabeana]

60. I'll help found this video

rather easy

[SoLeftIAmRight]

63. Many Many Thanks

...

[appalachiablue]

26. Of course she did, right here on tape. And it's Predators-not predictors or preditors.

"Kids that are called Super Predators, no conscience, no empathy...first we have to bring them to heel". As in nonhuman, animals, got it?

[upaloopa]

45. My I-phone changes words when the I misspell which I do all the time

You are taking her words out of context like in the OKeefe school of journalism

[appalachiablue]

52. There is nothing to take out of context. Hillary said it all clearly, exactly what she meant.

[notadmblnd]

78. Her partner Bill pretty much reaffirmed it today

with his remarks to the BLM protesters.

[gabeana]

62. Was her Bosnia comments back in 08

taken out of context too

[Fuddnik]

138. You're trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Revisionist history is a gas.

[Amimnoch]

92. So you read "kids that are.. " as meaning "black kids that are..."? Interesting.

Especially considering the speech was about gang violence, and both today as well as when that speech was given African american's weren't even the majority of gang activity in the country.

Perhaps you should take a step back and re-assess your own bias and projection into what was actually said.



https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics

[appalachiablue]

99. Where did I write BLACK kids? This is who the law targeted as is known unless

Irish, Asian, Indian or other groups were in mind, which is not the case. Urban youth and people of color were specified for both the 1994 Crime Bill and the Welfare Deform Act of 1996. Common knowledge.

[Amimnoch]

104. Umm.. Your opening statement "of course she did"

And the line of the person you was responding to which clearly pointed out that she did NOT reference "black kids".

And to your strawman, yes, it does include the super predator gang members that are Asian, Irish, and any other ethnicity that does fall under the "other" category of the chart I provided.

The fact that you insinuate that other races don't have any members is more telling about your own projection than anything else.

[appalachiablue]

108. I don't project, have strawmen, or insinuate anything but I'm very familiar with

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ethnic groups and Clinton policies during their two terms in DC. So umm, proceed with your efforts.

[noiretextatique]

191. Racist bullshit at that time

As much as she denies it. Bullshit then, bullshit now.

[appalachiablue]

195. 100%, a foot deep and still stinking to high Hell.

[MisterFred]

31. White gangs, too.

Why leave that out? Why just blame minorities?

[Angrydemex]

83. white gangs?

What white gangs do you know of? I'm pretty sure the dead rabbits and the confederation of American natives are a thing of the past.

[Amimnoch]

100. When this speech was given, 12% of gangs in the US WERE white.

See my posts above with statistics right from the national gang center. Black's haven't even been the majority of gang activity in the US throughout the whole period.

The percentages are also very closely linked to poverty even more so than race. Poverty=increased crime.

[XemaSab]

135. Because the Aryan Brotherhood goes around recruiting children

n/t

[Riverbends]

96. White Gangs are called "Lacrosse Teams" n/t

[MisterFred]

125. See Ammimnoch's comment above. nt

[Ghost OF Trotsky]

81. And, if the phrase had been around in the 1890's

They would have used it to describe the doings of my Irish ancestors.

[Zorroinhell]

90. Coded language

When Hillary used that coded language she was talking to a white crowd!
When in fact the real drug dealers were in fact THE CIA! The problem is that when Bill Clinton was president, is when that story by Gary Webb broke at the San Jose Mercury News. They made a movie about it so Americans can follow along a lot easier. The story went away because the media was more mesmerized by Bill Clinton getting blow jobs from his intern, Monica Lowinski

[morningfog]

126. She said kids were super predators.

[billhicks76]

139. Hillary Reeks Of Dishonesty...Bill Probably Learned It From Her

I usually dislike the NY Post...its a right wing rag...but this piece about what it's like for secret service agents to work with her really made me wonder because I can just see the fakeness, lies and venom dripping off of her where she simply cannot hide it.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

[billhicks76]

141. People Here Ignorant

I vividly recall the '92 PBS Roundtable Debate. Jerry Brown was surging advocating some of the same things Bernie is. But the fix was in. Clinton came out of nowhere. An unknown small state governor and close friends with Bush Sr (not reported in media). Perot had jumped in as spoiler because he knew Bush was nefarious from witnessing what happened with IranContra. Perot hated drugs and knew Bush was opening up importation routes. The debate was unconventional. A photo was splashed on the big screen if Sam Nunn and Bill Clinton inspecting prisoners at a boot camp, one of the first private prisons. This horrible photo was put up by Brown. It was a row it 20 African-Americans in zebra striped fatigues and shackled ankle to ankle. It looked like it was from the 1920s and not only incredibly racist and demeaning but the way Clinton and Nunn were walking by they looked like Nazi camp guards. Really bad optics. Clinton turned beet red and angrily shook his finger at Brown and said verbatim,"Jerry...you don't know what you're messing with." It was obvious to me he meant Bush Sr and the national and domestic security state future plans for the country. Bill was the backup plan in case ex-CIA Director, George Bush, lost. Bill has always been a fake albeit an angry one.

[Angrydemex]

142. Yes she did

Even if it wasn't her exact words , we all knew what she meant. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[intheflow]

152. Well, these are black activists who interpreted Ms. Clinton's words that way.

But you know, black people must just be misinterpreting what she meant. You're dismissing black voices to score points for your own political needs.

[reddread]

153. by all means, correct the recird

[guillaumeb]

2. Perhaps William Clinton should be asked to defend "welfare reform" also.

And NAFTA. And the sanctions against Iraq that resulted in the needless deaths of an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children.

[MoonchildCA]

37. He was trying to defend welfare reform in that clip.

[appalachiablue]

40. Lillie Harden of Little Rock, Arkansas is a person we could ask how well

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welfare 'reform' worked out, but sadly she is no longer alive to say. Used, exploited, called for help but was discarded.

- Lillie Harden Stands to the Left at the Signing of the Welfare Reform Act, Aug. 22, 1996.
AKA- The Failed Workfare Act That Threw Millions of Women and Children into Poverty and Caused Many in Govt. to Resign Including Peter Edelman at HUD.



"Tragic End of the Woman Bill Clinton Exploited As Poster Child For Gutting Welfare", AlterNet, May 11, 2015.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/tragic-end-woman-bill-clinton-exploited-poster-child-gutting-welfare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. NO MORE CLINTONS!

[appalachiablue]

56. "End of the Democratic Party of Bill Clinton", as PBS host Charlie Rose asked last night. AMEN!!

[appalachiablue]

65. NAFTA and Ohio, WTO, TPP and 'Free Trade' Agreements:

[oberliner]

98. The Best Cities for Tech Jobs: #3. Columbus, Ohio

No. 3: Columbus, Ohio
Job growth 2001-2011: 0.5% Job growth 2006-2011: 16.7% Job growth 2009-2011: 5.5% Concentration of tech jobs 2011: 1.26

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/edgl45iif/no-3-columbus-ohio/

[appalachiablue]

101. US or H1-B visa workers, what about years 1994-2001, and the rest of Ohio? Doing well?

[oberliner]

112. The implication that NAFTA is solely responsible is a gross oversimplification

There are a lot of factors that have contributed and will continue to contribute to the shifting of opportunities in different economic sectors. Don't technological innovations play a factor? Assembly lines being more mechanized, for instance. There are many jobs now done by machines that had be done by humans. And our economy is moving more and more in that direction across the US. I recognize that trade policies do play a role, but you have to acknowledge that there are fundamental changes in the way goods are manufactured today versus 25-30 years ago.

[appalachiablue]

113. Responsible for what? You mean jobs? Where did I not acknowledge automation?

[oberliner]

116. The graphic you posted

It seems to imply that the trade agreements are the reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs.

[appalachiablue]

117. It sure does; we've lost 60,000 factories since 2000, and are still bleeding 10

leaving a week.

[oberliner]

119. So I am suggesting that there are other reasons as well

And also that other economic sectors besides manufacturing (such as tech) have grown tremendously in Ohio since the 1990s.

[appalachiablue]

120. I got that. Loss of more than 30% of US manufacturing has been massive regardless.

[redruddyred]

124. a few tech jobs here and there

are meaningless when there isn't the mechanism to educate people into them

sorry, but i call red herring.

[LiberalArkie]

3. K&R

[msongs]

4. the headline is false, he said no such thing nt

[Dragonfli]

7. yes he did verbatim /nt

[Darb]

15. "verbatim" you say? This verbatim?

verbatim

adverb

1. in exactly the same words; word for word:



Could you show me where he said that verbatim? I did not see it.

[Dragonfli]

18. Listen for yourself, I heard him say it, I'm in no mood for the who ya gona' believe your lyin ears

Shit

edited to add, he said everything else verbatim, but the headline does sum it up pretty well.

I apologize, I thought you were denying what he actually said, that was quoted in the actual article and can be clearly heard to be said, I read it too fast because quit frankly he pissed me off, but the headline describes the totality of what he said pretty damn well. I am not unaccustomed to people thinking for some reason that a headline is a quote, so the poster threw me off suggesting that he said or rather didn't say the headline.

For future reference to random posters, headlines are not quotes, they are descriptive summations, just so you know the difference in future.

[Darb]

20. So they just left that quote out of the article of the same title?

"I heard him say it"? Really?

[Dragonfli]

27. read directly above you where I made a correction.

[Darb]

36. I listened, he did not say it even close to verbatim, and only could

be interpreted the way the headline reads by a partisan. Stop being such ridiculous partisans. There is no reason for it. It will not get Bernie the nomination.

[beastie boy]

9. Anything based in reality that makes you guess this?

Your guess has certainly nothing to do with the OP...

[Darb]

38. Damn,

I think you might need to go back to english 101.

[noretreatnosurrender]

57. Interesting Article

Study: People Who Point Out Typos Are Jerks

According to a bunch of fancy linguists, people who are more sensitive to written typos and grammatical errors are indeed the kinds of Type A assholes everyone already suspects them to be.

The findings came from a new study out of the University of Michigan. Researchers gathered 83 people and had them read emails that either contained typos (“mkae” or “abuot”), grammar errors (to/too, it’s/its or your/you’re), or no spelling mistakes at all. At the end, the participants, who had also been asked to give information about themselves, scored the writers on “perceived intelligence, friendliness, and other attributes.”

http://gizmodo.com/study-people-who-point-out-typos-are-jerks-1767969516

[Gore1FL]

102. What part did you have problems understanding?

It seemed readable enough to me.

[beastie boy]

39. I must be hard of hearing... what exactly is he blaiming on Joe Biden, or

black politicians, or Bernie Sanders?

Could you please quote from the clip?

... I hope you are referring to the same clip I am watching at the top of the tread, although I am having great doubts after reading your post.

[beastie boy]

46. Seriously... is this what you call "blame"???

Let me help you some:



Simple Definition of blame

: to say or think that a person or thing is responsible for something bad that has happened


Definition of credit

1
: recognition or honor received for some quality or work <A doctor was given credit for the discovery.> <She got extra credit for her report.>

2
: the balance in an account in a person's favor



Wanna try again?

[roguevalley]

70. you are funny. ha ha.

[haikugal]

128. You didn't watch the video....

[beastie boy]

161. Yes I did. Did you?

[chervilant]

163. How condescending.

Bill Clinton's tirade in the above-linked video is offensive and disingenuous.

I find it interesting that the Hi11ary campaign is in react mode. This tells me that Senator Sanders' campaign has had a significant impact. If Hi11ary was truly "for the people," her focus would be entirely different. She cannot seem to help herself -- she defaults to react mode when she feels threatened, and that's a very dangerous ground on which to stand.

[beastie boy]

165. Condescending is my middle name!

And that goes to those who try to change subject.

Back to the subject, how can I help not being condescending to someone who repeatedly confuses credit for blame?

Speaking of: how is "Hi11ary" or " She cannot seem to help herself" not condescending?

Welcome to the Condescention Convention, pal!

[chervilant]

169. Oh, boy!

You're in react mode, too!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Go, Bernie!!!

#NotMeUs

(I'd put you on my IL with all the "others," but you're just too amusing for words.)

[beastie boy]

171. You are not very good at paying attention, are you?

I am in a condescending mode. And so are you, compadre.

But I like your ironclad retort: "Bwahahahahaha!!!". Can't argue with that, can ya?

[chervilant]

192. Poor wee mannie...

First of all, I am not your "compadre." Second, I am not interested in any further discourse with you.

(I may have to change my mind about updating my IL...)

[beastie boy]

194. Like it or not, you are my compadre. We are both in the condescention business.

Me out in the open and you out of the closet of self-righteousness.

Looking forward to your coming out party!

[deacon_sephiroth]

175. condescending is you middle name

and ignore is mine. PEACE!

[beastie boy]

179. Cool

Nothing says ignore like replying to my post.

[daleanime]

28. ........

[bvf]

66. Yep. And the amnesty marches on. n/t

[arcane1]

110. Notice how harsh, angry, and content-free the defenses have been?

Old Bill messed up, and some people can't handle not knowing how to respond to it

[daleanime]

115. Just glad that I'm not the only one who thinks....

those responses are quite a bit over the top, positively venomous.

[rhett o rick]

186. The desperation is palpable. nm

[rhett o rick]

187. 6 hides and still going strong. nm

[whathehell]

157. Her super predators comment was made YEARS before Trayvon Martin -- Separate issue entirely.

I totally support the Black Lives Matter movement -- I don't support homicidal gang members of any race.

[beastie boy]

6. I hear him defending his record, and doing it rather well

I don't hear him saying that Black Lives Matter activists are defending murderers and drug dealers.

Perhaps you've got your videos mixed up? Or your headlines?

[billhicks76]

140. Take Off The Mute Button

[beastie boy]

160. Still hear the same thing. Take off your horse blinders.

[billhicks76]

177. Then I Guesd You're Hopeless

[beastie boy]

178. Keep it ad hominem and fact-free

It lends so much credibility to your posts!

[billhicks76]

180. Clinton Sounded Horrible

He was portraying Black kids as murdeters and hoodlums. The fact is his crime bill imprisoned more non violent offenders than Reagan and Bush Sr combined. This was by design. He's obviously defensive about it and out of touch with average Americans. His rant was racist.

[beastie boy]

182. He sounded nothing like you make him sound

he was portraying habitual criminals and hoodlums as murderers of black kids. See the difference?

[billhicks76]

181. Having A "D" Next To Your Name Is Not A Free Pass

[beastie boy]

183. One more thing

Keeping it ad hominem and fact free makes your posts very classy too

[George II]

12. Why are you misrepresenting what he said AND saying things he never said?

[azmom]

13. He put the blame on Joe Biden

and black leaders. How disgusting is that?

Hillary went around selling the damn thing and then as president he signed it into law, but now it's the fault of Joe Biden and the black leaders. Just wow...

[Darb]

17. What color is the sky in bernieland?

Or whatever land in which you reside.

[azmom]

23. What is your interpretation of what he

said? Do tell.

[Darb]

29. A sane one for sure, not a bernieland one.

He said Joe Biden said the Republicans would kill it, probably because Biden was in a position in the Senate to know what would happen. He blamed the Republicans, but of course it is always Hillary's fault, not the real fuckwads, the Republicans. He didn't blame Biden, he credited him. They had to compromise, which is something reactionaries do not understand.

Now take a few minutes and go to the clue store.

[azmom]

136. He credited Biden for his awesome advise

on how to get this piece of great legislation through. I see now.

Thank god for Bill Clinton and the republicans, and Biden too of course.

[daleanime]

33. No sense in asking, with all the bridges that they have burned down....

you can't get there from here.

[shanti]

130. Pretty quick

How he threw Biden under the bus.

[nichomachus]

14. Bill's getting to be a embarrassment.

Hillary needs to rein him in.

[Darb]

19. What a fucking ridiculous reach.

Keep digging down into the shithole.

[roguevalley]

71. let him continue. he deserves the shit storm he's going to get

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[Sunlei]

21. His intentions are good but years ago streets were cleared of the worse gangbangers, now those

1996 laws, Laws Republicans wanted added, old harsh laws -are still in use today to harass, jail for decades, even kill unfairly mostly people of color. The 'for profit' prisons Corps wrote those laws!!

It's kind of similar to the Bush anti-terror laws, they use those old 9/11 anti-terror laws against people with civil crimes like hacking computers/arson/civil disobedience, to put people in prison for a very long time- who are not terrorists.

[Gregorian]

22. The heart of a Clinton exposed.

How about problem solving for he people instead of building non-solutions which benefit your foundations. Or in the case of Haiti, even worse.

As if this lower class will always be there, killing, doing drugs, hopeless, sick, unemployed. What about we're all one part of the human race, and helping build a better society. That doesn't come through jails, bombs, deregulation.

[chapdrum]

88. Well said, and as to Haiti,

Bill had the great good sense to show up with Dubya in tow, after the last quake.

If you're Haitian, you know that nothing good is going to come from that.

[me b zola]

25. I guess now that the Clintons are done campaigning in the south, they are back to flying

...their true colors.

Disgusting, Bill. We see you and Hillary.

[Dont call me Shirley]

32. "I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up

on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other African-American children."

That's easy to answer: the gang leaders are the cia.

[davekriss]

35. Senility setting in?

I saw the video earlier today on Twitter. So sad. Bill was the best "Republican" president we've had since Eisenhower. Charismatic? Yes. But very damaging in 2 ways (NAFTA and welfare reform).

[recentevents]

42. GED

Bill is like is wife, they both have a GED certificate. "Good Enough Democrat" He wasn't who I wanted to vote for when he ran, but he was GED. I guess if his wife is the nominee, I will have to make the same choice again.

[shanti]

131. No

You really don't.

[pnwmom]

47. Your subject line is FALSE. Bill was talking about violent gang leaders, not young African Americans

in general.

[Amimnoch]

111. Apparently to some here "gang" = "black"

Even when charts are given showing that African americans weren't and still aren't even the majority of gang related activity.. It still means the same thing to them.

[rynestonecowboy]

133. I'm sorry but

A chart doesn't forgive all sins. Anyone with a pulse knows exactly what she means. I feel like she adequetly apologized for her comments but to act like she didn't explicitly mean African american children is naive.

[onecaliberal]

49. But all the mothers of the deceased black children support her...

The mind boggles.

[stupidicus]

50. he needs to pull his foot outta his mouth

and put it in his anal cavity where so many others would like to put theirs

[pantsonfire]

51. Charming....n/t

[JBoy]

58. Variation on "you're either with us, or with the terrorists"

"You're either with us, or with the murderers".

[pothos]

61. Guess the Clinton, Incorporated meltdown continues...

Is Bill purposefully trying to sabotage her? Disgusting comments from him today.

[shanti]

132. Hmmmm

You may be on to something.

[JesterCS]

64. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!? N/t

[Duval]

68. It's sad to see Bill trying to dodge this.

I remember when Hillary said those words. Isn't there a video somewhere of her saying that? Bill is doing Hill no favors. And once he was so strong. I even believed him long ago when he was talking about NAFTA.

Things are so different now with the web.

[KoKo]

72. OMG! Truly worth the Watch...

Not only for the Content but how Bill "Attacks" the BLM's as "Screaming."

All one needs to know about "Clinton 3" Administration..that our Former President would Attack
"BLM's Concerns" so that he and his wife would get back into the White House at any cost by trashing those who disagree with them.

He also attacked Joe Biden! Is there anyone that Bill and Hillary wouldn't "Throw Under the Bus" to WIN?

Rahm Emmanuel trashed the "Dem Progressives" shortly after Obama Won the Presidency...and, Here We Go Again...but BLM is "Under the Bus" along with Biden, and who knows who else, as this Campaign goes on.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

73. Why do they ALWAYS go that way?????

If you are not for the Clintons than that means you are defending the enemy!!!!

That is sooooo "last century".

[logosoco]

75. It seems to me that most of the gang crime would really take a loss if

the drug war was ended. This would also cut down on what the for profit prisons get.

Seems to me that Hillary is woefully behind on the idea of legalizing marijuana. She barely allows for medical marijuana. I am not sure if she get donations from the prison industry. I imagine she gets a lot from pharmaceutical companies, which does not want marijuana used as medicine.

Seems like ending the drug war would be a boon for many communities where gang activity is a problem. And stop the prisons for profits that need people to make their money.

[awake]

77. I am not sure if Bill ever got over not really being the 1st Black President

I also wonder if subconsciouslay he does not want Hillary to be President

[LiberalElite]

85. Now now since Hillary has such a huge AA following- and Bernie doesn't -

Bill's just trying to even out the playing field.

[chapdrum]

87. Yer not supposed to say things like that

when your wife is running for preznit.

[classykaren]

89. Something is very wrong with him.

[KoKo]

107. He is living on The Past...as He Sees It?

Trying to make up for the actions he took with De-Regulation (across the Board) that hurt the Average American much more than he can even acknowledge?

His Wife is Running and he will have his Third Term....Yet I hear NO Apologies from Either Clinton as to what their Eight Year Administration brought down on the American Middle Class and the Poor.

Not a word about the Mistakes they would Correct. We are just to Believe Them...that they are Better than Bernie Sanders for the "Future of America."

Been there and done that.

[JimDandy]

109. I think he's just been itching to say all that.

His ego just couldn't take it anymore--he had been the President! He wanted to defend his legacy, he needed to defend his legacy-every bone in his body screamed at him to stop apologizing for his legacy, even if it wasn't in the best interest of his wife, the current presidential candidate. Watch his face...he smiles in pleased vindication as the dozen dozens of people in the tiny room clap at each pronouncement. Emboldened he steps out farther and farther on the limb, not hearing the crack of the limb with all the clapping coming from the tight circle of supporters around him. Well, they were there to hear him he told himself, so yes, Yes, they were his supporters!

(A tad dramatic there, but surely rooted in Clintonian reality.)

[Divernan]

143. Astute analysis. There's also that passive-aggressive streak in him

that needs to keep HRC from achieving more than he has. We saw it in 2008, when his "racially problematic" comments in South Carolina screwed her over.

Clinton's disappointing loss to Obama in 2008 followed a heated campaign. It included attacks on Obama by her husband, Bill Clinton, that some Obama supporters felt went too far.

"Give me a break. This whole thing's the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," Bill Clinton said of Obama's candidacy back during that contentious primary race. Clinton argued he was talking about Obama's stance on the Iraq War, but black leaders took offense.

http://krwg.org/post/are-black-voters-ready-hillary-clinton

[potone]

166. I think you may be onto something here.

It is quite possible that Bill Clinton has ambivalent feelings about his wife running for president. He also feels the need to defend his legacy as president, which is understandable. He sees himself being attacked in some of Bernie's criticisms of Hillary's votes and policy decisions. That is a very natural response.

What I think his mistake was that rather than addressing the issue of mass incarceration of black and brown men and boys, he charged the protesters with supporting murderers. He could have stated that the crime bill was an attempt to address a serious problem (and violent crime, particularly in minority communities, was a major issue in the 90s), but it was imperfect and had negative, unintended consequences, and needs to be changed now. Instead he went full bore on defending his record. Again, that was understandable, but it was not helpful to Hillary because it just created another controversy. Either he wasn't thinking clearly and was just reacting, or he does have a (no doubt) unconscious desire to sabotage Hillary's campaign.

[JimDandy]

173. Yes, he can't pull off second fiddle very well. n/t

[YOHABLO]

93. Why then does Bernie NOT have the AfAm vote? OR is that changing quickly?

[Scootaloo]

106. No surprise.

[noretreatnosurrender]

118. Poor Bill

Hillary confused him saying she was focused on the General election. He gave her General election message when he should have given her Primary campaign message. Ooops

[Babel_17]

122. He didn't squash their beef

They or their allies will be back.

[ViseGrip]

127. Oh...My.....Gawd! A little truth from Bill, defending the brutality he ushered in.

WOW!!!!!

[romanic]

129. Oh BLM is still around, interesting.

Anyways Bill obviously did'nt say what the headline said. Cmon now people.

[Purveyor]

137. I know, right...

[blackspade]

144. That's bad.

[Odin2005]

145. Looks like the Hillary supporters are in desperation mode in this thread.

Trying to defend the indefensible.

[jtuck004]

146. "Murderers And Drug Dealers" - ALso known as fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, labeled by

a white society.

Sure, some need to be locked up for our safety. But the rest? That was just your ego, and bodies to walk on for your political ambitions.

I borrowed this from another source...

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23665-how-bill-clintons-welfare-reform-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-biases

...
"We looked at public opinion on welfare and racial attitudes, analyzing not just the overall trends, but studying the views of actual individuals over time. And what we found was fascinating. First, not many other factors predicted who would hold those kinds of views of welfare. It was pretty broad. But the one thing that did predict a negative view of welfare was negative beliefs about African-Americans, particularly a belief in black laziness. And also stereotypes of black women as being sexually irresponsible.


And what we found was that it wasn’t just that the people who had held these negative racial views all along who responded to these kinds of dog whistles but, even more striking, we found that as politicians talked more and more about welfare and what was wrong with the program, they moved people’s racial attitudes. The people who were most likely to start seeing welfare as a big problem were actually those who shifted from not having negative views of African-Americans to steadily responding to this discourse by beginning to see race in a different way and seeing African-Americans in a much worse light."
...

Is that why you keep calling neighbors "drug dealers" instead of people? I wonder how many of those are the victims of racism? You seem to be so afraid to acknowledge that.

[MynameisBlarney]

148. This won't come back to haunt the Clinton campaign

Nope, not at all.

Good job with the minority outreach there, Clenis.

[bigbrother05]

149. And WJC is defending unbalanced sentencing and for profit prisons

Anyone unable to recognize unintended consequences after so many years and empirical evidence of the systemic harm done isn't really honest with themselves much less the public.

Why not honestly say you tried your best to fix a problem and that it's time to reassess. Digging in helps no one and make him and his wife both look authoritarian.

[B2G]

150. If Trump had said this NO ONE here would be defending him. nt

[bemildred]

151. Right, it's about the drug gangs.

We put those people in jail, killed them, stole their stuff, broke up their families, to stop the drug gangs.

[malthaussen]

154. The headline is not supported by the quote.

Good grief, it is ridiculous to assert that making a point that some members of a population exploit others of that same population is a blanket condemnation of the entire population. This dog won't hunt.

-- Mal

[Helen Borg]

158. Bill got a little agitated there...

[scottie55]

162. Super Predator = Wall Street = The Oceans Are Dying Bubba

Billions will starve so Wall Street can sell some coal, and gas.

Kiss the oceans, and the fish diet goodbye......

[Thespian2]

164. "Clinton"

another spelling for CORRUPTION...

[Hiraeth]

168. fuck off bill clinton. seriously fuck off.

fuck off. just fuck right the fuck off.

[Javaman]

170. winning hearts and minds...

[noiretextatique]

174. Great...cheer on racism

Clinton can kiss my black ass. He is the reason I joined the Green party.

[paulkienitz]

176. once again the headline sounds way worse than the details do

[felix_numinous]

185. So cops can be judge jury and executioner

--that is the issue, being innocent until proven guilty. Unless we are now expected to live in a banana republic and our rights are unicorns and ponies. I am so disappointed seeing the Clintons taking such a hard right turn.

[Legends303]

188. Sanders still loses the black vote

I don't think these attacks are working, he still loses the black vote by wide margins. Nothing he said was wrong, if people actually looked into this crime bill it actually helped to keep criminals away from guns, instead of going into emotional platitudes why don't analyze before we start pointing fingers. His policies actually did help the AA, when they had jobs and incomes went up for AAs in 90s. I like how the Sanders supporters totally skip over this. Yes there were some bad things but about the crime bill. The prisons, obviously a problem but we are slowly beginning to undo that.

[forest444]

193. That's "the first black President" for you.