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Eugene

(61,899 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:23 PM Apr 2016

U.S. weakens retirement advice rule, responding to industry

Source: Reuters

A new U.S. rule aimed at protecting retirement savers from profit-hungry brokers turned out to be much weaker than an initial proposal after the Obama administration bowed to pressure from the financial services industry.

The rule, announced by the Department of Labor on Wednesday, sets a so-called fiduciary standard for financial brokers who sell retirement products, requiring them to put clients' best interests ahead of their bottom line. The language is tougher than an existing rule that only requires brokers to ensure products are "suitable."

However, the Labor Department did compromise with the industry on a range of provisions. Unlike the draft proposal, the final rule does not restrict brokers from pushing proprietary products, splitting revenue with creators of funds they promote, or recommending risky, high-fee investments in alternative assets and certain annuities.

Brokers also got more time to implement the changes, which they said were costly and difficult. The rule will now take full effect on Jan. 1, 2018, compared with an eight-month compliance deadline in the Labor Department's initial proposal.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-brokers-fiduciary-idUSKCN0X3122



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U.S. weakens retirement advice rule, responding to industry (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2016 OP
This is only one of the myriad reasons Plucketeer Apr 2016 #1
+10000 Zira Apr 2016 #9
You read my mind! KPN Apr 2016 #14
Well Yes Mr./Ms. Pluck . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #2
I am not disappointed in Obama since I expected little from him in the first place. Hoppy Apr 2016 #12
I think it's hard to IMAGINE Plucketeer Apr 2016 #13
Yup, I guess I should have known better, me . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #22
As usual, "the Obama administration bowed" yet again. PSPS Apr 2016 #3
Another example of the administration's "how may I appear to help you poor folks". nt NCjack Apr 2016 #26
Well what the fuck, Obama??? SoapBox Apr 2016 #4
You didn't follow this, did you? This is a much stronger consumer protection rule than we had before Recursion Apr 2016 #8
Yes, I did follow this issue . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #23
I am so sick of this spineless BS. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #5
That's our president, showing his true liberal lame duck self Doctor_J Apr 2016 #6
Yep, and we must stop her again. Zira Apr 2016 #10
Strengthens, not weakens. The current rule is ERISA, and this is much stronger Recursion Apr 2016 #7
Strengthens, but not enough. KPN Apr 2016 #15
So you're against strengthening ERISA? Recursion Apr 2016 #16
I'm against caving to corporate influence when it enables KPN Apr 2016 #17
But, your jokes aside, you're really against strengthening retirees' protection? Recursion Apr 2016 #18
Well, thank you. KPN Apr 2016 #19
I'm not the one arguing against these new stronger rules Recursion Apr 2016 #20
Obviously. KPN Apr 2016 #21
Why I give up on playing investment risk PATRICK Apr 2016 #11
So do you just leave your 100 % Yupster Apr 2016 #25
I leave it PATRICK Apr 2016 #27
+1. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #28
Bottom line Yupster Apr 2016 #24
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
1. This is only one of the myriad reasons
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

we need Bernie Sanders in the White House. He's told the damned "Money Changers" that they have good reason to fear him. I hope they're losing lots of sleep of late!

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
2. Well Yes Mr./Ms. Pluck . .
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

Here is a great example of what a REAL progressive in the

White House could do.

As usual, Obama continues to deeply disappoint. This is all on him.

I'd demand that all Prez candidates weigh in on this - it totally

shows how the system in broken.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
12. I am not disappointed in Obama since I expected little from him in the first place.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

I expect less from Hillary. However, if she wins, I will buy stock in G.E. General Dyn. Raytheon, and Halliburton. Gee. Maybe I should vote for Hillary.

Go Bernie ! We don't need any more wars.

Go Elizabeth !


8 years ago, our best hope was Kucinich. When it got down to Hillary and Obama, I knew it was over for the hope of anything good.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. I think it's hard to IMAGINE
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

what 8 years of Kucinich would have wrought. He could've been stonewalled as much as Obama's been. Of course, if we suspect things Right, the mere fact that Dennis is white might have bought him some wiggle room. Hurts me to say that, but it's just the reality of thinbgs.

I'm going to confess that I voted for Ronnie both times - for reasons such as you jestfully propose - I was a member of the MIC workforce. So a vote for St. Ronnie was a vote for my job security. Of course, I regret that choice now - and I've come totally round the compass since the 80s!

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
22. Yup, I guess I should have known better, me . .
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

being a political scientist and all.

Obama ran as a progressive, and I believed him - silly me.

Even back during the 2008 campaign he flat-out lied about a NAFTA re-do.

He's done a few progressive things, but not very damn much.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. You didn't follow this, did you? This is a much stronger consumer protection rule than we had before
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

What got weakened was a suggestion Labor had made last year. This new rule is an improvement from the current rules.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. That's our president, showing his true liberal lame duck self
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016
the Obama administration bowed to pressure from the financial services industry


Most corporate president ever. Although Hillary will obviously outdo him should she make it to the white house

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Strengthens, not weakens. The current rule is ERISA, and this is much stronger
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

But, other than having an Orwellian headline, this article is pretty good. What it's weaker than is a suggestion they made last year.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
15. Strengthens, but not enough.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

Some call this compromise, some call it capitulation, others call it corruption.

Granted, corruption will never be eliminated -- it's human nature. But the current level of corruption in governance is unprecedented in our lifetimes. And unacceptable.

While you seem to accept it, more and more do not.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. So you're against strengthening ERISA?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

That's horrifying. Do you just hate retirees? What made you like that?

KPN

(15,646 posts)
17. I'm against caving to corporate influence when it enables
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

predatory behavior.

Common sense and strength of conviction made me like that.

So you aren't? What made you like that?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. But, your jokes aside, you're really against strengthening retirees' protection?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:26 PM
Apr 2016

How do you sleep at night?

KPN

(15,646 posts)
19. Well, thank you.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

Guess I would ask the same question of you ... because I just don't get how you ae okay with the level of corruption we have in our government, especially at the federal and State levels, today.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. I'm not the one arguing against these new stronger rules
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

That's you.

I find that incredibly irresponsible, personally, but we're all different.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
11. Why I give up on playing investment risk
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:10 AM
Apr 2016

One. The people thinking themselves expert on this play the game so much they are likely afraid to spend the money. Really, getting rich this way almost seems more dishonest than buying a Lotto ticket- if you like donating to the saintly state pols that way. My employer matches my donation up to 5%. I don't gamble that 100% away to earn a few per cent more and see it wiped out from from time to time. And no one advises you of a fairly obvious coming downturn that does just that. In the long haul you will keep earning. You will also be dead, perhaps in the middle of rebuilding. The rationalizations about why this isn't "smart" sound very much like the pressure you get to join a Ponzi scheme like chain letters.

The comes trust about middle men making sure money off the chance you might be making money. And we are all so smart and mature in this game. Really. This seems like it's better than begging those same people with a tin cup on the sidewalk, but only by indulging in affordable illusions.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
27. I leave it
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:39 AM
Apr 2016

in the government Thrift Savings Plan G Fund until they look like getting raided by the privateers as it once threatened under Bush Junior. Then I check out my Credit Union for anything else.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
24. Bottom line
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

Companies will be pushing investors toward fee based wrap accounts where the broker makes the same amount regardless of the investment rather than the commission based system many now offer. Wrap accounts have become much more popular over the last decade as its a way for the company to know what its making every month rather than having to rely on commissions.

In a commission based system, you might buy 100 shares of Coca Cola stock, or a corporate bond and leave it there for 20 years. You would pay a commission to buy it (as high as 2 % depending) but then you'd pay nothing for the next 20 years while you held it. With the wrap account you'll pay a fee every year (generally around 1 %). This would be cheaper for those who trade all the time, but way more expensive for people who buy and hold.

The cost will go way up for the investor who switches. The brokers will get richer.

The government will feel like they solved another problem.

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