A scrappy Sanders campaign narrows the delegate count six weeks after the caucuses

[pnwmom]

Source: Washington Post

In another sign of the fight left in Bernie Sanders’s campaign, the Democratic presidential hopeful appears to have picked up a couple of delegates in Nevada, a state where Hillary Clinton was declared the winner on Feb. 20.

Clinton emerged on caucus day with a lead of 20 to 15 in statewide delegates. According to multiple reports, that margin has narrowed to 18 to 17 after a second round in the process, known as the county conventions, which took place Saturday.

Sanders’s supporters flooded the largest of those, in Clark County, where Las Vegas is located. As a result of his organizational muscle and some complicated rules, the senator from Vermont managed to garner more support there than Clinton, despite her edge on Feb. 20. Sanders also reportedly outperformed his Feb. 20 showing in other counties.

The upshot is that Sanders picked up some of the dozen delegates who were considered unbound during Saturday’s conventions, the rules of which were the source of a good deal of controversy among Clinton and Sanders partisans even before the events began.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/03/a-scrappy-sanders-campaign-narrows-the-nevada-delegate-count-six-weeks-after-the-caucuses/

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So Sanders has not taken the lead -- as is confirmed here by Jon Ralson, and Fallon. Weaver says Sanders has "at least narrowed the gap to one delegate."

[George II]

1. I don't think it's over yet. A leading Sanders supporter is being scrutinized for possible....

...misconduct.

[JonLeibowitz]

2. Source?

[George II]

3. It's been all over the news, I'm sure you can find it.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. Ah, unsubstantiated attacks.

Some might call that slander.

[George II]

10. Nope, it's "unsubstantiated" here because if I posted the source you would...

....criticize that and ignore the content.

I've been around this block with you before.

PS - I suggest you check the definition of "slander".

[JonLeibowitz]

11. I'm aware -- I was hoping for someone to make the spiderman joke :)

[George II]

12. I'll reserve the spiderman joke until after Sanders concedes and Jeff Weaver goes back....

....to selling comic books.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-jeff-weaver-victory-comics

[JonLeibowitz]

14. You have a lot of hate there. I hope you move past it.

[JackInGreen]

28. ...you're going to hate on comics?

of all things? Dude, that's some maximum power 'cool kid' bigotry you've got going on there, take it back to highschool where you can beat on the kids with the comics all you'd like.

[George II]

30. What are you talking about?

"Hate on comics"? "Bigotry"? Where do you guys get this stuff?

[Cowpunk]

8. What you will find is conflicting stories.

Hillary's side says she was voted out for disseminating private HRC campaign info to Sanders' people in an email from the party bigwigs.

Bernie's side says there should have been no private interaction between the HRC campaign and the Party bigwigs, and she was ousted for protesting this.

[jane123]

5. Last thing I read indicated that the Hillary camp

reps were being looked at for wrongdoing. Guess it's a draw.

[Cowpunk]

6. That word "flooded" keeps sticking in my craw.

The word denotes something extraordinary or untoward. From what I understand, far fewer delegates showed up on both sides than were appointed. How does having a majority of your delegates actually show up constitute a flood?

[pnwmom]

9. Apparently new people showed up to the caucus.

And somewhere i read that they weren't checking credentials at the door.

And the credentials chair is a Sanders supporter who is being investigated now for sharing information with his campaign.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

Sanders supporters were surprised and pleased Saturday.

“I’m friends with a lot of people that support Bernie, and they were bringing people here,” said Zamir Anderson, a 20-year-old College of Southern Nevada student. “Especially with how we did in Utah, Alaska, I feel like he’s gaining a lot of traction.”

SNIP

But the biggest threat to the convention’s success appeared to be the suspension of the county party’s credentials chair early Saturday morning. Christine Kramar was suspended from her post after Clinton campaign officials raised concerns about her neutrality.

The issue came to the fore late Friday night, when Kramar learned from Sanders campaign staffers that the Clinton campaign was pressing for her removal. When Kramar showed up at Cashman Center just before 8 a.m. Saturday, she discovered she had been suspended for not showing up earlier.

[Cowpunk]

13. Oh boy, more unsubstantiated hearsay.

They were CARPOOLING! The horror.

[tabasco]

7. Sanders has to tie or win in NY to keep going.

It's possible. A couple weeks to go and the polls getting closer.

[George II]

15. He actually has to win with at least about 58% of the vote in EVERY remaining state to win.

That's never going to happen. The caucus states, his only strength, are about exhausted.

[tabasco]

16. Um, no.

That is the average margin he needs to obtain in each state. He will clearly exceed that number in some states and therefore will not need an eight percent margin in every state. Hope it helps!

[George II]

17. Actually getting 58% of the vote is a 16% margin. And each state in which he doesn't....

....(like Wisconsin on Tuesday) moves that 58% higher.

The only states where he might exceed 58% are the smaller, upper mid-west states like the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, etc.

So, if he happens to win North Dakota (only 18 delegates) by say 30%, that's still not good enough to overcome a loss in Pennsylvania (189 delegates) by five or six percent.

[tabasco]

19. He will have to win in NY and Pa., but not by 16 percent.

I am not speculating on how well Sanders will do in any of the contests. But he can win NY and Pa. by less than 58% and still make the total he needs. Unlikely but possible. My point is that he doesn't have to get 58% or more in every state from here on out.

[George II]

21. All things being equal he will....

....have to win each state by 16% (58% of the vote)*

*Based on some allocation revisions, that number is actually only 56.5%.

On Tuesday, even if he wins, it will be by only a few %, and then he'll have to win even bigger in ensuing states. As each state votes and he doesn't get 56.5% the 56.5% number goes up.

Right now there are only 1747 delegates remaining, and he needs 988 of them (56.5%).

A 4% win on Tuesday will give him 46 delegates to Clinton's 40.

After Tuesday if he gets that 46, there will be only 1661 delegates remaining and he'll need 942 - the % would then be 56.7%. And that's the way it will continue - failure to reach the magic % at the time in any state will raise that magic % even further.

[tabasco]

25. This is the craziest election season I can remember.

I am not convinced that the Democrat will be a shoo-in, as many seem to believe. This is the new era of Citizens United, and whomever the republicans nominate will get lots and lots of advertising from special interest groups.

[morningfog]

27. No, you are wrong. He needs 56.6% of the remaining delegates.

Tuesday and Saturday will likely slightly reduce that number moving forward.

[George II]

31. You missed my post #21.

[SunSeeker]

18. Wow, so WaPo thinks cheating is being "scrappy." How cute.

Maybe the WaPo should check into this:

The trouble began when Clark County credentials chairman Christine Kramar was caught looping the Bernie Sanders campaign in on a private email exchange with the Hillary Clinton campaign, thereby giving Sanders access to the Clinton campaign’s confidential information (not the first time Sanders has stolen Clinton’s private data in this election). The Clinton camp pushed to have the chairman removed from the position in favor of someone neutral, and the reason for concern quickly became apparent why.

According to numerous first hand attendee reports across Twitter, the Sanders campaign tried to stuff the room with people who weren’t supposed to be there, filling it up and apparently preventing some of the actual county delegates from being able to physically enter the room to cast their proper vote. The police had to be brought in to remove some of the people who had illegally packed the room in the name of sabotaging the proceedings. According to what is an vote tally, Sanders has now “won” Clark County even though he lost the popular vote there. Stunningly, delegates were incorrectly told they didn’t even need to show up.

Even as the Bernie Sanders campaign was attempting to subvert the will of the people in Nevada and steal the state’s delegates through blatant cheating today, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver was making false claims on Twitter that Nevada was trying to cheat against Bernie, and threatening to somehow revoke the state’s status as an early season caucus.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sanders-is-trying-to-retroactively-steal-the-nevada-caucus-as-we-speak/24336/

[Cowpunk]

20. So you think the "Daily Newsbin" has a shred of credibility. How cute. NT

[SunSeeker]

22. A subversion of democracy should be looked into, don't you think?

Hillary won Clark County by 10%, but thanks to hall packing by Sanders mobs and disinformation about the necessity for being present sent to Dems, Sanders stole the majority of delegates from Clark County. It is plain ugly. Nothing cute about it.

[Mark 750]

23. Sorry but

Sorry, but my wife and I and many others Sander delegates are not a mob. We went the next step in the process here in Nevada and stayed 11 hrs. Its the rules. I think many affluent Hillary supporters thought they only needed to show up for an hour back in February and that was it. I caught a whiff of privilege and laziness on their part. The only stealing is the Clinton machine stealing the hope of a bright and just future.

[SunSeeker]

24. No, just the opposite. These caucuses suppress the vote of working people who don't have 11 hours.

You are quite privileged to be able to spend 11 hours doing something that should only take a second. Most people don't have that kind of leisure. It suppressed the votes of people who have to go to work for a living and have families to take care of. Babysitters cost money. I pay mine $15/hr. 11 hours would have cost me $165, that's quite a poll tax...and that's assuming my sitter would even be willing to do it for 11 hours.

There were conflicting instructions sent out, and the Clark County Chair Christine Kamar, a virulent Sanders supporter, is under fire for dirty tricks. The failure to show up had nothing to do with "laziness."

The shenanigans of Saturday negated the votes of caucus goers, particulary people of color. Conflicting instructions made it appear that people did not need to come on Saturday if they checked in on Friday. It is not a matter of people "not bothering to show up." It is a matter of people being given the wrong instructions. And Sanders supporters packing the hall early and making it virtually impossible for anyone else to get in. Police had to be called.


As reported by one DUer there:

There was an email that went out that said if you checked in early (Friday night)...

You wouldn't have to go into the convention as you would still be counted among the pledged delegates for your candidate. I heard a lot of Clinton's folks likely fell for that and didn't show up. The line for early check in (on Friday evening) was about a 2 + hour wait that started at 5pm PST and was supposed to go till 9pm PST. If some of those people were never told, they might have simply not come to the convention today. I got the same email, but since I want to try to go all the way to the National Convention, the Misses and I attended. Glad we did. Dirty tricks and all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110789068#post5


Sounds like the shit Ted Cruz pulled to take the majority of delegates in Louisiana even though he lost that state by a wide margin.

It is alarming to see Sanders supporters cheering what amounts to election fraud and the subversion of democracy. Hillary carried Clark County, a very diverse county, by 10 points. That Sanders would now take the majority of delegates for that county is disgusting.

[morningfog]

26. Does everyone now understand Weaver's comment on pledged delegates?

This is what he was talking about. Nothing nefarious, just showing up for the process.

By the way, there is another round where Bernie will likely surpass Hillary in Nevada delegate count stay tuned!

[liberal N proud]

29. When is this story no longer Late Breaking News?

It has been posted at least twice if not more in the last 48 hours

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1401184

[BlueMTexpat]

32. This little incident was the last straw

for me. And for several I know. Zero goodwill left in us.