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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:39 AM Apr 2016

South China Sea Controversy: Indonesia To Deploy F-16 Fighter Jets To Natuna Islands

Source: International Business Times

Indonesia will deploy F-16 fighter jets to Natuna islands in the South China Sea amid growing tension in the contested region, Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu told Bloomberg Thursday. The measure is part of a military expansion on the islands that will have a renovated runway and a new port, Ryacudu added.

The move comes within two weeks of Chinese coast guard's clash with Indonesian authorities over Beijing’s fishing boats seized by Jakarta. The coast guard had rammed the boats to force it free from the Indonesian authorities leading to heated confrontation between the two countries.

According to Ryacudu, the Indonesian military will, or has already, deployed marines, air force special force units, an army battalion, three frigates, a new radar system and drones, at the Natuna islands, Bloomberg reported.

“Natuna is a door, if the door is not guarded then thieves will come inside,” Ryacudu said. “There has been all this fuss because until now it has not been guarded. This is about the respect of the country.”

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Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/south-china-sea-controversy-indonesia-deploy-f-16-fighter-jets-natuna-islands-2346657

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South China Sea Controversy: Indonesia To Deploy F-16 Fighter Jets To Natuna Islands (Original Post) jpak Apr 2016 OP
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #1
Let's see, where did Indonesia get those F-16's from? NBachers Apr 2016 #2
For sure....if it wasn't F-16's then they'd have Mirages or MIG's or SAAB's.. etc.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #22
Fish are extinct in Chinese waters. Encounters like this will only increase. Coventina Apr 2016 #3
Everybody is focusing on the Middle East... Dr. Xavier Apr 2016 #4
President Obama has been very focused on this issue... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #6
China is playing a dangerous game in the South China Sea Johnyawl Apr 2016 #5
I would not be so self-confident, China has modernized its military and they are a force jpak Apr 2016 #8
China is in the PROCESS of modernizing their armed forces... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #10
These are the weapons they deployed to the Paracels jpak Apr 2016 #11
Stationary military assets are the easiest to destroy... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #12
Those are all mobile systems that out-range US SAM and anti-ship missiles jpak Apr 2016 #16
They're mobile systems sitting on ISLANDS... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #18
I told folks there would be some pushback Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #7
The archipelago is pretty far from Hainan Depaysement Apr 2016 #9
I respectfully disagree. China is out of fish, and has 1 billion + to feed. Coventina Apr 2016 #13
Lebensraum Throd Apr 2016 #14
Looks like that. n/t Coventina Apr 2016 #15
I also repectfully disagree Depaysement Apr 2016 #17
They've fished a lot further away than that. Argentina just sunk one of their boats off their coast Coventina Apr 2016 #19
If you are right Depaysement Apr 2016 #20
It's so much cheaper and easier to steal in the vast oceans. Especially when you're dealing with Coventina Apr 2016 #23
Hellish area for all small country fishing boats.We've 'normalised' shoot at small boats & kill all. Sunlei Apr 2016 #21

NBachers

(17,135 posts)
2. Let's see, where did Indonesia get those F-16's from?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

I guess if we didn't sell them, there would be other sources lined up to supply them.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
22. For sure....if it wasn't F-16's then they'd have Mirages or MIG's or SAAB's.. etc..
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

....I'd prefer US workers at high paying jobs get the sale.

Coventina

(27,161 posts)
3. Fish are extinct in Chinese waters. Encounters like this will only increase.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

Until the last fish is gone.

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
4. Everybody is focusing on the Middle East...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

whereas the South China Sea and the Korean Japan flak are probably going to bite us on the rear first.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
6. President Obama has been very focused on this issue...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

...his "pivot to Asia" is all about turning our military's attention and resources to Asia. The TPP is all about strengthening trade and diplomatic ties with the region to offset China's influence, which is why China was excluded from the TPP.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
5. China is playing a dangerous game in the South China Sea
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

When the shooting starts it will be China vs Indonesia, The Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and the US. China's rather modest sized blue water navy will disappear very quickly.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
8. I would not be so self-confident, China has modernized its military and they are a force
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

to be reckoned with....

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
10. China is in the PROCESS of modernizing their armed forces...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

...they have started from a deep hole and have not had the money to modernize everything (army, navy, Air Force and strategic nuclear forces) as quickly as they'd like to. They've had to shrink the size of their military to spend the money on hardware. China is definitely a regional power, but they do not have the navy or air force to project that power much beyond their borders.

And they just do not have the capability to engage the US Navy in a full out conventional war.

Be cautious about believing what our military says about them. Our navy and air force tend to inflate China's capabilities in an effort to boost their own budgets.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
12. Stationary military assets are the easiest to destroy...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

...Ask the French how that Maginot Line worked out for them. Those launch sites for their anti-ship cruise missiles will be destroyed long before one of our ships got within their range.

Look, I'm not saying that the Chinese military wouldn't put up a fight, or that we wouldn't have casualties and loss of some assets. It would be a fight. What I am saying is that with the advanced weaponry and superior numbers (ships and aircraft) that we would throw at them their blue water surface navy would pretty much be non-existent within the first week, and those land based military installations on those islands would be destroyed and overran.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
16. Those are all mobile systems that out-range US SAM and anti-ship missiles
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:33 PM
Apr 2016

and the islands are close enough to mainland Chinese airfields and naval facilities to deploy attack aircraft, air cover and submarines.

and this...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. I told folks there would be some pushback
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

and China wouldn't be allowed to just set up camp in a territory that doesn't belong to them-- Which just so happens to be an area with lucrative shipping routes and fishing waters....

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
9. The archipelago is pretty far from Hainan
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

It's over 1,000 miles away. Pretty far away for "fishing."

The only thing Beijing is fishing for is territory.

Coventina

(27,161 posts)
13. I respectfully disagree. China is out of fish, and has 1 billion + to feed.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

They are desperate for natural resources.

There's a common phrase in China today: "China is short of everything but people."

Maybe they want to annex additional territory - but mostly for their own food security.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
17. I also repectfully disagree
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

Fish are a commodity. They can enact treaties with other countries to obtain fishing rights. The Government wants much more than that. No one fishes a thousand mile from the nearest port.

Coventina

(27,161 posts)
19. They've fished a lot further away than that. Argentina just sunk one of their boats off their coast
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:50 AM
Apr 2016

Seriously, it is a true crisis.

You can choose not to believe it, but it's real.

Coventina

(27,161 posts)
23. It's so much cheaper and easier to steal in the vast oceans. Especially when you're dealing with
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

feeding a billion+ people.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. Hellish area for all small country fishing boats.We've 'normalised' shoot at small boats & kill all.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:51 AM
Apr 2016

Practice, not an actual kill.

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