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DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:17 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton Tells Greenpeace Activist She's ‘Sick of the Sanders Campaign Lying About Me’

Source: ABC News

Hillary Clinton was visibly angry at a campaign event on Thursday when questioned by an environmental activist about donations to her campaign from the fossil fuel industry.

While shaking hands with voters during an event at the State University of New York at Purchase, Greenpeace USA activist Eva Resnick-Day asked the Democratic presidential candidate if she would reject fossil fuel money.

The question clearly aggravated Clinton, who immediately snapped back. “I am so sick -- I am so sick of the Sanders campaign lying about me. I am sick of it,” she said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-tells-greenpeace-activist-shes-sick-sanders/story?id=38068903



This news story was posted 20 minutes ago by ABC News, a mainstream news source.
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Hillary Clinton Tells Greenpeace Activist She's ‘Sick of the Sanders Campaign Lying About Me’ (Original Post) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 OP
So sorry Mrs Clinton, but WE are sick of you lying about Bernie & your record! peacebird Mar 2016 #1
+ infinity nt newfie11 Mar 2016 #2
••• VIDEO ••• This is called 'BAD INTERNAL POLLING NUMBERS' bubbling to the surface ••• VIDEO••• tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #72
some details on donations.... tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #74
Sanders supporters don't have any credibility: They are cherry pickers of facts lewebley3 Apr 2016 #189
There are huge things related to the Clinton Administration that they never told us Baobab Apr 2016 #198
Wrong: We all Know the Clinton Ad pulled 7.4 m people out of poverty lewebley3 Apr 2016 #296
And I thought it was the dawn of the information age. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #303
Where? Baobab Apr 2016 #305
One has to be a "cherry picker." PeoViejo Apr 2016 #229
I am not a single issue voter:that's a Sanders thing : so no I dont cherry pick facts lewebley3 Apr 2016 #321
No, you just pick "facts" suitable to you while ignoring the real elephants in the room. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #329
Beating GOP is the point: the Dem's already know the Dem's party position lewebley3 Apr 2016 #330
Said the Cherry Picker Wibly Apr 2016 #250
Were I thee... gregcrawford Apr 2016 #277
Projecting again, I see. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #319
Sanders lied about taking corp money: and he is a hippocrate lewebley3 Apr 2016 #320
Suuurrreee he did! Show me your links. In the meantime, Snoops has declared that FALSE. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #328
Sanders people are blind ideologues lewebley3 Apr 2016 #190
If the ideology is honesty and transparency you are right! Crabby Abbey Apr 2016 #201
Note to myself: PeoViejo Apr 2016 #231
Said the blind ideologue Wibly Apr 2016 #251
She was as secretary of state lobbying for fracking all over the world Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #255
No. just Sanders people being sore loser's or just jerk: Good for Hillary's lewebley3 Mar 2016 #99
Proof? bjobotts Mar 2016 #103
"You cannot reason people out of a position which they have not been reasoned into" tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #113
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Angrydemex Apr 2016 #148
Huh? seekthetruth Apr 2016 #202
I know you think you're helping Clinton Wibly Apr 2016 #254
Really typical behavior of many Clinton supporters on this site. Hun Joro Apr 2016 #292
Agree. She has a really bad tell. She just revealed she's losing badly in Wisconsin and New York. DrBulldog Apr 2016 #179
I doubt she'll lose New York. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #226
her supporters seem to be laying low in NYC Baobab Apr 2016 #307
Hillary should apologize to Greenpeace Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #256
+1 Jarqui Apr 2016 #326
And, Mrs. Clinton, WE are sick of YOUR TONE! Duval Mar 2016 #24
Democratics are sick of Sanders followers self centered bullying lewebley3 Mar 2016 #96
Hillary is that you? SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #105
I wished I was just as talented as her so Thank you lewebley3 Apr 2016 #185
why would she attack that sweet young girl, she not strong enough to debate the actual candidate? tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #115
Nothing sweet about an attacker bully from Sanders lewebley3 Apr 2016 #183
Not too sure what you mean.... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #203
There was only one person in that video who was on attack. frylock Apr 2016 #216
Hillary was the one attacked: Sanders supporters dont respect his wishes against a negative campaig lewebley3 Apr 2016 #219
The poor dear. frylock Apr 2016 #221
Well, Bless Her Heart. nt Duval Apr 2016 #223
I Thought The Girl Was With Greenpeace Yallow Apr 2016 #311
That's an 'attack'? Oh please, wait till the General election. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #228
and hillary replied very very poorly. angry even. Javaman Apr 2016 #230
No .Hillary stoood for herself very well lewebley3 Apr 2016 #240
witty retort. Javaman Apr 2016 #247
Hillary did the right thing lewebley3 Apr 2016 #294
that's all you got? Javaman Apr 2016 #317
Asking a question is an attack? The poor fragile dear! Hun Joro Apr 2016 #293
can't ask the anointed one uncomfortable questions, don't you know. nt Javaman Apr 2016 #318
you apparently think asking a question is bullying tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #238
According to lewebley3, this is the "bully" that attacked Hillary: bvar22 Apr 2016 #265
big bad bernie-bro? juxtaposed Apr 2016 #282
Queen Bee Syndrome Baobab Apr 2016 #306
Hillary's debted pn everthing: over and over again: there are to many debates lewebley3 Apr 2016 #315
Ah, the "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up" person. Bohunk68 Apr 2016 #157
The facts are out for all to see: the party wants Hillary and so does America lewebley3 Apr 2016 #181
The party corporatists want Clinton RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #232
That was a young woman from Greenpeace asking a good question All in it together Apr 2016 #182
All the questions have been asked and answered by Hillary: This woman lewebley3 Apr 2016 #186
Lewebly.... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #205
Washington Poat says that the Greenpeace lady was a liar lewebley3 Apr 2016 #313
"Democratics"?? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #193
My new tablet is not easy to type with lewebley3 Apr 2016 #196
Neither is my phone LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #199
misspelling is part of his shtick. bunnies Apr 2016 #200
You're failing the turing test. Just FYI. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #227
I thought it was the Tourette test. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #280
oh, are we bullying the poor little girl with the truth? greymouse Apr 2016 #241
There was no truh in what that woman said about Hillary: The Washington Post called lewebley3 Apr 2016 #312
"Democratics" I suffer from an obssesive need to fix wrong. You need better coaching in English. ieoeja Apr 2016 #301
Yes or no Hillary. Sander's got nothing to do with it. Tried to misdirect instead of answering bjobotts Mar 2016 #119
Hillary has been asked and answered all these questions: Sanders think they can bully anyone lewebley3 Apr 2016 #187
exactly! every day she pushes me closer to Bernie or Bust which was not my inclination Vote2016 Mar 2016 #43
Does she think we are that stupid? We can see contributer lists .... Jackilope Mar 2016 #56
Hillary pro ably does give you some credit: but the rest. of Dem"s party are now seeing. you as Sanders lewebley3 Apr 2016 #137
LOL! Sanders is for people. HRC for corporations. Jackilope Apr 2016 #164
They call her Secretary Clinton. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #70
That is until we are ordered to RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #234
What a lovely RW meme. Did youy enjoy that? Hekate Apr 2016 #258
That's what they want you to believe. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #268
Sanders people have been running all kinds of lies: Hillary stccd down a bully lewebley3 Mar 2016 #94
Proof? bjobotts Mar 2016 #108
What's media outlet do you listen to?? Pauldg47 Apr 2016 #145
Wcpt 820 Chicago among others lewebley3 Apr 2016 #194
+ a zillion++++++++ 840high Mar 2016 #128
#NotIntoHerEither Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #130
#ImSoSIck GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #178
Projection, much, Mrs Clinton? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #156
zzzzzzzz rtracey Apr 2016 #176
Headline Opinions :)_ LeFleur1 Apr 2016 #208
Sanders record is being a talker without accomplishments lewebley3 Apr 2016 #217
Good for you Hillary, tired of the Bernie people and their lies. trueblue2007 Apr 2016 #244
Wait, so that is why some are lying about this? Hillary does not take money from fossil fuel Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #252
So why doesn't Bernie give the bad evil money right back? It's not like he doesn't know... Hekate Apr 2016 #259
Oh bullshit. If anyone has a record of increasing sales of dangerous fossil fuels, Senator... NNadir Apr 2016 #302
Awwww, poor baby. Hoppy Mar 2016 #3
its Sanders people lashing out like babies because Sander is losing lewebley3 Apr 2016 #139
She say they are lies, don't go bringing facts into this ripcord Apr 2016 #143
And the gloves are off! HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #4
Yep...the gloves are off. Now she'll need to list the lies she's talking about. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #6
She'll just shake her 840high Mar 2016 #132
You mean like Bernie does? It's got to be an okay gesture if HE's doing it, amirite? Hekate Apr 2016 #260
Amen. nt DURHAM D Mar 2016 #9
If that's true, you all will rue the day. dchill Mar 2016 #29
Kinda hard punching at the truth. litlbilly Mar 2016 #45
From the linked story: me b zola Mar 2016 #55
So this came from a Greenpeace report - not from the Sander's campaign. Marie Marie Mar 2016 #67
Yes me b zola Mar 2016 #79
Ahem NJCher Apr 2016 #152
Ready, fire, aim... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #314
This message was self-deleted by its author Marie Marie Mar 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Mar 2016 #64
She's used to hard work. But I'm sure with gloves on she'd be serving tea and cookies... Hekate Apr 2016 #261
The gloves must have been impeding her finger pointing. smiley Mar 2016 #93
Hillary will handle her campaign. with grace and courage: Sanders people are out of control lewebley3 Apr 2016 #142
To be blunt ThoughtCriminal Apr 2016 #144
He/she's got nothing but insults for Sanders and his supporters. Scuba Apr 2016 #170
T is has been refuted over and over again: You just dont want listen: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #209
She'll handle her campaign alright..... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #206
grace and courage frylock Apr 2016 #218
Paranoia strikes deep. dogman Mar 2016 #5
everybody look what's going down... litlbilly Mar 2016 #39
Damn. Now that song is playing in me head. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #84
As it should. dogman Mar 2016 #87
Into her heart it will creep Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #82
Will it make the M$M? dogman Mar 2016 #86
She has the gall to blame Bernie for HER decisions... phazed0 Mar 2016 #7
She Knows People Are That Stupid Yallow Mar 2016 #60
+100 Duppers Mar 2016 #63
YES, YES, YES!!! That Simple Comment Says It ALL!!!!! ChiciB1 Apr 2016 #188
Projecting, again. n/t Wilms Mar 2016 #8
Exactly. Again. dchill Mar 2016 #31
So damn sick zentrum Mar 2016 #10
projection much? thesquanderer Mar 2016 #11
And suddenly "finger pointing" becomes a sign of STRENGTH!!!! LOL!!!! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #12
This is not strenght. She must be only talking to her supporters - who we've found refuse to vet. Zira Mar 2016 #19
The problem with telling lies so often and easily Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #168
Yeah, but Swiftboating your opponent is a-ok. draa Mar 2016 #13
How is this Bernie lying about her? Green Peace has cited her super pac having gas and oil Zira Mar 2016 #14
The lobbyists were not acting on behalf of the oil industry when they donated. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #102
nonsense. Lobbyists donate to those who follow their interests. bjobotts Mar 2016 #109
Nonsense. What you are implying is every lobbyist who donates is committing a crime. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #114
You trying to believe that Clinton isn't in the pocket of Big Money is what is ridiculous. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #245
Hillary is a progressive. It is a fact. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #273
She isn't progressive at all. She is miles apart on almost all issues from Sen Sanders and rhett o rick Apr 2016 #278
When you say "she isn't progressive at all," you expose your blind hate. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #283
And you can't refute. Not surprised you don't want to debate. I gave you a list that rhett o rick Apr 2016 #284
I did refute, with links. I don't have "blind adoration" for any politician. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #285
Let's pick medical marijuana for an example. Do you support her position? nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #286
Maybe you don't like to talk about Clinton's outrageous position on marijuana, can't blame you. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #300
Ya think lobbyists personally donate to someone who... Mudcat Apr 2016 #151
If you believe that JackInGreen Apr 2016 #153
Wow, that's some amazing spin! Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #169
Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Worst fail ever!! Scuba Apr 2016 #171
Finally, a refutation with substance. malthaussen Apr 2016 #197
She should be. All her supporters are. nt pnwmom Mar 2016 #15
I bet she's a blast to be around in a campaign staff capacity when something goes awry... n/t Earth_First Mar 2016 #16
Do any Hillary supporters want to address her blatant lie about fossil fuels not giving her money? Zira Mar 2016 #17
Uh oh Pantsuit is mad . RATM435 Mar 2016 #18
Too many states running away from 'Madame Monarch' tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #121
Pls JackInGreen Apr 2016 #155
Something wrong with a woman in a suit? Hekate Apr 2016 #262
'Sanders has taken $50,000 from oil and gas companies.' onehandle Mar 2016 #20
not even close Loudestlib Mar 2016 #40
How many lies is Clinton going to tell in this one situation alone? CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #140
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel-lobbyists stupidicus Mar 2016 #21
Hillary release your transcript Geronimoe Mar 2016 #22
LOVE the disclaimer:"ABC News, a mainstream news source" 7962 Mar 2016 #23
Maybe the email scandal is getting to her. Something's up with her attitude. jalan48 Mar 2016 #25
I said the same thing... dorkzilla Mar 2016 #42
Good minds think alike. jalan48 Mar 2016 #47
It is slipping away from her again and the monarch will NOT HAVE IT! tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #88
Spread your wings and fly. frylock Apr 2016 #220
:) tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #237
I don't like her tone nt LiberalElite Mar 2016 #111
Los Angeles Times says it's all winding down. Doesn't sound like there's any there there. Again. Hekate Apr 2016 #263
Very Presidential. Poised. Polished. frylock Mar 2016 #26
Telling the truth is lying.... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #27
This just in: Wasp complains about being stung. n/t JoeyT Mar 2016 #28
"Sic'em" GoldenMean Mar 2016 #30
We ALL know who is doing the lying. dchill Mar 2016 #32
lolololol - maybe she should tell him to cut it out whereisjustice Mar 2016 #33
wow florida08 Mar 2016 #34
Her response is called quibbling matt819 Mar 2016 #35
The Clintons will decide what the meaning of "is" is, goddamit! Divernan Mar 2016 #116
"All we are say-inggggg, is give fracking a chance...." John Poet Apr 2016 #298
No reason to bring Sander's name into the question.It wasn't "Sanders said..." bjobotts Mar 2016 #118
lmao iamthebandfanman Mar 2016 #36
Delusional MJJP21 Mar 2016 #37
What lies....Specifically. blackspade Mar 2016 #38
Was the questioner wearing a Bernie Tee or button? NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #204
No clue. blackspade Apr 2016 #213
Oh oh... Hydra Mar 2016 #41
Okay... what are the lies? davidthegnome Mar 2016 #44
The Sanders campaign implies the oil companies donate to her through lobbyists. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #159
Thanks for the clarification. davidthegnome Apr 2016 #310
Excellent post, gets right to the heart of the matter crim son Apr 2016 #316
She isn't taking it from the "industry." She's taking it from people with jobs pnwmom Apr 2016 #191
She's So Sick: Probably Related to Gas Bodych Mar 2016 #46
"Sick of the Sanders Campaign Lying About Me Because That's MY Job!" Vote2016 Mar 2016 #48
Could be the thread win right here. JudyM Apr 2016 #134
DUzy! Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #175
She's probably trying to rally women voters by playing the victim. Skwmom Mar 2016 #49
Focus groups said ix-nay on the ears-tay. Divernan Mar 2016 #126
She has often done that before, but it doesn't work when she verbally blasts a powerless young karynnj Apr 2016 #239
Don't think so. She looks passionate. You know, Bernie gets to look passionate. She gets called... Hekate Apr 2016 #264
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Mar 2016 #50
She can clear this all up at the debate...lol SHRED Mar 2016 #51
Good for her. Adrahil Mar 2016 #52
You failed to mention that there was no lie being told about her. arcane1 Mar 2016 #57
I didn't blame Bernie. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #80
Please for the love of god what was the lie!!!! RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #73
I didn't mention Bernie himself. Adrahil Mar 2016 #81
So do you agree that Bernie has no.. RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #91
I don't know. Adrahil Mar 2016 #92
I don't want to come off as hostile... RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #97
Have a good night. Adrahil Mar 2016 #123
You too RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #125
That was weird... revbones Mar 2016 #129
It's common rev JackInGreen Apr 2016 #154
Damned facts are ruining your argument so just quit. Classy! Scuba Apr 2016 #173
Greenpeace is not affiliated with Sanders in any way, in fact they don't endorse any parties Dragonfli Mar 2016 #76
Glad to hear that. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #78
Well then: it's on you to tell us which lies she's talking about. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #124
Not that it will matter... Adrahil Mar 2016 #127
Hair-splitting noiretextatique Apr 2016 #215
As she should be. RandySF Mar 2016 #53
#ImSoSick abelenkpe Mar 2016 #54
I have compassion for her Equinox Moon Mar 2016 #58
I'm sorry but I'm thinking of presidents accompanied by that nuclear suitcase... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #122
thank you, peace patriot hopemountain Apr 2016 #149
'MAKE HIM UN-AMERICAN' - her campaign attack plans for Obama tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #150
she's supposed to be perfect every minute of the day Skittles Apr 2016 #297
Perhaps she'll have David Brock take some action. nt navarth Mar 2016 #59
What was it Harry Truman said? Myrina Mar 2016 #61
+1 Scuba Apr 2016 #174
PHOTOS: Greenpeace Uses Seattle Skyline to Send Message to Clinton Babel_17 Mar 2016 #62
Takes some fucking nerve is all I can say about that. nt stillwaiting Mar 2016 #65
#NotWithHer LS_Editor Mar 2016 #66
If she is so thin skinned that she would overreact in this manner to a simple question, then... virgdem Mar 2016 #68
Hillary has developed a hide like a rhinoceros from 25 years of RW lies and attacks Hekate Apr 2016 #266
I think that means, No, she won't. roody Mar 2016 #71
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #75
Her ties to fossil fuel industry must be pretty strong. Nyan Mar 2016 #77
The Hill: Sanders: ‘My answer is a lot shorter’ than Clinton on fracking Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #83
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders on fracking lasttrip Mar 2016 #98
thank you for that clip LittleGirl Apr 2016 #146
#Not With Her SamKnause Mar 2016 #85
Me either. NEVER! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #120
So if she happens to be the candidate in the General Election....? Hekate Apr 2016 #267
Never - my whole family = NEVER 840high Apr 2016 #136
So if she happens to be the candidate in the General Election....? Hekate Apr 2016 #270
We'll write in a good democrat - Bernie. 840high Apr 2016 #281
So if she happens to be the candidate in the General Election....? Hekate Apr 2016 #269
this is called 'Morning Joe' full-hour material tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #89
Try and remember hills hyper christIan bona fides JackInGreen Apr 2016 #158
This Harry Truman quote seems to fit in this thread: LiberalElite Mar 2016 #90
^^^what he said^^^ elmac Mar 2016 #100
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #324
You edited out the part about how FactCheck.org concludes she got no oil co. donations. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #95
It didn't say she received no donations. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #104
Well, Bernie got $50,000 from people working for oil companies. Will he reject that? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #110
Bernie should send that evil money right back where it came from. Hekate Apr 2016 #272
That is what is clearly implied by saying she got donations from the industry. pnwmom Apr 2016 #192
Read this article oregonjen Mar 2016 #112
Lobbyists for Chevron, ExxonMobil, BP America, & more Divernan Apr 2016 #135
Just amazing how our fellow DUers are so happy to smear by omission. What will they do... Hekate Apr 2016 #271
me thinks she protests too much. nt Javaman Mar 2016 #101
What exactly are the lies she speaks of? Z_California Mar 2016 #106
wow the tantrums are coming fast and furious restorefreedom Mar 2016 #107
and I bet a few calls from worried SuperDelegates who are considering switching tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #117
yup, not to mention pissed off donors restorefreedom Apr 2016 #147
Wait just a goshdarn minute! revbones Mar 2016 #131
She looks very tired in the recent videos on CNN, MSNBC left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #133
Hey Hill! Tell us a tale about your HERO Kissinger! SoapBox Apr 2016 #138
Not sure I like that tone Blue Owl Apr 2016 #141
I hope her campaign is ready to prove the her assertion that the woman who asked the question davidpdx Apr 2016 #160
I place little concern on the leftwing fringe like greenpeace, peta....but I can see how they can beachbum bob Apr 2016 #161
Says The Biggest Liar In History Of Democratic Party billhicks76 Apr 2016 #162
HILLARY WAS EVEN POINTING!!! OH MY GOD! nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #163
Her pent up rage at real progressives is scary. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #165
Twitter Just Reacted to Hillary Clinton Flipping Out on Climate Activist deutsey Apr 2016 #166
How dare that peasant confront the Queen. romanic Apr 2016 #167
As she walks through a crowd hand shaking,some questions bringout the tired/crankie old-lady in her. Sunlei Apr 2016 #172
She's TIRED of you PEOPLE! closeupready Apr 2016 #177
Meanwhile "Why Would Clinton Use Trump Abortion Remarks to Attack Sanders?" bread_and_roses Apr 2016 #180
This is why Clinton has little credibility on anything! Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #184
Hillary will be issuing "Credibility Default Swaps" soon. n/t Riverbends Apr 2016 #236
lol - and Clintonized Debt Obligations. closeupready Apr 2016 #253
Poor old Shillary. Madmiddle Apr 2016 #195
Take your right wing trolling back to the pro-Trump forums Democat Apr 2016 #222
Jury results merrily Apr 2016 #242
Be careful posting jury results. It is apparent to me that I've Purveyor Apr 2016 #279
Thank you so much. I believe transparency helps everyone, including admins and have been posting merrily Apr 2016 #287
ATA is a f'n joke. It takes weeks for 'someone' to bother with we Purveyor Apr 2016 #288
Last time I checked, many, many posts were unanswered for months. I checked back as far as last merrily Apr 2016 #289
Is that what happens? I served on two then posted the results to a thread Zira Apr 2016 #322
Seems as though. I've been embargoed since March 23rd... Purveyor Apr 2016 #323
Check under My Account to make sure your jury box is correct uppityperson Apr 2016 #325
I check a week or so ago when I noticed I wasn't getting calle for duty and it is the same as today. Purveyor Apr 2016 #327
My my...such anger issues. With *that* tone she's questioning Bernie's tone prior to a NY debate? Roland99 Apr 2016 #207
So basically her answer is that it's all Bernie's fault d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #210
Its takes more to be President than an attitude that INdemo Apr 2016 #211
"I'm melting!" GoldenMean Apr 2016 #212
Really, Hillary? liberalhistorian Apr 2016 #214
How do you explain the fact that BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #225
Fact Check from NPR BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #224
Clinton and Fossil Fuel Money Javaman Apr 2016 #233
Sick of her living in a news bubble PatrynXX Apr 2016 #235
would you like some cheese with that whine $hillary? Cheap_Trick Apr 2016 #243
Once again she deflects; no simple yes or no Don Draper Apr 2016 #246
Much has been written about Hillary and her anger issues in the White House. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #248
... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #249
GOOD FOR HILLARY. I appreciate how careful she was with that finger, too. Hekate Apr 2016 #257
Exactly. The sexism evidenced by that double standard reeks. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #274
How dare anyone question the anointed one!!!!! n/t TxGrandpa Apr 2016 #275
What a charming person she is. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #276
If you're sick take a pill.... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #290
If you're sick take a pill.... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #291
That women was there to spreading lies about Hillary: Hillary has answered every question lewebley3 Apr 2016 #295
she was from Greenpeace Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #308
I don't like lies about Clinton or Sanders. lovemydog Apr 2016 #299
Lies about both candidates should be in the Primaries Forum Democat Apr 2016 #304
Haha, great point. lovemydog Apr 2016 #309

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
72. ••• VIDEO ••• This is called 'BAD INTERNAL POLLING NUMBERS' bubbling to the surface ••• VIDEO•••
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:22 AM - Edit history (2)


there's no other excuse, otherwise she'd be a happy warrior right now




and there's a •• VINE •• too

https://vine.co/v/ijKDUJTpe5Q

I guess she can only attack young girls, and not debate others her own size...

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
74. some details on donations....
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

'...the activist's sentiment is mostly correct. In July 2015, Clinton disclosed a list of lobbyists who were bundling contributions for her campaign. There were a significant number who have been tied to the fossil fuel industry, including Scott Parven and Brian Pomper, lobbyists at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, who have been registered lobbyists for Chevron for nearly ten years.

Clinton has been insistent on her desire to regulate fracking practices, but earlier this month held a fundraiser with investors of the controversial practice. She did not sign a pledge that her Democratic opponents at the time—Sanders and Martin O'Malley—did while vowing not to accept donations from fossil fuel companies.'


Baobab

(4,667 posts)
198. There are huge things related to the Clinton Administration that they never told us
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

which are extremely important, for example, related to health care lock ins on policy. Same with education and other privatized services. the fact that that was/is happening and the reasons given for that were misrepresentations.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
229. One has to be a "cherry picker."
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

There is so much baggage to sort through, it would drive a Customs Agent Nuts.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
329. No, you just pick "facts" suitable to you while ignoring the real elephants in the room.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

Typical of a shill.

Wibly

(613 posts)
250. Said the Cherry Picker
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Come on, I've been reading your posts. It's nothing but cherry picking.

That aside, please explain how a politician can stand up to Fracker when that politician receives money from Frackers.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
277. Were I thee...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

... I would be a bit more cautious about entering any discussions about credibility. Seriously.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
320. Sanders lied about taking corp money: and he is a hippocrate
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

He has went on about Hillary's private speeches:while
refusing to disclose his taxes: Hillary's posted her taxes
In an effort for American's to see she is an honest tax
payers. Sanders is with Trump on his : They both
cannot trusted

 

Crabby Abbey

(66 posts)
201. If the ideology is honesty and transparency you are right!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:13 AM
Apr 2016

Call me an ideologue! Rather be that than a flat out liar!

Wibly

(613 posts)
251. Said the blind ideologue
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, but if you're allowed to attack people, we should be allowed to do the same right back.
I've yet to read any post from you that proves your assertions. Its all pro Hill no matter what, evidence and fact be damned.
Therefore, I must conclude, when it comes to "blind ideologues" you speak from up close and intensely personal experience.

Wibly

(613 posts)
254. I know you think you're helping Clinton
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

But you're really making her look bad by trolling in this fashion.
But by all means, keep it up. If it helps Sanders, which it does, I'm all for it.

Hun Joro

(666 posts)
292. Really typical behavior of many Clinton supporters on this site.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

I've yet to see them refute a negative post about their chosen one with facts, just calling Sanders supporters poopyheads.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
179. Agree. She has a really bad tell. She just revealed she's losing badly in Wisconsin and New York.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the info, Hillary!

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
24. And, Mrs. Clinton, WE are sick of YOUR TONE!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

I've seen this on the news at least 4 times today. That's ok, because people can see how "well" she responds to any criticism.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
203. Not too sure what you mean....
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

She's supporting a dangerous environmental practice, and you defend her?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
219. Hillary was the one attacked: Sanders supporters dont respect his wishes against a negative campaig
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
230. and hillary replied very very poorly. angry even.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

not a deft hand with criticism.

me thinks she protests to much.

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
247. witty retort.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

but poorly sourced.

the clinton foundation has taken huge amounts of money from the oil corporations, and before you freak out and say, "that has nothing to do with her campaign!", I have a bridge to sell you. if you honestly believe that there is zero connection between her contacts in the foundation and her campaign, you are being completely ingenious.

she is very thick with the fossil fuel industry. and it's a very poor argument to deny such.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/clinton-and-fossil-fuel-money/

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
317. that's all you got?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

look at my link in this subthread showing how hillary, bill and the clinton foundation are in thick with the oil industry.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
238. you apparently think asking a question is bullying
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:06 PM
Apr 2016

no wonder your support is blind - your eyes are closed

watch the video again with neutral eyes and maybe you'll see what is going on
(although I doubt you'd even bother)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
265. According to lewebley3, this is the "bully" that attacked Hillary:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

Greenpeace Activist

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/im-the-greenpeace-activist-who-asked-hillary-clinton-to-pledge-to-reject-fossil-fuel-contributions-at-the-purchase-ny-campaign-rally/

Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Super PAC supporting her have received more than $4.5 million from the fossil fuel industry.


[font size=4]BULLY!!![/font]
Poor, poor Hillary. All these "bullies" attacking her.
Almost makes me want to shed a tear for her and her supporters.
.
.
.
.
Naw. I take that back. I have no tears for these people,
only for the millions they have hurt.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
306. Queen Bee Syndrome
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_bee_syndrome

"Queen bee syndrome was first defined by G.L. Staines, T.E. Jayaratne, and C. Tavris in 1973.[1] It describes a woman in a position of authority who views or treats subordinates more critically if they are female. This phenomenon has been documented by several studies.[2][3] In another study, scientists from the University of Toronto speculated that the queen bee syndrome may be the reason that women find it more stressful to work for women managers; no difference was found in stress levels for male workers.[4] An alternate, though closely related, definition describes a queen bee as one who has succeeded in her career, but refuses to help other women do the same.[5]


All in it together

(275 posts)
182. That was a young woman from Greenpeace asking a good question
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

And Hillary yelled and pointed a finger at her and blamed Bernie. Yes Bernie has brought up the fact that she takes these donations.
I would like an honest answer to the question, will she stop taking that money if she is for the environment?
Hillary might as well said, "off with her head!"

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
186. All the questions have been asked and answered by Hillary: This woman
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

Did not want to listen to any answers:she was there to attack Hillary
Hillary did not run away like Sanders did with BLM;: Go Hillary

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
312. There was no truh in what that woman said about Hillary: The Washington Post called
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

the Greenpeace women a liar: She was just a Sanders attacker

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
301. "Democratics" I suffer from an obssesive need to fix wrong. You need better coaching in English.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

One of the people in India using the lewebley3 login really keeps screwing up all American dialects of the English language. And this post is one of the -- no American would write such a sentence -- moments.

I sort of hate myself for doing this. Because I am a Sanders supporter. But I am somewhat obsessive sometimes when I see something being done WRONG. And this has been happening a very long time now. I have written this post half a dozen times, then stopped myself from hitting "Post my reply". This time ... I could not stop myself.






 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
119. Yes or no Hillary. Sander's got nothing to do with it. Tried to misdirect instead of answering
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
187. Hillary has been asked and answered all these questions: Sanders think they can bully anyone
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

Well you cannot bully even Hillary when you send thugs to ambush her in a

Jackilope

(819 posts)
56. Does she think we are that stupid? We can see contributer lists ....
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

... we know her embrace of fracking. It isn't a lie or an artful smear if it is true. Years of her cozy media relationship leave her clueless when real people challenge her.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
137. Hillary pro ably does give you some credit: but the rest. of Dem"s party are now seeing. you as Sanders
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

bullies. and sore losers just out for themselves





Hekate

(90,773 posts)
258. What a lovely RW meme. Did youy enjoy that?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

She's running to be President of the US, and if she wins be prepared for Madam President.

JURY: poster to whom I replied said:
That is until we are ordered to
call her, Her Highness Queen Hillary I.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
268. That's what they want you to believe.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

I have it from an inside source that she actually wants to eliminate the Constitution, and proclaim herself Queen.












































April Fools!

LeFleur1

(1,197 posts)
208. Headline Opinions :)_
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is visibly upset and visibly so very angry at the cards he's been dealt in life. He visibly rallies his followers to spout their hate and viterol at every stop and at every chance. He is visibly unable to think of any new words for any speech and visibly has the old speech down pat. The crowd could chant it with him if he called for them to do so and promised them a free candy bar if they got all the words correct. They wouldn't have to pay for the candy. Someone else would.

Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts. If Hillary is so terrible how come so many of Bernie's/Trumps/Cruz's supporters have to make stuff up to satisfy their hatred?


 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
217. Sanders record is being a talker without accomplishments
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

No Senator of the Den party is supporting he is not al eader



Ppp

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
252. Wait, so that is why some are lying about this? Hillary does not take money from fossil fuel
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

industry, but like Bernie, although Bernie gets much less, she has received donations from those who work in that industry.

So the facts are a bit different.

The problem in her case is she is accepting money from bundlers who deal with those folks, and it looks bad.






Hekate

(90,773 posts)
259. So why doesn't Bernie give the bad evil money right back? It's not like he doesn't know...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

...where it comes from.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
302. Oh bullshit. If anyone has a record of increasing sales of dangerous fossil fuels, Senator...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

...Sanders is it.

He lives in the only State in the Union that did not release carbon dioxide to generate electricity.

With Sanders support, they shut their nuclear plant, which generated more than 70% of their electricity. They now import electricity from the same damn states that rely on fracked gas to generate theirs.

So all of the faux outrage from the Sanders squad is a little disingenuous. I don't think that they even know what the truth is, and thus are not consciously lying so much as muttering ignorantly on subjects they know nothing about.

Now Sanders would like to destroy the intellectual and physical infrastructure of the rest of the US nuclear plants. Apparently he is entirely unaware that nuclear energy has saved 1.8 million human lives that would have been lost to air pollution, and has prevented the dumping of more than 60 billion tons of carbon dioxide.

This data doesn't come from the Clinton campaign, but rather can be found in a scientific paper in one of the world's premier Environmental journals, by one of the world's leading climate scientists, Jim Hansen.

None of this is a lie, but from what I hear here, it would seem that the people who support Senator Sanders are unequipped to adjudge what is and what is not true, since they are uninterested in finding things out.

The fact is, if Sanders is elected, it will mean that this country's fastest growing energy source, dangerous natural gas, will grow even faster, and every single child born after 2016, and many born before it as well, will pay for the willful ignorance of Americans in elected such a poorly educated man President.

If that tiresome fool, Sanders, is elected President of the United States, it will be an unprecedented disaster for the environment, given that he will have assumed the highest office of the country in the World with the highest per capita energy consumption.

The people who will win, will be the gas companies.

So I would suggest that the Sanderites should quit their bitching. Their candidate's rhetoric must have the fossil fuel industries salivating, whether they give that fool money or not.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
6. Yep...the gloves are off. Now she'll need to list the lies she's talking about.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

It'll be pretty embarrassing if she cannot.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
55. From the linked story:
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

"A Greenpeace report found that Clinton has received over $1 million from lobbyists and bunddlers connected to the fossil fuel industry and that her Super PAC has received over $3 million from donors in the industry. "

Woohoo, taking off the gloves to defend a lie!

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
67. So this came from a Greenpeace report - not from the Sander's campaign.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:06 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

NJCher

(35,713 posts)
152. Ahem
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:48 AM
Apr 2016

Why does she keep choosing the wrong target?

Iraq. That was one spectacularly wrong target. There have been others. Now this.

We laugh about the gang that couldn't shoot straight, but there's no comparable saying for someone who can't even get the target right.

Cher

Response to me b zola (Reply #55)

Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #4)

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
261. She's used to hard work. But I'm sure with gloves on she'd be serving tea and cookies...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

...like a good wifey.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
142. Hillary will handle her campaign. with grace and courage: Sanders people are out of control
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

Because Sanders is not a leader. :his supporters walk over him !


ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
144. To be blunt
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:35 AM
Apr 2016

You're not even trying here.

Refute the claim that the fossil fuel industry is contributing to her campaign, defend the donations or just admit that you have no rebuttal.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
170. He/she's got nothing but insults for Sanders and his supporters.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:56 AM
Apr 2016

I can't recall this poster ever providing any evidence to any claim. I don't use 'ignore' but if I did, this poster would be my first ignored user.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
209. T is has been refuted over and over again: You just dont want listen:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

You are a blind idealogoie: go do some homework

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
206. She'll handle her campaign alright.....
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

...a...with lots of cash from corporations and fat rich cats. No thanks.....and you haven't a clue.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
7. She has the gall to blame Bernie for HER decisions...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

Oh please, Hill, why don't you let us in on Bernie's lies about you... and I want to see it on Youtube.

Does she really think that people are that stupid? Oh, nevermind.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
188. YES, YES, YES!!! That Simple Comment Says It ALL!!!!!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016
She Knows People ARE That STUPID! This is the WHOLE PROBLEM said in so few words. I write long rants TRYING so hard to OPEN THE EYES of Hillary supporters who have IGNORED real facts after facts after facts about what her policies have done, and then they STILL try so hard to turn it back on some "piddly" thing Bernie may have done!

I SAY TO Hillary supporters now, IN TIME some of you WILL see at sometime in the future. MAY it not be too late.

I DO NOT TRUST voting anymore AND I DO believe NOW that so many Primaries have been "rigged" in her favor!

I WILL add I've had thoughts of just letting her get elected BECAUSE I honestly, truly and with all my heart KNOW the country will FINALLY see the REAL HILLARY and THIS Democratic Party for what it's become!

THIS is just a passing thought because I simply can't in good conscience support her and WILL forever think of him as POTUS even if he doesn't get elected!

BERNIE IS THE REAL DEAL!
***** *****

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
11. projection much?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

According to Hillary, Bernie was against bailing out the auto industry, he's in favor of vigilantes, he's going to take away your medicare, he's cozy with the koch brothers, he's sexist... and then there was the one about the "foreword" he wrote...

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
12. And suddenly "finger pointing" becomes a sign of STRENGTH!!!! LOL!!!!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

At least Bernie doesn't LITERALLY poke it in the eyes of voters...


 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
19. This is not strenght. She must be only talking to her supporters - who we've found refuse to vet.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

Anyone else will google: Hillary Clinton Fossil Fuels Super Pac and will instantly find out the truth. She had to consider every single news agency was going to google so she' be caught in an all out lie.

Not that she hasn't all out lied since November, but still, this is pretty outrageous because now she accuses Bernie of lying AS she lies.

I think this is only backfiring for her. All of the Republicans will check. With the Bernie supporters, that's 3/4th of the voting population will instantly seek and find a blatant lie.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
168. The problem with telling lies so often and easily
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

is the liar eventually starts to believe their own bullshit lies.

Fact checking be damned, they will keep on lying. It's what they do.

draa

(975 posts)
13. Yeah, but Swiftboating your opponent is a-ok.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

Her campaign started February with a lie about Sanders healthcare plans and then concluded with people questioning his civil rights works and swiftboating him over a picture. And now they complain about lies. She can get bent.

She'd better be worried about how she's going to get people to vote for more corruption and incompetence. Oh, and no one has forgotten the stream of outright lies and smears that her camp has used against Sanders. That will cost her my vote and many others I'd imagine.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
14. How is this Bernie lying about her? Green Peace has cited her super pac having gas and oil
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

And, that was a Green Peace Activist confronting her.

Number of oil, gas and coal industry lobbyists that have made direct contributions to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign: 57
•57 registered oil, coal and gas lobbyists have personally given $126,200 to the Hillary campaign
•Of those 57, 11 are bundlers.
•11 lobbyists have bundled $1,140,930 in contributions to the Hillary campaign
•43 lobbyists have contributed the maximum allowed ($2700).

This includes:
•Lobbyists who have reported lobbying for the oil and gas industry – both in-house company lobbyists and hired lobbyists from “K-Street firms.”"

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/


Mother Jones has cited her too:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel-lobbyists

A google shows she has lots of sites citing her for it.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
102. The lobbyists were not acting on behalf of the oil industry when they donated.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:21 PM
Mar 2016

The donations are from individuals, who happen to work as lobbyists. They work at lobbying firms who represent all manner of industry, not just oil companies. That is not evidence that they were acting on behalf of any particular industry when they give money as individuals.

The Sanders campaign disingenuously implies these individuals were acting on behalf of oil companies when they gave their individual donations:

The Sanders campaign fired back at Clinton’s assertion saying that she has taken contributions from lobbyists for fossil fuel companies.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-tells-greenpeace-activist-shes-sick-sanders/story?id=38068903

Of course, the OP does not include that, nor the following two interesting paragraphs from the article:

According to FactCheck.org, Clinton’s campaign has not accepted any direct contributions from an oil or gas corporation.


This paragraph from the story could also have been helpful:

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill released the following statement in response to Clinton's exchange with the Greenpeace activist. In the statement, he accuses the Sanders campaign of "misleading voters" with its attacks -- and says Sanders has taken $50,000 from oil and gas companies.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-tells-greenpeace-activist-shes-sick-sanders/story?id=38068903

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
114. Nonsense. What you are implying is every lobbyist who donates is committing a crime.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016

You are suggesting that no individual who happens to work for a lobbying firm, from the janitors on up to the owners, can donate without that donation being considered a donation on behalf of the clients of that lobbying firm. That is ridiculous.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
245. You trying to believe that Clinton isn't in the pocket of Big Money is what is ridiculous.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

Quid pro Quo is alive and active in politics. Goldman-Sachs gives her millions because they want something in return. For you to believe their "donations" are altruistic are ridiculous. She has always favored Big Money and they appreciate it.

In this brutal class war where 16,000,000 American children live in poverty, she is on the wrong side. She doesn't tell Goldman-Sachs that they need to help those children, she tells them that she will defend their ability to loot resources from those children. I think that siding with the wealthy as they loot our resources is immoral.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
273. Hillary is a progressive. It is a fact.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

She voted with Sanders 93% of the time when the two were in the Senate. And she voted with the Dems more often than he did.

According to data from Govtrack, the two voted the same way on legislation about 93 percent of the time.
...
Of course, Sanders wasn’t a Democrat until he decided to run for president. It’s not a surprise, then, that Sanders went against the party majority three times as often as did Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/06/the-rare-times-that-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-disagreed-in-the-senate/

Hillary has fought for poor children her entire adult life. While Bernie was holed up in a shack in Vermont, she was working for the Children's Defense Fund, changing laws that allowed children to be incarcerated with adults in the South. She got 8 million poor kids medical coverage under SCHIP.

Your hateful misrepresentation of her record is similar to the GOP lies about her that have been thrown at her for decades. It is those lies that are "immoral," since they only help Republicans win.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
278. She isn't progressive at all. She is miles apart on almost all issues from Sen Sanders and
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:59 PM
Apr 2016

Sen Warren. You want facts, here is a list for you.

Here is a list of issues that the two are miles apart:

As progressives:
We want to Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
We are Opposed to job killing "Free Trade" agreements
We are opposed to fracking for oil company profits over people's water
We want to help college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
We support making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
We want to end the unregulated domestic spying and making the NSA/CIA Security State have oversight.
Also end drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands (100 innocents killed for each suspect)
We are for reducing the defense budget
We are for taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
We support the end of the militarization of our local police forces.
We want to end Prisons for Profits
We support legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
We believe in the need for funding rebuilding our neglected infrastructure.
We support single payer health insurance.
We want to see the regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
We want to break up the big bank and media monopolies.
We are against American Exceptionalism as an excuse for neocon imperialism.
We support Green Peace and protections for our environment.

She wasn't progressive in 2002 when she betrayed our Party and acquiesced to Bush. Not only supporting the war but helping promulgate the lies.

If she helps those in need she passes the bill on to the lower classes, never asking her wealthy and super wealthy friends to pay their fair share.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
283. When you say "she isn't progressive at all," you expose your blind hate.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

There is no point in having a conversation with you if you are going to make stuff up and ignore facts.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
284. And you can't refute. Not surprised you don't want to debate. I gave you a list that
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

you can refute. But I agree that there is no use continuing. Can't fight the blind adoration. Just remember that people are dying from lack of health care and food due to the greed of the current culture which Clinton belongs and wants to continue.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
300. Maybe you don't like to talk about Clinton's outrageous position on marijuana, can't blame you.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

So let's chat about her position on the TPP. Do you think her position is progressive? Do you support her position? Do you know her position? Maybe I can help. I think her position on the TPP is similar to her position on NAFTA, "The American workers are asking for too high of salaries. Ship the jobs to China."

Mudcat

(179 posts)
151. Ya think lobbyists personally donate to someone who...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:38 AM
Apr 2016

... opposes their expen$ive clients' interests, esp when those donation records are public record?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
169. Wow, that's some amazing spin!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

Lobbyists set their profession aside because they just love Hillary so much.

A SoS that gallivanted around the world securing fracking rights for those companies these lobbyists just happen to work for.

I imagine if Hillary was filmed working at a fracking well head and while taking a check directly from a CEO of Chevron, you would still try to spin it much the same way.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
197. Finally, a refutation with substance.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

We may differ as to the provenance of the donations. "Lobbyists who just happen to represent oil companies inter alios" handing money out of their own pockets and not from their clients is certainly possible, but one might be reasonably skeptical that there was no connection depending on the size of said contributions.

Nevertheless, implying that a Greenpeace representative is a stooge for the Sanders campaign is at best a diversion... and the candidate avoids answering the question by such misdirection. "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" questions are easily handled with the simple statement "I never have beaten her."

Mrs Clinton is burdened with the "Ceasar's wife" dilemma in spades. If, as her supporters insist, this has been the case for years, then the candidate should be prepared for it, and not allow frustration and aggravation to take control of her tongue... or finger.

-- Mal

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
121. Too many states running away from 'Madame Monarch'
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

that 'butterfly' finds out its still a grubworm in the eyes of voters

(and yet she's still after more grub from Wall Street and Fossils Fuel exec bundlers)


JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
155. Pls
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:24 AM
Apr 2016

The Guild has attorneys on retainer and 'the mighty monarch' and 'doctor mrs.the monarch' and their dramatic variables are registered trademarks of The Guild of Calamitous Intent, can we NOT invite those diabolical creatures here by accident?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
140. How many lies is Clinton going to tell in this one situation alone?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:29 AM
Apr 2016

First, Hillary yells at this woman and says she is "sick of the Sanders campaign of lying..." which they have not! (lie #1).

Then, Hillary issues a damage-control press release, insinuating that she has no monetary ties to the fossil-fuel industry (lie #2).

Then, she accuses the Sanders campaign of taking "$50,000 from oil and gas companies." (lie #3)

Does she EVER stop????

Sounds like this is more continued unhinged rampage.

Someone needs to give her an Ambien and tell her to put Thursday in the rear-view mirror.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
42. I said the same thing...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

With the mainstream news suddenly reporting on the email investigation coming to an end and its not being so ducky for Hillary, I am assuming that means she knows the end is nigh. OR her internal poll numbers suck. OR BOTH.

I'm thinking BOTH.

jalan48

(13,881 posts)
47. Good minds think alike.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016


Yep-she doesn't like being questioned. She tries to turn it into a gender issue in the debates, but she couldn't do it here. Her answer and attitude were a bit unhinged. Definitely not Presidential.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
88. It is slipping away from her again and the monarch will NOT HAVE IT!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

and of course by 'monarch' I mean the sweet orange-suited butterfly she really is

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
263. Los Angeles Times says it's all winding down. Doesn't sound like there's any there there. Again.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016
 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
30. "Sic'em"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

There are two Hillarys
The calm "mi abuella" Hillary
And the "I'll sic my dogs on you" Hillary
The one thin, masking coat of "mi abuella" is apparently wearing off and we are seeing the real "Sic'em" come through.

dchill

(38,517 posts)
32. We ALL know who is doing the lying.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

Too bad she really can't stop. Too bad her supporters don't even want her to.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
34. wow
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

Where's the cool as a cucumber Secretary who sat though 8 hours of being grilled by Congress? Sounds like someone might be down in the polls---

matt819

(10,749 posts)
35. Her response is called quibbling
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

She may or may not receive money from fossil fuel companies. But her big hinders are fossil fuel lobbyists and she happily accepts donations from fossil fuel executives. And I'll get fossil fuels companies donate to doer pacs. Hey she learned from the best.

Bill: define is
Bill: define sex

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
116. The Clintons will decide what the meaning of "is" is, goddamit!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

So what if Hillary and her $uperPac take $4 MILLION in campaign "donations" from employees of fossil fuel companies!?!?!?!

So what if Madam Secretary of State made special trips to other countries pushing for the developing of fracking?!?!?!?!?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/hillary-clinton-fracking_n_5796786.html

One icy morning in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium.

Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans. The State Depart­ment's lobbying effort culminated in late May 2012, when Morningstar held a series of meetings on fracking with top Bulgarian and Romanian officials. He also touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a fivefold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium.

The episode sheds light on a crucial but little-known dimension of Clinton's diplomatic legacy. Under her leadership, the State Department worked closely with energy companies to spread fracking around the globe—part of a broader push to fight climate change, boost global energy supply, and undercut the power of adversaries such as Russia that use their energy resources as a cudgel. But environmental groups fear that exporting fracking, which has been linked to drinking-water contamination and earthquakes at home, could wreak havoc in countries with scant environmental regulation. And according to interviews, diplomatic cables, and other documents obtained by Mother Jones, American officials—some with deep ties to industry—also helped US firms clinch potentially lucrative shale concessions overseas, raising troubling questions about whose interests the program actually serves.

The episode sheds light on a crucial but little-known dimension of Clinton's diplomatic legacy. Under her leadership, the State Department worked closely with energy companies to spread fracking around the globe—part of a broader push to fight climate change, boost global energy supply, and undercut the power of adversaries such as Russia that use their energy resources as a cudgel. But environmental groups fear that exporting fracking, which has been linked to drinking-water contamination and earthquakes at home, could wreak havoc in countries with scant environmental regulation. And according to interviews, diplomatic cables, and other documents obtained by Mother Jones, American officials—some with deep ties to industry—also helped US firms clinch potentially lucrative shale concessions overseas, raising troubling questions about whose interests the program actually serves.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
118. No reason to bring Sander's name into the question.It wasn't "Sanders said..."
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

But she immediately tried to place blame on him but interviewer never mentioned him. Shows Clinton trying to misdirect rather than say yes or no.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
36. lmao
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

what a joke.

its not his campaign that dislikes her so much... its just that the majority of our ENTIRE COUNTRY doesn't trust her and/or see her favorably (according to polls at least) ...

 

MJJP21

(329 posts)
37. Delusional
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

Delusional is the only word that accurately describes her reaction. I really believe she now sees the presidency slipping away and cannot deal with it. She is now losing support among non white voters which was her ace in the hole.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
38. What lies....Specifically.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

I guess Greenpeace is on her enemies list.
I love the pivot to Sanders being the source of the question.

This should be good.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
204. Was the questioner wearing a Bernie Tee or button?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

How did Hillary immediately claim "Bernie supporter"? Greenpeace activist...could easily be a Jill Stein supporter.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
44. Okay... what are the lies?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

If this is a denial that her campaign receives funding from the fossil fuel industry... then it's pointless - a lot of this stuff is a matter of public record. If Bernie is telling lies, point them out to us - and I will be right there with you in holding him accountable. First though, you have to demonstrate that he's actually telling lies and not uncomfortable truths.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
159. The Sanders campaign implies the oil companies donate to her through lobbyists.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:46 AM
Apr 2016

Something the OP ommitted in its excerpts from the article:

The Sanders campaign fired back at Clinton’s assertion saying that she has taken contributions from lobbyists for fossil fuel companies.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-tells-greenpeace-activist-shes-sick-sanders/story?id=38068903

The Sanders campaign is suggesting that no individual who happens to work for a lobbying firm, from the janitors on up to the owners, can donate without that donation being considered a donation on behalf of the clients of that lobbying firm. That is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as suggesting that individuals who work at oil companies are donating on behalf of their employer. That would be a crime. That is not what is happening. Individuals who work at oil companies have given to both Hillary and Sanders. And no oil company has given to Hillary.

FactCheck.Org in December found that Clinton had not taken any money from PACs tied to the oil and gas industry, or companies themselves. Employees of oil and gas companies, however, have contributed $307,000 to Clinton's campaign, according to the Center for Responsive politics, while Sanders has received $54,000.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-lashes-out-environmental-activists-n548816

So is Sanders going to give back that $54,000 because it came "from fossil fuel companies"?

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
310. Thanks for the clarification.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

I know it's a crime for the companies to contribute directly/donating on an employer's behalf - which is why they work through PACs. Didn't make much sense to me either that either Sanders or Clinton would get money from a fossil fuel industry PAC, I also did not know that Clinton had not taken money from PACs tied to oil and gas. Some times it's hard to put things in perspective. These individual contributions are a big difference.

One thing I'm trying to figure out (and maybe this is a dumb question, I don't know) is... "What does it mean that these people are bundling contributions?" Another poster pointed out that 11 lobbyists had bundled over 1 million dollars for her campaign. I really don't know what a "bundler" is, in regards to terms of finance and lobbying, etc.

Checking out a Mother Jones article indicates that former lobbyists have aligned themselves with the Clinton campaign - but that is different from direct PAC contributions.

I think the conversation needs to be about the truth - and I think we need to be fair when we are telling it. From what I can see, it doesn't look like Clinton is getting big money from the fossil fuel industry specifically, other than what came from individual donors - and bundlers, whatever the heck bundlers are. I'd like to see any direct quotes from Sanders that say otherwise though. I don't think I have.

My concern is more a matter of policy (what she will do as President, as regards fracking/so called "natural gas" industry. I'm worried about Clinton's history of support for fracking, natural gas - and so on, the data that we have indicates some really immense potential dangers and disasters. Particularly, in regards to this so called "clean natural gas", the information on just how much methane is leaking into the atmosphere seems to reach the EPA directly from the industry itself - while independent studies suggest a huge, huge problem. That's ignoring, for the moment... flammable tap water, earth quakes and so on.

Now all of that having been said... this whole argument is (for me) more evidence of why we need clean elections, without exception. Tax payer funded - funded by the public and individual contributions only. That would go a long way towards taking a lot of the dirty money out of politics. I realize you have to work with the system you have - and not the one you wish you had... but we really need to get some legislation moving on this, hopefully something that can appeal to the supreme court to dismantle Citizens United.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
316. Excellent post, gets right to the heart of the matter
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

which is why you have not had a response from the Hillary gang.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
191. She isn't taking it from the "industry." She's taking it from people with jobs
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

in the industry. My husband works for a large corporation and when we give, we have to put his company's name down, and it gets reported as one of the donations given by employees who work there. But no one's telling us who or how much to donate to. It's not a donation from his company. It's a donation from us.

It's the same thing with the fossil fuel industry. Both Hillary and Bernie have gotten donations from INDIVIDUALS who work there. And neither have gotten donations from the companies themselves.

I don't think Bernie himself is lying about this, but many of his supporters are being very deceptive.

Bodych

(133 posts)
46. She's So Sick: Probably Related to Gas
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

Late last year, she had amassed a nice 6-figure amount from former lobbyists at Chevron, Transcanada, and assorted individuals in the fossil fuel industry. It was on FactCheck.org and Huffpo.

It's not a secret. Not sure why she's so angry and sick.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
126. Focus groups said ix-nay on the ears-tay.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

Finger-jabbing, yes.
Angry voice, yes

Tears, no.

Some trust fund baby/unpaid campaign intern will be sent back to his/her Daddy's gated mansion in the Hamptons for letting a Greenpeace member into the handshake line. Oh well, it will make a good story for his/her classmates when he/she starts her Harvard MBA program next September.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
239. She has often done that before, but it doesn't work when she verbally blasts a powerless young
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

woman. I get that she felt the question, which was really an accusation, was unfair, but HRC MADE this a story by responding with the fury that she did.

In fact, imagine had this been a man - any male candidate. Imagine that Bernie responded exactly as Clinton did, moving closer to the young woman as she did. That would have made almost everyone here - including many Sanders supporters uneasy. Now, imagine it was Trump, what would the conversation have been? In fact, Clinton - for the most part - gets a pass as many start up the meme that men, but not women are allowed to show anger.

Now, consider the accusations and actions of the BLM women in Seattle, could Bernie have gone after one of them in this matter and been defended here on DU? Not really -- there were many who praised the BLM women and blamed Sanders that some of his supporters were angry that they would not get to hear Sanders, who they came to hear and were almost a captive audience for BLM.

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
264. Don't think so. She looks passionate. You know, Bernie gets to look passionate. She gets called...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

...berserk.

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Original post)

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
52. Good for her.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

I'm getting really irritated with self-righteous Bernie supporters too.

I've been avoiding GD-P lately because I was about to tell some folks what I think of them.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
57. You failed to mention that there was no lie being told about her.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

Now it's somehow Bernie's fault?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
81. I didn't mention Bernie himself.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

This is an example of what I mean.

I didn't actually mention Bernie at all. I mentioned his supporters. But not one, but two replies have me blaming Bernie.

 

RANGERMAN89

(91 posts)
91. So do you agree that Bernie has no..
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

Affiliation with the girl? Do you also agree that Bernie Sanders had no part in the spreading of factual information about Clinton campaign donors? If you agree to any of this it means you said "good" for Hillary for telling a lie!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
92. I don't know.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

But I understand Hillary's frustaration with the artful smears.

I've defriended several people I basically agree with politically, becuase they can't stop themselves from shitting on any post I make that is positive about Hillary.

Fuck that.

 

RANGERMAN89

(91 posts)
97. I don't want to come off as hostile...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:07 PM
Mar 2016

But Hillary Clinton made the artfull smear on Bernie as a liar when access to Google proves that the girl didn't lie and Bernie has absolutely no control over who gives her millions. Bringing Bernie into the mix when questioned about her donations just screams that she is a corrupt liar unable to defend herself so she makes a half-baked attempt to put all the blame on Sanders.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
154. It's common rev
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:20 AM
Apr 2016

Ever have a parishioner ask for councel and then want to drop it the second it's not a talk they were expecting? Same thing.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
76. Greenpeace is not affiliated with Sanders in any way, in fact they don't endorse any parties
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

They stick to their own goals and issues in a singular fashion. If she wants to make an enemy of Greenpeace, such would be ill advised however.

You are building a fine straw man out of a Greenpeace activist, however much you stuff it tho, it will not be, a Sanders poppet


 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
124. Well then: it's on you to tell us which lies she's talking about.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

You are apparently the only person in the nation who knows what she's referring to. Spill.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
127. Not that it will matter...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

But HRC has recieved no money from petroleum companies or PACs. It's been from inviduals eho work for such companies and "lobbyists" who have ever done any work for such companies.

That may still bother Sandernistas, but it's not exactly what it is suggested by the he kler either.

And with that I'm out. I had a nasty exchange with a couple bernie supporter now-former friends earlier today and I need a break from this nonsense to maintain some perspective.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
58. I have compassion for her
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

I am a Bernie supporter with compassion.

Think of what these presidential candidates go through. Day after day... mobs of people. Constant stress from so many angles we can't even imagine. I for one have some days that I have gotten angry with people. Haven't you?

I call for compassion from all of us.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
122. I'm sorry but I'm thinking of presidents accompanied by that nuclear suitcase...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

...and what it could mean to everyone on earth and all of its critters if she blows up at somebody with the nukes to answer back, or even no nukes. (Even a limited use of nukes will trigger "nuclear winter" and we won't have to wait for global warming to do in our only planet.)

And that is not the only danger, of course--although it's the biggest one--with an unstable president. There is also commander in chief of all the other weapons and all the military services. There are REALLY touchy relations right now with China (a nuke power) and Russia (a nuke power), threats by North Korea, and extraordinary chaos in the Middle East, in Iraq, concerning which Clinton made the WRONG decision to back Bush's war on Iraq; in Libya--concerning which Clinton made the WRONG decision to support invasion and the killing of Gaddaffi ("We came. We conquered. He Died!"--with a laugh, spoken by Clinton, on vid) which caused utter destabilization of Libya; and her decision to try to do the same to Syria--all of which has given rise to IS, the worst and craziest jihadists (and worst woman haters) yet.

And one more: her decision as Sec of State to support a fascist military coup in Honduras, which unleashed fascist death squads and the murders, rapes and other brutalities against thousands of women who have led the peaceful opposition to the fascists. And this wretched decision of Clinton's aroused universal hostility in Latin America to President Obama, who has had to delay his original intention to improve relations with Latin America, until now, at the end of his presidency.

Clinton furthermore has a war criminal as an close adviser (Henry Kissinger, for godssakes) and a warmonger as an adviser (Robert Kagan--author of Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld's blueprint for destabilizing and taking over the Middle East--the "Project for a New American Century&quot .

If Clinton is so volatile that she can't take an honest question from a Greenpeace member, and blows up at the Sanders campaign which had nothing to do with it, is she not telegraphing instability, and would she not be a tool for these evil men to manipulate?

If Clinton can't take the pressure of this campaign, she can't take the pressure of the office she is seeking. There are MANY women with the intelligence and steadiness and leadership abilities to hold that office. I'm afraid Clinton is not one of them.

It is not a matter of compassion. Indeed, I have actually felt compassion for Clinton as a woman--though I'm a strong Sanders supporter. I have felt sorry for her, as a woman, as a person. But I think she's so caught up in a tangle of lies and ambition that I profoundly distrust her. I will take you a secret. I was not at all surprised at this outburst. I sensed some months ago that she was barely holding it together. I saw such tension in her eyes, in her face and in her posture, during one of the early debates, that it startled me. I thought: am I projecting, just because I'm a Sanders supporter? I thought about it a lot--wondered if I was fantasizing. Well, I'm thinking now that it was a good perception.

I agree with your call for compassion from all of us. But I would also light a candle for compassion FOR all of us--for all who will suffer from a Clinton presidency, and for all who will suffer from any Republican presidency. And a third candle for the alternative that we are blessed with: Bernie Sanders.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
150. 'MAKE HIM UN-AMERICAN' - her campaign attack plans for Obama
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:28 AM
Apr 2016

I think save my compassion for someone who deserves it.
This is an example of bad acts and slimy tactics coming home to roost.



Myrina

(12,296 posts)
61. What was it Harry Truman said?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell."

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
62. PHOTOS: Greenpeace Uses Seattle Skyline to Send Message to Clinton
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/photos-greenpeace-uses-seattle-skyline-send-message-clinton/

Show some love, click the link for much more text, and some lovely photos.

by Cassady Sharp

March 28, 2016

We flew our thermal airship over a Clinton campaign event in Seattle asking Hillary to say no to fossil fuel money.

Greenpeace flew its thermal airship last week in Seattle before the Washington State Democratic caucus with a message urging Secretary Clinton to “Say No To Fossil Fuel Money.” Joined by more than 20 partners, Greenpeace has been campaigning for Secretary Clinton to drop her fossil fuel connections since January.

Greenpeace also flew its thermal airship with the message to Secretary Clinton last month in Las Vegas during the Democratic Nevada caucus. Volunteers have also brought the demand for Clinton to reject fossil fuel money to more than 10 fundraisers, debates and rallies across the country. Secretary Clinton responded to Greenpeace’s request last month committing to initiate a process that would reverse the effect of the Citizens United decision and restore the full protections of the Voting Rights Act. However, the statement did not include a commitment to reject fossil fuel money.

According to data compiled by Greenpeace’s research department, Secretary Clinton’s campaign and the Super PAC supporting her have received more than $4.5 million from the fossil fuel industry during the 2016 election cycle. While Greenpeace does not officially endorse any political candidate or party, we’re determined to show each candidate that our membership is looking for meaningful climate action and environmental justice in their platforms and policies.


I posted this earlier, in another thread.

virgdem

(2,126 posts)
68. If she is so thin skinned that she would overreact in this manner to a simple question, then...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

I hate to see how she will react when Trump goes after her. He will rip her to shreds and she won't know what hit her.

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
266. Hillary has developed a hide like a rhinoceros from 25 years of RW lies and attacks
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

But someone yelling lies right in your face pretty much deserves what she gave in return.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
77. Her ties to fossil fuel industry must be pretty strong.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

She tends to overreact and overcompensate when you hit her where it hurts.
When she was called out for Wall Street ties, she summoned 9/11, women, and Obama.
And she's going way overboard about this when she could simply deny or downplay it.

Omaha Steve

(99,698 posts)
83. The Hill: Sanders: ‘My answer is a lot shorter’ than Clinton on fracking
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

$ from people in the industry isn't the same as from the company.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/272001-sanders-my-answer-is-a-lot-shorter-than-clinton-on-fracking

By Devin Henry - 03/06/16 10:03 PM EST

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Sunday night mocked Hillary Clinton’s numerous conditions for allowing hydraulic fracturing operations.

“My answer is a lot shorter,” he said, responding to a debate question about whether the candidates support fracking, a procedure in which pressurized water and chemicals are injected into the ground to release oil and natural gas.

“No, I do not support fracking,” he said to cheers from the debate crowd in Flint, Mich.

Clinton said she opposes individual fracking operations if a series of conditions are met: if local communities oppose it, if the drilling releases methane or contaminates water or if fracking operators aren't required to identify the chemicals they are using.

FULL story at link.

LittleGirl

(8,288 posts)
146. thank you for that clip
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:39 AM
Apr 2016

I missed that part of that debate and appreciate seeing it for the first time! Cheers!

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
89. this is called 'Morning Joe' full-hour material
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:42 PM
Mar 2016

heck, it might even bleed into the Sunday shows... So 'Presidential', screaming and pointing down at a young girl voter. Could she have picked a worse target to prove she ain't got no class?



Response to LiberalElite (Reply #90)

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
95. You edited out the part about how FactCheck.org concludes she got no oil co. donations.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016
According to FactCheck.org, Clinton’s campaign has not accepted any direct contributions from an oil or gas corporation.


This paragraph from the story could also have been helpful:

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill released the following statement in response to Clinton's exchange with the Greenpeace activist. In the statement, he accuses the Sanders campaign of "misleading voters" with its attacks -- and says Sanders has taken $50,000 from oil and gas companies.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-tells-greenpeace-activist-shes-sick-sanders/story?id=38068903

Way to be "fair and balanced," DisgustipatedinCA.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
104. It didn't say she received no donations.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

It said no DIRECT donations. DIRECT donations would be ILLEGAL.


"One small aside, the former New York senator said she didn’t think she “ever” has received money from the fossil fuel industry. But in years past, before this election cycle, her Senate campaign has accepted a small amount — a total of about $12,500 — from PACs tied to the oil and gas industry. According to research by the Center for Responsive Politics, based on data from the Federal Election Commission, Clinton’s Senate campaign has received seven contributions from oil-and-gas-related PACs between 2000 and 2008, including a $2,500 donation from the Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers in 2006 and a $5,000 contribution from Occidental Petroleum in 2000."

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/clinton-and-fossil-fuel-money/

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
110. Well, Bernie got $50,000 from people working for oil companies. Will he reject that?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

Meanwhile, according to your link, Hillary YEARS AGO, got "a total of about $12,500 — from PACs tied to the oil and gas industry." And as you note, is not for this campaign, and not directly from oil companies. So the claim the Sanders campaign is making is dishonest.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
135. Lobbyists for Chevron, ExxonMobil, BP America, & more
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016
Among the prominent contributors to Clinton’s campaign are lobbyists for Chevron, ExxonMobil, BP America, America’s Natural Gas Alliance and more.

Clinton’s campaign also has links to the Keystone XL pipeline, a project of the corporation TransCanada that has faced a series of delays since it was commissioned in 2010. Environmental scientists like former NASA official James Hansen have warned it would mean “game over for the climate,” and activists have protested it for years. In June 2015, Clinton’s campaign announced that it had hired a former major TransCanada lobbyist as a consultant.

As secretary of state, Clinton also pushed for the pipeline. In 2010, she said her department was “inclined” to sign off on the project.

During her tenure as head of the State Department, Clinton also advocated strongly on behalf of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, or TPP, which environmental and labor groups warn would be disastrous for the climate and local economy. Although the deal is 6,000 pages long and addresses a variety of obscure issues, it does not mention the phrase “climate change” once.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/watch_clinton_goes_off_on_greenpeace_activist_i_am_so_sick_of_you_bringing_up_my_fossil_fuel_money/

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
271. Just amazing how our fellow DUers are so happy to smear by omission. What will they do...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

....if HRC just happens to be the nominee for the General Election?

What to do, what to do...

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
117. and I bet a few calls from worried SuperDelegates who are considering switching
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

afterall, they've got their state voters to consider... and if their voters dislike Hillary 75% to 25%, why should they put themselves at risk for her?

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
131. Wait just a goshdarn minute!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

According to Hillary followers, it's well-known that anyone questioning Hillary or saying anything negative about her, is most definitely a right-winger.

The woman questioning her about fossil fuels was from Greenpeace.

Greenpeace is now a right-wing organization???

Mind. Blown.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
133. She looks very tired in the recent videos on CNN, MSNBC
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

And she seems to have a persistent cough & hoarse voice.
I'm betting she's edgy from her campaign schedule.

Friend or foe, let's pray she makes it through to the convention.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
138. Hey Hill! Tell us a tale about your HERO Kissinger!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:15 AM
Apr 2016

Or read us those Wall Street transcripts!

How about those fundraisers in Mexico City, London (done by Chels!) and don't forget those TWO coming up with the Clooney's! We are all just dying to hear about them!

And then there is...

Oh, who the hell has even enough time to rattle off all the garbage that she has going on.

40+ years of her and Bullhorn Slick Willy being in our faces, about something.

No More Clintons...EVER!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
160. I hope her campaign is ready to prove the her assertion that the woman who asked the question
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:11 AM
Apr 2016

was indeed a Sanders supporter. My guess is they aren't.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
161. I place little concern on the leftwing fringe like greenpeace, peta....but I can see how they can
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:14 AM
Apr 2016

get under some one's skin....their zealotry is no different than that of the RW...except the RW is dominated by it....and democrats, progressives and liberals are not

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
166. Twitter Just Reacted to Hillary Clinton Flipping Out on Climate Activist
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016
http://usuncut.com/politics/twitter-reacted-hillary-clinton-flipping-climate-activist/

Bernie Sanders’ supporters on Twitter have taken over the medium once again, this time to use Hillary Clinton’s own words to protest her policies.

Earlier today, Clinton made headlines when she was caught on video exploding at a Greenpeace activist who asked her to pledge to not accept one more dollar in campaign funds from the fossil fuel industry.

While Clinton acknowledged that some of her donors worked for the fossil fuel industry, she adamantly denied any ties to the industry itself, telling the activist “I’m so sick” of the Sanders campaign harping on her friendliness toward the oil and gas industries.

Sanders supporters have now made #ImSoSick into a top national trend, using the former Secretary of State’s words to describe how they were sick of her policies, closeness to the political establishment, and doublespeak on the campaign trail.

#ImSoSick of Hillary pretending to fight for the people while taking millions in contributions from millionaires. #ImSoSick

— Mimzy (@Mimzy122) March 31, 2016

#ImSoSick of HRC pretending we can't afford tuition-free public college when she voted for a war that cost 7 trillion dollars.

— Goodbye Third Way (@PittsBern) March 31, 2016

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
180. Meanwhile "Why Would Clinton Use Trump Abortion Remarks to Attack Sanders?"
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/31/hmm-thats-strange-why-would-clinton-use-trump-abortion-remarks-attack-sanders

Frontrunner insinuates that rival who said anti-women comments were 'shameful' and 'beyond comprehension' did not take them 'seriously' enough

"Last night, Sen. Sanders agreed Donald Trump’s comments were shameful," Clinton said during a campaign rally in Purchase, New York on Thursday. "Then he said they were a distraction from the, and I quote, 'serious discussion about serious issues facing America.'"

Though MSNBC acknowledged in its online reporting that Sanders never used the word "distraction" to describe either the issue of abortion or Trump's comments—and clarified that only later in their exchange did Sanders make the larger critique about how the media has consistently given too much attention to whatever absurdity comes out of the bombastic billionaire's mouth—Clinton made no such distinction in her speech on Thursday.


No comment necessary - says it all

Democat

(11,617 posts)
222. Take your right wing trolling back to the pro-Trump forums
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

You sound like Rush Limbaugh.

DU should ban anyone who uses right wing name calling against any Democratic candidate.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
242. Jury results
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

Poor old Shillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1399075

REASON FOR ALERT

COMMENTS

Can someone start banning people who use right wing personal attacks and name calling on the Clinton's outside of the Primaries forum? I don't care if Clinton or Sanders win, but name calling the Democratic candidate does not belong here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:13 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I had a penny for every name Bernie and his supporters have been called on DU, I would be one of the billionaires he talks about.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A personalized attack on a bona fide candidate with no specifics and nothing to back it up seems beyond the pale as far as I can see.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Name calling is not necessary, shillary and or bernie bros...not doing anyone any good..
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: DISRUPTOR ... Four posts hidden in the past 90 days.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
279. Be careful posting jury results. It is apparent to me that I've
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

been blackballed from doing jury service for doing such.

Haven't been called for jury duty in over a week.

Of course one isn't notified of this which make me wonder how many other Sanders support have been put 'in the tank'?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
287. Thank you so much. I believe transparency helps everyone, including admins and have been posting
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

jury results as much as I possibly can, whether or not I agree with the outcome. If I get punished for that, I get punished for that.

You might inquire in ATA about your situation, especially if you are a star member because increased chance of being on a jury was part of what our donations were supposed to buy us.

Isn't it funny that the violators are not punished, but the jurors are?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
289. Last time I checked, many, many posts were unanswered for months. I checked back as far as last
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

September.

The last time I checked was when I posted about a banning that seemed very unfair. No response so far, but it's only been three and a half months.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
322. Is that what happens? I served on two then posted the results to a thread
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

and haven't served on once since. Of course I happily posted the results in the Clinton group where they failed to hide a post.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
325. Check under My Account to make sure your jury box is correct
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

Mine switched somehow to not being on a jury, maybe yours did too

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
327. I check a week or so ago when I noticed I wasn't getting calle for duty and it is the same as today.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016
Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 40% (explain)


No, I'm in the can as I suspect many Bernie supporter are.

Doesn't matter much other than the cowardly approach in the way it is handled i.e. no notice/reason given.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
210. So basically her answer is that it's all Bernie's fault
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

that she's taking money from the Fossil Fuel industry. And she wonders why she's not resonating with the voters in blue states...

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
211. Its takes more to be President than an attitude that
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

"I've wanted this for 30 years. No one or nothing is going to stop me"
Hillary's internal polling is probably showing she is behind in NY and Wisc.
Look for Bill to pack up his bull horn and Bull Shit and head to NY soon.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
214. Really, Hillary?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

Well, I'm sick of your acting like you shouldn't have to have any competition whatsoever, that you are entitled to and owed votes and that it should just be a coronation instead of a democratic process where we, the people, have CHOICES. You are not a Queen and apparently you can't handle any legitimate questions or opposition and that is not in the least presidential.

BlueMTexpat

(15,372 posts)
225. How do you explain the fact that
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

at least 2.5 million voters so far prefer Hillary to Bernie? That number will continue to grow.

That doesn't fit your Queen/coronation narrative. Nor are those voters brainwashed corporatists - one of the kinder things I have been called and which does not at all endear Bernie to me.

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
233. Clinton and Fossil Fuel Money
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/clinton-and-fossil-fuel-money/

So far in the 2016 campaign, Clinton has received about $160,000 in contributions from people who work for oil and gas companies, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. But those contributions would not run afoul of the group’s pledge.
A Republican super PAC, America Rising, scoffed at Clinton’s response, claiming that she has “literally taken millions of dollars from the oil and gas industry.” But the PAC is including money oil companies donated to the Clinton Foundation — which is a charitable foundation that is unaffiliated with the Clinton campaign and would have no bearing on the pledge.

In its press release, America Rising points to a Huffington Post analysis that found “[n]early all of the lobbyists bundling contributions for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign have at one time or another worked for the fossil fuel industry.” Among them are current or former lobbyists for Chevron and TransCanada, the company that tried to build the Keystone XL pipeline. America Rising also points to millions of dollars donated by oil companies to the Clinton Foundation — a charitable foundation that is not affiliated with Clinton’s presidential campaign — and to the fact that Clinton owns shares of a mutual fund that invests in some oil and gas companies.

Those kinds of ties raise “serious concerns” for the folks at 350 Action, even though none of that has any bearing on the pledge.

“Right now, in terms of the pledge, she’s probably in accordance with it,” said Jamie Henn of 350 Action. “But this is a gray area. I would grade her a B-minus.”

more at link...

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
235. Sick of her living in a news bubble
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

Greenpeace doesn't speak for Bernie so get your head out of your *** and think straight, heck Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace no longer get along SS calls them a lobbying group and thats all. Eh Don't quite agree. But saying that to another female kinda doesn't help much. Naturally she things Bernie went negative negative means lying naturally he must be lying. I haven't found anything of the sort. But she does often lie about him. I'm just waiting to see what happens when she goes after his wife. I suppose hillary will attack her for not doing the laundry or dishes and letting a MAN do it.

Don Draper

(187 posts)
246. Once again she deflects; no simple yes or no
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:19 PM
Apr 2016

If she was being honest, she would have said "Hell yes I will take money from the fossil fuel companies."

She is such an inspiring candidate lol!

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
248. Much has been written about Hillary and her anger issues in the White House.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

She likes to scream at workers and she cusses too! She is already known to have anger issues, and she's nasty toward workers in a way that would not be allowed in any other workplace. Period. They new voters are not aware of this. She is a very nasty woman when it's not going her way. Anyone has a right to ask a question, that is the process in this contest. She shows such contempt!

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
257. GOOD FOR HILLARY. I appreciate how careful she was with that finger, too.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016

You could get your eye poked out when Bernie's agitated -- which is nearly all the time.

Which brings me to this: Double standard for women when it comes to showing temper. He's "passionate." She's "berserk."

JURY: This is my personal opinion and personal observation on a Democratic board of the ongoing Democratic campaign by our two Democratic candidates. Opposition to one or the other is permitted. As with all other Hillary supporters at this site, I have stated on numerous occasions that I will support whoever becomes the Democratic candidate in the General Election.

SunSeeker

(51,657 posts)
274. Exactly. The sexism evidenced by that double standard reeks.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:12 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie can point his finger at Hillary in the debates and he's just being assertive. But when she does it she is "out of control." Disgusting.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
276. What a charming person she is.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

Can't wait for her to go up to Moscow to tell Putin to knock it off. I'm sure if she jabs her finger in his face enough times, he'll cave.

I swear he talks to people like she thinks they're naughty housecats.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
295. That women was there to spreading lies about Hillary: Hillary has answered every question
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

that has been put to her:

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
299. I don't like lies about Clinton or Sanders.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

There's enough misinformation going around, it's probably best to condemn lies against progressives no matter where they're coming from. That's just me.

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