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riversedge

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Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:24 AM Mar 2016

In Ohio, Clinton opposes Obama auto parts trade standard

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In Ohio, Clinton opposes Obama auto parts trade standard
Hillary Clinton wants tougher rules on auto imports than the Obama administration negotiated in a sweeping Pacific trade deal


Associated Press By Lisa Lerer, Associated Press
18 minutes ago


CLEVELAND (AP) -- Hillary Clinton wants stricter rules on auto imports than the Obama administration negotiated in a sweeping Pacific trade deal that's a major priority for the White House.

Under the Trans-Pacific Partnership, automobiles could be imported tax-free into the U.S. even if most parts in those vehicles were made in countries that are not in the trade alliance.

That's drawn opposition from auto-state senators, such as Ohio Democrat Sherrod Brown, who say it would encourage manufacturers to use cheaper parts from China, which is not part of the agreement.

"It's one of the reasons I oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership," said Clinton, campaigning with Brown in Youngstown on Saturday night. "When I saw what was in it, it was clear to me there were too many loopholes, too many opportunities for folks to be taken advantage of.......

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Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks during a campaign event at the Nelson-Mulligan Carpenters’ Training Center in St. Louis, Saturday, March 12, 2016. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

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Clinton, Brown to call for tougher trade standards tonight

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Published: Sat, March 12, 2016 @ 3:04 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN – During a campaign rally in Youngstown tonight, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential frontrunner, will call for higher trade standards to assist the auto industry.

Clinton will discuss standards that result in U.S. automakers facing unfair competition from overseas automakers whose cars are largely built with parts made in China, according to a campaign aide.

Clinton will attend a rally at M7 Technologies, 1019 Ohio Drive in Youngstown. She is expected to speak at 7:45 p.m. The doors will open two hours prior.

Clinton opposes weak “rules of origin” that allow cars made with cheaper materials from other countries, particularly China, to receive benefits of being “made in America” and eligible for preferences under trade deals, the aide said.

Under the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the content threshold for vehicles is 45 percent, meaning cars could receive the benefits of the trade agreement as long as at least that percentage of the car was built in the United States.

U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Cleveland Democrat, will be with Clinton at tonight's event. Brown has opposed this standard for automakers.


Clinton will also discuss her opposition to the “rules of origin” for the steel industry, the aide said. Clinton will discuss what her campaign calls China's trade abuses with steel that led, in part, to recent layoffs at Vallourec Star.

While numerous surrogates – including her husband, former President Bill Clinton – are campaigning throughout Ohio today, just three days before the state's primary, the candidate is making only two stops. One is in Cleveland and the other is in Youngstown.

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In Ohio, Clinton opposes Obama auto parts trade standard (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
Hmmm.......seems like her level of support for the President varies with the crowd that Chakab Mar 2016 #1
Exactly. revbones Mar 2016 #2
Do you mean H C is two faced and lying to one or the other? DhhD Mar 2016 #17
It would seem to be the case nt revbones Mar 2016 #18
Of course. 840high Mar 2016 #11
and HRC's commitment to Obama trade deals Angel Martin Mar 2016 #22
Hasn't she attacked Bernie for having opposed Obama? left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #3
oh yes the TPP She was for it until she was against it but secretly for it PatrynXX Mar 2016 #4
Sounds like pander to me Bassomar Mar 2016 #5
She'll find 1 or 2 provisions to oppose so that there can be a "partial rollback" of the provisions JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #12
Who can believe *anything* she says? A weathervane in a pantsuit... AzDar Mar 2016 #6
I know this is bad form on my end but... RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #13
Show us the transcripts Geronimoe Mar 2016 #7
Try to focused. But thanks for the bump riversedge Mar 2016 #10
Finding religion the night before the election. Not fooling anyone. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #8
She only said she was in opposition d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #9
This week. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #14
So my question is this............................... turbinetree Mar 2016 #15
Too little, too late Bradical79 Mar 2016 #16
"...head cheerleader." Not really surprised. n/t 24601 Mar 2016 #26
Not sure what you mean Bradical79 Mar 2016 #27
Her strong support of TPP, until it became a political liability, did not surprise me. Nor was it 24601 Mar 2016 #29
Ah, yeah, I agree Bradical79 Mar 2016 #30
She is reading the details, and Obama admitted it wasn't perfect pandr32 Mar 2016 #19
The deal is Fast Tracked. And Obama has the GOP votes. Not one word can be changed. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #21
Every part of the deal will be subject to up or down votes separately in Congress pandr32 Mar 2016 #23
Out and out pandering. Obama's Fast Track means that the TPP cannot be changed, not one word of it. djean111 Mar 2016 #20
What is breathtaking is that so few know much about the TPP pandr32 Mar 2016 #24
That is a breathtaking bunch of obfuscation. djean111 Mar 2016 #25
I guess you missed the part about the remaining process pandr32 Mar 2016 #31
Looks like a collection of strawman arguments Bradical79 Mar 2016 #28
What's being discussed pandr32 Mar 2016 #32
That is EXACTLY what it is - a list of strawman arguments. djean111 Mar 2016 #33
 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
1. Hmmm.......seems like her level of support for the President varies with the crowd that
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

she'd pandering to.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
2. Exactly.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

Meanwhile... anti-free-trade Hillary is speaking in Ohio while pro-free-trade Hillary is lobbying congress members for free trade agreements.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. Hasn't she attacked Bernie for having opposed Obama?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

So, she wants it both ways.
HRC can distance herself from Obama.
Bernie can't.

No wonder voters don't trust Hillary.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
4. oh yes the TPP She was for it until she was against it but secretly for it
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:38 AM
Mar 2016

but dont tell anyone. and we trust anything els she's saying now why???

Bassomar

(58 posts)
5. Sounds like pander to me
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

She pushed the TPP more than 50x and now she opposes it. How convenient. pander-in-chief.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
12. She'll find 1 or 2 provisions to oppose so that there can be a "partial rollback" of the provisions
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:13 AM
Mar 2016

She can then declare victory for American workers and sign it into law, as originally planned.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
9. She only said she was in opposition
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:01 AM
Mar 2016

Despite her tougher line, Clinton did not specify what rules on domestic auto parts she would favor as she campaigned in advance of the Ohio presidential primaries Tuesday. The Pacific trade deal can only be accepted or rejected by Congress in full — not further negotiated — so her position underscores her opposition to the agreement.

The Democratic presidential contender came out against the trade agreement in the fall, driving a wedge between Obama and herself. As his secretary of state, she had advocated for the agreement dozens of times, calling it the "gold standard" of trade deals as it took shape.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
15. So my question is this...............................
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

she "was" in the State Department when Froman was hired to do this "trade deal", and she "had" access to the classified documents, to what was going down, because, she was after all the over all manager of the department.............. you would think you would want to keep informed of what is being discussed, so the "entire" team can be on the same page.

Did she not during these "group" / "team" meeting(s) want to be kept in the loop, did she or did she not voice some objections-----------------not after the fact now------------------------that is the issue here, where was she------------------she can't haven't it both ways.

She can not hide from the fact that she was in the loop on this issue (TPP)----------------it doesn't work that way, you delegate your authority and you have meetings to keep "you" the person in the loop, so that , when let's say the president ask whats going on with let's say TPP---------------------it's going fine it's the "Gold Standard of "trade deals"----------------this is just outright shameful, to the pandering

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/dos/99494.htm


Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
16. Too little, too late
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:37 AM
Mar 2016

It sounds like a reasonable response (if a bit vaugue), but it doesn'the mean much to me when she only opposed it after leaving a position of influence. Prior, she was TPP head cheerleader. It makes the pandering very transparent, and is a big liability should she win the nomination.

24601

(3,962 posts)
29. Her strong support of TPP, until it became a political liability, did not surprise me. Nor was it
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

a surprise that she flip-flopped when challenged from the left.

I believe without reservation that if the strong challenge had come from her right, for example if Webb was the primary threat, that she would have dug in and doubled-down on her original position rather than disavowing it.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
30. Ah, yeah, I agree
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

She has the same "I was for it before I was against it" Kerry had... but ×10. It seems nearly every major issue she talks about has involved changing her position at some point or outright obfuscation. It's reason #1 behind my own flip-flop on in regards to her candidacy

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
19. She is reading the details, and Obama admitted it wasn't perfect
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

I do not see that she is breaking with Pres.Obama, but is helping. Obviously we need a trade agreement, but like HC said, she wouldn't take a position until she knew what was in the deal, and that she was committed to protecting US workers interests. As details emerge we will see more of this. President Obama negotiated the best he could with those he had to work with. He himself said it wasn't perfect.
Some believe we should oppose a trade deal no matter what--that is an ideological position that will not fly, but does appeal to people that do not understand how trade works. We can never return to a time of isolation from an international economy. What we need to do is negotiate a better deal, and HC is digging in to where we can improve it.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
23. Every part of the deal will be subject to up or down votes separately in Congress
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

...and the President is still negotiating on the TPP. It could go on until 2021 if an extension is given after 2018 (the end of the expedited process). Obviously it would be helpful not to have a Republican President take over.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/09/top-nine-myths-about-trade-promotion-authority-and-the-trans-pacific-partnership/

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. Out and out pandering. Obama's Fast Track means that the TPP cannot be changed, not one word of it.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

The lying is, I have to admit, breathtaking.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
25. That is a breathtaking bunch of obfuscation.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016

Here is my favorite, though -

There is little doubt that FTAs benefit some U.S. corporations and workers, while harming others—that’s kinda free-market competition’s thing.


Folksy stuff usually means yeah, it's gonna hurt.

Pretty much none of the things being refuted are what is so frightening about the trade agreements. None of the refuted "myths" are what we have been talking about, either.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
31. I guess you missed the part about the remaining process
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

The TPP is still being negotiated and part by part will be sent to Congress for up or down votes lasting up to 2018, with the possibility of extending it even longer.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
28. Looks like a collection of strawman arguments
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Especially in context to this thread in particular. Maybe you shouldn't be so condescending if you're just going to post a top 10 list from some right wing website that doesn't actually give insight on what'she being discussed.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. That is EXACTLY what it is - a list of strawman arguments.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

Perfectly put. And the condescension is supposed to cow me and put me in my place. Nope.

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