Daily Kos Asks Clinton And Sanders Supporters For Unity

[onehandle]

Source: Huffington Post

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton may still be duking it out on the campaign trail, but at least one major progressive blog and activism site is already preparing for the general election. Markos “Kos” Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos, a popular liberal web site, wrote a blogpost on Friday asking the site’s community of writers, readers and commenters to begin moderating their criticism of Clinton starting on March 15, in the likely event that Clinton solidifies her hold on the nomination with additional primary wins.

If Sanders does not turn the tide, Moulitsas wrote, “then on March 15 this site officially transitions to General Election footing. That means, we will focus our attention not just on Donald Trump or his rivals, but also on the Senate, the House, and state-level races.” “If you want the most liberal government possible, we aren’t going to get that this cycle in the White House, but we can keep building the bench down the ballot so that come 2024, we have lots of great liberals to choose from,” Moulitsas added.

Moulitsas went on to lay out specific guidelines for talking about Clinton if she becomes the nominee. He distinguishes, for example, between “constructive criticism” of Clinton from a progressive perspective, and using “right-wing tropes” to attack her. He even prohibits liberal-themed name calling, like saying “she’s a sell-out corporatist whore oligarch.”

Writers and commenters who violate the rules will make themselves eligible to be banned from the site. Moulitsas also notes that progressives should unify to accomplish much-needed process reforms like ending Iowa and New Hampshire’s outsize role in the primary season, abolishing the caucus system and ending the practice of having “super delegates,” who are not bound to support the candidate who wins a primary state.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-kos-democrats-general-election_us_56da0eebe4b0000de404c3af

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The 'Not Hillary' Party is going down.

[grasswire]

1. fuggitaboutit.

Bernie is in this until the convention.

[onehandle]

2. Bookmarked. nt

[grasswire]

4. I still find your sig line very offensive. nt

[Loki]

14. I find nothing offensive about your sig line onehandle

Truth is often not pretty or acceptable in certain circles.

[Loki]

19. Why should I support someone who is only running

as a Democrat for convenience? No campaigning in the past for Dems., no money being contributed to Dem campaigns, (although apparently DWS keeps him from giving, yea right). That has been my biggest beaf against this carpetbagger. Trash the President, trash other Democrats and then expect me to support him. It will never happen. #byebyebernie.

[JDPriestly]

72. Why should you support Bernie?

Because he is the best candidate running and because more than Hillary, he stands for Democratic values of fairness, of honoring the wishes of the ordinary person.

Because he stands against and refuses corporate money in politics.

Because he stands against trade agreements written by and representing and protecting the interests of big, corporate money and not of working people.

Because he understands that most of the jobs for people who don't have college degrees consist of waiting tables, stocking shelves or manning the cash registers in stores, cleaning including cleaning toilets, cooking food, delivering packages (my neighbor does this and has a college degree), etc. and that the jobs that used to require just a high school diploma now require a college degree. And for that reason, he is proposing that state colleges and universities be tuition free.

Because he wants single payer health insurance since he understands that we tend to need insurance the most when we are least able to pay for it, that is when we can't work and earn money because we are sick.

Because he cares about veterans and not just about the defense industry.

Because he cares about women's issues and will strongly defend the right to choose.

Because he cares about seniors and will not allow Social Security to be privatized.

Because he will break up the big banks and make sure that the risk of failure of financial disaster is lessened by spreading risk out among a variety of investment and banking models and companies.

Because he will support small savings accounts and checking accounts through the post office in order to end the payday lending scandal.

Because he will invest in repairing our failing infrastructure.

Because he has spent many years in Congress, knows the members of Congress on both sides of the aisle very well and will not stir up the animosity and set off another eight years of do-nothingness in Congress like Hillary will and like Obama did (not Obama's fault).

Because he has years of executive experience as mayor of Burlington, Vermont.

Because the Democrats in Vermont who know him best voted 86% in favor of his nomination.

Because he is the best candidate for president we have had in the 72 years of my lifetime.

Because he won't pick that alleged war criminal, Henry Kissinger, as his adviser on foreign policy.

Because his stands on every issue are far better than Hillary's.

Because he is honest.

Because he is leading a revolution for gentle change and that is what we need.

[brooklynite]

75. "Vote for MY candidate or I'll stamp my foot and walk away" is gentle?

[JDPriestly]

91. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary.

[rockfordfile]

193. That makes you not a democrat.

[BuddhaGirl]

195. +1000

Yup...not voting for Hillary in the GE is a vote for the republican. Which means another possible extremist conservative on the Supreme Court.

SMH at the narcissism of some Dems

[JDPriestly]

196. I have been a Democrat since 1952. Wore my Adlai pin to school in 1956. Voted and

worked for Democrats ever since.

I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary.

That makes me a Democrat. I don't know what that makes Hillary. She was a Republican when I was a Democrat.

[MrMickeysMom]

210. Actually, it brings you back to the real platform OF Democrats ...

So, who are YOU kidding?

[ancianita]

208. Yeah no. You've gotten too swept up in watching the black dot on the Democratic page.

Relax. Don't help those who hate Democrats. Please.

This is still a long game. Looong. Like, not in our lifetimes.

Obama would tell you that.

[truebluegreen]

227. Um, no.

A few decades back you could have called it a long game. Now we're out of time.

[ancianita]

235. It has seemed that way since my parents said it.

[truebluegreen]

237. Our parents weren't staring down the barrel

of catastrophic and accelerating global warming...which a corporate-friendly government will not address.

[Diremoon]

77. K&R

[peacebird]

129. very well stated!

[gcomeau]

74. Get a clue.

This isn't a club. It's not about the name of the party and how much seniority you have on your membership. It's about the policies you advocate that that party is SUPPOSED to stand for.

And Bernie does now and always has stood for those policies more honestly and consistently than anyone you could care to name... sure as fuck moreso than Clinton ever has. What has kept him out of the party up until now is a shortcoming in the party, not a shortcoming in Sanders.

If you can't wrap your mind around that you are part of the problem.

[JackRiddler]

88. Si se puede!

[TrueDemVA]

124. Exactly

Well said. I have been a Democrat my entire life and he is the only one that is truly representing the values of the party. He is the only Presidential candidate I am voting for. I will support other dems on the ballot as well in November. I can't vote for Clinton, b/c that would be a vote for a wolf in sheep's clothing. She represents herself and big money. Yuck.

[laserhaas]

187. Concur - GREATLY

For a decade plus - now - moi has been trying to get an investigation of Goldman Sachs and Bain Capital; all to no avail.

Bush's Administration helped the organized crimes; and even shut down the Public Corruption Task Force.

Now we have Mitt, who is a essential part of the problem, hanging in the wings (arguably, the very reason Trump is on top, is Romney's ownership of Clear Channel/iHeart - so that he can sneak in, come June). Or our choice is Trump, Cruz or Hillary.

Who do you think our chances are better off with, to get an honest investigation, into Goldman Sachs?

Hillary?

Or Bernie?

The question answers itself...... and Hill is not going to be a Goldman Sachs prosecution thrill

that's for sure!

Just sayin...............

[That Guy 888]

79. While having Sanders run as a Democratic-Socialist would give Clinton an easy explanation for losing

I'm glad he didn't split the ticket as so many people here believe Ralph Nader did in 2000.

I wouldn't mention carpetbagger when defending former Senator Clinton, but that's just me.

Trash the President... I think overall President Obama has been a great President, but he's not perfect and did ask people to hold him accountable. I don't think he secretly meant: "never criticize me, ever"! Those sentiments seem far apart.

...and then expect me to support him. It will never happen. #byebyebernie.

As a "racist, sexist, homophobic Bernie-Bro" I understand completely and won't even bombard you with loyalty oaths and threats to have you kicked off DU for refusing to support someone who might be our nominee.

[JackRiddler]

86. Are you describing Madam Third Way?

Every point's a hit, in that case. A corporate candidate who runs as a Democrat, supports the worst within the party, trashes Obama viciously in her 2008 campaign with many of the same memes, etc. Speaking of carpetbagger, 15 years ago she showed up in my state out of nowhere and I actually voted for her. She promptly lined up with the War on Terror, the PATRIOT Act, the Bush Regime program, and her essential vote to enable the criminal war of aggression on Iraq.

[Loudestlib]

92. Why should I support someone who is only running as a Democrat for convenience?

I feel the same way. n/t

Vote for Sanders!

[Loki]

149. He's never called himself a Democrat

he's never campaigned for other Democrats, he has not contributed any of his funds to Democrats running in down ballot races. Now who is a Democrat for convenience?

[truebluegreen]

228. DUzy!

I'll never understand the fixation on labels over policies. Maybe it's just a tribal thing.

[Jopin Klobe]

111. "convenience"? ...

... you think that this is Convenient? ...

[Loki]

174. Without it he would still be sitting in Vermont,

where he shall return, sooner rather than later.

[Cavallo]

116. And that's the gist

You'll support anyone if they're a Democrat, and I demand the Democrat to support me to get my vote, as any law maker I vote for should be representing me, not me representing him/her.

We're a government for the people NOT a people for the government. Sorry you never learned that little detail in school. It was a big one to miss.

[CrispyQ]

165. Democratic leadership trashed the party when they turned republican-lite.

For years they've taunted the left with "Who else you gonna vote for?" Then, if they get elected, they call us retards & tell us to shut up, but if they lose it's our fault for not turning out. You can only take people for granted for so long before they say fuck this shit.

Is it unfortunate that the most outrageous character to run for president ever, is probably going to be the opposition at a time when dem enthusiasm is in the trough? Yes. But dem leadership should have thought of that. I thought we were the smart guys.

[ancianita]

209. They might have left us, but we ain't fuckin' goin' anywhere. FDR's will win, slowly but surely.

[2pooped2pop]

33. + 1001

[roguevalley]

48. agreed. he's in and so am i.

[MissDeeds]

76. Me too

Bernie all the way.

[platitudipus]

59. +1

Bark, bark!

[grasswire]

95. there's a parent company?

ick.

[MADem]

3. If the "eventual nominee" becomes clear, I hope we will follow suit.

I am tired of this shitflinging.

I don't think I am alone, either.

[Loki]

16. Tired isn't my word for it MADem

but we will be able to tell a lot about those who can lose with grace. I watched Al Gore and Hillary Clinton do that. We shall see who can do it on this board.

[MADem]

18. Yep. It'll be interesting to see how it flows. nt

[MisterFred]

108. Your memory is flawed.

If you thought Hillary lost with grace in 2008, I don't want to know what losing badly looks like!

[Loki]

148. She supported and campaigned for President Obama

after he won the nomination, and her organizations backed him. She started in June of 2008. Looks like you can't even accept that simple fact. I call that grace, something you obviously lack.

[MisterFred]

185. Nice job ending with the personal insult.

I was referring to the process of losing, which was pretty dirty, not after she accepted the fact. Insert personal insult of your choice here.

[Cobalt Violet]

127. tired from what? Typing? Reading? Not exactly a strenuous workout.

[truebluegreen]

229. We will also see who can win with grace, won't we?

[Cobalt Violet]

126. If you are tired of it can't you go do something else?

Is this really the only thing in your life? I suggest a hobby. This won't be over until well into the summer.

[noretreatnosurrender]

5. Markos

has been in camp Hillary for awhile now. Not surprised to see this.

[brooklynite]

8. Your outrage probably meant you missed this line...

if Sanders eats into Clinton’s big delegate lead by March 15, then we carry on

All you have to do is get those millions of disaffected voters to show up. Simple, no?

[noretreatnosurrender]

15. My Outrage?

Maybe you need to read my post again.

[Blue State Bandit]

30. Projection is an art form.

This is how they elicit an off colored response they can twist into knots to then screen cap lines and create the "Bernie Bros" meme, or "they don't care about black people", or "they hate Planed Parenthood" back in their cloistered "Hillary Group". Then it gets pushed to the media and the cycle continues.

Projection is an art form practiced by those with nefarious agendas. Attack your strengths, divide and conquer, flaunting the rules and skirting ethics, these are the tools of the establishment.

[JackRiddler]

87. Eh, if that's art this practitioner is rather on the kitsch side.

[2pooped2pop]

39. Yeah that one line makes up for all of the anti Bernie shit

We can figure out whast is going to happen to the world if Hillary wins, so I guess we are gonna be a lil stubborn on getting out.

Again it does say a lot that this is the new meme. Seems like people who really thought they had it all wrapped up would stop constant shit stirring and trying to get the opponent to quit for them.

[Duval]

63. No, brooklynite is quite correct.

Kos did say that about Sanders, but he is for Hillary.

[Loudestlib]

94. If they don't vote you probably shouldn't bother courting them for the GE. n/t

[merrily]

10. He was for Hillary from the start.

[Loki]

24. So, it's his board.

You want an all BS board, go build it yourself.

[merrily]

28. Congrats. You win the total non sequitur award. Straw man trophy, too.

For future reference, it helps to read what I am responding to and not only my post.

[Loki]

41. Whatever that means.

[merrily]

43. Your lack of curiosity is as remarkable as your eagerness to admit you don't know.

[Loki]

60. Well aren't we psychic!

[merrily]

68. Just reading your posts and taking you at your word. But, kudos on another non sequitur.

[chervilant]

81. SMDH...

[Loki]

166. Shake some more sweetie,

it might help clear it.

[LonePirate]

42. You might want to reread this quote from him as it suggests otherwise.

“If you want the most liberal government possible, we aren’t going to get that this cycle in the White House, but we can keep building the bench down the ballot so that come 2024, we have lots of great liberals to choose from,” Moulitsas added.

He obviously wants a liberal in the WH and he essentially acknowledges that HRC is not a liberal to his liking.

[merrily]

45. Thanks, but I don't think that is as clear a statement as you seem to think it is.

I also don't assume that he always says exactly what he means and all of what he means.

[LonePirate]

47. He thinks HRC will be the nominee and he's obviously disappointed by that. Seems pretty clear to me.

But I guess it's easier to believe he is a staunch HRC supporter because it fits the narrative you prefer.

[merrily]

50. Making it personal about me is what you do, but it doesn't make your argument stronger. Just the

opposite, in fact. My post to you was polite disagreement, but you went ad hom. So, which of us really has a "narrative?"

For one thing, if he wanted a liberal in the White House, he would have endorsed Bernie at some point. He didn't. The only candidate he's endorsed is Hillary, who is not a liberal. (Many of the posters on his board, however, are liberal.)

For another thing, you keep repeating that his words that you quoted make "his* desire for a liberal obvious. Read them with an open mind. They don't do what you say and repeating yourself doesn't make it any truer. He is saying if you want a liberal in the White House, here's how to get there, so we (all) have more choices (meaning more than only Sanders). It really doesn't say much of of anything, except he's not for Sanders.

For another thing, I believe this is the first time I've ever posted about him. So what "narrative" about him am I sticking to, exactly? And why would I need a narrative about him, anyway?

For another thing, read his wiki. He is a recovering Republican who "transitioned" all the way to New Democrat:

Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute,[33][34] a think tank of the New Democrat Network, which was founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996. The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats, and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996.

(bolding is mine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas

BTW, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280132789

[Duval]

64. merrily, you are a wealth of information. I honestly didn't know this

Thanks.

[merrily]

66. no problem; my pleasure.

You may want to check the DU wiki, too.

[Duval]

70. OK. Thanks.

[Raster]

137. Yes... A pattern begins to emerge, eh?

[merrily]

156. "Well, all I know is what I read in the papers." Will Rogers (traditional Democrat)

[Kelvin Mace]

104. And getting her in the White House

will accomplish what exactly?

Supreme Court appointments? Not going to happen, not unless you get about 70 Dems in the Senate (you need more than 2/3s to make up for the Vichy Dems who will vote with the GOP.

THE.GOP.HATES.HER.

Electing her will not make them suddenly lover her. In fact, she will probably be impeached. What for? Does it matter? See THE.GOP.HATES.HER. if you need a reason.

Kos wants unity on HIS site, and he will get that even if he has to ban everyone who dares mention Bernie. And after that, what will be left will be a center right-wing echo chamber.

[MisterFred]

109. You are incorrect.

That quote actually shows that Kos was for Hillary from the start. 'Cause fuck liberals, they can't win, according to him. Sit down and wait 8 years. What could go wrong?

[LonePirate]

110. How exactly does that quote show that?

He has resigned himself to the fact that HRC is the likely nominee and he is clearly disappointed by that realization. If he were in the tank for HRC, why would he be disappointed with his realization that she will be the nominee? When did reading comprehension skills go by the wayside here at DU?

[MisterFred]

186. ??

Being disappointed and resigned is not mutually exclusive with supporting Clinton and trying to undermine her opponent. He can be disappointed and resigned that he "needs" to support Clinton and therefore be in the tank for her.

[roguevalley]

114. so he thinks we should settle for what we get and somehow magically build more libs down the road,

say in eight years? who believes without the right president that there will be anything left of this world in eight years

Who died and put him in charge? I can remember a lot of bs that he spewed over the years. Centrist slag can take a hike. It always means that the libs have to settle. I'm not settling for squat.

[platitudipus]

117. Not many others will settle either.

The time now is for change, not compromise.

[Major Hogwash]

122. Me neither.

Kerry on.

[MrMickeysMom]

211. Is there a paycheck in there?

And IF THERE IS.... who else????

[Ellen Forradalom]

6. The Unity Pony

The girl has it, and needs to give it up. Plus ça change....

[merrily]

11. Where's the New Democrat half?

[catnhatnh]

21. For the win.....EOM

[silvershadow]

29. ^^Thread winner!. nt

[dflprincess]

38. Love it!

[desmiller]

52. booyah

[merrily]

158. Laughing is a good thing. Laughing on your birthday... priceless. Many happy returns of the day.

[NurseJackie]

175. WTH? I can't stop watching that! (Even though it's kind of disturbing.)

[Ellen Forradalom]

181. Isn't it though? Super creepy

[Skwmom]

7. Follow the money...

[brentspeak]

71. Thank you

We'll never see the money that exchanged hands, but I became suspicious when members of kos' staff began to pen dubious criticisms of Bernie and equally forced praises of Hillary.

[RoccoR5955]

9. Screw that!

He wants Sanders supporters to just shut up and get in line for the pre-ordination of the Queen.
He is barking up the wrong tree!

[Loki]

25. Like I said upthread,

it's his board, and if you don't like it, go build a Bernie Sander's board and see who comes.

[silvershadow]

31. What you all do without the Democrats? nt

[Loki]

35. It's been Democratic Underground for a very long time.

I expect it will stay that way. You go have your own Bernie Sander's Socialist Board OK? He's not a Democrat, and he never has been, just one of convenience.

[silvershadow]

37. Without him, you don't have a party anymore. Remember that. His crowds are swelling,

the Third Way is doing down. And apparently they are the last to know it.

[Loki]

40. Ok, if you say so, it must be true.

Oh, let's not talk about swelling, Trump did enough of that last night.

[NanceGreggs]

80. Thread win!

[Duval]

69. I disagree, Loki. He has always voted with Dems before he became one.

He is a Social Democrat and his policies remind me of FDR. Medicare, SS, are Socialist programs. I really get annoyed when someone throws that out there to evoke shades of Russia. Not that you did, Loki. Peace.

[Loki]

144. What was he going to do Duval, vote with the Republicans?

I'm talking about contributing to the party that he wants to support him. He has not campaigned for Democrats in the past, he has slammed this president often siding with the Republicans, and has not, yet, contributed any of his funds to other Democrats running down ballot. That is what makes a Democrat a Democrat, you help those people running down ballot and make sure their funded. We need this, or we are just pissing in the wind. No Democratic victories for the House or Senate will help either a President Hillary or a President Bernie. That is what bothers me most.

[pinebox]

160. Sure he would have voted with Republicans just like Hillary

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record

[Loki]

162. Interesting that Kos is supporting Hillary isn't it?

[pinebox]

163. Interesting that they are considering she loses in a GE matchup

People must want a weak candidate.

[Loki]

168. Dream on,

that's what you do best.

[pinebox]

169. Try harder

We prefer facts. Want another? The only one Hillary beats by 1 point is Trump.
Now who's the dreamer?
She's weak sauce bro, own it.

[Loki]

172. LOL!

n/t

[pinebox]

173. Yup! When you got nada just "LOL"

[restorefreedom]

182. have fun trying to win a ge without bernie supporters

might want to get used to the phrase "president trump"

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

200. I won't vote for a republican in sheeps clothing.

Better get used to Herr Drumpf!

[jillan]

46. Wow aren't you a divisive little thing?

Go get some fresh air. V

[Loki]

62. Not any more than you

bless your heart. You're the ones whining about a Hillary supporter who operates his own blog setting up his own rules. Sorry to disappoint, but that's the way the world works. Do you always get your way? How fortunate you are. We didn't get our way in *2000 or were you not involved.? No one gets their way all the time and if it were yours to run, then you get to make the rules. Simple really, for most people.

[peacebird]

131. LOL! DailyKos is a site I might hit once a week, if that. Won't miss it at all.

[peacebird]

136. The format was a pain, agree

[Loki]

142. Guess you'll have quite a few places you won't be visiting

from what I understand Free Republic is open.

[peacebird]

143. That seems like a good match for you, based on your candidate choice

[Loki]

145. Touchy aren't we?

Would you actually believe that there are actual Republicans out there, my neighbor who has been a rabid Tea Party type all his life, ex military the whole nine yards. He can't even stomach what has happened to the Republican Party and he is actually considering voting for Hillary because he said, "she won't tank this country." This man is retired, he has served his country, and you know even if he does, the Republican's in this country are scared and rightly so. So you can take your ball and go home if you don't win, or you can act like an adult, and do the right thing. That's what I plan to do . The Republicans are the enemy here. You and a lot of others have seemed to forgotten that. A Republican president would devastate and hurt a lot of people, surely you care more about that than having it your way or the highway. Bernie Sander's it seems is certainly more of a decent man than his followers. See I can say that and I support Hillary. All I see is right wing shit smear from the Bernie people on this board, and it's disgusting.

[peacebird]

147. Apparently you are

[Loki]

151. Apparently you don't read much either.

You'd rather have nice little sound bites to build your house of sticks with.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

201. We have one, called DU. And you are here.

[dana_b]

236. 100%!

Not happeneing - now, in July, ever!!

[jillan]

12. Daily Kos? What makes Markos think he has the right to tell people what to do?

Wow - some people sure have a lot of self importance.

I run a blog, do as I say.

[silvershadow]

32. It's a faux thing anyway, designed to pretend Clinton can win this if we just coalesce. nt

[840high]

85. I say - 'bye Kos.

[appalachiablue]

13. Showtime, All the Way-

[roamer65]

17. Somehow the Rethugs always manage to run a douchebag...

that makes me get out to vote to keep them out of office. I expect this GE to be no different.

Whomever is the Dem nominee, they will have my vote.

[houston16revival]

20. If Party Discord Seats a Republican President

we are all screwed, the whole country, the Court, the environment, it's
all toast

Sometimes in life you have to accept half a loaf, or swallow hard, or grin and bare it

It's early for unity, but it's time to start thinking about the consequences of
not winning the White House in November

[silvershadow]

36. Sounds like the Third Way better get to scurrying back to their roots, then...have you seen the

huge size of Bernie's rallies? We were, after all, here first.

[houston16revival]

54. I'm not here to debate you or take sides

I'm here to prevent a GOP takeover of my country

I love Bernie, I love his platform, I watch his speeches sometimes

I also realize grassroots is large on the ground, but how is it playing in Peoria?
On the TV sets of people who don't attend rallies. All I'm saying is grassroots
is not party apparatus. That has benefits, for sure, it has liabilities also. Neither
side is the whole picture. That's not known until election day.

HRC has experience, money, party apparatus, political pedigree as well as
liabilities I don't like, and can hardly abide. I thought Bill sold us out many times.
He should have supported Al Gore. That rift has never been acknowledged or
written about very much. HRC has baggage. Scandal may yet derail her candidacy.
But I will support my party because either one will pick better Justices than $tRump/Rubio/Cruz/Kasich/Ryan/Romney

[silvershadow]

56. Oh, trust me, hun...you *aren't debating me. ;) Everyone give houston16revival a

hearty DU welcome! LOL

[pinebox]

161. Always the same rhetoric every election cycle

No offense but it's always the same rhetoric, "I don't want the GOP in power" which has done nothing but enable the current system we have which throws millions under the bus.

HRC has experience, she does but you need to look at that experience too. Ask yourself why is it that everywhere she has touched is now a complete mess. Syria. Iraq, Libya, Honduras, Honduras, Egypt. I have to laugh in a way because the same people who use that argument generally thought the same thing about Obama too and we have one of the best POTUS' we've ever had. Experience is a plus, don't get me wrong but bad judgement even weighs more so.

As far as Gore, he was awful, any way you slice it.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

202. Hillary has... blah blah blah. Won't vote for her.

The people that will bring us all down are the non-progressives. They are behind the times.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

99. We as democrats can't hold the presidency in perpetuity. That's an impossibility.

Though that would be an awesome trick.

My assumption is that if Clinton is nominated it will hurt our chances in the the House and Senate down the line. That is my own gut feeling. I have no idea how it matches up with reality as I admit my own bias in the matter.

[Kelvin Mace]

105. Unless we RADICALLY alter our energy policy

and stop pumping massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere and oceans, we are approaching an extinction event, something a little more serious than a Supreme Court appointment.

Who do you think would actually try and make that kind of change: Sanders or Clinton?

Sure Sanders might fail, but HRC will not even try.

[houston16revival]

157. Valid points all

Obama did more for alt energy than any president. Alt industry is
doing its part, and that freight train will not be stopped.

The Supreme Court could derail it a bit, if they limit wind power, or
enable energy and public land grabs for the oil companies.

So it's an integral and self-reinforcing web.

HRC may owe the oil industry, for sure. Those companies are also
innovating in renewables.

My guess is if elected she will do as Obama: fund and help both.
And so will Bernie Sanders because energy policy has a long lead time.
We can't switch off carbon in significant amounts abruptly. It's a process.

[Kelvin Mace]

192. "We can't abrubtly switch off carbon"

Perhaps, but that is precisely what we have to do, as anything less is going to be fatal. And again, the only candidate who would even make the effort is Sanders.

HRC is not going to propose, or fight for, a carbon tax. She is also not going to rein in the fracking industry, so again, we are utterly hosed whether she is president or Trump. It is just a matter of the schedule.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

203. Yes! This is our last chance, I'm afraid. I won't see another Bernie in my lifetime.

[Geronimoe]

22. Markos is a clown

So what happens if Hillary is indicted in May.

Supporting the lesser of two evils doesn't work. It only allows the Democrats to move further to the right.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I'll switch to independent and vote for Dr Jill Stein.

I found DailyKos site always had a pop up advert, to donate to Hillary.

[Loki]

26. Indicted for what?

email server?????? Might want to check the news.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

205. Last I heard they gave immunity to her email server admin.

That's not something they do casually. What news are you referring to? I'll wait....

[Loki]

212. Well, try reading this for starters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/security-logs-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-are-said-to-show-no-evidence-of-hacking.html?_r=0

Going back as far as this attempt by the Republican Smear Machine to try to find something to "indict" her for, this is why they granted immunity to the person who developed the system. Anyone will always look for the worst, but they haven't found anything except emails that were sent, but not made "secret" until later, or not marked as such. Even Colin Powell, who is one of the few, if any, Republican's I admire, supports her on this. I respect that man much more than I respect those who willing follow the right wing smears.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

213. Funny, I have no respect for Colin Powell since he helped lie us to war.

And you do realize that NYT is corporate media, right? They are trying to convince us there is no "there" there, just like they try to convince us Bernie is unelectable, etc.

Pardon me if I don't take the bait.

[Loki]

214. Whatever Dump

Colin Powell was LIED to by the Bush Administration and like the good soldier that he is he did his job. You just can't stand the truth can you.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

215. You should read more. He knew it was a lie.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html

[Loki]

216. You really believe that shit?

Larry Wilkerson, who I also admire, even if you can't seem to admire anyone these days, said that almost all the intel was gleaned from different agencies and painfully after the fact, the man left holding the bag was a very respectable man General Colin Powell. I still have respect for him, he knows what he said was now lies and a hoax perpetrated by the neocons and Cheney and who else to put out front to make the world believe this lie. This man whom everyone admired as a honest man. In my mind, he was used, just like everyone else was. Point your damn fingers where they need to be and it's at Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Bush and then back at yourself. Yeah I'm guilty too because we all let this shit happen. Were you ever in the street protesting that shitty war? I was. We were called traitors, spit at, called communist everything in the book. You are just like all the other Bernie supporters, there is no grey in your world. Only black and white.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

219. He strongly suspected things were not as they were told to him

But he went gangbusters on spreading the lies at the UN regardless. No nuance whatsoever.

Black and white? Kind of like right and wrong, wouldn't you say?

[Loki]

217. Maybe if you'd been on this board back then

you would have been reading Will Pitt's posts and his accurate dissection of all the bullshit that was being put out by the Bush Cabal. On this Board, we all knew that Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destructions for the git go, but you try telling that to the people in congress. You must not remember that time very well, lives and careers were ruined for not backing that pos Bush and his dream to invade Iraq and lie this country into a war and not give a shit about the lives that were lost on our side or the Iraqis. So you want to tell me to read more, what a laugh.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

218. Hey, pal, I think I know more about the recent past than you do.

I hope you don't get upset, because that's pretty much what you just said about me.

I specifically wanted you to read the piece about what Powell knew and when. I know that is kryptonite for someone in the throes of cognitive dissonance.

[Loki]

223. Read what Larry Wilkerson has to say Dump.

It's not the same.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

232. I read everything. My opinions are well informed.

Have a great evening!

[Kelvin Mace]

106. I very much doubt she will be indicted

But I will bet even money that, if elected, she will be impeached. Indictments have to follow some rules, impeachments are totally subjective.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

204. That's one of my options too. I'm sick of the lesser of two evils crap.

[Purveyor]

23. Daily Kos, et al can kiss my ass... eom

[monicaangela]

27. Daily who?

Is this a Trump owned site? LOL!!! Very Authoritarian.

[Bubzer]

34. Duplicate post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=64082

[JackRiddler]

49. Clearly not LBN, this is 100 percent GD : Primary

Moulitsas is electioneering, so be it. But posting it here is a total abuse of LBN for electioneering purposes. The story of how Moulitsas intends to play dictator over his inconsequential little corner of the Internet so as to bolster the false Clinton camp narrative of "it's all over" belongs in GD : P.

[onehandle]

57. Biggest liberal blog asks for unity amongst liberals and it isn't news at a liberal forum?

Ok...

[JackRiddler]

84. "Daily Kos announces censorship policy starting March 15."

(First, let's correct the headline.) It is news of a sort, but it's not LBN. And it's a collection of blogs with many different views. If that's the biggest "liberal" blog then I guess it illustrates the hazards of over-centralization. The sort-of news here is that Moulitsas is pulling his usual authoritarian move. You want to inflate him as if he's important, do it in GD : P.

[Bubzer]

113. It's a duplicate post of existing news. Per the SOP, duplicates are not permited.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=64082

[SusanCalvin]

51. Wrong. Kos asks everybody to support Hill. nt

[Mark 750]

53. looking for an simple answer from a Hillary supporter, any good answer.

Before these types of post will be blocked... I rarely post, but I need some help. I find Senator Sanders the only candidate that makes sense for the future. Now in my 60's I have been able to view my history with the long view. I voted for McGovern in 72' and before I finished the vote, it was announced That Nixon won in a landslide. This was when Watergate was happening! I remember the Nixon/ Kissinger team, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Chile, Argentina and all the other human disasters schemed by these criminals. Evil.

Now I see Libya and Honduras, and I see fingerprints all over these. They aren't just Hillary Clinton's.
Will President Clinton's foreign policy be any different then Nixon"s?

Any Clinton supporter with a once of moral courage needs to comment on these facts...take time to let this seep into your core.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/06/argentina.usa
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

I cannot and will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

p.s. I remember areas of Buffalo NY devastated by NAFTA - The Catholic church, at the time, called it immoral.

[houston16revival]

55. Keep your eyes on the prize

The Supreme Court.

If you'd like Rubio to pick Justices, then don't vote!

[leveymg]

58. You should post more often. This is wiser and better informed than 90

Percent of what makes the Greatest here and 99 percent of the Front Page at Brand Orange. Keep the faith.

[Loki]

65. Interesting how coming from the same time

I too was introduced to Rat Fucking and the antics of Creep during the McGovern campaign, but we have come to totally different paths and conclusions. I wouldn't necessarily start out by calling those of us who have been in this game for that long as "lacking moral courage". You are obviously a man, better try walking in my shoes before you make that kind of conclusion.

[Mark 750]

102. Non answer

When I vacation with someone, I go with people that share my interests, values and sense of life. Henry Kissinger would not be that person. It is disturbing, reveals so much and explains the Clintons view of the world.

I see her hugging those children, boots on the ground one day. I sense a psychopathy here, a conditioning by all the power elite. Please - you just don't get it. Same old, same old manipulation, back to the Dulles days. Yes, lack of understanding, an unwillingness to understand or lack of moral courage- take your pick. None of it is pretty. American interest over lives of mothers and children around the world.

Cognitive dissonance is the term- please Hillary voters understand your condition.

[Loki]

150. You pompous .......

You sound more like the RatFuckers at the delegate convention that I was dealing with back in the '70's. Things haven't changed much.

[Mark 750]

167. You seem to be obsessed with a certain rodent, but

Love and Peace, Brother.

[Loki]

170. I'm not your brother,

but then you don't know about our profile system do you? Come on this board and make a comment about a Democrats lack of moral courage is pretty defining. You're a newbie, and I've been here since 2001. You don't know what moral courage is as far as mine goes, so we'll just leave it at your lack of respect and hopefully with that kind of attitude, you won't be here for the long haul. When you have, I might pay attention.

[BillZBubb]

159. The Hillary supporters have a moral blindspot when it comes to her.

No matter how much misery she has caused in the world, their response is no response.

[grasswire]

96. thank you for your wise and informative post.

Solidarity.

[Vote2016]

61. LBN?

[ladjf]

67. What a joke! nt

[Maedhros]

73. Markos is a tool of the establishment.

Why should I care what he wants?

[Diremoon]

78. Hold my nose

In the event that I have no other choice, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary (urp!, gagged a little). But let me be very clear: she is marginally better than a full blown republican. If she wins, our decent into feudal servitude is a bit slower.

[Geronimoe]

93. History proves you wrong

Just some examples; NAFTA was Reagan's creation and he would never get it passed because Democrats in Congress would prevent it. Once Bill became President, the Democrats in Congress didn't oppose it and it sailed through Congress. Bush could not open the Arctic Ocean to drilling becuase Democratic Congress opposed it. It gets open by Pbama with an executive order, with not a eep of opposition.

[NanceGreggs]

82. Have Moulitsas ...

... and everyone at Daily Kos been officially notified of their under-the-bus status?

I only ask because with all of the individuals, organizations, groups, etc. getting thrown under there lately, the "official notices" are probably behind due to the sheer volume of deliveries that need to be made.

[NurseJackie]

153. Where will they go? What will they do?

[DrBulldog]

83. Screw you, Daily Kos.

[MisterP]

89. *whispers* didn't she get a call from the guy who wrested the cocaine trade from the Haitians

saying he wanted to get rid of democracy, and her reply was "I'll do whatever it takes"

[Dem Socialist 2016]

97. Markos Moulitsas is not a liberal

If you ever listen to him he can barely stand Bernie Sanders. He is the EPITOME of what is wrong with part of the Democratic Party. He has wanted Sanders out of the race since day one.Wonder how he picked March 15th as the cutoff date? Could it be that after March 15th the primary/caucuses go to Arizona, Hawaii, Alaska and Washington. States that Sanders will win. He is a DLC Dem. If you are a liberal, don't ever go to his fake liberal website again. This liberal heard him last night on a National radio program and would barely hold down my dinner as Markos screamed at and scolded Bernie supporters.

[Major Hogwash]

121. Outstanding comment!!!

And, welcome to DU.

That was one hell of a first post!!!!

[chervilant]

98. hmm...

...Daily Kos, a popular liberal web site

Moulitsas has never impressed me.

[Arazi]

100. After allowing months of the same divisive bullshit to rage unchecked

Same as DU

Now he wants comity?

$$!!!!

[Perogie]

101. Hillary never voted for my best interest, why should I vote for hers?

[Carlo Marx]

103. Commandant Markos runs a boring website posting a thousand iterations of the same story: republicans

are bad. The Clinton campaign is running a campaign that has been savaging not only Bernie Sanders, but much of the progressive agenda. As she and the Democratic Party tear into Bernie for single payer, substantive Wall Street reform, campaign money corruption, while pretending the top 3 percent of income earners are "middle class"--daily kos blathers on about trump and his fellow clowns. They're horrible. We know. Much more interesting is the democratic response to the Sanders campaign proposing FDR policies. The lying, swift boating smears, false and stupid accusations of Bernie as racist, sexist, naive, a communist has been vile and kind of insane. Daily kos enables this through their silence and "cmon Bernie get the hell out of here" it's her turn you a hole attitude. This race is all about time; the more people learn about Hillary the less they like. With Bernie the opposite is true and his support increases with greater exposure to voters. The clintons are using the fossil fuel playbook: we know we have no chance of winning any policy debate, so distract and confuse people in order to run the clock out.

[MisterFred]

107. Hardly.

Apparently, we're in such a bizzaro-world, 1984 environment that telling people to shut the fuck up or go away is calling for unity.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

112. Clinton supporters don't WANT Sanders supporters.....

They've got cooties.

[videohead5]

115. Two Things We Know

Hillary will nominate progressive judges for the supreme court and she will also veto any bill to repeal Obamacare...if some of you can't hold your nose or pinch yourself real hard and vote for her I hope you can live with the consequence.it will not matter that a progressive will have a better chance in four years because of a Republican president disaster.the supreme court will be lost for decades.you have to think of the big picture.

[BeyondGeography]

128. She will also defend voting rights

Which elicits a big yawn from her opponents here but not from the GOP-targeted constituency that has broken 90% for Hillary. Eric Holder, another good Democrat who is on their dung heap, did heroic work in that area. What do we think a Republican AG would do when Republican governors across the country implement new rules to suppress the vote?

[Raster]

140. No, unfortunately WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

You assume that Clinton would appoint progressive judges, however, THAT IS JUST AN ASSUMPTION. Clinton is no progressive. Clinton is a political chameleon, able to shift her "center" to whatever direction is politically expedient at that time.

She has also taken money from private healthcare insurance, big pharma, and every other corporate entity and PAC with a checkbook.

[videohead5]

179. Her husband did

I don't care who she took from so did Obama and he appointed progressive judges.

[Raster]

180. You don't care, huh?

Have a nice day.

[videohead5]

183. So

You think Hillary will nominate judges that will overturn roe v wade?...no way on earth she would do that.

[Raster]

184. Tell you what... Google is your friend...

"Hillary Clinton" "Roe v. Wade" compromise

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

199. You don't care where she gets her money from. We already knew that.

[videohead5]

206. Thats not what I was saying

I don't remember anytime in history especially on the Democrats side that money coming from anywhere influenced a supreme court nominee.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

207. That transaction would not be made public.

[truebluegreen]

231. You think they annouce those things in the Times?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

198. Clinton people don't want to hear the truth about Hillary.

Sad what some self-professed "progressives" have become...

[Geronimoe]

118. Bringing Daily Kos members to heel

[David L]

119. Try this out, literally

Go to a mirror, look at yourself, and say two f***ing words out loud: "President Trump".

If you really think there's no difference between Clinton and Trump (or any of the other knuckleheads running on the GOP ticket), you're a deluded fool.

[Major Hogwash]

120. I still have my integrity, I never posted at Kos.

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Not after what that SOB said in 2004 about the 3 American soldiers who were killed in Iraq.
Kos was officially delisted as a blog to read on the official blog roll of the "John Kerry for President" forum.

[karynnj]

177. That was an incredibly brave, principled action on the part of the Kerry blog and Kerry himself

The anger on the left towards the war - at that point - extended to those fighting it (and yes I know the men brutally killed were contractors) - in addition to those who sent them. Consider that the people involved are now very likely in ISIS if they are still alive.

I have posted there - more in the past than now, because it is a powerhouse on the left. I liked that diaries could, but often aren't, be more researched than the typical DU post. One downside is that unless you can get an immediate response of people wanting to comment or recommend, the diary sinks almost instantly.

Kos may think that turning into another arm of the HRC for president operation on March 15 helps, but I really think they are making a major mistake. I note that they did NOT turn to general election mode in 2004 or 2008 even when someone really did mathematically become the almost certain nominee. I could add that there were no calls to do so. It is possible that by March 15, that HRC will not have over half of the pledged delegates - the point when in reality, primaries unofficially end.

In 2008, neither DU or Daily Kos went to GE mode until HRC conceded nearly a month after the last primary! I also would suggest that the Dean centric Daily Kos did not rally around John Kerry even though from the start of voting, he was far more dominant than HRC is this year - and she is pretty dominant. In fact, other than SC, OK (where he got 28 percent to Clark's and Edward's 30 - surely leading to each getting near a third of the delegates), the only states that others won came after they conceded the race in their home states - VT and NC. There was NO call for a DK, which actually supported the more hawkish, more conservative Edwards over Kerry once Dean dropped out, to go to GE mode before he had clearly won the nomination.

[emsimon33]

123. Cold day in hell since Hillary has run such a negative and dirty tricks campaign

That the DNC and DWS and many public officials and lobbyists have made the party so un-Democratic as super delegates and special interest/lobbyist money, why would any of us vote for THEIR puppet candidate? It has become very clear that just having a "D" attached to a politician or candidate means nothing any more.

[peacebird]

130. I Don't know about "The 'Not Hillary' Party", but we Berners will continue until the convention!

[Vinca]

138. I love the way you encourage unity - "Not Hillary Party" is going down.

Given the "Is Hillary Party" can't win without our votes, you should follow the advice you're posting.

[pandr32]

139. We could use some of that around here

The "right-wing tropes" and ugly things on people's tag lines should disappear. There is no purpose for them other than to cause trouble.
The writing is on the wall--Hillary Clinton will be the nominee and we best start working together to support all the other Dem candidates as well.
Peace.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

220. This is the kind of trash that keeps me fighting for Bernie.

The writing is on the wall--Hillary Clinton will be the nominee and we best start working together to support all the other Dem candidates as well.

Thanks for helping stoke my fire. I'm Bernin' up!

[pandr32]

222. More like "Bernin" out" but hey, each to their own.

Dems still include lots of people who will work together. Have a nice, and hot day!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

230. We will see.

[Red Oak]

141. How very democratic of Daily Kos

We complain about corporate media and then he acts the same way.

I guess he, too, knows on what side his bread is buttered.

Wonder what the Clinton machine offered him?

[Pryderi]

146. It's this sort of establishment arrogance

that pushes me away from pulling a lever for Hillary.

[djean111]

152. Shrug. I don't give hits to Hillary-centric sites like that anyway,

and I had already unsubscribed from the email list.

Oh, and life went on, just fine!

[NorthCarolina]

154. Typical Authoritarian bullshit from DLC types.

Who really gives a rats ass about Daily Kos anyway?

[LannyDeVaney]

155. Love, not hate!

We don't have to make America great again, lets just make America whole again!

[whereisjustice]

164. Because nothing brings smart intellegent people together like a candidate who scolds us

because a better world for the middle class and below would make the very rich a bit uncomfortable.

[Warren Stupidity]

171. Campers on DU call for Purges!

[Democat]

176. Whichever candidate wins will have gotten the most Democratic support

That sounds like the person who deserves our support for this election.

We can have this fight again in four years - after we beat the right winger that the Democrat is running against.

[Mark 750]

178. Bombers, carriers and taxpayers money, oh my! Unify behind this…

A B-52 bomber – one of Kissinger’s toys. Now Obama’s and then Hillary’s. Do you see the slow extinction of our nation?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-deploy-nuclear-capable-b52-aircraft-first-bombing-campaign-against-isis-april-1547755

http://abcnews.go.com/International/360-degree-tour-aircraft-carrier-fighting-isis/story?id=37410804

How can we unify behind people with such poor judgment and foresight?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/26/hillary-goes-to-war/

[bobthedrummer]

188. Two Clintons. 41 Years. $3 Billion. Inside The Clinton Donor Network (Washington Post 11-19-15)

"Both Clintons declined to be interviewed or comment for this article."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money

She is my class enemy...and I am one of the 99%

[alarimer]

189. Let the people fucking vote already!!!!

I'm so damn sick of this shit.

All those reliably blue states like mine and like California will have NO say in who gets nominated. This system always has been grossly unfair and suppresses turnout for nominees in other offices. But it's clear that this year it is especially unfair and designed to crown Clinton early, pesky rivals be damned. This is so undemocratic and corrupt as to be laughable. Might as well bring back the smoke-filled rooms.

If, as they predict, the primaries are essentially over by the time I get to vote, I will still vote for Bernie and during the GE, will write in someone else or vote for the Green Party or something. Not Hillary, not now and not ever.

Furthermore, I will not listen to anyone on this site or any other scolding me to do this or that. It is MY vote, to do with what I wish. As anyone else can.

[SoapBox]

190. Jury results.

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[Elmer S. E. Dump]

221. [phone]

[Skittles]

194. fat chance of that on DU

this place looks a lot like the repuke republic some days

[nolabels]

225. Well if you think about..........

It's been that way ever since 9/11............people have always come here to see if they could shine up some cacamamie story and have people believe it. Like nuclear centrifuges buried out in some rose bush garden. The more they carry on with whatever they are peddling, the less people buy.

[Skittles]

226. it's not just "people coming here"

I've seen long-time DUers I used to respect going completely off the deep end with their hatred of all things Hillary

[nolabels]

234. Yea i guess i might have seen few also

Primary season, and so many disenchantment's through the years. Being plugged in to the corporate propaganda machine even for a while can make you a hater though. Those haters have been indoctrinated into the idea by oligarchs into "that's the way you do it". They have been kind of become hypnotized into it. Sort of like the unfortunate child that get beaten and abused as a child grows up and becomes one those abusers themselves. Doing what they know regardless of the implications or even if it becomes counter-productive. Even easier to watch this kind of thing on sports of people who cannot help themselves

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

197. Markos “Clinton 3rd way moderate” Moulitsas

Yeah, I listen to him all the time.

[Dont call me Shirley]

224. I'm all for Unity. Not at the cost of Honesty and Integrity.

[LyndaG]

233. I'm all for unity

Some would prefer President Trump?