Final Clinton emails coming today

[seafan]

Source: The Hill

The State Department will release the final batch of Hillary Clinton’s emails on Monday, some 10 months after the process began.

The release comes just ahead of 11 Super Tuesday contests, which Clinton hopes will propel her to a commanding lead over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential race.

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But the drips and drabs of information from various emails have carried the whiff of wrongdoing for Clinton.

One 2011 email released in January, for instance, seemed to show that Clinton ordered an aide to remove classification markings from a list of talking points and send it through a “nonsecure” channel.

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A federal court last week declared that former aides to Clinton must answer questions under oath about their knowledge of her “homebrew” email system. At issue in the case — one of dozens to emerge related to Clinton’s setup — is whether government officials thwarted open records laws in setting up and maintaining her system.

The new probe is sure to drag for months, likely into the general election.



Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/270984-final-clinton-emails-coming-today

[Cryptoad]

1. Ohhhh NO,,, EMAILS,,,,, Oh the horror of it all!

funny how they are always released the day before an election.? Happenstance? I think not!

[jalan48]

2. Obama supports Bernie?

[awake]

3. Hey they are Hillary's emails, if she had not build a home server she would not have this problem

Just Saying

[Plucketeer]

7. Yahbutt...

Common sense has nothing to do with it.

[840high]

19. .^that........

[seafan]

8. The US District Court in DC judge ordered 4 releases in February.

In January, the government claimed that an oversight prevented it meeting its initial deadline of Jan. 29 for the final email release. The delay meant that the messages — which some have speculated could contain the most sensitive information — would not be released until after the early contests in the Democratic presidential race.

In response, Judge Rudolph Contreras of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ordered the government to release emails four times over the course of February.

State Department officials worked through the weekend to make the final emails public, spokesman Mark Toner said ahead of time.

The Hill

[SoLeftIAmRight]

10. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

and some want the government to be thrown into years of impeachment battles

[Politicalboi]

4. If only she had handled them a long time ago

If she is the nom, this is going to kill her, but others don't see it. Let alone she may have broken laws, but they don't care, it's her turn after all. The Queen is above the law.

[lark]

5. This really pisses me off.

When Colin-Powell did what she did, the government just went in and classified the emails and nothing happened. When Bush and Cheney were found to have maintained separate email systems absolutely nothing was done. They'd already destroyed all the evidence and crickets were heard from the media. So sick of the msm's continuous bashing of all Dems and whitewashing the news when Repugs do even worse.

[revbones]

26. Colin-Powell had a private server but did not pass classified info elsewhere

[karynnj]

28. He did not have a private server, he sometimes used a personal (non Gov't) email account

MOST of his email was on a government account. Hillary had been given a government account, but used an account that was on a server in her house in NY.

What HRC was beyond what others did. She personally is leading the everybody did it mantra, but in fact, she likely took it too far.

Many people in government used private ACCOUNTS, but I have yet to hear that anyone had their own server.
It is also clear that many write emails on the non secure site that are written to avoid what is classified ... and it sometimes happens that if -- at a later date -- opaque comments become clearer as things become public, what was thought to be ok, becomes classified. However, one email where HRC speaks of taking the warnings off to send something (that they ended up being able to send securely) suggests that there was a tolerance to do just that. That might explain the 22 top secret emails.

[revbones]

32. My mistake. I misunderstood Colin Powell's actions.

I appreciate the clarification.

[lark]

33. That's not the way it sounded to me.

but

[patricia92243]

6. The fact that the FBI releases them to the public shows they are not

really important.

[Merryland]

12. They are heavily redacted

The "really important" parts have been blacked out for national security reasons. But the entirety of the emails - including their redacted parts - were available to hackers from her insecure personal server.

[TryLogic]

9. If she were to become president, my bet is she will be impeached.

[cyberswede]

15. Under what circumstances?

[cyberswede]

18. I don't see anything about those types of issues in the Constitution

Section 1 of Article 2

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Eligibility for holding the office of President and Vice-President were modified by subsequent amendments:

The Twelfth Amendment (1804) requires the Vice-President to meet all of the qualifications of being President.
The Twenty-second Amendment (1951) prevents a President from being elected more than twice

[cyberswede]

21. I know what Section 3 says.

"Qualified" is described in the Constitution.

Section 3 provides that if the president-elect dies before Inauguration Day, the vice president-elect will be sworn in as president on that day. If there is no president-elect, or the president-elect fails to meet all of the Constitution's qualifications to be president, Section 3 provides that the vice president-elect will become acting president on Inauguration Day until there is a president who does qualify. Section 3 also allows Congress to determine who should be acting president if a new president and vice president have not been chosen by Inauguration Day. The Constitution was originally silent on this point, an omission that nearly caused a constitutional crisis when Congress seemed deadlocked in resolving the election of 1800.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

It's the Constitution's qualifications that must be met.

[getagrip_already]

11. still nothing illegal...

Lots of quotes from republicans. But nothing of substance.

The homebrew server schtick is pretty funny though. There is nothing homebrew about a professionally managed and maintained blackberry enterprise server. They are largely considered very secure. Even to the point where some countries won't allow blackberry based email.

They keep trying to point at smoke, but it seems it's all just butt gas they are emitting themselves.

[getagrip_already]

22. not sure where you got that...

Even the article above acknowledges that all the classification was done after the fact. That isn't illegal.

So far, there have been no confirmed reports where information that was labelled classified at the time of transmission was sent.

Just because trey gowdy implies it, doesn't make it true.

Even the original reason for the FBI inquiry was based on a false report. It was reported and stipulated to them that classified information had been sent to the server. But in fact, the subject matter (and not even the specific info) was retroactively classified months after. Had the FBI known that, they wouldn't have opened the investigation.

So nothing illegal. Sorry. Unless you can point to a specific report (that isn't a leak from the hoo-haa comittee), then you are just being a loyal member of the republican committee on bengazi.

I fall under those same rules and restrictions from time to time. Receiving information on an unclassified server that is not labelled as classified isn't a crime. Further, there is no requirement to retroactively scan my old email to see if any information may have become classified (which I likely would have no way to know or verify anyway).

So unless I received a specific inquiry asking to report any occurrence of a particular subject, I'd have no way to look back and see.

The law simply doesn't work the way people think it does.

[revbones]

27. So tired of the "after the fact" argument

It's crap. You can't copy text from classified documents into an email and assume it isn't classified. Yes the emails are classified after the fact, because they contained information they should not have.

Also, many things are to be presumed classified, or are "born classified". Just because you type them out in an email doesn't make it any less so.

[getagrip_already]

29. you are making this up, aren't you?

because you certainly don't have first hand experience.

There is ZERO evidence that anyone copied anything to remove it's classification before sending it. You can claim that, but it doesn't make it true.

Nothing is born classified, unless you work in a project that is classified. Information outside of a project isn't classified until a data owner classifies it.

For example, you may discuss a conversation with someone that in itself doesn't contain anything classified, but at a later time someone wants all conversations with that individual to become classified.

Information that today may not seem that important can become very important in a few months, and not entirely for national security interests.

But that is how information that is really innocuous can become classified at a later time. That probably happened with snowden. After he fled, all correspondence and notes from any meetings with him, or discussions about him, even if it was just a lunch date, probably became classified.

But that doesn't make anything illegal if the classification happens later and no notification is sent.

What Patreus did was illegal. He had information which he clearly knew was classified, and he provided access to it to his mistress. That was an active violation of the law and very dangerous from a national security standpoint.

[revbones]

30. My god the willful ignorance.

No, I'm not making it up and I do have experience and I can look things up, which obviously you lack the ability for...

In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

[Bradical79]

13. My #1 question regarding the emails...

...did she ever ever get emojis working on her Blackberry?

[wiggs]

23. The most remarkable thing about the emails is how

few are remarkable.

If you look at 55,000 emails from anybody you would likely run into a bunch that could be spun in an embarrassing, negative way. When these are all released and the investigation into possible security issues is resolved, I would guess that the Clinton camp will start making this point.

[revbones]

31. There were also 30,000+ that were deleted

[karynnj]

34. Remember who sorted them business vs personal?

Not to mention, anything that had any element that was sensitive was not supposed to be done over non secured email -- even if it were state.gov.

55,000 was the number of pages -- not the number of emails.

[Akicita]

24. Bernie hasd made Hillary's judgement vs his own a major issue of his campaign. THE QUESTION

Hillary should be asked in the next debate(but never, ever will be) on the issue of judgement is this: "Secretary Clinton, this is a question your your judgement. You have a lot of experience and training in the handling of classified materials in both the Senate and as SOS and yet you decided to set up a private non-secure email server to store your official State Dept. emails. Even though you say none of those emails were marked classified at the time, there must have been instances when you were reading your official emails where you thought "This information looks kind of sensitive. In my judgement I don't think it would be a good idea to have it on my private non-secure server." Especially now that we know over 1,800 of those emails have now been classified, some of them as top secret or above. Sec. Clinton, were there ever any instances where, in your judgement, the information in an email you were reading might be sensitive and not a good idea to have on your private server? If so, what did you do about it since that information is already on your server?

Of course, no MSM debate moderator would ever, ever ask such a question. Nor anyone Hillary would choose to do an interview with. But maybe at a townhall event, a questioner could sneak through the vetting process and could ask a similar question.

[pattyinez]

25. Who did Hillary's server belong to?

Did the Clinton's pay for everything associated with the server and account? If so, did they claim it as a business expense? If they claimed it, wouldn't she have to turn everything over to the investigators? I cannot believe they actually printed out all of the emails on paper. What's another word for 'clever'?

[Le Taz Hot]

35. The MSM is absolutely mum about this subject.

(OK, Faux Nooze probably has it but no one really watches them.)

[seafan]

36. Yep, "mum" is what the M$M is on this ugly turn of events.

June 17, 2011: Clinton asked adviser to send ‘secure fax’ by email

In order to speed up the transmission of a set of talking points, Hillary Clinton asked an aide to send information to her through a “nonsecure” channel.

In an email marked June 17, 2011, that was released by the State Department on Friday, Clinton informs aide Jake Sullivan that she has not yet received a set of talking points.

“They say they’ve had issues sending secure fax,” Sullivan says. “They’re working on it.”

“If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” Clinton responds.

It is not clear what the contents of the email were, whether information sent was classified or secure or whether the order was carried out.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

.....

Seems like we've been in more danger as a country than we even surmise.

Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates believes the "odds are pretty high" that Iran, China or Russia may have gotten to Clinton's server.

One top U.S. official believes that classified data is already in the hands of other nations, as stated in an article in The Hill titled Ex-Pentagon chief: Iran, China or Russia may have gotten to Clinton server:

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he believes foreign countries like Russia, China and Iran may have hacked the private email server Hillary Clinton used while secretary of State.

"Given the fact that the Pentagon acknowledges that they get attacked about 100,000 times a day, I think the odds are pretty high," he said Thursday during an interview on "The Hugh Hewitt Show."

Gates said he agreed with former acting CIA Director Mike Morell's claim that the server had probably been hacked by either Russia, China or Iran.

(see article for multiple internal hyperlinks)

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama's former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the retired chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, made the call in an interview with Jake Tapper on "The Lead."

"If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail," said Flynn, who decried what he said was a "lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America."

(see article for multiple internal hyperlinks)

This FBI probe involves two data companies that were unaware of one another's role in storing Clinton's data.

Two data companies, Platte River and Datto, were involved in storing Clinton's data. Most disturbing is that even the companies involved with Clinton's IT infrastructure sensed something bizarre.

The Washington Post quotes one employee email stating "Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy (sic) shit." Furthermore, miscommunication between both companies is highlighted in a Denver Post article titled Denver firm in Clinton e-mail mess didn't know of cloud backups:

Platte River Networks learned in August that its backup service Datto was storing Hillary Clinton's e-mail in the Cloud two years after contact began...

The moment Denver's Platte River Networks realized that e-mails of its most famous client were being uploaded into the cloud, 26 months had passed since signing on Hillary Clinton and her family...
Platte River and Datto have been pointing fingers at each other...

The company was told the e-mail server was for the Clinton family and personal staff -- not for classified information.

(see article for multiple internal hyperlinks)


The next few months are going to tell this tale.