California inmate firefighter dies after large rock hits her
Source: Associated Press
California inmate firefighter dies after large rock hits her
By Associated Press | 11:07 a.m. Feb. 26, 2016.
MALIBU, Calif. (AP) A 22-year-old inmate firefighter died a day after a large rock struck her as she battled a brush fire in Southern California, corrections officials said Friday.
Shawna Lynn Jones was taken by helicopter to UCLA Medical Center with major head injuries Thursday after she was hit by a rock that fell about 100 feet from the hillside above her, said Inspector Randall Wright of the Los Angeles County Fire Department.
She was taken off life support after her organs were donated, as her family requested, said Bill Sessa, a spokesman with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
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"Her death is a tragic reminder of the danger that inmate firefighters face when they volunteer to confront fires to save homes and lives," Corrections Secretary Scott Kernan said in a statement offering condolences to her family.
Read more: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/26/inmate-firefighter-dies-of-injury-from-malibu/
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riversedge
(70,299 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)This part burns my ass more than anything.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)It's unbelievable. I knew this country had serious problems when a number of tv shows lasted more than a season. Cops. Why not Calculus. The problem is probably like physical therapy. Slow and painful. That's why we're doing this stupidity. We're sick. It's money sickness, power sickness. Anyways, I also get burned up by this.
There's a trail on the side of my property, and for a few months I would run it, and meet the crew of all black, except for maybe one white guy. Prisoners with chainsaws. I would stop and talk. I enjoyed them, with the "man" in the background standing by his truck with a shotgun. These guys were all in for drugs.
We're so close right now to a new beginning.
valerief
(53,235 posts)But, like you, I still hope.
Judi Lynn
(160,621 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)"Her death is a tragic reminder of the danger that inmate firefighters face when they "volunteer" to confront fires to save homes and lives," Corrections Secretary Scott Kernan said in a statement offering condolences to her family.is how that should read.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)most do so to learn a skill or get time off their sentence.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)You seem to be detached from reality.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Reality is something that seems to escape you.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Tell me about some issues on which you hold unequivocal liberal positions:
1)
2)
3)
What exactly are you doing here besides being a contrarian?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)but the fact is that she broke the current law.
As far as the issues,
Single Payer.
Gay Rights.
Equality.
There, did I pass your fucking purity test?
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Maybe not.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)ya know, there is that button in the upper right hand corner called search, try using it next time before making a fool of yourself.
But I did swear off listening to such 'charming' individuals as yourself ...
It's for lent, you see ...
Gone ...
EDIT: Ah ... a Gungeonite ! - That explains a lot ... DOUBLY gone ....
See you on the other side.
branford
(4,462 posts)they are imprisoned because they previously broke the law and were sentenced in accordance with due process, rights to appeal, and other constitutional principles.
An entirely voluntary offer to perform an important civic duty in exchange for leniency in their sentences is the very definition of just and fair.
If this choice is so coercive and unfair, would you care to cite some objections by the actual inmates concerning the offer or jurisprudence why such offers are inappropriate? As far as I understand, the complaints are mostly by do-gooder outsiders, and not the prisoners themselves.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)In jail for drug possession. Forced into dangerous slave labor by the state.
Of course, she "volunteered" to get out of her cage for some time.
A tragic reminder, indeed.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Tell me why a non-violent drug offender should be in prison. I'd like to see your rationale and sources about how this strategy is effective for society.
Then please describe how a 22-year old person, being placed in prison, being offered a chance to work outdoors, is not being coerced into that situation. Would that 22-year old female normally be part of a fire crew, or did she "volunteer" just to get out of her prison cell for awhile. I'd love to read your realistic thoughts.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)so get a grip on reality.
Convict firefighters are some of the best in the nation, it's all voluntary, they know the dangers, many go on to be wildland firefighters with BLM or US Forestry Service after they complete their sentence, so as far as being coerced, you have no fucking idea of what the hell you're talking about.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Convict firefighters, "all voluntary"
LMAO.
as I said, you have no clue.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Have a great day!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)A voluntary opportunity to mitigate a lawful sentence in exchange for civil service is also hardly "slave labor," legally or morally.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)FYI, "legal" does not make it moral or the best thing for society.
HOPE IT HELPS!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)If so, you have a long way to come before you're close to a grip.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you really need to get a grip.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Please clarify.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)The one in which you responded to my statement:
"FYI, "legal" does not make it moral or the best thing for society."
with your statement:
"Get a grip on reality."
A fair reading of your response would be a strong disagreement with my statement.
Please clarify.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it's bullshit, ask me how I know this.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and giving them the opportunity to get out of the cell, only if they perform a dangerous job, certainly involves no possibility of coercion or injustice.
Your total and unshakable belief in the righteousness of our criminal justice system is laughable.
branford
(4,462 posts)As I inquired earlier, do you have any evidence that the actual inmates object to offer to firefight or that it is in any way illegal or improper, including briefs or positions papers from respected civil rights groups like the ACLU?
Further, I do hope you realize that certain drug offenders are hardly the only people in minimum security prisons and eligible to firefight. Similarly, requirements for inmates to work as part of their sentences is entirely constitutional, no less when it is indeed voluntary, or do you believe people sentenced to community service in lieu of incarceration are also "slaves?"
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Absolutely no coercion at all in placing a person in prison unjustly, confining them in a cell, then giving them the opportunity to get into the outdoors to perform dangerous work. NO COERCION AT ALL. Of course, if it's legal in the U.S.A. in 2016, there is absolutely no question about its morality or justice.
GOOD POINT!
branford
(4,462 posts)or who is eligible for the firefighting program is "unjustly" incarcerated?
As an attorney, I would love to read the legal briefs of the various private attorneys, public defenders and civil right groups involved in those thousands of appeals.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)First, it sounds like the woman should not have been in prison. Too many people are incarcerated for non-violent offenses, and this appears to be an example.
Second, inmates are not forced or coerced or bribed into fire fighting. They do it because it's far more interesting than sitting around the prison, and it's challenging, and they get outside the prison, and they receive respect from others. I worked with "con crews" on two fires, and they were great, every bit as good as the other Type II crews on the fire. They were happy to be there, got along with everyone, and enjoyed the same status as other fire fighters. In fact con crews had a better reputation than some of the contract crews.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)May She Rest In Peace & I Hope Her Family Gets A Sum Of Money Out Of This Tragic Senseless Death.
rollin74
(1,990 posts)in the area I live in, most wildfire hand crews are staffed with prison inmates.
only minimum security inmates are eligible for the forestry/conservation camps which means mostly drug offenders, people with too many DUIs, etc.
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)In Washington State, the state puts together fire crews from honor inmates in the state penal system. They fight fires primarily on state lands, but have helped fight fires in the National Forests.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,600 posts)Google DU for "California fire inmate" and you'll see. For example:
Prisoners Who Fight Wildfires in California: An Insiders Look
How safe is that line of work? You can search OSHA's 170 accident forms to find out. Go to Fatality and Catastrophe Investigation Summaries and try, for example, using "inmate fire" in the "Abstract" box. Hit "Submit." Here are a few:
Employee Suffers From Heat Exhaustion While Fighting Fire
Inmate Firefighter Dies After Training Hike
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Is it rocket science to you?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I know why, because you stuck your foot in your mouth before you even read the story, she was an inmate in the LA County Jail, which is not a private prison.
Enjoy your footcake.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)posting, debating, debunking.
And you are......................?
branford
(4,462 posts)and widely used incarcerative and rehabilitative practices approved by the courts and accepted across the political spectrum, including in progressive, very blue California.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)What constitutional points have we covered?