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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:21 AM Feb 2016

More than 130,000 asylum seekers disappeared in 2015 (Germany)

Source: The Local (German Edition)

More than 130,000 asylum seekers went missing after initially being registered in Germany, new government figures reveal.

The figures released by the Interior Ministry show how hard it is to come to accurate conclusions about the number of refugees currently in Germany and where exactly they reside.

Moreover, they shed a light on the bureaucratic nightmare the German government faces in trying to keep tabs on the more than a million new residents of the country who arrived in 2015.

The figures were published by the Süddeutsche Zeitung after Die Linke (the Left Party) made an official request in the German parliament. Officials admitted in response that 13 percent of people who were registered as asylum seekers in 2015 didn’t arrive at the shelter they were assigned to.

Read more: http://www.thelocal.de/20160226/more-than-130000-asylum-seekers-vanished-in-2015

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More than 130,000 asylum seekers disappeared in 2015 (Germany) (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Feb 2016 OP
This is a problem for more than Germany leftynyc Feb 2016 #1
They probably moved on to England or some other country. Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #2
That's not what I meant leftynyc Feb 2016 #3
Yeah, but that is likely some other countries problems, so I wouldn't be too worried. Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #11
I would think whoever leftynyc Feb 2016 #12
Some went north to Scandinavian countries; others were probably multiple registrants. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #7
They didn't go anywhere. EL34x4 Feb 2016 #13
Well, that's not as scary leftynyc Feb 2016 #14
In a perfect world we'd all just help those that need it... WhoWoodaKnew Feb 2016 #4
Sounds like a job for Super Donald. He can track down and deport 11 million people here pampango Feb 2016 #5
Many of those "children" are not minors TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #8
Soylent Green? N/t roamer65 Feb 2016 #6
If that were the case, ... Nihil Feb 2016 #9
Sounds like a rather modest proposal to me. N/t christx30 Feb 2016 #10
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. This is a problem for more than Germany
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:54 AM
Feb 2016

I mean, where the fuck are 130,000 people who are missing? If I were a German citizen, I'd be horrified and outraged.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. That's not what I meant
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:27 AM
Feb 2016

OF COURSE they're someplace else in Europe - that's the problem. If they fell off the radar, I'm thinking they're up to no good.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
7. Some went north to Scandinavian countries; others were probably multiple registrants.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

They have found multiple instances where individuals deliberately registered several times under different names (probably in order to get the monetary award several times). There are also individuals that were mistakenly registered several times in the chaos.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
13. They didn't go anywhere.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

They never existed in the first place.

Welfare fraud is rampant. Migrants were registering under multiple names and claiming multiple benefits. I'd bet these "ghosts" account for a large number of the 130,000 missing migrants.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. Well, that's not as scary
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

But no less ugly. These countries took quite the risk opening their borders and this isn't the way to thank them.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
4. In a perfect world we'd all just help those that need it...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:32 AM
Feb 2016

problem is, if one or two go on to murder then peaceful people in Germany (etc) will be outraged (as they should be with any murder). this is a really bad situation.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
5. Sounds like a job for Super Donald. He can track down and deport 11 million people here
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

illegally. 130,00 would be nothing for him.

Greece recalls ambassador from Austria over EU refugees row

Athens accuses Vienna of undermining efforts to reach Europe-wide response by siding with hardline EU members who refuse to take refugees


... the prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, threatened to veto EU agreements if action wasn’t taken to ameliorate the situation.

“We will not accept turning the country into a warehouse of souls,” he told the Greek parliament after blasting Austria for its “unacceptable” behaviour.

... the Greek migration minister, Yannis Mouzalas, said Greece would not be left by the rest of the EU to become the “Lebanon of Europe” by hosting millions of migrants and refugees.

“A very large number here will attempt to discuss how to address a humanitarian crisis in Greece that they themselves intend to create,” Mouzalas told reporters. “Greece will not accept unilateral actions. Greece can also carry out unilateral actions. Greece will not accept becoming Europe’s Lebanon, a warehouse of souls, even if this were to be done with major [EU] funding.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/greece-wont-be-lebanon-of-europe-yannis-mouzalas-refugees-eu

This racist backlash against refugees is the real crisis in Europe

The European coalition of the inhumane – contriving to trap refugees in Greece – cannot go on. A humanitarian evacuation plan is urgently needed


A coalition of the inhumane is rising in Europe. A group of political leaders have been meeting this week in Vienna to coordinate how to seal the western Balkan refugee passage. The countries involved, including Macedonia, Croatia and Serbia, don’t want to risk hosting thousands of stranded people in their poor societies. They expect that by intentionally causing a humanitarian disaster in Greece they are going to stop the misery of the world getting in their backyard. Only this week Greece pleaded with Macedonia to reopen its border as 4,000 refugees became stranded.

Meanwhile the four Visegrád countries (the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia) who have not been not invited to join these discussions, are also at the forefront of this ideological campaign to seal the Balkan route. Their motivation is based on an Islamophobic narrative, as advocated by Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, a self-declared enemy of liberal democracy and consolidator of a Christian front against the Islamisation of Europe.

Consider for a minute the “invasion” these leaders are moving against. Figures show 34% of refugees are children, thousands of them unaccompanied. Another 20% are women. The vast majority of these people are families fleeing conflict. Just under half are Syrians escaping Islamic extremism themselves. The refugee influx amounts to less than 0.5% of the European population. This was never an unmanageable problem for the EU: it is an issue only for nation states. But resorting to nationalist fixes is a cheap solution.

Democratic communities can do what states have failed to achieve by reacting to the real crisis Europe is facing today: the racist and nationalist backlash throughout the continent. There are a lot of people out there who remember well that the failure of Europe has been blamed on the weak in the past and where this leads. We will fight against it.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/racist-backlash-against-refugees-greece-real-crisis-europe

Of course the real Donald does not have to go to Europe. The continent has plenty of RW populist "Donalds" who have been around for a long time.

NIMBY seems to be the right's policy towards refugees. "Keep them in Greece, just not in my country." Or even better, "Keep them in Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon. The farther away the better." Of course all of the right's 'solutions' don't change the fact that the refugees are still refugees. Their 'solutions' just shove the problem on to poorer countries - Greece, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. - and away from relatively rich folks.

"The refugee influx amounts to less than 0.5% of the European population. This was never an unmanageable problem for the EU ...".

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
8. Many of those "children" are not minors
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

Especially the male refugees traveling "unaccompanied" from Afghanistan. BBC4 did an excellent program on this a few weeks ago. It seems Afghanis are much more informed about how to game the system in Germany, so they pretend to be years younger than they are. Some officials in Germany are starting to use x-rays to determine the actual age of some of these men, and just as an example, two of the so-called minors who recently attacked a young woman in one of the centers are at least twenty-one years old.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
9. If that were the case, ...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

... they could be shipped back to their original country as humanitarian aid, thus
pleasing the extremists of both right wing ("Send 'em back", "Get rid of them&quot
and left ("You must always cripple yourself to help migrants or you're a fascist&quot .

Win-win!




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