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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:20 PM Feb 2016

U.S. Slams Apple’s Cook for Refusing to Help in Terror Probe

Source: Bloomberg

BY Edvard Pettersson

February 19, 2016 — 2:00 PM EST
Updated on February 19, 2016 — 3:00 PM EST

The U.S. fired back at Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook after he publicly refused to cooperate with a judge’s order to aid law enforcement in unlocking a terrorist’s iPhone.

On Friday, the government again asked the court to compel Apple to obey the judge’s order to help in opening the phone used by Syed Rizwan Farook, who died in a shootout with law enforcement in San Bernardino, California, after a massacre that killed 14 people.

Apple’s resistance is “based on its concern for its business model and public brand marketing strategy,” the government said in a filing in federal court in Riverside, California. Apple “is not above the law.”

Clearly frustrated with Apple’s intransigence, the government submitted its demand a week before Apple’s deadline to respond to the judge’s earlier order. Advancing its case in the courts of both law and public opinion, the Justice Department essentially said the company has placed its profits and popularity ahead of the public’s safety. Prosecutors expanded on their initial request while picking apart Apple’s defense, as explained in a letter Cook published on the company’s website earlier this week.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-19/u-s-files-new-request-to-force-apple-to-help-in-iphone-probe



Secret Memo Details U.S.’s Broader Strategy to Crack Phones

By Michael Riley, Jordan Robertson
February 19, 2016 — 5:00 AM EST

Silicon Valley celebrated last fall when the White House revealed it would not seek legislation forcing technology makers to install “backdoors” in their software -- secret listening posts where investigators could pierce the veil of secrecy on users’ encrypted data, from text messages to video chats. But while the companies may have thought that was the final word, in fact the government was working on a Plan B.

In a secret meeting convened by the White House around Thanksgiving, senior national security officials ordered agencies across the U.S. government to find ways to counter encryption software and gain access to the most heavily protected user data on the most secure consumer devices, including Apple Inc.’s iPhone, the marquee product of one of America’s most valuable companies, according to two people familiar with the decision.

The approach was formalized in a confidential National Security Council “decision memo,” tasking government agencies with developing encryption workarounds, estimating additional budgets and identifying laws that may need to be changed to counter what FBI Director James Comey calls the “going dark” problem: investigators being unable to access the contents of encrypted data stored on mobile devices or traveling across the Internet. Details of the memo reveal that, in private, the government was honing a sharper edge to its relationship with Silicon Valley alongside more public signs of rapprochement.

On Tuesday, the public got its first glimpse of what those efforts may look like when a federal judge ordered Apple to create a special tool for the FBI to bypass security protections on an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the shooters in the Dec. 2 terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California that killed 14 people. Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook has vowed to fight the order, calling it a “chilling” demand that Apple “hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers.” The order was not a direct outcome of the memo but is in line with the broader government strategy.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice have the Obama administration’s “full” support in the matter. The government is “not asking Apple to redesign its product or to create a new backdoor to their products,” but rather are seeking entry “to this one device,” he said.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-19/secret-memo-details-u-s-s-broader-strategy-to-crack-phones
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U.S. Slams Apple’s Cook for Refusing to Help in Terror Probe (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2016 OP
Apple is blocking an effort to provide a backdoor into everyone's phone -- not just one phone nichomachus Feb 2016 #1
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #15
Apple needs to stand firm tinrobot Feb 2016 #2
“to this one device” and then another device, and then a group's devices... TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #3
It's the justice department that is demanding apple to do this. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #5
Yes it is, but a backdoor is a backdoor... TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #7
I thought that was the idea. chapdrum Feb 2016 #21
Apple "is not above the law" chapdrum Feb 2016 #4
"You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city! This is wrong!" - Lucious Fox Initech Feb 2016 #6
Absolutely stand with Apple on this DebbieCDC Feb 2016 #8
And even if there was, so what? awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #16
tracking devices on guns is actually a pretty good idea nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #18
Oh, I agree awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #19
Why would we stop there? JoeyT Feb 2016 #20
secret backdoors FreedomRain Feb 2016 #9
This issue shows how far we are from dealing effectively with IS. Turbineguy Feb 2016 #10
I am so glad you posted that Bloomberg piece. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #11
I'm with Apple on this one. Sherman A1 Feb 2016 #12
My recollection of a review of iOS8 encryption was that it compared favorably to quantum encryption Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #13
The San Bernardino shooters' phone is an earlier version, though. randome Feb 2016 #14
This has the potential to have unintended consequences. They got a court order after convincing a 24601 Feb 2016 #17
Even over in freerepublic land the general mood is to support Apple. Kablooie Feb 2016 #22
My gut feeling tells me this is all BS, that the US Gov. can already get into any cell phone. dinkytron Feb 2016 #23
Agreed. GOLGO 13 Feb 2016 #24

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
1. Apple is blocking an effort to provide a backdoor into everyone's phone -- not just one phone
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

And we should all be behind Apple on this.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
2. Apple needs to stand firm
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:25 PM
Feb 2016

This is not about opening one iPhone for the FBI, it is about giving the FBI tools to open every iPhone.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. “to this one device” and then another device, and then a group's devices...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

What is so special about this guy's phone that Apple, and every other organization, has to open it up to snoopers?

There was a time when government snooping was a bad thing, except in special circumstances and by warrant. Now, just mention "terrorism" and anything goes.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Yes it is, but a backdoor is a backdoor...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

we already have enough email and other snooping, and not by warrant.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
4. Apple "is not above the law"
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

But Dick Cheney and his ilk clearly are, and I'd bet he/they are pulling strings here.

Patriots can never rest.

DebbieCDC

(2,543 posts)
8. Absolutely stand with Apple on this
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

"oh just this one time and we promise never to do it again" said the gov't...never.

Aside from the broader issues at stake here, IMO, there's NOTHING to be found on the San Berdoo terrorist's work cell phone. FFS, both of them jumped through all kinds of hoops to destroy their personal cell phones, computer hard drives, etc. Do you think for one second they would have left that ONE phone untouched? A phone that belonged to his employer? Bulls**t.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. And even if there was, so what?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

Like I told someone at work, building back doors into iPhones because a terrorist used on is like saying we need to put tracking devices on all guns because a terrorist used one. That shut him up (temporarily). I fully suspect he will come back with "but owning guns is a right". These types never seem to remember the right to privacy.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
20. Why would we stop there?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

Literally every crime ever committed involved a person. Why not just stick ankle monitors on everyone and be done with it?

No one would abuse a power like that, and it would definitely crack down on crime. Don't you trust your government, citizen?

FreedomRain

(413 posts)
9. secret backdoors
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

provide so much intel, it is useless in real time terror detection. It is vital for investigation of a specific case, certainly, just get a warrant. Haphazard collecting of personal info isn't going to stop a terror attack, but it will leave every individual open to an attack by any official that doesn't like them personally.

Turbineguy

(37,346 posts)
10. This issue shows how far we are from dealing effectively with IS.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

They don't care about this.

We should be talking about something that concerns them.

OK, the FBI can find out who I called on my phone, but I still get my 72 Virgins, right?

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
13. My recollection of a review of iOS8 encryption was that it compared favorably to quantum encryption
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

and could not be decrypted using current available technical means. Given Apple's advance press for the OS intro whereby they announced there would be no decryption with this OS moving forward, I honestly don't think Apple can do anything even if they want to.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. The San Bernardino shooters' phone is an earlier version, though.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

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24601

(3,962 posts)
17. This has the potential to have unintended consequences. They got a court order after convincing a
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 2016

Judge that they had probable cause.

But if Apple doesn't comply, I see where pendulum swings back towards those that said the government needs to get everything because we can't trust that industry will comply, especially when time is important.

Can the government compel Apple to comply? Maybe and maybe not. You can start with a fine of $1 Million a day that doubles every day and you can jail for contempt until the court order is obeyed. Those might be upheld but maybe not.

But what is pretty clear was that in the ACA case, the USSC pretty much removed all boundaries pursuant to the taxing power. You don't need to coerce action when you can impose a $5000 tax on the sale of any device that cannot be unlocked.

But these phones are made in China. What has stopped the Chinese government from making sure they are built just right from their perspective?



dinkytron

(568 posts)
23. My gut feeling tells me this is all BS, that the US Gov. can already get into any cell phone.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

Of course this is just speculative.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
24. Agreed.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

It's the govt trying to cover up the fact that they can already do it. I think it's gonna backfire on them.

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