Sanders Takes National Lead Over Clinton For First Time In Major Poll

[Stuart G]

Source: Talking Points Memo:

By Conor Dinan, February 18, 2016, 10:31 PM EST,..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has overtaken former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as frontrunner in the national Democratic primary, according to a Fox News poll released Thursday.

The Fox News poll showed Sanders beating Clinton by 47 percent to 44 percent. This indicates that the Vermont Senator has closed the 12-point gap separating them when the same poll was conducted in January, when Clinton led by 49 percent to 37 percent.

This is the first major poll to suggest that he has taken the lead over the longtime frontrunner who came into the 2016 cycle as the presumptive nominee. Sanders has enjoyed a surge in support that has lasted for at least a month, as he won the New Hampshire primary and narrowly lost to Clinton in Iowa.

The Fox News poll was carried out Feb. 15-17 by live telephone interview. Pollsters surveyed 429 respondents, with a margin of error of 4.5 percentage points.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/sanders-leading-fox-dem-national-poll

[woundedkarma]

1. hahahahahhaha

Fox news poll? Please, it's guaranteed to be made up. They probably called 5 employees of fox news. Of course it's gonna say that Clinton is losing. They are more afraid of her than Sanders.

I think the world of Bernie Sanders and in the world I want to live in... he'd win. I think against a repub he probably will win. But Clinton has the resume. She will appeal to all women not just democrats.

When someone reputable releases a poll that says Sanders is over Clinton I'll cheer. Til then..

[Stuart G]

3. Perhaps you are correct...perhaps not..I saw this as "news"..even if it was a Fox news poll

No matter who or what you read, it is going to be very close between these two. (in my opinion)...

[ananda]

45. If this were the ONLY poll showing Sanders doing well ...

... I would ignore it.

However, that is not the case. Many polls are showing him
surging.

[trillion]

49. It is news, and it's cheering.

After seeing how bought out Hillary is on every topic I've googled her on except planned parenthood, I would say the nation is correctly waking up.

That she was benefiting from the for profit prison industry and only took it out of her super pack at the end of October(she had the biggest for profit prison industry lobbyists in it and only took it out because she was exposed badly for it in Huffington Post) I'm convinced that there is no great horrible industry she isn't a minion for. I mean, let's get it right - She is for fracking, fossil fuels(still in her super pacs), the war industry(still in her super pacs), the insurance industry (still in her super pacs), Wall Streets biggest banksters and hedge funds (still in her super pacs), she helped write the first TPP as well as was a part of the mass incarceration laws in this country, and has profited off of immigrant deportations (their private prisons were also in her super pacs until October 27th.)

There is no chance she's going to do anything about campaign finance when she's one of the two biggest recipients of it (her and Jeb).

Aside from Roe Vs. Wade and gay rights, I don't see where she can be called a progressive. I bet she'd go against them for a lobbyist who pays her enough.

[trillion]

58. And about that fracking - this article came out a week an a half ago

Bernie Sanders Will Ban Fracking. Hillary Clinton 'Sold Fracking to the World'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-will-ban-fracking-_b_9156182.html

"According to Reuters, "the Wall Street Journal reported that the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative have accepted large donations from major energy companies Exxon Mobil and Chevron." Clinton's foundations also accepted money from an office of the Canadian government linked to promoting Keystone XL.

For some reason, many Democrats overlook the fact that Clinton promises to uphold a progressive value system, while simultaneously accepting donations from corporations and governments working to undermine these principles. "

"With Hillary Clinton, not only will she accept money from oil, gas, and coal companies (unlike Sanders), but Clinton will accept money from virtually any corporation. The money trail speaks volumes, especially when Mother Jones writes that one environmental activist told Clinton, "I'm disappointed about the answer you gave to climate change... I'm wondering if your answer... is due to contributions from the fossil fuel industry to your campaign."

Finally, don't take the word of a writer who believes Bernie Sanders is a once in a lifetime candidate. Experts in the field of environmental protection and the dangers of fracking have highlighted the problems with Hillary Clinton's climate plan. A POLITICO article titled The holes in Hillary's climate plan explains why Clinton's fracking dollars might lead to sub-par record on climate change as president:"

[Dustlawyer]

6. I wouldn't put much stock in Fox polls either, but Bernie is still closing the gap!

When you talk about Hillary appealing to ALL WOMEN, that's just not true. Bernie won NH with more women voting for him than her. Bernie also appeals to many Republicans, a lot of whom are women. He is also growing in support among Latinos and AFrican Americans.

Hillary is the one that has a harder time against Republicans than Bernie on almost every poll! The tide is turning. My fear is that she tries to steal the Primary with the Super Delagates and destroys our Party and its hopes of the Presidency!

[trillion]

50. She will not have a harder time beating the Republicans. She can't even stand up to the majority of

the Dems with her record of backers.

[jeff47]

13. They did better in NH than PPP

Last PPP NH poll: Clinton 47, Sanders 44
Last Fox News NH poll: Sanders 56, Clinton 34

[griloco]

24. hey, give Fox a break

Aren't they only news organization that got Ohio right in the last election. Remember when everyone else was calling it for Obama until Karl Rove set 'em straight.

[JohnnyRingo]

44. It does smack of desperation.

Like a poll that says Freepers and Tea Party members prefer to run against Bernie over Hillary.

[UpInArms]

48. well, I am a "woman" and I am "going to hell" because I

support Sanders

Hillary is a politician and a corporatist

don't need or want that

she is not appealing "to all women"

none of my "women" friends are voting for her

[Blackjackdavey]

52. I'm not a woman

But I live with one and work with many others. To my knowledge, they are all going for Bernie. The media has largely focused on the college aged cohort -- but the Gen Xers are going to go Bernie, big time. Bernie's candidacy is in large part our coming of age, the culmination of twenty-five years worth of waiting for this moment as he encapsulates each of the important issues that kept many of us up, late into the night, with our angst and anti-establishment ideals.

Actually, upon reflection, I wanted to say that President Obama's election was the beginning of age as well. It will continue.

[Loki]

2. Fox News?

Good Lord, I've seen it all now.

[Matt_in_STL]

7. No kidding. No self respecting Hillary supporter would quote a Fox News poll.

Oh, except when they do:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251671083
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110729677
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141325787
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251671272

[Loki]

11. I've been on this board since it started

I don't quote or cite fox ever, I don't care who I support.

[daleanime]

16. And I'm sure that you've told that....

to the Hillary supporters who have used it.

[ctsnowman]

22. lol Love it.

[Loki]

59. You know what, I don't really give a crap about what you think or

much credence to any poll or information coming out of fox, obviously you do. That must be your primary news source, so, I'll take that as all I need to know.

[snooper2]

60. you know what happens when you ASSUME!

LOL

[Loki]

61. Aww, you're so funny.

n/t

[snooper2]

62. I am! But, I'm not as funny as Key of Awesome!

Otherwise I would have changed careers

[daleanime]

63. Huh? You don't like me assuming that you treat people....

the same? How strange. Make sure to have a lovely day.

[pinebox]

31. Bwhahahaha!

You guys in camp weathervane are hilarious!

[Plucketeer]

46. Makes a person DIZZY, I tell ya!

[pinebox]

69. It does!

It's a merry go round of stupid

[daleanime]

12. ........

[thereismore]

18. Quite.

[ctsnowman]

20. Exactly!

[2pooped2pop]

28. Lol good one

[scipan]

57. Fox/Anderson Robbins Research (D) / Shaw & Company Research (R)

has a B rating by 538.

[Stuart G]

75. As a point of information on this link...from TPM..

I took this from Talking Points Memo. That site is usually reliable and honest. That is why this was posted in the first place. I saw this as news at that site. It is a poll. Yes, a poll from Fox, but it is a poll..
Another poll and the first that had Bernie ahead. Looked like news to me, and it was news at Talking Points Memo. That is usually good enough for most news.

[TAMPABAY]

4. RCP Average has it a 5 point race

Realclearpolitics.com has an average of five recent polls, and show it a five point race with Hillary below 50%. Don't look now, but with no winner take all states, and Bernie raising plenty of money this is shaping up to be a long race.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. Yeah, sorry I love Bernie

but the day I believe anything Fox says is the day they should cart me off to Yarra Bend

[erlewyne]

10. I'll be wearing ear muffs in hell

----- I won't listen to FOX and I don't expect to wear ear muffs after I die!

[jeff47]

15. Well, they did better in NH than PPP

Last PPP NH poll: Clinton 47, Sanders 44
Last Fox News NH poll: Sanders 56, Clinton 34

[Kelvin Mace]

37. How did they call Iowa?

Again, would love for them to be right...

[jeff47]

38. PPP: Clinton 48, Sanders 40

Fox News: Clinton 48, Sanders 42

So, PPP outside their MoE again, Fox News inside their MoE.

For Iowa:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html

For NH:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html

[Kelvin Mace]

40. Yes, but Fox MoE was bigger

Again, I want to believe it, but trusting Fox is like trusting Jack the Ripper with a new set of knives.

[jeff47]

43. Being within a larger MoE is better than being outside a smaller MoE.

Breaking the MoE means your poll was very wrong. If you're doing it right, the results should land within your MoE 95% of the time.

Most likely PPP's "likely voter model" is not at all accurate.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. Thanks for the explanation!

[pinebox]

32. Shepherd Smith hurricane Katrina coverage was pretty epic

He had the best coverage out of anybody.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. I agree, but we are talking about 11 years ago

and a Fox poll.

I WANT this to be true, but it's Fox.

[pinebox]

39. Oh I know but sometimes they do some pretty good stuff

I will give credit where it's due.
Did you see the Bernie interview on FOX a few days ago?
Damn!

[Kelvin Mace]

41. I couldn't do an interview with Chris Wallace

I would be unable to ask my own question like, "Does you father turning over in his grave make much noise?"

[pinebox]

42. lol He has balls, you have to love the guy!

[scipan]

56. Fox/Anderson Robbins Research (D) / Shaw & Company Research (R)

has a B rating by 538.

actual poll: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-national-presidential-race-february-18-2016/

[RATM435]

8. One of the questions do you like puppies or hillary .

[Fuddnik]

14. I'll take puppies every time.

[ileus]

9. That's okay we've got the Supers on our side...the people can pole all they want.

[Tarc]

17. a 3 point "lead" in a Fox poll with a MoE of 4.5%

Someone fell asleep in Intro to Statistics.

[Fearless]

33. You would call it... a statistical tie?

[Historic NY]

34. LOL....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

19. Even ignoring Fox for the moment,

Sanders has been at 40 or above for 7 of the last 10 national polls, 42 and above for 5 of them. I'd say he's at least running at 44% by now, and still trending upwards.

[Orsino]

21. About time.

I'm not impressed by nonscientific polls, particularly from Fox, but Sanders' path to the nomination has never been other than a long, slow slog. This poll might just have been DUed, or be a prank aimed at hurting Clinton.

But even given Sanders' terrific progress, this is beginning to be the time we'd need to see him closing the gap, or even leading in some polls.

[roguevalley]

35. land line polls don't show it but internals

Do hence hrc pulling out of Nevada yesterday

[thesquanderer]

65. It's a scientific poll.

The easiest way to tell a scientific from a nonscientific poll is the presence or absence of a margin-of-error figure.

That said, not all scientific polls have proven to be equally good. But this one is pretty good, 538 rates "Fox News/Anderson Robbins" a B.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/

[leftofcool]

23. LMAO

[SecularMotion]

25. Please self-delete

Do we really need to promote bogus polls from Fox News on DU?

[thesquanderer]

66. Not a bogus poll. See post #65. (n/t)

[itsrobert]

26. Thats strange. When Bernie was 2 pts down

The media and Sanders supporters said they were tied. Now this poll says Sanders is up by 3 pts and the Media and Sanders supporters are saying Bernie is in the lead.

Which is it?

[thesquanderer]

68. Example?

Which media has said they were tied when a poll had Bernie 2 pts down, but says he's ahead when he's 3 pts up? Then if you want to confirm bias, you'd also have to find other examples where the same media called someone ahead when s/he was ahead by 2 points and/or called it as a tie when someone was ahead by 3 pts.

As for Sanders supporters, like Hillary supporters, they are individuals. There's no hypocrisy unless the same supporter takes the two contradictory positions.

[AzDar]

27. Go, Bernie GO!!

[OhZone]

29. Fox. lulz nt

[merrily]

30. I felt as though I'd won when Bernie made his informal announcement. Anything after that is icing.

I love icing.

[George II]

47. No surprise, Fox and the republicans would much rather face Sanders than Clinton.

The more they can do to enable his candidacy, they happier they are.

[tabasco]

53. Shoot the messenger!

We don't want to hear it!

[Javaman]

54. While this is wonderful news...

I want more than one poll showing this.

It will be then and only then that I will lift a brew to Bern.

[Yo_Mama]

73. A broad range of polls is showing Sanders gaining in support. They will vary, of course

But it was only a matter of time, and this is not a bogus poll.

There will be others.

[vdogg]

55. How did I know this was fox or drudge?

[Jack Rabbit]

64. OK, it's a Fox poll. So what?

Many years ago, I reacted to a Fox poll much the same way some people hear are: How can you believe a Fox poll isn't a lot of baloney?

The fact is that Fox polls over the years have delivered bad news to GOP candidates and generally fall in line with other polls. While Hannity and O'Reilly may be bald faced liars posing as journalists, the public opinion gatherers seem to be one part of the operation that works as it should.

There is, however, a valid point made by some residents of Camp Weathervane that the poll is in fact a statistical tie. That's fair enough; it is. As a die hard Sandernista, I feel the Bern more acutely from this poll, I admit, and I was brimming with pride earlier in the week when Bernie came within two points of the corporate Democrat in another poll. However, both of these polls show statistical ties. That's still good news for our cause.

[Kingofalldems]

67. Fox news trolling the USA again.

The minute Bernie is nominated --'make the US like Venezuela' will be spoken every 10 seconds on their network. Then gradually all other networks will do the same. Book it.

Fox news exists to get republicans elected.

Fact.

[Peace Patriot]

72. Many Bernie supporters don't understand the danger to Bernie of the lies told...

...about Hugo Chavez throughout the Corporate Media, from the New York Slimes to Faux News, relentlessly, shamelessly--as bad as the WMDs not in Iraq--from his first election to his death. This IS a good point, but not one for supporting Clinton the primaries. It is something to beware of and to be prepared for.

I can't do it now but later I will do an OP on this subject. The lies were incredible--and, if you are not up on this subject, you will be mindboggled by them.

I'll clue you in on just one: ACCORDING TO JIMMY CARTER, Venezuela's election system is "the best in the world."

[Cryptoad]

70. u must have slept thru stat classes

or u would know that no one poll has any meaning by itself. but if u insist,

this poll release today sings a whole different tune

https://www.scribd.com/doc/299690763/NBCNews-WSJ-February-Poll?secret_password=Mf2CgQ8zDGpLW73pfCoJ

[Gothmog]

71. A Fox News poll???

[billhicks76]

74. And They Said It Couldn't Be Done

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. !!!