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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:33 AM Feb 2016

Study: Flint paid highest rate in U.S. for water

Source: Detroit Free Press

Flint residents paid the highest water rates in America even as their water was tainted with lead, according to a national study released Tuesday by the public interest group Food and Water Watch.

A survey of the 500 largest water systems in the country, conducted last year, found that on average, Flint residents paid about $864 a year for water service, nearly double the national average and about three-and-a-half times as much as Detroiters pay. The figure is based on an annual household consumption of 60,000 gallons.

"It far exceeds what the United Nations designates as affordable for water and sewer service," said Mary Grant, one of the study's authors. The United Nations recommends that water and sewer service shouldn't exceed 3% of a household income. In Flint, the charges totaled about 7%, Grant said. . .

Read more: http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/16/study-flint-paid-highest-rate-us-water/80461288/



But they got all that lead at no extra charge . . .
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Study: Flint paid highest rate in U.S. for water (Original Post) Faygo Kid Feb 2016 OP
Sickeningly and perfectly capitalistic. dchill Feb 2016 #1
That indeed is the capitalistic model -- charge what the traffic will Nay Feb 2016 #16
+1 farleftlib Feb 2016 #21
Everything combined, everything the state did to that community procon Feb 2016 #2
There it is! zentrum Feb 2016 #3
What profit? SpartanDem Feb 2016 #9
You're right... zentrum Feb 2016 #24
Unbelievable. Time for Snyder to be frog-marched out of office. pacalo Feb 2016 #4
How hideous does this story have to get before the residents of Michigan revolt against Snider & Co? NBachers Feb 2016 #5
By the time the new pipes are installed elmac Feb 2016 #6
Who else will pay for it? NobodyHere Feb 2016 #17
Fate for the assholes responsible... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #7
The screen would need to be removed. Akicita Feb 2016 #13
Is that per person lancer78 Feb 2016 #8
How much was Flint marking up it's water? SpartanDem Feb 2016 #10
Good grief! Interesting water cost chart. mwooldri Feb 2016 #11
Notice public vs. private? KansDem Feb 2016 #15
I like the statement about the maintenance... freebrew Feb 2016 #23
It makes sense if they were charging for the water by the pound. Akicita Feb 2016 #12
HA! good one. eom Ligyron Feb 2016 #18
This is unconscionable, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #14
It makes me realize how much I take my water for granted. Vinca Feb 2016 #19
holy cow LittleGirl Feb 2016 #20
Disaster Capitalism meets White Racism!!!! wolfie001 Feb 2016 #22
It's criminal. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2016 #25
WHAT? You think all that extra fortifying iron comes cheap ? n/t CincyDem Feb 2016 #26

Nay

(12,051 posts)
16. That indeed is the capitalistic model -- charge what the traffic will
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:10 AM
Feb 2016

bear for the crappiest acceptable product. And when the product is revealed to actually be unacceptable (poison), why, then have taxpayers fix things. Of course, Flint also mixes in libertarian aims like privatizing everything, which means they have to break the govt systems in place. They deliberately 'broke' the water system, which simultaneously opened it up to privatization AND poisoned the residents, whom TPTB hold in contempt because they are mainly black and poor.

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Everything combined, everything the state did to that community
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

was designed to make the living conditions so intolerable that the residents would eventually move out. Then the government could take over the properties as either being abandoned, unsafe or through eminent domain proceedings and resell to their cronies and commercial developers to build new homes and businesses that attract more affluent residents.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
3. There it is!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

Destroy an African American majority population for profit. It wasn't to save money. It was to make money!

Pure criminality. There need to be indictments.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. You're right...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

…I got to my conclusion along the wrong road. On the other hand, it's Republicans we're dealing with. Here's an article from the great Michael Moore on Huffpo called Ten Things They Won't Tell You About the Flint Water Tragedy.


It's well worth a read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/10-things-about-flint-water-tragedy_b_9132150.html


The Wife of the Governor's Chief of Staff Is a Spokeswoman for Nestle, Michigan's Largest Owner of Private Water Reserves.


As Deep Throat told Woodward and Bernstein: "Follow the money." Snyder's chief of staff throughout the two years of Flint's poisoning, Dennis Muchmore, was intimately involved in all the decisions regarding Flint. His wife is Deb Muchmore, who just happens to be the spokesperson in Michigan for the Nestle Company -- the largest owner of private water sources in the State of Michigan.

Nestle has been repeatedly sued in northern Michigan for the 200 gallons of fresh water per minute it sucks from out of the ground and bottles for sale as their Ice Mountain brand of bottled spring water. The Muchmores have a personal interest in seeing to it that Nestles grabs as much of Michigan's clean water was possible -- especially when cities like Flint in the future are going to need that Ice Mountain.


This Was Done, Like So Many Things These Days, So the Rich Could Get a Big Tax Break.


When Governor Snyder took office in 2011, one of the first things he did was to get a multi-billion dollar tax break passed by the Republican legislature for the wealthy and for corporations. But with less tax revenues, that meant he had to start cutting costs.

So, many things -- schools, pensions, welfare, safe drinking water -- were slashed. Then he invoked an executive privilege to take over cities (all of them majority black) by firing the mayors and city councils whom the local people had elected, and installing his cronies to act as "dictators" over these cities.

Their mission? Cut services to save money so he could give the rich even more breaks. That's where the idea of switching Flint to river water came from. To save $15 million! It was easy. Suspend democracy. Cut taxes for the rich. Make the poor drink toxic river water. And everybody's happy.

NBachers

(17,149 posts)
5. How hideous does this story have to get before the residents of Michigan revolt against Snider & Co?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:12 AM
Feb 2016

As an ex- Kalamazoo resident, I'm afraid I wouldn't recognize my state if I ever went back.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
6. By the time the new pipes are installed
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:42 AM
Feb 2016

and the lawsuits are settled I bet the price tag will be over a billion, I also bet the fascists will find a way for MI tax payers & pensioners to pay for it. One more bet, no one will go to jail.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
10. How much was Flint marking up it's water?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:22 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Detroit is the wholesaler, it maintains the water and sewage treatment plants, main transmission lines. It charges communities based variety factors distances and elevation from treatment plants, usage patterns, etc to local lines. Cities like Flint then markup those cost to cover their local system maintenance. And those markups can vary widely and it's caused more one controversy over what the city charges vs the local markup. Westland, Canton, Livonia, Clinton Twp, Warren, and Sterling Hgts are all other communties on the Detroit system.


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mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
11. Good grief! Interesting water cost chart.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:42 AM
Feb 2016

I thought water bills were expensive back home, with an average UK water bill of about $550 (no muni water... all private). And to think that Flint is a muni system too.... what the f... went wrong?

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
23. I like the statement about the maintenance...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

"Cities like Flint then markup those cost to cover their local system maintenance"
Wonder who runs the maintenance dept? As I hear one reason for the problems was the old decaying water pipes.

Where did all that $$ go and why isn't anyone in prison for this shit?

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
12. It makes sense if they were charging for the water by the pound.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:54 AM
Feb 2016

Flint water was much heavier because of all the lead in it.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
14. This is unconscionable,
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:32 AM
Feb 2016

especially if just for water, not including sewer. Our water bill here is about $550 a year, close to $960 with sewer, but our water is great and a flat rate, so I don't mind paying for it. It's extraordinarily unfair to charge this amount to Flint residents when their water isn't even usable.

Vinca

(50,310 posts)
19. It makes me realize how much I take my water for granted.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:48 AM
Feb 2016

We drilled the well, the water is pure and there's an endless supply. I had no idea people were being gouged like that for a basic human need. The fact it was tainted makes it worse, but once it's safe to drink the cost of the stuff needs to be addressed.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
20. holy cow
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

that's almost as much as we paid in Tucson for water and we had a pool at that house. BUT, it wasn't tainted with poisonous lead.

wolfie001

(2,270 posts)
22. Disaster Capitalism meets White Racism!!!!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:47 AM
Feb 2016

Over and fucking over again!!!! This shit needs to stop NOW!!!

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