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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:32 PM Feb 2016

Over 1,000 Clinton Documents Released, Including 84 New Classified Emails

Source: NPR

Over 1,000 Clinton Documents Released, Including 84 New Classified Emails
February 13, 2016·8:11 PM ET
Jessica Taylor - Square 2015

The latest batch of Hillary Clinton's emails from her time at the State Department includes 84 additional classified documents.

The new emails from her controversial private server, which were retroactively classified since she left office, include 81 which had been upgraded to confidential status and three to secret status. (Classified parts were redacted.)

The Saturday release included 1,012 new pages and 551 additional documents, bringing the total released to 45,830 pages, according to a State Department official. The total means nearly 1,700 emails on Clinton's server have been retroactively classified.

The court-ordered release by the State Department is behind the initial end of January deadline. As a result, more of the Democratic presidential candidate's emails will be released throughout this month, with the final batch coming out on February 29th — the day before Super Tuesday, where 15 states will cast primary or caucus ballots.


Read more: http://www.npr.org/2016/02/13/466686230/over-1-000-clinton-documents-released-including-84-new-classified-emails

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Over 1,000 Clinton Documents Released, Including 84 New Classified Emails (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2016 OP
So... kryptoniandawn Feb 2016 #1
it gets sticky Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #4
What if Hillary sent classified info to Huma or Sullivan Yupster Feb 2016 #13
well there are published guides Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #16
So the question is did they follow those guides Yupster Feb 2016 #20
does not matter where it originates or Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #21
Did she send or just received the retro e-mails? alfredo Feb 2016 #26
not sure but if recieved it is called spillage Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #29
But if it wasn't classified when sent, and she deleted it, then what? alfredo Feb 2016 #30
nothing if indeed it was not classified Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #35
She did wipe her hard drive. Of course she was criticised for that. alfredo Feb 2016 #40
she tried to wipe the server, but the FBI Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #42
the classified designation is based on the content.. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24
Things have been classified even after it hit the New York Times. alfredo Feb 2016 #44
i wouldn't imagine so. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #45
Reported first on foreign press, then the NYT. This was during the GWB regime. alfredo Feb 2016 #46
do unsecured emails pose a concern to you? restorefreedom Feb 2016 #47
Yes they do. But why should she secure e-mails that weren't classified. alfredo Feb 2016 #48
she is well,aware of what is sensitive info restorefreedom Feb 2016 #62
After working in Intel, I realized that Catch 22 was a documentary. alfredo Feb 2016 #66
i am going to go out on a limb here and say you were probably not restorefreedom Feb 2016 #67
NO, they don't bother me at all. napi21 Feb 2016 #52
well, if its crap, the fbi investigation will yield squat. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #63
Any time the government discovers an unclassified document that contains classified information, Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #27
Sometimes things are classified to spare an entity from embarrassment. alfredo Feb 2016 #32
not speaking to motivation, only process. Too many are making mystery of a clear process. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #34
Why aren't they going after past Sec of State's that had their own personal e-mail accounts? alfredo Feb 2016 #39
I guess... because, republicons. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #41
They would never play politics with national security would they? alfredo Feb 2016 #43
Some of them were classified (confidential) on origination. At least a few Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #65
Retroactively classified. Not new. More smear crap from Grassley leftofcool Feb 2016 #2
it may have been classified at the time Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #5
Whose fault was that? alfredo Feb 2016 #49
whoever wrote the email Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #57
The emails included information that was classified at the time they were sent. eomer Feb 2016 #19
Apparently she instructed an aide to strip the classified tag from a document at least once dorkzilla Feb 2016 #53
Grassley has no say over what is classified and what isn't. It's an executive branch decision and 24601 Feb 2016 #59
here's my take: ericson00 Feb 2016 #3
She's not hiding anything. erlewyne Feb 2016 #6
.... 840high Feb 2016 #9
Bo-ring bluestateguy Feb 2016 #7
You think Republicans will find it boring? 840high Feb 2016 #10
Seems Sanders fans do not find it boring either riversedge Feb 2016 #33
Nice evasion to my question. 840high Feb 2016 #36
Move ALONG!!! Theres nothing to see here. Again. 7962 Feb 2016 #8
Hillary supporters can poo poo it all they want. Bernin Feb 2016 #11
Well, it's done them so much good so far. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #12
Oh, Clinton will be impeached the day she takes office. joshcryer Feb 2016 #15
Articles of impeachment will be filed as soon after Clinton taking the oath if she gets that far. Ikonoklast Feb 2016 #28
Drip...drip...drip... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #14
Even if this stuff was retroactively classified, the GOP will insist that as SOS Vinca Feb 2016 #17
Shows incredibly poor judgment, at best. Concealing potentially damaging information. Ikonoklast Feb 2016 #31
Yes! +1 Duval Feb 2016 #60
As Bernie said madokie Feb 2016 #18
Scary part? This "witch hunt" is being conducted by Obama's Justice Department and Akicita Feb 2016 #22
I've heard Repubs want to call in lovuian Feb 2016 #23
If the FBI recommends charges and Lynch refuses to indict, the Akicita Feb 2016 #25
Rest assured if that 840high Feb 2016 #38
Agreed. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. President Obama's legacy would Akicita Feb 2016 #50
The FBI reports to the Attorney General - Lynch. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #64
Cute double standard Depaysement Feb 2016 #37
Part of her job was to protect sensitive information. Especially since she was using an unsecured Akicita Feb 2016 #51
That's NOT her "job" Depaysement Feb 2016 #55
It is the job of every single person who handles classified information to see that that information Akicita Feb 2016 #56
unfortunately it is Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #58
I blame Hillary for using poor judgment azmom Feb 2016 #54
Saturday night data dump Angel Martin Feb 2016 #61
the judge mandated the date karynnj Feb 2016 #68
And still no smoking gun. DCBob Feb 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #70
 

kryptoniandawn

(33 posts)
1. So...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

So is it still the case that none of her emails her classified prior to the email scandal? I'm very unclear on this point. If they are using partisan BS to retroactively classify them all, that's childish and ineffectual. But if they were always classified, then she's got a lot to answer for.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
4. it gets sticky
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

But if you knew it was likely classified, that is still a problem. I deal with classified info and it is in every brief.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
13. What if Hillary sent classified info to Huma or Sullivan
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:12 AM
Feb 2016

Of course it would be classified retroactively. How could it have been classified ahead of time? Who would even know it was sent except for those two.

To me it seems that would be a clear legal vulnerability.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
16. well there are published guides
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

On what type of information is classified and the level of classification. People granted clearance are expected to know the contents of these and follow them. That information should only be shared via the classified networks.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
20. So the question is did they follow those guides
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

So why do they keep saying it wasn't classified at the time?

Some of it couldn't have been classified since it was just between their group and the rest they need to know.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
21. does not matter where it originates or
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

Who gets it. It is possible it was classified when generated but not properly marked and safeguarded .

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
29. not sure but if recieved it is called spillage
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

And there are clear procedures for isolating and reporting. Failure to do so is a serious issue. We had one where someone scanned and sent email to several people. Copier/scanner pulled of the network and hard drive confiscated. All recipients computers removed from net and hard drives confiscated. I am sure more happened on the print server and mail servers. Serious business.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
35. nothing if indeed it was not classified
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

If it met the classification and just not properly marked it very well could be an issue as it is up to the person receiving to safeguard, isolate and report to the security officer

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
42. she tried to wipe the server, but the FBI
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

Was able to recover it. However if classified spillage is found to have happened, it is not her job to do anything except turn it over to the network and security personnel.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. the classified designation is based on the content..
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

it doesn't matter how it was or was not marked

content determines markings, markings do not determine content. which is why she keeps saying "i never sent anything MARKED classified." she never says "i never sent anything AT ALL that was classified." she knows the difference and is trying to doublespeak and hoping we are not paying attention.

at least that is how a lawyer on tv explained it

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
44. Things have been classified even after it hit the New York Times.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

Could Grassley go after her if she possessed that issue of the NYT?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
45. i wouldn't imagine so.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:38 PM
Feb 2016

but there is a difference with something that was given(i hope we are talking released and not leaked) and things that were under the control of her office.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
46. Reported first on foreign press, then the NYT. This was during the GWB regime.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think she has released any classified info.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
47. do unsecured emails pose a concern to you?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

there are two issues..

whether classified info was given intentionally to someone who should not have it. no one is claiming she did that.

whether classified info was not cared for or protected properly enabling someone who should not have access to have access. that is the problem here.

obviously intent would make things worse and raise the stakes to espionage. no one is accusing her of that. but if sloppy servers and bad handling let things out, that is bad and may be criminal.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
48. Yes they do. But why should she secure e-mails that weren't classified.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

Did she have her server and personal PC wiped? Is that the proper course of action if there could be classified info present?

I remember the 68 Chicago riots became classified, all mention was censored, even magazines mentioning them was confiscated.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
66. After working in Intel, I realized that Catch 22 was a documentary.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

Out of the blue, they told us that TTY feeds of the AP and UPI were on a need to know basis, and we didn't have the need to know. That was our only uncensored news outlet outside of shortwave. That was over classification. The only reason could have been that what came across those feeds were not the "official story."

I am not going to buy the Republican spin on Hillary. They have been trying to nail her ass to the floor since the early nineties. If it appears that Sanders is going to win, they will try the same guilt by innuendo tactics they used against all Democrats.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
67. i am going to go out on a limb here and say you were probably not
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

the head intel person in your organization. no offense intended, i just mean to suggest that only a few people have the kind of high position as the sos. if you did, then you know how important all of this is. if we can't count on the top person to take every precaution to be able to identify and protect sensitive info, how can we fairly expect such abilities of lower ranked positions?

no doubt the republicans are having a field day, but their glee about the situation does not by itself remove the possibility that there were some serious issues and possible breaches, some perhaps even criminal.

we will just have to see how it all shakes out when the fbi is finished.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
52. NO, they don't bother me at all.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

First, I believe all the emails in question were classified retroactively. The FBI has said as much. Second, NO ONE, even the PUBS have cited any damage of any kind to anyone, or any department, and this all happened...HOW MANY YEARS AGO? You really cant say, or we don't know yet!

This is a bunch of political crap IMO.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
63. well, if its crap, the fbi investigation will yield squat.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

if its something, we will all find out soon enough

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
27. Any time the government discovers an unclassified document that contains classified information,
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

that unclassified document is immediately given the proper secrecy classification appropriate to the information contained therein. That is what is going on. There is nothing childish or ineffectual here, except for misdirection and misinformation.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
32. Sometimes things are classified to spare an entity from embarrassment.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

It has nothing to do with national security.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
65. Some of them were classified (confidential) on origination. At least a few
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:20 PM
Feb 2016

seem to have always been classified.

It is the information, not the particular document, which is classified.

There is one email from Hillary instructing a subordinate to remove the header from a classified doc and to send it to her unclassified.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
19. The emails included information that was classified at the time they were sent.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016

Now the emails are being marked as classified. But information sent in them was classified at the time they were sent, which is what matters.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
53. Apparently she instructed an aide to strip the classified tag from a document at least once
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016
In one email exchange dated June 2011, Clinton instructed her top policy advisor Jacob Sullivan to send her talking points — which were scheduled to be forwarded over the State Department's secured network — over a non-secure fax line. Sullivan reported a problem with the State Department's secure transmission system, so Clinton told him to wipe off any "identifying heading" and send it over using a regular fax line.


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160112/06423633305/latest-email-dump-shows-hillary-clinton-telling-aide-to-send-classified-documents-over-unsecure-fax-line.shtml

Anyone but Hillary would be in jail for this.

Also I WISH people would stop saying "well Colin Powell and Condi Rice did it, too" because, as I've said time and again - WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.

24601

(3,962 posts)
59. Grassley has no say over what is classified and what isn't. It's an executive branch decision and
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

classification authorities are delegated by the President.

Why would the Obama admin be smearing her when it's far more likely that they would be trying to soft-pedal it in order to portray the administration as not that bad?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. Move ALONG!!! Theres nothing to see here. Again.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

Look at some of the info that was released the other day. if you dont think she/they knew that info was sensitive, then you're just refusing to admit reality.
But nothing will happen to hillary; one of her underlings will take the fall. Maybe even Huma

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
11. Hillary supporters can poo poo it all they want.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

And the Democratic debates can ignore it all they want.

The Republicans are not going to play ignore the elephant in the room on this.

This candidate is destroying any chance we have in 2016!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. Articles of impeachment will be filed as soon after Clinton taking the oath if she gets that far.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is quickly becoming unelectable, and superdelegates are taking notice.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
14. Drip...drip...drip...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:15 AM
Feb 2016

Not properly storing classified material (whether labeled properly or not) on a secure system is a blatant violation of US law and protocol...criminal referral coming for HRC and her Huma...

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
17. Even if this stuff was retroactively classified, the GOP will insist that as SOS
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

she should have known things are retroactively classified and not kept a hackable server in her home. It doesn't matter if other SOSs have done the same thing . . . they aren't running for POTUS. Quite frankly, she should have known better. She should have known she was serving smear on a platter up to the GOP if she ran in the future. I imagine the entire decision about the server was intended to maintain her privacy in case she decided to run for office again. What a monumental backfire. Now that the Supreme Court is immediately on the line and it does look as if she'll end up the nominee, I'm seriously pissed off.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Shows incredibly poor judgment, at best. Concealing potentially damaging information.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Willfully avoiding oversight, at worst.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
18. As Bernie said
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:45 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sick of hearing about her emails.

This is a republiCON witch hunt and has been from day one. The pukes are afraid of her simple as that.
The thing that worries me about Hillary is the 'CONs will continue to hound her as they did bill if she was to win the Presidency. If I had a magic wand I'd wave all this shit away and let us have a campaign based on facts and issues and this is coming from a staunch Bernie supporter.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
22. Scary part? This "witch hunt" is being conducted by Obama's Justice Department and
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:57 PM
Feb 2016

an Obama appointed Inspector General. Not Repubs. She cannot use the partisan witch hunt excuse, as you did, because her own party is doing the investigating.

I'll bet when O.J. was on his long, slow, police chase he was thinking the same as you. "If I had a magic wand I would sweep all this shit away"

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
23. I've heard Repubs want to call in
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:00 PM
Feb 2016

a Special Prosecutor just because of just that point. If that happens, she is got a long battle before her

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
25. If the FBI recommends charges and Lynch refuses to indict, the
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

Repubs will scream for a special prosecutor.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
38. Rest assured if that
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

happens it won't be just Republicans screaming. There will be public outrage.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
50. Agreed. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. President Obama's legacy would
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

be tarnished by it. As well as the independence of the Justice Dept. The Clintons tarnish everything they touch, including now Albright, Steinem, and Lewis.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
64. The FBI reports to the Attorney General - Lynch.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

I presume that if Lynch doesn't want charges there won't be any.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
37. Cute double standard
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

The Republicans demand transparency about potentially classified emails, most of which are not material, were received by her and weren't marked classified. What was she supposed to do? Hit reply and chastise her staff for sending emails that might be classified someday?

Funny how Dick Cheney identified a CIA case officer - which essentially revealed at least some of her agents worldwide - a heinous intentional crime - without a peep from any Republican. But this gets an investigation.

I'd prefer that a SOS concentrate on the job and not try to play FOIA examiner.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
51. Part of her job was to protect sensitive information. Especially since she was using an unsecured
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

private server. You're damn right she should have chastised her staff if they sent sensitive info to her private unsecured server. That's her job.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
55. That's NOT her "job"
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

And the fact that it isn't her job is exactly the point.

What the hell is "sensitive" information anyway? Her schedule? Please.

Bernie's right. I'm sick of hearing about Hillary's emails.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
56. It is the job of every single person who handles classified information to see that that information
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

is protected. Sensitive information would be information the government would not want exposed to foreign intelligence exploitation.
Since much of the now classified info was sent directly from Hillary's staff to her, it was up to Hilliary and the staff member to determine if the info was sensitive or maybe even classified. If the information was classified it is illegal for the staff member to send it and illegal for Hillary to store it on her private server or forward it. That simple.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
58. unfortunately it is
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

As she had a clearance shad to sign this form.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Form_312

It is everyone's job to secure classified information, even if you have no clearance but a federal offence if you do and fail to follow the agreement.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
54. I blame Hillary for using poor judgment
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

In setting up a private server to do her business. She was SOS for gods sake. Her entire job is of a sensitive nature.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
61. Saturday night data dump
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

if there is nothing wrong here, why is the State Dept releasing this materlal on a weekend evening ?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
69. And still no smoking gun.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

Its a fake scandal that the media and the GOP and the Bernie bunch want to exploit.

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