Catholic bishops not obliged to report clerical child abuse, Vatican says

[bobthedrummer]

Source: Stephanie Kirchgaessner The Guardian

Vatican guide says "not necessarily" bishop's duty to report suspects to police despite Pope Francis's vows to redress Catholic church's legacy of child abuse

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/catholic-bishops-not-obliged-report-clerical-child-abuse-vatican-says

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I'm speechless-this is pure evil

Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460

[katsy]

1. Meet the new boss,,, same as the old. What a disappointment.

[truedelphi]

2. But guess who is paying the cost for the priests' rampant abuse?

Why the elederly nuns, are paying for it! That's who!

They are now seeing much of have seen their ability to have anything like decent health care or decent pensions go POOF!

Much of the financial largesse that the Catholic Church held back in the early 1980's has been absorbed by the tremendous number of priest abuse legal cases. The legal settlements and fees are often quite large, but the very monsignors and bishops who allowed this abuse to continue for decades are not worrying. They will still have their rounds of golf and their fancy cars and their prestigious cathedrals.

Only the elderly nuns will suffer

[jtuck004]

4. I am guessing little boys bent over with dicks in their ass may also. n/t

[mikehiggins]

19. Not that it isn't horrible across the board but lots of young women and girls have been

victimised across the years. It is great that some justice is coming for the boys, and men, but there is still too little attention paid to female victims.

It isn't like they asked to get molested anymore than the boys did.

This is never going to go away. Pope Francis has to clean out this stinking midden or nothing he says can be taken seriously.

[TexasProgresive]

8. Catholic religious orders are autonomous

There funds cannot be used in diocesan legal settlements unless it the perpetrator was a member of the order. The elderly nuns are having financial difficulties because the orders relied upon fresh new members to bring in money. That has dried up. Many orders of nuns are flat broke and have been for years. SO even if their funds could be tapped they mostly don't exist.

[truedelphi]

11. That is a good point, but if they were facing hard times AND the Church still had its vast

Monetary resources intact, the various orders could be bailed out.

[jtuck004]

3. Part of how I learned not to trust Christians,especially the ones I grew up around.

Delusional, hypocrites and liars, all I have ever met save 1, so far.

[TexasProgresive]

5. They are mandatory reporters in Texas

Along with every other kind of minister or counselor. This is civil law and not ecclesiastical law. This may be for all 50 states.

[nichomachus]

13. Yes, except every bishop swears an oath of allegiance to the pope

Who is the head ot a foreign government and, as we've seen in the Kim Davis case, religious outlaws see their religious oaths as prior to and more important than their civic obligations.

[TexasProgresive]

21. That's really not true but if you want to believe it, fine.

[TipTok]

28. Listen to ol' Ted...

“I’m a Christian first, American second, conservative third and Republican fourth...I’ll tell ya, there are a whole lot of people in this country that feel exactly the same way.”

He is stating out loud where his priorities and loyalties are...

[TexasProgresive]

30. What does Carnival have to do with Catholic bishops?

He's not Catholic and is of a tight assed evilgelical sect.

[TipTok]

31. Sky daddy is sky daddy...

Particular variant doesn't matter...

[mikehiggins]

6. Somebody is going to have to go under the Papal bus, and soon

The Church wants feedback? Send a note or an email or a written letter to Pope Francis and tell him that this cannot stand.

If the men (and they're still all men) at the top take this attitude what protection do kids have?

Hint: the answer is none.

[gregcrawford]

7. Wait just a minute!

Do these assholes actually believe that their edicts supersede the laws of a nation?

FUCK YOU!





BTW, I'm not prejudiced; I despise all religions equally.

[bobthedrummer]

9. Bishop Accountability link

Bishop Accountability
http://bishopaccountability.org

[truedelphi]

14. Just reading one section of the above mentioned website is sickening.

Example: Joliet, Illinois and Father Burnett

Diocese of Joliet -The David Rudofski Child Protection Archive


(TrueDelphi's edit: The following information comes to the public due to priest victim
David Rudofski, who deserves being lauded for outing the abuse of the priests and the complicity of officials within the Holy Mother Church)


A large selection of Joliet diocesan files regarding the sexual abuse of children by priests, and the mishandling of those crimes by the diocese, was released by abuse survivor David Rudofski and his advocates on April 30, 2014. The release was the latest step in a dramatic story that dates back to the early days of the diocese, which was erected in 1948 from the Chicago archdiocese and the dioceses of Peoria and Rockford.

The documents, which are provided in their entirety below in optimized, easy-to-download form, have much to tell us about the horrifying details of individual cases and the methods used by the Catholic hierarchy to protect the priests involved while containing the information about their crimes. Rudofski’s struggle to make the documents public highlights the foundational role played by survivors in the somewhat greater accountability we see today, and makes clear what is driving that accountability. The document release also sheds light on the generally still poor state of accountability post-Dallas, owing to the weaknesses of the Norms as revised by the Vatican and the failure to implement the aspirational language of the Charter. The Rudofski Archive argues for an increased commitment by the bishops to list their accused and make public the voluminous files that the dioceses and religious orders hold.

David Rudofski was sexually assaulted by the Rev. James Burnett at his First Confession in 1982 at St. Mary’s church in Mokena, Illinois. His molestation was a crime, and because it was perpetrated during confession, it was one of the gravest offenses a priest can commit under the Catholic church’s own Code. Yet the file demonstrates the way in which a priest such as Burnett, who is accused by three persons, two of whom were abused in the confessional, can be effectively shielded by the framework established by the U.S. bishops in Dallas in 2002. What the bishops did not anticipate in Dallas was that the survivors of clergy abuse would take the bishops’ commitment to transparency and responsibility much more seriously than the bishops themselves.

Rudofski refused to settle with the Diocese of Joliet without the release of the files for all the accused priests whose cases were mishandled during the same time that Burnett was abusing Rudofski and Dan Shanahan (the survivor who first went public about Burnett's abuse). Rudofski was supported by his attorney Terrence Johnson, more at link mentioned in post by Bob TheDrummer
Bishop Accountability

http://bishopaccountability.org


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[Dont call me Shirley]

10. Pedophiles always protecting pedophiles.

[keithbvadu2]

22. Decades and centuries of protecting pedophiles.

Two choices::::

1. Protect the children

2. Protect the Church

The children lose.

Just move the pedophile priests around to 'prey' on new children.

[Dont call me Shirley]

23. And protecting rapist-murderer priests...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440598/Former-Catholic-priest-arrested-1960-murder-beauty-queen-body-face-canal-five-days-heard-confession.html

"A former Catholic priest who is now an 83-year-old married grandfather has been charged with murdering a 25-year-old beauty queen in 1960 after hearing her confession.
Irene Garza, a second grade teacher once crowned Miss South Texas, was last seen alive heading to the Sacred Heart Catholic Church in McAllen, Texas, to see John Feit, then 27, the day before Easter, almost 56 years ago."

[malletgirl02]

36. Henry II and Thomas Beckett

This was the issue where King Henry II clashed with the Church which led to the murder of Arch Bishop Thomas Beckett. Even a king found had trouble dealing with the church. I hope today's authorities can handle the church better and protect kids.

[seaotter]

12. Maybe in the view of the Vatican, but many states have mandatory reporting laws.

This is a cse where they need to "render unto Ceasar...."

[jtuck004]

15. If they murder, do you hush that up too? Monsters in robes...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/us/texas-old-murder-case-priest-beauty-queen/index.html

A former Catholic priest faces a first-degree murder charge for allegedly killing a onetime beauty queen who was last seen alive the night he heard her confession.

John Feit, 83, had long been the main suspect in the 1960 death of schoolteacher Irene Garza, but he wasn't arrested until Tuesday in Scottsdale, Arizona.

According to an indictment unsealed Wednesday, a grand jury in Hidalgo County, Texas, decided there was enough evidence to charge that Feit, "with malice aforethought, (caused) the death of Irene Garza by asphyxiation in a manner and means unknown to the grand jury."

Garza was last seen alive the night before Easter 1960, when Feit heard her confession at Sacred Heart Catholic Church in McAllen, Texas. Five days later, searchers found the body of the 25-year-old former Miss South Texas facedown in a canal.

[mgmaggiemg]

16. the catholic church says the words I'm sorry

but they don't mean them.....misogynist socialists

[TeamPooka]

17. The Vatican just creates more Episcopalians every time they do this. nt

[phylny]

38. And some Presbyterians, too

[Angry Dragon]

18. it must be good to be christian

they get a get out of jail free card
when they should get a go to hell card

[Leontius]

20. It is.

[shadowwinds]

24. Your taxpayer dollars and mine are paying for all of this!

When little Bush got in office within a month they started the so-called Faith-Based Initiative program, doling out tons of $$$$$$$ to all these different Christian churches across the this wonderful land. The Catholic Church was reported to have received over $800,000,000 from this program and that was over a few years ago.

When churches get OUR tax money, their "own" money from their members can then be freed up to do whatever they want, like, fight against civil rights for people they designate as sinners. They also use this freed money to settle all these abuse cases that have been coming up. Without all the tax money, these churches would have gone under, which would have been righteous considering their abuse against so many children here and around the world.

Payment to any church is unconstitutional. Sadly, the dummies in our cultural only know of one ammendment, the gun one. (2nd)

SOURCES
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/16/the-yearly-cost-of-religious-tax-exemptions-71000000000/

https://www.au.org/resources/publications/the-faith-based-initiative

[valerief]

25. Cuz the Catholic clergy doesn't want to stop fucking little kids. nt

[3catwoman3]

26. This is completely...

...horrifying.

[bobthedrummer]

27. These are patterns of pure evil extended into ongoing criminal conspiracies 3catwoman3 absolutely

horrifying since so very little has been done to advance some justice to the survivors and their loved ones. A case in point is the cover-up and continuation of what is called the Franklin Credit scandal-in which vulnerable children were raped, abused, experimented on, bought and sold by those that were supposed to protect them, there was murder of investigators, advocates, and other children, there was corruption on a scale that is beyond imagination.

Those that attempt to justify their own bigotry and hypocrisy always get caught by those of us that love the truth-in every level of meaning there is.

Review the thread below and add to it, people.

Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460

[olddots]

29. but they're married to GOD

[yellowcanine]

32. Cardinal Law is still living in a cushy retirement in Rome.

The timing of his move to Rome was very convenient given the ongoing investigation of clergy sex abuse at the time in Boston.

[bobthedrummer]

34. Another useful website link for all people concerned

Phil Saviano-Survivor & Whistleblower
http://www.philsaviano.com

[lunatica]

35. I just watched the movie Spotlight yesterday

AFter seeing it I'm dumbstruck at this.

Obviously the issue is not resolved yet so if anyone thinks this if over they're mistaken. The Church, just like every other deeply entrenched institution is not going to win in the long run.

[bobthedrummer]

37. Vatican riven by internal battle over handling of child abuse claims (Stephanie Kirchgaessner 2016)

Rift comes amid signs that special commission created by Pope Francis to handle issue is being sidelined by senior church officials in Rome
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/16/vatican-riven-by-internal-battle-over-handling-of-child-abuse-claims

[bobthedrummer]

39. Further discussion encouraged n/t

[greymattermom]

40. so priests aren't mandatory reporters?

The church doesn't get to decide this. The law is whatever it is.

[bobthedrummer]

41. This is a group within the Vatican defying just about everyone including the Pope. It's evil. n/t