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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:12 PM Feb 2016

​Hillary Clinton: "What happened in Flint is immoral"

Source: cbsnews.com



By Hannah Fraser-Chanpong CBS News February 7, 2016, 5:04 PM


​Hillary Clinton: "What happened in Flint is immoral"



MANCHESTER, New Hampshire Hillary Clinton called on Congress to approve $200 million in federal aid to fix the damaged water system in Flint, Michigan on Sunday.

"Congress needs to pass that bill immediately," Clinton said, speaking at a church in Flint, and referring to legislation introduced by state legislators. "This is no time for politics as usual."

Clinton said that access to clean water is "not optional."

"This is not merely unacceptable or wrong," she said. "What happened in Flint is immoral."

Clinton traveled to Flint from Manchester on Sunday morning, just two days before the primary election, in an effort to bring attention to the water crisis there. She has been speaking out about Flint for weeks, including at the Democratic debate last month in Charleston, South Carolina. Clinton used her closing statement to draw attention to the contamination problem and to call out state officials.......................



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-what-happened-in-flint-is-immoral/





EDIT To ADD:Hillary Clinton Verified account ?@HillaryClinton 5h5 hours ago

"The children of Flint are just as precious as the children of any other part of America." —Hillary in Flint today






Karen Finney Verified account ?@finneyk 5h5 hours ago

Meeting with the community @HillaryClinton proposing the idea that people of Flint be hired to help do the long term work needed.
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​Hillary Clinton: "What happened in Flint is immoral" (Original Post) riversedge Feb 2016 OP
Pretty sure it will pass HassleCat Feb 2016 #1
She's right but NowSam Feb 2016 #2
Where have you been?? riversedge Feb 2016 #3
I have been taking care of my family NowSam Feb 2016 #5
The better question is where has ANY Presidential candidate been bigdarryl Feb 2016 #39
She's been talking about Flint for a while . . . DeltaLitProf Feb 2016 #7
the thing is mercuryblues Feb 2016 #17
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #19
That's where morality meets Mammon. chapdrum Feb 2016 #25
Catch 22 while an election year for her pandr32 Feb 2016 #38
She was the first candidate to speak BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #8
My mistake. You are correct. She did speak out BUT NowSam Feb 2016 #14
Well, I do appreciate the BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #18
Well we agree it is a tragedy and immoral NowSam Feb 2016 #20
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #21
More BS billhicks76 Feb 2016 #34
I also pretend that if I heard something, it must be because it's the first time it's been mentioned LanternWaste Feb 2016 #44
She's been talking about it longer than any other Pres candidate mcar Feb 2016 #40
Meeting with the community @HillaryClinton proposing the idea that people of Flint be hired to help riversedge Feb 2016 #4
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #6
""What happened in Flint is immoral" " < What happened on Wall Street was and is too. And hurt jtuck004 Feb 2016 #9
Good point. EOM NowSam Feb 2016 #15
She is putting this into the national Limelight? sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #10
Before Rachel it was Erin Brockovich. jillan Feb 2016 #11
The point of EB doing the research was to make it public to those who can effect change. Rachel... Hekate Feb 2016 #33
Immoral? Try "crimes against humanity", Madame Secretary meow2u3 Feb 2016 #12
Is she going to go to Congress & try to lobby them to pass a bill? jillan Feb 2016 #13
"What happened in Flint is immoral" pangaia Feb 2016 #16
.+10 840high Feb 2016 #22
That's an easy "immoral" chapdrum Feb 2016 #26
And NAFTA - which was a major root cause of the problems in Flint. kath Feb 2016 #31
In Photos: Living Without Access to Clean Water on the Navajo Nation Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #23
Was Sen. Sanders involved?? riversedge Feb 2016 #27
He didn't head to MI for a quote today Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #28
You did not answer my question. I will take that as a no. And BTW-Hilllary was invited by the mayor riversedge Feb 2016 #29
Ulterior motive? Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #30
I must have somehow missed NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #41
He is in the hospital ICU Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #42
Thanks much for the links. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #43
Anyone know what is meant here by "fake snow"? earthshine Feb 2016 #36
"What happened in Flint is immoral." chapdrum Feb 2016 #24
Immoral, but not criminal? fbc Feb 2016 #32
Grandstanding DI Freighter Watcher Feb 2016 #37
Madeline Albright? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #35
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Pretty sure it will pass
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

All democrats will vote for it, and probably a good number of Republicans. The smart ones, assuming there are still a few left, will want to put this Republican-made disaster in the rear view mirror as quickly as possible.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
5. I have been taking care of my family
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

and not running for the highest office in the land. Why do you ask?

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
39. The better question is where has ANY Presidential candidate been
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

At least she's been talking about it The other candidates have not been to Flint including Sanders.

DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
7. She's been talking about Flint for a while . . .
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

. . . and it's exceedingly good politics the way she's doing it. See this article that has her talking about the issue at least since Jan. 11:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-flint-strategy

You'd think the Clinton Foundation would be involved in the effort to provide water and filters, but my searches on google haven't uncovered any mention of that.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
17. the thing is
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

if the foundation does help there would be tons of outrage from the Clinton haters. You know...trying to buy the election via the charity. It would be twisted around 20 different ways in an attempt to make her look nefarious.

edited in: look at post 14 for some anti Clinton spin on this

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
25. That's where morality meets Mammon.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016


Right. The money's available, somewhere/somehow - who's going to pony up?

pandr32

(11,586 posts)
38. Catch 22 while an election year for her
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

Still...need is need. Hopefully Congress will approve the funds.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
8. She was the first candidate to speak
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:32 PM
Feb 2016

out in any meaningful fashion. Everyone else is playing catch-up - if they are playing at all. I haven't heard a peep lately from Bernie about this. His major contribution was to say that the governor should resign and that was awhile ago.

In part because of Hillary's speaking out, the mayor of Flint endorsed her candidacy.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
14. My mistake. You are correct. She did speak out BUT
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

Three things:

1. January 11 was already late to speak. No?

2. What good has become for the people from her speaking up? What good will come of it? Seems to me to be pure political posturing. We need policies and regulations in place before these immoral and horrible crimes are committed that protect the people and punish the scoundrels.

3. This thread was specifically about Hillary who chose to go tour the devastation to contrast Bernie's appearance on SNL. This wasn't a Bernie thread. He was correct in saying the Governor should resign. His policies and his entire campaign are meant to highlight, and correct such horrible injustices. He is all about championing these causes.

Sorry. She may be saying the right thing but my perception is that she is part of the broken system that allows things like Flint to happen in the first place - and that is the problem.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
18. Well, I do appreciate the
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
Feb 2016

courtesy in your response.

1. It is never too late to speak out about a wrong. Flint may have been a problem before but it didn't seem to penetrate the national consciousness until recently. The thing is that Flint is symbolic of too many situations in the US that have been ignored simply because the residents were poor or members of minority communities. It is a clear instance of environmental racism and not mere "political posturing" as you put it.

2. If Bernie is all about "championing these causes," why did he simply stop at calling for the governor's resignation? Sure, that was a great reaction, but did not go far enough in the opinion of many. He simply turned back to his stump speech based on economic inequality. Hillary is going to Flint to find out what kinds of actions can be taken NOW - no matter what happens to her in the election. And she WILL follow up to help out however she can - no matter what happens in the election. That is the kind of person she has always been. She has a long record of effective activism, both in the US and abroad.

3. Flint is a city in Michigan. As such, it is under the governance of the state of Michigan. The federal government cannot just step in and do something about what is wrong there without Michigan's say-so. So how is Hillary - who has only ever been in political office in Arkansas, in New York, and in Washington, DC part of the "broken system" that let Flint happen? Bernie is also part of that same broken system and he has been in office in Washington, DC MUCH longer than she ever has. But she is acting and he isn't.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
20. Well we agree it is a tragedy and immoral
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

What is happening to our fellow citizens across this land. Perhaps in the future the welfare of our own people and the conditions they are living in and make that a higher priority than the never ending war machine or enriching the billionaire class.

So good for her for going there and shining a spotlight on the horrors of runaway deregulation, corruption and greed.

Good for us both for our civility.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
34. More BS
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:43 AM
Feb 2016

I heard Bernie address it first. And he FIGHTS for the cause. She just talks about it and panders for votes like a political ambulance chaser. The Bubble is strong with this one.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
44. I also pretend that if I heard something, it must be because it's the first time it's been mentioned
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

"I heard Bernie address it first..."

I also pretend that if I heard something, it must be because it's the first time it's been mentioned. It allows our bias to overwhelm any objective evidence we fail to provide which would support our mere allegation.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
4. Meeting with the community @HillaryClinton proposing the idea that people of Flint be hired to help
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016




Karen Finney Verified account ?@finneyk 5h5 hours ago

Meeting with the community @HillaryClinton proposing the idea that people of Flint be hired to help do the long term work needed.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. ""What happened in Flint is immoral" " < What happened on Wall Street was and is too. And hurt
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

tens of millions more people, killed a few, will hurt many for generations.

If you had said the same thing about the Bank$ters and their actions on Wall Street instead of just taking their money you might not have to be spending so much time figure out how not to lose these days.

Heck. Just maybe, had you given less support to the Bank$ters before this, the people in Flint might not have poison flowing from the faucets in their home.

But we are where we are. They can't drink their own water, you have a nice, fat bank account.




sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
10. She is putting this into the national Limelight?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

What a joke!

Rachel did this by going after it night after night,
until the general media picked it up.

Everybody, who watches news, knew about it.

HRC is just using it as a political football.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
33. The point of EB doing the research was to make it public to those who can effect change. Rachel...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

...picked up the baton and publicized it repeatedly in an effort to reach those with the power to effect change.

"Those with the power to effect change" would be who? Politicians, legislators, that kind of person.

So who among them has picked up the baton? Looks like Hillary.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
26. That's an easy "immoral"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

1) Affects Americans.
2) Apparently done willfully.

Invading a sovereign country and promoting fracking require some mature nuance.



Omaha Steve

(99,649 posts)
23. In Photos: Living Without Access to Clean Water on the Navajo Nation
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

Where was Hillary last August???

By VICE News

August 24, 2015 | 6:00 pm

https://news.vice.com/article/in-photos-living-without-access-to-clean-water-on-the-navajo-nation

More than 10,000 people in the Navajo Nation — which includes parts of New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado — live without regular access to clean drinking water.

Navajo Nation, the largest Native American reservation in the United States, has the highest concentration of water-poor homes in the country. At least 40 percent of the population on the reservation does not have access to clean running water.

The water situation is the result of isolated geography, extreme poverty, and a legacy of Uranium mining on Navajo soil. Thousands of water wells dot the reservation, but most have been marked unsafe to drink after decades of contamination.

VICE News met residents of Smith Lake, New Mexico, where many residents have to choose between infrequent deliveries from the "Water Lady," or risk drinking contaminated water.

it's been 8 years. I wonder if he is old enough to vote?





Handout material from a community teach-in about water sovereignty and water contamination in Navajo Nation.




Darlene Arviso delivers water to over 200 families each month.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
29. You did not answer my question. I will take that as a no. And BTW-Hilllary was invited by the mayor
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

I am glad she is keeping the tragedy in the national spotlight. It will help the kids and families. That is the goal regardless of whatever ulterior motive you make up.

Omaha Steve

(99,649 posts)
30. Ulterior motive?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

I remember Hillary getting a thank you from Michael Moore for mentioning "Flint" in the debate. One of her best comments, of the few she has had.

But who did Michael endorse later?
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. I must have somehow missed
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

Moore's endorsement of Bernie. Glad to hear that he has apparently endorsed Bernie. Is he out campaigning for him as well? Guess I have some Googling to do.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
43. Thanks much for the links.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

Sent Michael's endorsement to Twittersville.

I had read that he was in ICU, and pneumonia is a serious thing, so best wishes for a speedy recovery to Michael Moore from this lowly Bernie supporter.

Thanks again for your post.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
36. Anyone know what is meant here by "fake snow"?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:12 AM
Feb 2016

I live in the mountains in North Carolina. That last major East coast storm? Neighbors and I noticed some weird piles of snow that took way too long to melt.

The community swimming pool (which still has the summer's water) iced over and stayed that way for days after above-freezing temps returned. It's never done that before.

Any thoughts? Would love to read them.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
24. "What happened in Flint is immoral."
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

In our civil discourse, this reflexive response is, more often than not, missing from the many environmental depradations we evidently are permitted to sustain.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
32. Immoral, but not criminal?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

Why should US taxpayers have to put up money for the reckless corruption of the Michigan governor while that governor not only isn't being charged with a crime, but hasn't even been removed from office?

Yeah, I get it, the people of Flint need help and they should receive it. That's not really taking much of stand, is it?

It's more or less the same stand Clinton has on the financial meltdown: "Let's all pitch in and bail them out, but nobody point any fingers"

37. Grandstanding
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

Her outrage would be more believable if she would issue a scathing condemnation of Governor Snyder and call for his arrest and prosecution. But she is so entrenched in the establishment she can't even criticize a Republican, even one who poisoned BABIES!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
35. Madeline Albright?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016

500000 dead Iraqi kids from water born diseases where she said it was worth it. Did Hillary speak out about that? Of course not because she didn't care. It only matters if it aids her manipulations.

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