Multiple people dead in Texas shootout

[groundloop]

Source: CBS News

At least four people died after a shootout in South Texas, and a standoff with police was ongoing, CBS San Antonio affiliate KENS-TV reports.

Fire department officials told the station the standoff was inside a small mobile home park.

Officials told the station that shots have been fired at sheriff's deputies.

Border Patrol agents and the Texas Department of Public Safety were assisting in the standoff, fire officials told the station.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-shootout-multiple-people-dead/

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More people exercising their 2A rights.

[valerief]

1. Thank Jeebus they had their gawd-given guns to protect themselves and their family.

Otherwise, someone could have been hurt!

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Apparently that doesn't work when you aim at Sheriff's deputies!

[cantbeserious]

2. Texas Open Carry - Just Waiting For The First Ok Corral - To Be Captured On Cell Phone

eom

[TeddyR]

6. Please point me to the story or facts

That show open carry caused this. You do know that Texas is one of the last states to allow open carry? Been legal in Vermont since about 1776 or so.

[GGJohn]

7. Well, you and I both know it's because of

GUNZ!!!!

[cantbeserious]

8. Never Suggested That This Story Was About Open Carry - Stating Only That One Is Waiting For It

eom

[Eleanors38]

11. Is that "one" you?

[cantbeserious]

12. Born And Raised In Texas - Distraught - That Such A Great State Has Fallen So - Hoping For Better

eom

[Hangingon]

57. Born and raised in Texas

I have not seen any disruption here from open carry. I personally don't hold with it. Have only seen one instance of open carry since it has been legal. By the way, we are the 45th state to legalize open carry. What has happened in the other 44?

[Judi Lynn]

26. It's just a matter of time. As soon as they figure out how to do it, they will. n/t

[GGJohn]

31. So why hasn't it happened in the other states, which is most of them,

that allow for open carry?

[lark]

49. It happens frequently in FL

with stand your ground laws that allow killing anyone for any reason at any time, as long as you are a adult white male. Totally hate and would like to see abolished both stand your ground and open carry, but think stand your ground laws are more dangerous.

[TeddyR]

61. How many people have been illegally killed

Because of stand your ground laws OR open carry in Florida?

[lark]

64. Don't keep count

but seems to me that I've heard about 5 cases of stand your ground killings starting with Trayvon. Think the recent killing of a woman in a movie theater by an intoxicated gun idiot was from open carry and stand your ground and think that was in my state, but could have been another? I don't read the daily fish wrap or watch msm tv news, only see it when it's posted here or an article in NYT or Daily KOS.

[NickB79]

40. How would open carry suddenly be more dangerous than concealed carry?

Texas has had concealed carry idiots walking the streets for decades now.

[cantbeserious]

44. Texas Swagger, Braggadocio, Testosterone And Crowd Encouragement Could Enable An Old West Shootout

eom

[GGJohn]

45. LOL, you really believe this?

Hasn't happened in the states that allow open carry, which is the majority of states, so why would TX be any different?

[cantbeserious]

46. Native Texan - Yes I Do

eom

[GGJohn]

47. I live in AZ, where our firearm laws are much looser than TX,

and so far, nothing like what you describe has happened, so, again, why would TX be any different?

[cantbeserious]

48. This Citizen Was Born And Raised In Texas - Texas Character And Culture Are Different Than Arizona

eom

[DonP]

53. So, you're saying native Texans are dumber and more violent than people from Arizona?

Can't argue with that I guess.

Since you're a self defined authority and all.

[cantbeserious]

54. Never Said Or Implied Anything Of The Sort

eom

[DonP]

58. "Texas Swagger, Braggadocio, Testosterone And Crowd Encouragement Could Enable An Old West Shootout"

"This Citizen Was Born And Raised In Texas - Texas Character And Culture Are Different Than Arizona"

Gee, sure sound like you believe that Texans are dumber and more violent to me.

But I'll defer to your experience as an expert with violent Texans.

[Hangingon]

59. I am a native Texan.

I don't see that it has caused much trouble. Mostly I see wild (hopeful?) speculation. What you see in this thread. Shopts fired at sheriff's officers and the immediate reaction is knee jerk second amendment comments and then open carry.

[cantbeserious]

60. Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently

eom

[TeddyR]

62. Are there any FACTS

That support your wild speculation?

[cantbeserious]

63. Emotions Drive Shootouts - Not Facts - We Will Have To Let The New Open Carry Law Unfold

Just like "Stand Your Ground" has done.

[marble falls]

3. Welcome to the tip of the iceberg. You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Eleanors38]

13. "You ain't seen nothing yet." A vaudeville emcee's remark to stimulate the "crowd."

[marble falls]

39. The effect of open carry and concealed carry with some "stand your ...

ground" laws, we will get a perfect storm of gun violence soon.

[NickB79]

41. How do you figure? Almost all states have had concealed carry for a decade or more

Many for far longer than that. Same goes for stand your ground laws: many states have had such laws on the books for decades.

At the same time, the number of gun homicides is currently at the same level per capita as the late 1960's/early 1970's. It's half what it was in the early 1990's, the peak of gun homicide rates in this country.

What would adding open carry, as stupid as it is, do to change all that?

[marble falls]

43. Lets start with your claims:

1. What is "many states"? What are the restrictions, ie: for private security or just any mook off the street?

2. While one on one killings have dropped, multiple homicides have increased dramatically.

3. Open carry (as well as concealed carry) when mixed with stand your ground as instituted since 2000 has contributed to more shootings as evidenced in Florida and Texas in particular.

I used to believe if I wanted an AA gun I should be allowed to have it, I wanted no registration at all.

Now I want an end to non employment concealed carry, I want anyone with a protection order or with active charges of domestic abuse disarmed. I want back ground checks with any previous crimes committed around guns as a prohibiting factor. I want all adults whose weapons end up in the hands of children under 16 arrested and charged, and if convicted - jailed and prohibited from owning ever again. I want gun safety taught just like driver's training.

You want guns, fine, but lets make it harder to abuse and be abused by them.

I own firearms myself.

[NickB79]

50. Alrighty then, lets begin

1: All 50 states have had legal concealed carry since 2013, as Illinois's CCW ban was struck down. Here is a GIF that shows how CCW has spread to all 50 states since 1987: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

2: Since the vast majority of killings have always been one-on-one, the increase in mass shootings has had almost no impact on the overall murder rate in the US. As I said before, the US gun homicide rate has dropped almost 50 percent since 1993, even with the increase in mass murders and an increase in CCW permits and CCW-friendly states: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/05/07/181998015/rate-of-u-s-gun-violence-has-fallen-since-1993-study-says

3: I'd like to see some evidence to support that conclusion. It wouldn't surprise me if it were true, as I'm no fan of open carry, but the correlation doesn't seem to be there at this time. Most states that have open-carry laws also require you have a concealed-carry permit to do so, which means the same yahoos that are open-carrying have likely been concealed carrying for years. Open carry, as stupid as it is, probably doesn't make things any worse than it already was.

I also own firearms. I don't conceal carry, and have no need or desire to do so. I just don't see open carry as a tipping point where all hell breaks loose, seeing as it really changes nothing compared to the previous 20 years or so.

[Eleanors38]

69. "Soon." Like selling futures.

[bluestateguy]

4. I'll wait for the facts before politicizing it

nt

[GGJohn]

5. LOL,

what's the fun in that?

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Can we see some pictures of the gunz?

A little visual viagra would really make this story more.......stimulating

[Eleanors38]

15. Sounds like some folks upstream are already......showing

[840high]

10. You going to get killed if you do this..

Officials told the station that shots have been fired at sheriff's deputies.

[FLPanhandle]

14. Border Patrol involved?

Maybe be some illegal immigrants don't want to be deported?

[Human101948]

17. Thank you Donald Trump...

Welcome to DU!

[GGJohn]

18. Thank you Donald Trump?

Kind of stretching there aren't you?

[Human101948]

19. Wow! That was quick! You must be on patrol...

Constant vigilance! Situational awareness!

[GGJohn]

22. And you didn't answer the question.

How would this be the fault of Donald Trump?
We don't even know the circumstances of this shooting.

[FLPanhandle]

20. Well, explain the border patrol involvement.

Or don't you have any intelligent explanations beyond insults?

[PersonNumber503602]

25. Would the BP be involved if it was drug smuggling related?

[GGJohn]

32. Yeah, they're involved all the time in the investigation and apprehension of drug smugglers. eom.

[wordpix]

52. yes, BP stops anyone suspected

I've spent considerable time in AZ near the border. The drug smugglers are of concern to locals and there was a case of someone murdering a local rancher who was actually helping Mexicans who crossed the border, leaving out water and so on. This has made locals very wary since they don't know who's crossing for jobs and who is smuggling and carrying weapons.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. It's a county with 26,000 people, 17 to the square mile the town is slightly closer to the border

than to San Antonio which would be the other source of law enforcement back up. This is pure conjecture based on the fact that small towns in rural areas are usually not ready for major crime events and border patrol would be regionally at hand.

[jpak]

34. Been to Uvalde - they have a Full Service Gunz and Likker store there

Very Texan

yup

[truebluegreen]

51. I had to pull over

and take that Exact Same Picture! with the "Drive-Thru" part. I bet many folks do the same.

Dawg Almighty.

[trillion]

55. Woah! Never even thought such a thing would exist.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

56. Uvalde, home of Cactus Jack Garner

Conservative VP under Roosevelt. Garner State Park is named after him. Beautiful place. Famous for saying the Vice Presidency wasn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

[jpak]

65. Yeah - you can use the drive-thru before you do the drive-by

hee haw

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. They were *assisting*, as were the Texas Department of Public Safety

and even the fire department is involved in handling the media. If someone is in a standoff with sheriff's deputies and shooting at them, available armed officers will come to assist.

[63splitwindow]

36. Maybe they were off duty...

lounging around the trailer where they live, drinking mass quantities of beer and were the ones who shot at the deputies. Or, maybe not.

[840high]

38. What?

[jberryhill]

21. Ah, what a proud traditional American headline!

[jpak]

23. Please, please please don't hurt the Holy Gunz!!!11

[Judi Lynn]

37. Have the wemun an childrens git the gunz to safety so the gun grabbers can't git'em. n/t

[Vinca]

24. AKA "just another day in America."

[LannyDeVaney]

27. Welcome Independents ...

plenty of replies to this thread that would NEVER have been seen just a few months ago.

But thanks for confirming my vote.

[MariaThinks]

28. probably with assault rifles

[NickB79]

42. Statistically, probably not

Out of the roughly 11,000 homicides committed with firearms every year in the US, around 250 are due to rifles of all types, like assault rifles and hunting rifles.

Odds are more in favor of handguns or shotguns.

[Teamster Jeff]

30. Trailer Park Shit Tornado

[Kennah]

33. Texas Division of the Bunch Bundy failed. General Cliven will be pissed. n/t

[NickB79]

66. Update: it was a 19-yr old with a shotgun killed his mom and neighbors, then himself

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-say-texas-teen-killed-mom-2-neighbors-then-himself/

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/briefs/article_cabee656-ce38-11e5-9977-7309fc63dbdd.html

It appears most of the arguing that went on in this thread about Texas open-carry laws were moot, at least in this circumstance.

[maxsolomon]

67. Impulsive Familicide - pretty quotidian for America.

Just another unstable, armed young man, another Mass Homicide, no new wrinkles. These things happen. Nothing could have stopped it and nothing will prevent the next one.

Move along.

[LanternWaste]

68. In America, we simply call this "monday."

In America, we simply call this "monday."

Wed and Fri are the banner days when the mass shootings of innocent children are rationalized as simply part of the price we pay for freedom.