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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:47 PM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Resists Releasing Transcripts From Goldman Speeches

Source: New York Times

7:16 PM ET By Katharine Q. Seelye

In response to a question at Thursday night’s debate, Hillary Clinton said she would “look into” the possibility of releasing transcripts of her paid remarks to banking, corporate and financial services companies like Goldman Sachs.

But by Friday morning, it did not appear that much looking was underway.

Joel Benenson, Mrs. Clinton’s pollster, gave little indication at a Wall Street Journal breakfast with reporters that the transcripts would be forthcoming.

“I don’t think voters are interested in the transcripts of her speeches,” he said.

Whether they are made public is up to the Clinton campaign. Speaking contracts typically give the speaker the right to decide whether any material from a particular speech can be shared beyond the room. Goldman Sachs, for one, declined to make an on-the-record statement.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/hillary-clintons-campaign-resists-releasing-transcripts-from-goldman-speeches/?_r=1

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Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Resists Releasing Transcripts From Goldman Speeches (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2016 OP
she loses either way- no trust due to secrecy, or no trust due to what she said to them virtualobserver Feb 2016 #1
Leak It billhicks76 Feb 2016 #23
No trust due to her super pac with them! trillion Feb 2016 #96
Good! As long as she doesn't- it looks to voters like shes hiding something. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #2
It sure does! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #54
It looks like she stands up to being pushed around treestar Feb 2016 #71
yeah right. That is why one is posted here already notadmblnd Feb 2016 #73
Can't have it both ways, if one is posted, that should be good, right? treestar Feb 2016 #77
hahaha notadmblnd Feb 2016 #80
So the secretary is being bullied. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #75
That's a silly assumption treestar Feb 2016 #79
The birther issue is a total nonsequiter. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #89
$675k for 3 speaches. And they usually only pay speakers $40k. trillion Feb 2016 #98
Just alike......if fantasy and reality are equally credible in your opinion Red Mountain Feb 2016 #92
+100000 trillion Feb 2016 #97
Anonymous, pickup on Line One. Anonymous, Line One. KamaAina Feb 2016 #3
let's get on it, Anon! wordpix Feb 2016 #65
Bernie has released his Goldman Sachs speech fbc Feb 2016 #4
lol Jarqui Feb 2016 #8
Perfect. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #10
LOL polly7 Feb 2016 #15
Good one. n/t Little Tich Feb 2016 #20
Just Cut It Out lol billhicks76 Feb 2016 #21
Right on! Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #25
Snort.... pangaia Feb 2016 #30
Hehehe azmom Feb 2016 #31
Fuck yes!!! winterwar Feb 2016 #35
+1 TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #36
LOL! New desktop. LOL! roguevalley Feb 2016 #61
Ok, that made me laugh out loud. myrna minx Feb 2016 #37
I come back to this JackInGreen Feb 2016 #52
+1,000,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #55
LOL, good one randys1 Feb 2016 #76
Seriously... Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #84
Beautiful!!! EL34x4 Feb 2016 #86
True. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #90
. Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2016 #95
Which IS what he basically said when he refused their Super Pac and announced his Secretary of the trillion Feb 2016 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Feb 2016 #5
we need to keep bringing it up Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6
Damn, I was hoping we could calculate the dollar per word value. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #7
She isn't going to release them; it would be suicide because it would prove Bernie is right. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #9
Her laugh mimi85 Feb 2016 #12
oh yeah, same here AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #16
Same here. It sounds callous and contemptuous. That is one of her big problems. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #43
Yep LeFleur1 Feb 2016 #49
Guess what! I'm a woman. In fact, I trained as a singer and am very sensitive to the sound JDPriestly Feb 2016 #50
Hillary needs a good voice coach. It's not about her being a woman, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #51
I agree. She can go with Ted Cruz. His voice is what crisco would sound like if it roguevalley Feb 2016 #62
Crisco??? skypilot Feb 2016 #81
LeFluer1, it would serve her better to NOT just laugh when asked about her Goldman Sachs dealings trillion Feb 2016 #100
Hillary always laughs right before she tells a whopper... nothing funny bout the lies she tells. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #56
It's a cackle. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #85
Except that it is completely different from Romney's situation. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #14
Is it? Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #40
Ah, was that where this had all originated? frylock Feb 2016 #33
Lee Fang with SF's The Intercept AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #59
It would be awkward for her if the media's favorite new game is to pester winter is coming Feb 2016 #58
She has two choices - campaign suicide by releasing the transcript or LiberalElite Feb 2016 #74
Maybe she only has one pandering speech to the financial institutions Jarqui Feb 2016 #11
And, of course, all of the male candidates have been asked to release transcripts of their speeches. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #13
It just isn't right for a woman to make money DURHAM D Feb 2016 #17
225K per hour. nice work if you can get it. roguevalley Feb 2016 #63
Obfuscation Madam Mossfern Feb 2016 #88
Yeah, play the sexist card when you have nothing left. trillion Feb 2016 #101
Hillary supporter posts are becoming indistinguishable from satire fbc Feb 2016 #18
As Bernie supporter posts have been for A LONG TIME. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #19
Totally indistinguishable! NowSam Feb 2016 #47
I'm offended that they keep using the sexism card. trillion Feb 2016 #102
Definitive Sexism. LMFAO billhicks76 Feb 2016 #22
Do you have a certain male candidate speech(s) your interested in? Have the transcripts been Purveyor Feb 2016 #24
Which ones are saying they're going to take on the same banks that pay Press Virginia Feb 2016 #29
I"m rather sure Rmoney would have preferred that a transcript and video of his 47% speech wasn't released myrna minx Feb 2016 #42
I have already said that all the candidates should release all the transcripts or videos of all JDPriestly Feb 2016 #44
Well, the transcript to Bernie's speech to Goldman is posted above. Hoppy Feb 2016 #46
It's sounding just like the demand for the birth certificate treestar Feb 2016 #70
Good. It's her IP and she's under no obligation to give it away. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #26
Yeah, good move. frylock Feb 2016 #34
This recalcitrance by Hillary will haunt her for the rest of the campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #57
Heels!????? You sexist pig! Indepatriot Feb 2016 #64
! frylock Feb 2016 #68
Sad really. This is what the mainstream Democratic Party has come to? jalan48 Feb 2016 #27
Releasing Those Transcripts Will Be Her Romney "Little People" Moment cantbeserious Feb 2016 #28
Dang. This not only has legs, but it's out of the blocks like Usain Bolt! frylock Feb 2016 #32
The AP is covering it also - and getting stonewalled too DebbieCDC Feb 2016 #38
I don't think she's going to have any choice but to release them and release them Purveyor Feb 2016 #39
Goldman Sachs speeches Capnden Feb 2016 #41
I don't expect them to be embarrassing to her, but I do think she should release them. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #45
Exactly, they are innocuous treestar Feb 2016 #72
Hello bigwillq Feb 2016 #78
Here's one from YouTube DUFan Feb 2016 #82
WIKILEAKS JackRiddler Feb 2016 #48
I knew... ReRe Feb 2016 #53
Here DUFan Feb 2016 #87
Here ReRe Feb 2016 #94
Even when she has nothing to hide, she always makes it LOOK like she has something to hide bigworld Feb 2016 #60
I agree - there's probably nothing noteworthy in these speeches, but she makes it myrna minx Feb 2016 #69
again, with Hillary we'll have the battle of billionaires in the general election wordpix Feb 2016 #66
"Release them"? You mean, like with a rag? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #67
It's a no win situation, regardless of what they do. They're boxed in. antigop Feb 2016 #83
Agreed. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #91
This voter is interested. Very interested. WestSeattle2 Feb 2016 #93

treestar

(82,383 posts)
71. It looks like she stands up to being pushed around
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

Which is what this demand is all about. No, it's trying to make her look bad for having made the speeches and acting like there has to be something wrong with them, so we get to see them.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
80. hahaha
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, that will satisfy those who already have trust issues with her.

Releasing one proves she's not hiding anything in the other five.

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
75. So the secretary is being bullied.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

We 99%ers don't deserve to know what she says behind closed doors to the 1%ers in this trickle up economy.

"Trust me, little people, it's all good" is a poor message for a Democratic candidate for president.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
79. That's a silly assumption
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

Why would she be saying things like that in public? No one would need the transcripts for that to get out.

It's just like the birth certificate/Obama. Making the demand as if the person of which the thing is demanded is already somehow tainted and has to respond to the accusers' demands because they are in trouble.

Where are Bernie's speeches then? Every one of them. I demand these be shown, as no doubt Bernie said something stupid somewhere along the way. And all of his writings too, including the one about rape fantasies. Let's have his notes on that.

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
89. The birther issue is a total nonsequiter.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

The Secretary claims that $600K speeches have no impact on policy. So, why was she hired to do them? Why not build a case with Democratic voters that these relationships with finance and banking involve policy discussions that are in the public interest? If she wants to profit personally from her relationships with an industry that helped engineer the global finance crisis then fine. But she should expect the liberal wing of the party to be skeptical. The revolving door from Goldman Sachs, etc. to the Cabinet needs to be closed, or else we "little people" need to know how we benefit from these cozy relationships between banking and government.

Red Mountain

(1,735 posts)
92. Just alike......if fantasy and reality are equally credible in your opinion
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

Or maybe exactly the same.

Obama released his birth certificate, no?

Nothing to hide? Release the transcripts.

Open government is better than closed.

What has Sanders refused to make public?

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
99. Which IS what he basically said when he refused their Super Pac and announced his Secretary of the
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

Treasury would not come from Goldman Sachs. All 12 Candidates of the Republicans took their Super Pacs and Both Hillary and O'malley took them. Bernie stood alone, just like he did when he opposed the Iraq war - loudly and repeatedly.

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
9. She isn't going to release them; it would be suicide because it would prove Bernie is right.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

It's like Romney refusing to release recent tax returns because it would no doubt prove he paid $0 in federal taxes.

It's kind of a Catch 22 for Hillary and really a provocative request from the reporter from The Intercept.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
43. Same here. It sounds callous and contemptuous. That is one of her big problems.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:21 AM
Feb 2016

Her voice otherwise is a lot better than 2008. But her laugh sounds callous and contemptuous. As if she looks down on people and thinks she is better than others. Very strange. It isn't a free, laugh. It is more a laugh at something than a laugh with others. It isn't a shared laugh that brings her closer to others. Something very odd.

LeFleur1

(1,197 posts)
49. Yep
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

Those damn women and their screechy voices, and their laughs! Wouldn't you think they'd know enough to just smile or laugh behind their hands while they are walking three steps behind the men?

AND getting paid to speak!!! What women know enough to speak on anything? We need to demand to see every word she ever said. It's not necessary to see the speeches men made their whole lives...but Hillary? Oh yeah. Let's see all of her speeches.

It sounds as if we may be getting closer to the real issue some on this site have with Hillary.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. Guess what! I'm a woman. In fact, I trained as a singer and am very sensitive to the sound
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:25 AM
Feb 2016

of voices. So it isn't about being a woman or having a woman's voice. It's about having a terrible laugh.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
51. Hillary needs a good voice coach. It's not about her being a woman,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:33 AM
Feb 2016

it's about the way she uses her voice. Some men also have voices that are hard to listen to. She needs to learn how to modulate her voice so it doesn't sound tense and strained - that's largely a matter of breathing, like singers know how to do. Women do have something of a vocal disadvantage because when they are tense their voices are more likely to sound harsh. But it can be controlled. Anybody who intends to do a lot of public speaking ought to get voice coaching.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
100. LeFluer1, it would serve her better to NOT just laugh when asked about her Goldman Sachs dealings
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

in any respect. She should have taken it dead seriously and defended herself. Instead she laughed in the guys face and came off as the 1% laughing at the 99%. I have seen that clip all over liberal websites after I first saw in on DemocracyNow and NPR. This person has it from the Intercept. The point is, that was a bad campaign move and quite honestly used in this context her laugh is grating. Drop the Sexist Card. I'm a woman and fully understand this is about substance and not sexism.

BTW, I watched her after Iowa and she had changed in the last few weeks. She acted like she was the Joker from Batman and went on to do at least 3 interviews where she came off as overtly fake and underhanded. I have seen many criminals do it in politics now - Obama was doing it last year - the underhanded crook smile that he is rid of now - thank goodness. GW ended up with it. Rove and Romney had it and Romney started it by the end of his Presidential run. You may want to find out why your gal Hillary is doing the Joker now. My opinion is the more corrupt they get the more corrupt cartoon character they turn into. I think it's psychological on their part. What the heck will we be watching for New Hampshire with Hillary? Hopefully she'll be back to sane because I am disturbed that she may win and now and is acting like shes so corrupt SHE can't handle it. Hillary needs to come back and the Joker needs to go away. Her Campaign advisers should speak to her on this.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
56. Hillary always laughs right before she tells a whopper... nothing funny bout the lies she tells.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:40 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
40. Is it?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

We have no idea what she said in those speeches.

It may be no different than Romney's 47% comments. We'll likely never know.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
59. Lee Fang with SF's The Intercept
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:04 AM
Feb 2016
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/23/clinton-goldman-sachs-laugh/

He was interviewed on Democracy Now Friday (2/5). Video not up yet, but if you have Roku it's up on the Democracy Now channel. The Clinton rep participating is a trip. It's a must see.

G'night.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
58. It would be awkward for her if the media's favorite new game is to pester
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

about these transcripts and every press availability.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
74. She has two choices - campaign suicide by releasing the transcript or
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

campaign slow death by not releasing it.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
11. Maybe she only has one pandering speech to the financial institutions
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:02 PM
Feb 2016


Could be embarrassing publishing it if it revealed her collecting $250,000 per speech and all she's doing is dropping by for an hour to read the same speech over the teleprompter.

The reality is that she probably can't publish them because they have a 47% type quote in them - something she doesn't want the general public to hear.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
13. And, of course, all of the male candidates have been asked to release transcripts of their speeches.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

No? Whatever could the difference be?

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
17. It just isn't right for a woman to make money
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

from speaking. In fact, women should know that shutting up is the smartest thing for them to do. She had no right.


















 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
101. Yeah, play the sexist card when you have nothing left.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

I'm female and I would want to see the transcripts from anyone who speaks for Goldman Sachs and makes over a quarter of million for each speech. I've read the standard is only 40K.

That said, why don't you tell us what you think she said to them?

Perhaps that she is going to shut them down? Like she said in the last campaign speech I saw her do last week?

I doubt she told them the same thing she is telling us:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blasts-wall-street-but-still-draws-millions-in-contributions/2016/02/04/05e1be00-c9c2-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html


from this article:
"“Anybody who knows me, who thinks they can influence me, name anything they’ve influenced me on. Just name one thing,” Clinton said Wednesday night at a televised CNN forum in New Hampshire. “I’m out here every day saying, ‘I’m going to shut them down; I’m going after them.’?” "

"Through the end of December, donors at hedge funds, banks, insurance companies and other financial services firms had given at least $21.4 million to support Clinton’s 2016 presidential run — more than 10 percent of the $157.8 million contributed to back her bid, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission filings by The Washington Post. "

"In all, donors from Wall Street and other financial services firms have given $44.1 million to support Hillary Clinton’s campaigns and allied super PACs, compared with $39.7 million in backing that former president Bill Clinton received from the industry, according to campaign finance records dating back to 1974 that have been compiled by The Post."

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
102. I'm offended that they keep using the sexism card.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:32 PM
Feb 2016

As a woman, I believe that should be reserved for when there actually is sexism, not for every time you don't like someone questioning your candidate. Asking for the Goldman Sachs transcripts is a very valid request in a campaign that has focus on Wall Street corruption with the presidency.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
24. Do you have a certain male candidate speech(s) your interested in? Have the transcripts been
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

requested and denied?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
29. Which ones are saying they're going to take on the same banks that pay
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

them 250k for a speech?
They aren't being requested because of her genitalia

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
42. I"m rather sure Rmoney would have preferred that a transcript and video of his 47% speech wasn't released
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:10 AM
Feb 2016

in 2012.

Why shouldn't we know what she said to bankers and donors? She's running for President, for crying out loud. I'm baffled by the outrage that citizens should have the right to know that her thoughts were when speaking in front of bankers and donors etc especially when she states the calls them out on their "shenanigans".


We keep hearing that she's the most vetted candidate - so why is this a problem? How can citizens make an educated primary choice when there's speeches that she won't release to the public? It's not national security...so why the outrage?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. I have already said that all the candidates should release all the transcripts or videos of all
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

of their speeches.

Remember how Romney was saying horrible things in a speech at a private catered party that he would never have said to the public at large. The tape of his private speech was played on-line and it really harmed his candidacy. He revealed himself to be the jerk that he really is.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
46. Well, the transcript to Bernie's speech to Goldman is posted above.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

He is male and he posted his. Why can't she post hers?

Ans: Because it contradicts what he says on the campaign trail.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
70. It's sounding just like the demand for the birth certificate
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

Like either side has some duty to help the other side find dirt on them.

Those speeches are no doubt very innocuous.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
57. This recalcitrance by Hillary will haunt her for the rest of the campaign.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:43 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

DebbieCDC

(2,543 posts)
38. The AP is covering it also - and getting stonewalled too
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016
AP's inquiries to the campaign about her appearances before several Wall Street banks went unanswered. Deutsche Bank, which paid Clinton $475,000 for addresses in New York and Washington, declined to comment, as did Goldman Sachs.


[link:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/speeches-that-earned-clinton-millions-remain-a-mystery/ar-BBpbwIH?li=BBnb7Kz|
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
39. I don't think she's going to have any choice but to release them and release them
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

Soon.

If she doesn't release them there must be some pretty damning stuff in her words.

Capnden

(1 post)
41. Goldman Sachs speeches
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

Some of her speeches are on the Goldman Sachs web site. They are all about women in business.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. Exactly, they are innocuous
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:10 AM
Feb 2016

the Bernie supporters make themselves look bad with their implication that there must be something sinister.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
53. I knew...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:02 AM
Feb 2016

... there would be no transcripts the moment the words "look into" left her lips on Thursday night. Definitely her "47%" moment. To hell with the transcripts. I want the films of all of her speeches.

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
60. Even when she has nothing to hide, she always makes it LOOK like she has something to hide
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:17 AM
Feb 2016

Time and time again, this is how she operates. This is her default.

I want to like her but this trait alone is really bothersome.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
69. I agree - there's probably nothing noteworthy in these speeches, but she makes it
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

look like there is by her raise the drawbridge reaction. It's so frustrating.

After all these years in politics, and after claiming to be the most vetted candidate to ever run for President, THIS is where she slams the door to inquiries?

I was so impressed with how tough she was in front of that stupid Benghazi committee. She kept her wits, grace and showed that she has incredible stamina in the face of 11 hours of partisan balderdash. That's the Hillary Clinton I admire.

Conversely, the Hillary Clinton who looks like she has something to hide, when she probably doesn't is maddening.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
66. again, with Hillary we'll have the battle of billionaires in the general election
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:58 AM
Feb 2016

who said what at the Goldman speeches, who got what amount for an appearance, and who gave up what for the $.

The people's issues will be lost if our standard bearer is as close to the banksters as possible, just like the repukes who are billionaires or representing one/some.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
83. It's a no win situation, regardless of what they do. They're boxed in.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

If they don't release them, it looks like they are hiding something.

If they release them, then

1) The transcripts have damaging information -- in which case they are screwed.

or

2) The transcripts reveal that nothing of importance was said -- in which case the question will be asked, "Why the hell did GS pay so much for that?"

They're boxed in.

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