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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:43 PM Feb 2016

Syria peace hopes fade with Russian-backed push for Aleppo

Source: Financial Times

Officially, Syria’s peace talks may be “paused”, but restarting them looks near impossible as Syria’s Russian-backed government forces make rapid advances in the north of the country — leaving vast destruction in their wake.

For months Russia’s military intervention on behalf of President Bashar al-Assad appeared to have little impact. But the gradual destruction of opposition infrastructure and redoubled Russian military efforts are now yielding results. Russian-backed Assad forces are making massive gains near the Turkish border in the north, parts of which have been in opposition hands since 2012. Government forces have also cut strategic supply routes, dividing and isolating the countryside north of Aleppo. The ultimate goal is the city of Aleppo — Syria’s commercial capital and the rebels’ last major stronghold.

There are now at least 3,000 Russian service personnel operating in support of the government in Damascus, including special forces “spetsnaz” troops aiding Hizbollah and Syrian army units on the front lines in co-ordinating roles, according to one European diplomat, citing intelligence reports shared among the anti-Isis coalition.

Moscow also has at least 40 fast jets — a mixture of bombers and multipole fighters — based in Syria — a number that has been steadily increasing in recent weeks. In the last few days of January, as invitations to the Geneva peace talks were being finalised by the UN, Russia bombed more than 40 separate locations using dozens of aircraft in successive sorties and targeting moderate opposition positions, according to the US Institute for the Study of War.

Read more: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0fc18a84-cb22-11e5-a8ef-ea66e967dd44.html



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Syria peace hopes fade with Russian-backed push for Aleppo (Original Post) uhnope Feb 2016 OP
Sounds like great news to me nyabingi Feb 2016 #1
Yep to me too. zeemike Feb 2016 #3
Indeed nyabingi Feb 2016 #12
Russian bombs are the best! PersonNumber503602 Feb 2016 #16
So Assad beseiging towns into starvation is A-OK? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #8
If you believe the lies of the ISIS-supporting Turks nyabingi Feb 2016 #11
Peace before the conclusion of the war isn't going to hold ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #2
there was never hope for peace in syria. it's all a serade so the radicals can rebuild and attack MariaThinks Feb 2016 #4
great news nt independentpiney Feb 2016 #5
Pootie-Tootie is apparently bombing civilians moondust Feb 2016 #6
He and Assad are probably just doing it to be evil killbotfactory Feb 2016 #10
Do you find that acceptable defense when Israel does it in Gaza or wherever? PersonNumber503602 Feb 2016 #15
War will always be this ugly. War is essentially mass-murder. killbotfactory Feb 2016 #17
It would of course be better for Syria if Russia just stopped the bombing. Little Tich Feb 2016 #7
Putin is scum. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #9
Great news! Time to rout ISIS and other terrorists. n/t ozone_man Feb 2016 #13
They aren't bombing ISIS nt karynnj Feb 2016 #19
I wonder how things will be when/if Assad regains control of much of the country PersonNumber503602 Feb 2016 #14
No ISIS in Aleppo, of course. Russia helps Assad without attacking ISIS. No surprise there. pampango Feb 2016 #18
The Russians and Syrian government are attacking their most immediate threats. killbotfactory Feb 2016 #20
Putin's statements when Russa entered the Syrian civil war? pampango Feb 2016 #21

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
1. Sounds like great news to me
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

The US is not going to get the regime change they've been rooting for in Syria.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
12. Indeed
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:58 AM
Feb 2016

They didn't expect anyone to actually intervene in their plans militarily because no one has in the past, going back to the 90's NATO bombing in the Slavic region.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
11. If you believe the lies of the ISIS-supporting Turks
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:56 AM
Feb 2016

then that would obviously be your take on the situation.

Why do you believe anything the Turks have to say when it's been proven that they are directly aiding ISIS and stealing oil from Syria?

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
2. Peace before the conclusion of the war isn't going to hold
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

And the Russians are thorough, if they are anything. They don't want to be like the rest of Europe, flooded with refugees, terrorists and spies. They want military security in Syria, for Syrians, so that people can safely return home, knowing insurrection won't be breaking out the minute they get there.

Just holding peace negotiations without the means of enforcing the peace is silly.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
6. Pootie-Tootie is apparently bombing civilians
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

in Aleppo and elsewhere, in violation of the U.N. Security Council Resolution 2254 which says: The resolution demands that all parties immediately cease any attacks against civilian targets. It may be a war crime.

What a great manly man-god he is to be bombing defenseless noncombatants! Just wowee!

I have a hunch Assad may have been willing to negotiate a ceasefire and political solution back when his forces were losing ground--before Pootie-Tootie intervened to save his buddy and secure his naval base.

This one's for YOU, Pootie-Tootie:

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
10. He and Assad are probably just doing it to be evil
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

And I'm sure it has totally nothing to do with rebel militias operating from civilian areas.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
15. Do you find that acceptable defense when Israel does it in Gaza or wherever?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

How about when similar claims are laid against the US in places like Iraq or Afghanistan?

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
17. War will always be this ugly. War is essentially mass-murder.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

The fact that our government has tried to sanitize the realities of war by showing off precision weapons and smart bombs, and pretending any resulting civilian casualties are a random accident that can be hand-waived away as a fluke, is pretty disgusting to me, honestly.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
7. It would of course be better for Syria if Russia just stopped the bombing.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:59 PM
Feb 2016

But then again, Putin is an enemy of peace, and perhaps even an enemy of Russia too.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
14. I wonder how things will be when/if Assad regains control of much of the country
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

Will there still be a large insurgency fighting in the shadows even after the organized forces pushed underground? If Assad and Russia are too rough, then wouldn't they risk alienating more of the population and turn them insurgents? Then there's the whole thing with the Kurds. Don't the Kurds take control of some areas and are not giving it back to the regime?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
18. No ISIS in Aleppo, of course. Russia helps Assad without attacking ISIS. No surprise there.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

Helping Assad is good for maintaining a naval base in Syria. Have to have priorities.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
20. The Russians and Syrian government are attacking their most immediate threats.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

Why anyone would expect otherwise?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
21. Putin's statements when Russa entered the Syrian civil war?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

At the time it seemed expedient to say their purpose was to defeat ISIS rather than to prop up Assad. Few believed that but it seemed to be the right thing to say at the time.

Defeating ISIS by itself does not guarantee continued Russian access to the naval base. Keeping Assad in power does.

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