Billy Graham's son speaks to Oregon standoff holdouts

[Kennah]

Source: Oregonian

BURNS -- Christian evangelist Franklin Graham joined talks to end the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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Graham's name first came up after the last protesters called for him to act as an intermediary. Graham runs the North Carolina-based evangelical organization named after his father Billy Graham.
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The four occupiers who remain at the refuge have said they became stuck there in the confusion that ensued after the arrests and shooting. They are David Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio, Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada, and Sean Anderson, 48, and his wife, Sandy Anderson, 47, of Riggins, Idaho.

They're insisting on immunity and say they won't leave until they receive it.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_evangelist_fra.html#incart_river_home

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OK, this gives me a bad feeling, yet another one, that these asshats want an "honorable death" or some such bullshit.

[CBGLuthier]

1. He is such an asshole I wish they would just call him by his name and leave his father's out of it.

[jmowreader]

2. His father wasn't any better

[Judi Lynn]

32. Isn't that disgusting? How servile can they be to the lowest scum of our country?

As another posted noted, his father was no great shakes, either.

What a shame our "journalists" are so empty, so limp, so insufficient to the challenge of doing their work professionally.

[bluetexas]

3. I am afraid that they will have to be dragged out.

I have been listening to these four for several days. Their views don't even make any logical sense. They cannot be reasoned with.

[Journeyman]

5. Maybe all the more reason to send an incoherent "faith pusher" in to "reason" with them. . .

They'll talk in circles to each other, neither one making any sense, until finally they decide they've "resolved" their issues and everyone leaves thinking they've each "won."

Once past the gates, a quick face-first takedown into the gravel by the appropriate lawmen and, voila (or amen, given the moment), the ordeal is over.

[ffr]

4. Sorry forgotten four, no deal.

You're going to jail and you're going to pay for the damage you continue to incur. It's like running from the police. You're just making it worse on yourself and I'm going to enjoy watching y'all go down.

David Fry of Blanchester, Ohio
Jeff Banta of Elko, Nevada
Sean Anderson and Sandy Anderson of Riggins, Idaho.

You're fugitives against America.

[atreides1]

16. I wonder

Don't any of these people have jobs? Are they all self employed or independently wealthy?

The simple fact that they can just up and leave their homes...is amazing!

[wolfie001]

18. I'm sure most are milking disability

Lots of that behavior here in western Maryland. Lots of white, middle-aged repuke-voting scam artists. No hard data, just what I see as I go to work everyday.

[7wo7rees]

6. Not Franklin! Oh no!! For F's sake, really!!

What a sad follow up to what might be left of his dear dad's legacy. Hey Frankie, go jump off a bridge!

[Hulk]

7. Gas them out already.

Give them three minutes to come out with their hands up and be under arrest, or gas their asses out and take them as they come out - however they want it.

[tblue37]

39. Don't they have a dog or dogs there? I would hate for a dog to be harmed. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. ahhhh... it's a bird refuge and now the loons are out.

I have expect that Westboro gang to picket Blue Tarp Man's funeral.

[Feeling the Bern]

10. Gordon Lightfoot

[Feeling the Bern]

9. It must suck to go through life only known as Somebody's Son. Billy Graham's Son. . .talk

about the inferiority complex this right wing religious hustler must have.

[mdbl]

11. I still don't know why they haven't just gone in and arrested these dorks

I don't think they will put up much of a fight.

[Nitram]

20. Why arrest them? They are stewing in their own juice.

they will look like losers and fools when they finally come begging to be arrested because they have no electricity, no phone, no hope. Better yet, they may shoot each other in a fit of cabin fever and paranoia.

[jobendorfer]

38. There is an element of time at work here

The refuge buffers a significant amount of water (significant, at least in terms of high desert country).
There is work of an ongoing nature to route that water around to various reservoirs and lakes,
especially as the spring snowmelt begins. Some of that water is delivered in support of fish &
wildlife, some it goes to ranchers, some to farmers.

None of the water management work can be done until the threat posed by the 4 occupiers is gone.

The ironic thing is that their presence on the refuge will, at some point, begin to injure the farmers
and ranchers they claim to support.

John

[handmade34]

12. great

they can all sit around and talk about how much they hate (Obama, Muslims, etc..) oh so Christian...

[Ford_Prefect]

13. Four religious fantasists asking a snake oil salesman to act intermediary.

Franklin is the lowest form of creature and he is a knowing thief and liar. He is not Mormon so I wonder why they want his intercession.

[blackspade]

14. Franklin Graham can fuck off....

Along with these terrorists.
Immunity? Based on what?
More white privilege on display.

[Geronimoe]

15. Here is a clue

Call your or any decent attorney, at this point these guy are facing many years of incarceration or worse.

[keithbvadu2]

17. Franklin (and Billy) say Mormons are not Christians

Franklin (and Billy) say Mormons are not Christians

According to them, Catholics are nto Christians either.

http://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/october-2012/can-an-evangelical-christian-vote-for-a-mormon/

"We need something like what Jerry Falwell did in the 1980s. We need a “moral majority”—made up of Christians, Jews, Mormons, Catholics and many others of faith—to come together to take a stand for our religious freedoms and rights."

[Kennah]

35. Good opportunity for him to call and convert them n/t

[Nitram]

19. Calling on Graham to intercede means they are looking for a way out.

They don't want to die.

[Jim Lane]

31. I agree.

Franklin Graham is totally disrespected on DU, and deservedly so, but this crowd is different. His involvement might provide a face-saving way for them to surrender. If the Refuge is returned to FWS with no more deaths, I'll call that a win, even if it means that Graham gets some of the credit.

[OldRedneck]

21. Franklin Graham is a fraud

Back in his 20's, Franklin Graham was fed up with his father and Jesus, so, he took up a life of women, booze, and coke (NOT Coca-Cola). Then, PRAISETHELORD!!!, from the depths of his depravity, Franklin was "saved by the blood of Jesus Christ!!!"

Actually, what happened, was -- Franklin realized if he cleaned himself up, he would inherit the leadership of his father's multi-million dollar scam, Billy Graham Evangelism.

Here's a personal story. My parents lived in a major Tennessee city. If the Presbyterian church canonized saints, my mother would have been one -- never said a negative word about another person; gave her money, time, and efforts to charities of all kinds; worked day and night for other people; lived by the guidance laid down in the Sermon on the Mount.

She was very active in an organization that sponsored guest preachers coming to her hometown.

About the time she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer (she lived another six months), Franklin Graham and the Graham Traveling Snake Oil Show were invited to her hometown for a week-long "Crusade for Christ." The Graham organization had some demands:
-- Locals had to raise $250,000 -- that's right: ONE-FOURTH OF A MILLION DOLLARS or they won't come
-- On top of that, the Graham's and their entourage must have: top-of-the-line hotel suites; 24/7 limo service; service of their private airplane; very specific foods, bottled water, audio-visual support; and similar rock-star treatment -- ALL AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LOCAL ORGANIZATION.

Normally my mother would have been a lead donor, kicking in $10,000 or so. She was so upset at the financial and support demands, she stepped down from the board of the sponsoring organization and refused to have anything to do with preparations for the Graham circus. In the last month she was alive -- in hospice care -- I fielded a half-a-dozen phone calls a day from Graham reps trying to get her support (that is, trying to get her money) -- the calls ended when I told Franklin's personal secretary where Franklin, Billy, and Franklin's sister Ann Graham Lotz could shove their Bibles.

[dhill926]

27. thanks for this....

wish things like this would get more exposure....grifters, frauds and snake oil salesmen are all these guys are...

[Grins]

28. Yes!

Always surprised so few know about that part of Franklin's early (and secretly current?) life with the booze, women and drugs.

I guess having the Jebus and to run your life doesn't really work. Or was Billy just a shitty absentee parent? If Franklin had more of a dusky hue he'd be in jail.

More: http://rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/2009/06/reverend-uriah-heep.html

[Judi Lynn]

33. Major grifters, aren't they? Shocking, and disgusting. Thanks for shedding some light. n/t

[Mike Nelson]

22. Maybe they need a John Wayne approach...

...come out, pardners, or we're shootin' our way in!

[Ford_Prefect]

26. Somehow I just don't see Franklin Graham in that scene.

He's a terrific coward for one thing. He only walks where others bow down to cover the earth for him.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.

Winston Churchill, in Bartleby's

Or maybe not:

“Jaw to Jaw” versus “Jaw, Jaw”

by Richard Langworth on 14 December 2010

In the following newspaper articles from 27 June 1954, Churchill is quoted as saying “to jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war”: “Churchill urges Patience in Coping with Red Dangers” by W. H. Lawrence, New York Times, p. 1 and “‘Vigilance and Time’ Asked by Churchill by Walter Trohan, Chicago Daily Tribune, p. 1. —M.D., via email.

From my Definitive Wit of Winston Churchill, page 37:

“Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.”

–1954 Commonly misquoted as ‘Jaw, jaw is better than war, war,’ an expression coined four years later by Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, on a visit to Australia.

I verified this from Sir Martin Gilbert who refers his official biography, Volume 8, “Never Despair,” London: Heinemann, 1988:page 1004: “Churchill then told the American legislators…that conferences of this kind were vitally important, that meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.”*

[NCjack]

24. They needed Tiny to bring in some of his women and whiskey. /nt

[Xyzse]

25. That family... They must be one of the worst false prophets in history.

They have created so much damage to their followers, it is ridiculous.

[Monk06]

29. If they think Graham is going to get them off from Federal charges they are mistaken

[olddots]

30. wow they wanted another dildo ?

[StrictlyRockers]

34. No sympathy. Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not collect $200.00. No immunity.

You made your own prison bed, now go lie in it. You have no leverage for negotiation. STFU and GTFO of our land.

[hollowdweller]

36. They will eventually come in there at night

Abduct one or all at the same time and take them out of there.

Those guys are stupid. They've said a lot more shit since they have been in there that they can nail them for.

Some of them could have gone home before, but now they will all face pretty heavy charges.

[Marrah_G]

37. Yeah, not sure the FBi has any desire for grahams involvement

[olddots]

40. who wants cool aide ?

the lost following the lost .