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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:04 AM Jan 2016

Progressives Are Calling On Debbie Wasserman Schultz To Step Down From DNC Chair

Source: Huffington Post



The progressive activist organization CREDO Mobile launched a petition Wednesday evening calling on the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), to resign from her post.

CREDO’s petition capitalizes on yet another moment in which Wasserman Schultz has raised the ire of progressives. Earlier on Wednesday, the DNC chair suggested in a New York Times Magazine interview that there is “a complacency among the generation of young women whose entire lives have been lived after Roe v. Wade was decided.” The comment, which immediately angered reproductive rights activists, was in response to a question about whether she saw “a generational divide” among women when it comes to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign. (Wasserman Schultz’s comment inadvertently implicates her, since she was only 6 years old at the time of the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion nationwide.)

Wasserman Schultz’s comment revived a claim that reproductive justice advocates have refuted previously. After the interview came out, Erin Matson, co-founder of the group Repro Action, encouraged those born after Roe v. Wade was decided and who are active on reproductive justice issues to talk about their work using the hashtag #DearDebbie on Twitter. Hundreds of examples followed. Wasserman Schultz later released a statement saying that her message was meant to convey that she believed "women of every generation -- mine included" needed to speak out for reproductive rights.

"For many in my generation who lived the majority of our lives with the right to make our own health care choices, there wasn’t a sense of urgency after Roe v. Wade settled our right to a safe and legal abortion," Wasserman Schultz clarified. "Since then, opponents worked aggressively to chip away at women’s reproductive freedom and they have awakened a sleeping giant in the millennials leading the fight in defense of the progress we’ve made."




Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resign-dnc_568d86c2e4b0cad15e6335f9

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Progressives Are Calling On Debbie Wasserman Schultz To Step Down From DNC Chair (Original Post) tecelote Jan 2016 OP
Ooooooooh progressives rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #1
I am always interested in what a very infrequent poster finally deems worthy of commenting upon merrily Jan 2016 #4
I post every day rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #11
I stand by my first post on this thread, you've reworded yours. merrily Jan 2016 #14
Agreed Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #16
U r Gud at maths rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #21
Let me guess - could it be LiberalElite Jan 2016 #22
Thread win so far! LOL! merrily Jan 2016 #25
Not at all rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #26
Ahhh.. I stand corrected LiberalElite Jan 2016 #29
Problems on both sides rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #30
Uh huh LiberalElite Jan 2016 #36
This. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #44
I was a supporter of Elizabeth Warren until it became definite that she wasn't running. Then Cal33 Jan 2016 #98
Corrected! LOL! Second thread win. merrily Jan 2016 #33
I had to think about that for a sec - LiberalElite Jan 2016 #35
Kudos on getting it at all. You're really on a roll. merrily Jan 2016 #37
And- get this - LiberalElite Jan 2016 #49
Well, then, go on with your bad self. merrily Jan 2016 #51
Now, this is interesting. chervilant Jan 2016 #66
Sooo ... You noticed that, too? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #91
Did you copy and paste this from another thread. Dawgs Jan 2016 #107
Please quote my words that have anything to do with the first half of your reply. Thanks. merrily Jan 2016 #24
Oh please rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #27
No, they are not. She's done a crap job at 2014 midterm strategy, a crap job at merrily Jan 2016 #32
Mysogynistic??? ejbr Jan 2016 #38
DWS insulted young women. Funny how you ignore CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #45
It's not an insult if it's a real discussion. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #56
DWS lost any credibility when she endorsed Republicans. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #61
Ref post #53. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #67
She was dismissive and one-sided, giving a sound byte/bite. That's not an honest discussion. merrily Jan 2016 #62
Dismissive and one sided is her modus operandi dorkzilla Jan 2016 #69
"And to suggest anti-DWS sentiment is inherently misogynistic is a also one-sided and dismissive." merrily Jan 2016 #94
Oh good. Time for some nice, generational bashing. jeff47 Jan 2016 #95
ROFL, you call it generational bashing.. then prove the point Amimnoch Jan 2016 #97
I never said I would never engage in generational bashing. jeff47 Jan 2016 #101
I disagree. As far as I can see, the anti-DWS views expressed here are based upon the Cal33 Jan 2016 #99
What a ridiculous claim...can you back it up? noiretextatique Jan 2016 #106
"Daily" is a more precise word rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #28
Nope, not for the entire concept. The totality includes being a low count poster. merrily Jan 2016 #31
😘😘😘 rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #59
Keep digging... eom elias49 Jan 2016 #60
Your math lacks practical application. The largest Democratic Caucus in the Congress? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #73
Your post mocked all progressives. Or is it sexist simply to oppose DWS? arcane1 Jan 2016 #105
I shudder to think what you will make of *my* posting frequency. n/t SylviaD Jan 2016 #39
Reply 4 was not about frequency per se. Read the entire post. merrily Jan 2016 #43
I think I'll stick my two cents in. Mbrow Jan 2016 #65
Hello, fellow lurker. SylviaD Jan 2016 #115
many prolific posters post trash regularly restorefreedom Jan 2016 #102
quit making it about the poster treestar Jan 2016 #82
I do find it interesting to note what infrequent posters find worth responding to and why. merrily Jan 2016 #93
How condescending chervilant Jan 2016 #63
And making it about DWS was the back pedal to boot. merrily Jan 2016 #64
I'd say that it's strange to see people mocking progressives on this forum, but sadly, it isn't Chakab Jan 2016 #5
In fairness, many on this forum, including me, have said negative things about merrily Jan 2016 #9
Well I think it's sad rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #12
It is sad, but LINK and context? Because her remarks can be interpreted as misogyny, too. merrily Jan 2016 #15
You sure fling accusations. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #87
People may safely mock the idea that that little group represents progressives in general. nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #13
That is not what Reply 1 did and safety is not an issue. merrily Jan 2016 #18
I think it's strange to see people mocking Democrats murielm99 Jan 2016 #112
What is wrong with progressives? trillion Jan 2016 #8
Stoopid pruhgressofs. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #84
Time to rid my DU of right wing posters Trajan Jan 2016 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #113
Everyone who cares about fairness and the proper role of the DNC should be calling for her ouster, merrily Jan 2016 #2
I will need more information. If what's highlighted in this post is it, I'd have to say as a trillion Jan 2016 #6
There's been quite a lot, though not necessarily about choice. merrily Jan 2016 #7
I don't have a problem with anything she's saying above. trillion Jan 2016 #3
Because? Women who were born after 1970 have faced sexism and troubles around merrily Jan 2016 #17
" The last think women need is a woman in a high position being dismissive. " Agreed. trillion Jan 2016 #19
Thanks for finding my typo. I make quite a few. merrily Jan 2016 #47
DNC Chair (DWS), Fueled By Booze PACs, Blasts Legal Pot Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #10
Thanks! This helps for us who don't know about her. Now i'm off to bed. trillion Jan 2016 #20
Madflordian on DU has documented her Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #23
Establishment Debbie decrying the ignorance of present day activists is so hypocritical. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #34
So.. "progressive" group has issue with woman having opinion on women's issues? Amimnoch Jan 2016 #40
Yes, you've captured this thread honestly and precisely. Good for you! merrily Jan 2016 #48
CREDO has always been committed to women's issues. Chef Eric Jan 2016 #54
Credo didn't even create that petition. See reply #57. nt onehandle Jan 2016 #58
Here is the link to the CREDO petition: Chef Eric Jan 2016 #41
Just because your favorite candidate was not ... Tortmaster Jan 2016 #42
but.. but...butt.. this is surely just about what DWS said, Amimnoch Jan 2016 #52
Is DWS a candidate? No. Are you suggesting that one candidate is Debbie's choice and thus to Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #74
Her endorsing Republicans should have gotten her fired CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #46
Now there, at least is a real issue Amimnoch Jan 2016 #53
She's horrible. PeteSelman Jan 2016 #50
She will not step down, quit her position at this point in our election process. Shes no quitter! Sunlei Jan 2016 #55
LOL! Anyone can create a petition at that site. This is not Credo itself. onehandle Jan 2016 #57
Is this still about HRC's data that Bernie's staffer stole from the DNC computer? Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #68
This woman has been a disaster. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #70
I live in Florida. Debbie openly supports her GOP buddies AGAINST Dems, because she likes her djean111 Jan 2016 #71
What issue has she "supported republicans" on? what law?, what policy? Sunlei Jan 2016 #80
She refused to campaign for Democratic opponents to her GOP colleagues in FL. Green Forest Jan 2016 #86
The Republicans put our economy in the crapper, and that after the disastrous destruction of Iraq Babel_17 Jan 2016 #72
Our party has to many Ds who will NOT get off their ass and vote. Sunlei Jan 2016 #75
They're emulating our leadership, not all that upset over Republicans winning elections Babel_17 Jan 2016 #79
people do 'yell about those things, yelling does no good in America if people do not vote. Sunlei Jan 2016 #83
I'm not hearing my party leaders yell about expanding (for example) Social Security Babel_17 Jan 2016 #85
ss probably will not expand much more then it is today. maybe rise a little with inflation costs. Sunlei Jan 2016 #88
Her record of historically high Democratic loses across the Nation are reason enough for dismissal randr Jan 2016 #76
Exactly PatSeg Jan 2016 #111
I call on DWS to step down. marble falls Jan 2016 #77
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #78
Why bother - they should know they will hate the successor too treestar Jan 2016 #81
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #92
Yes, you can tell by the hatred of her predecessor and his successes as chair jeff47 Jan 2016 #100
I don't see how ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #89
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #96
When has the DNC ever cared about what Progressives want? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #103
Add me to the list. tabasco Jan 2016 #104
She makes me sick to my stomach! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #108
DWS needs to go. blackspade Jan 2016 #109
So far Bernin Jan 2016 #110
Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned when the 2010 election results were announced. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #114

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. I am always interested in what a very infrequent poster finally deems worthy of commenting upon
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jan 2016

and what comment he or she finally deems worthy of making.

And, no, this is not an insult to all infrequent posters or an implication that all infrequent posters are trolls. Far from it. Some of the posters I enjoy most post very rarely. Sociologically, it's just interesting.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. I stand by my first post on this thread, you've reworded yours.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:44 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Whether or not you post every day, you registered Apr 6, 2014 and your number of posts as of when I posted was 686 or lower.

If you make at least a post a day, I can understand preferring a word other than "infrequent" to describe the totality of that pattern. Choose a more precise one.

Otherwise, my comments stand.

I don't give a crap what DWS fears, but your Reply 1 was mocking progressives, quite apart from DWS.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
21. U r Gud at maths
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:13 AM
Jan 2016

April 6 2014 to Jan 6 2016 is 21 months.

That's about 600 days.

That's an average of over once a day.

I'm mocking self-styled progressives who display misogynist tendencies.

In case it's not clear I am suggesting there's nothing progressive about sexism.

I was camped at Zucotti Park and started my political life canvassing for McGovern and marching with Cesar Chavez. I am serenely uninterested in whether I meet your standards as a "progressive."

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
26. Not at all
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jan 2016

I love Bernie Sanders. I've given him money since he was in the f'ing House. I started out this season supporting him strongly and even changed my registration from Ind to Dem so I could vote for him in the NY primary (which HRC will win easily so it was avprotest vote, I am not a huge fan of her as my senator either believe me).

But then I started observing Sanders supporters. The level of sexism and misogyny directed at HRC, and the level of wishful thinking about the nature of the general election electorate, combined with being the father of a daughter (so I really care about both sexism and SCOTUS), led me to change my mind.

I'm *maybe* voting Sanders in the primary still. But I expect and am happy to vote for Hillary in the general.

But I've learned that many self-styled progressives are just left versions of Trump supporters: pissed off, sexist, and in favor of simplistic slogans that have zero chance of becoming actual policy.

Plus mean.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
29. Ahhh.. I stand corrected
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jan 2016

Maybe he's too far left.

"...I'm *maybe* voting Sanders in the primary still."
...
"But I've learned that many self-styled progressives are just left versions of Trump supporters: pissed off, sexist, and in favor of simplistic slogans that have zero chance of becoming actual policy.

Plus mean."

And the Hillary supporters? They are always the absolute definition of niceness? Please provide your assessment of the other side.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
30. Problems on both sides
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jan 2016

I can agree with that. Plenty of assholes on the HRC side too.

But the level of misogyny on the pro-Sanders side is alarming to me.

If you don't see it you're not looking. It begins with collapsing HRC and her husband into a single entity.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
44. This.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jan 2016
If you don't see it you're not looking.

And if you want to find something intangible badly enough, even if others can't see it, suddenly it will be there.
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
98. I was a supporter of Elizabeth Warren until it became definite that she wasn't running. Then
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

I switched to Bernie, because his political views are so similar to hers, as well as to mine. I
will support the candidate whose political views are similar to mine. Gender hardly plays a
role. I am sure there are many others here who are like me.

Your "But the level of misogyny on the pro-Sanders side is alarming to me." is rather overly
strong. Bear in mind that in the heat of a discussion, some do have the tendency to post
the very first angry thought that comes to their mind. It's nothing more than that, just a
temporary angry feeling, but now it has been put into writing, and as such assumes a
different character - it has become something that can be taken more seriously. I, too, have
been guilty of this on occasion. I'll watch myself more carefully.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. Corrected! LOL! Second thread win.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie Butter. It's my least favorite spread, though it's been spread thick all over DU.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Well, then, go on with your bad self.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jan 2016

To use an expression so old, even Chloe Kardashian finally used it.

I had a cup but it was so many hours ago, it no longer counts. Anyway, I really need at least two.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
66. Now, this is interesting.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jan 2016

I've only begun to read the responses to this OP, and -- thus far -- the only "ugly" response is yours herein above.

Plus bigoted:

But I've learned that many self-styled progressives are just left versions of Trump supporters: pissed off, sexist, and in favor of simplistic slogans that have zero chance of becoming actual policy.


Using the word "many" in that rather "mean" characterization of "self-styled progressives" does not diminish the bigotry of your assertion.

I wonder which progressive(s) trod upon your toes...

(Well, I'll never know, because I elect to use my IL to the fullest advantage, so that I don't have to wade through bigotry on DU.)
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
91. Sooo ... You noticed that, too?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016
But I've learned that many self-styled progressives are just left versions of Trump supporters: pissed off, sexist, and in favor of simplistic slogans that have zero chance of becoming actual policy.


I would add racistish, as well ... and, before anyone does the "What??? Where???" routine, yes ... I can post links from THIS site.
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
107. Did you copy and paste this from another thread.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

I swear I've the same one every day for awhile now.

The template is this...

1) Start out with 'I love Bernie. I'm a huge fan and would love to vote for him'.
2) Add, 'but then Sanders supporters turned me away from him because they are sexist'.
3) Then add, 'I'm voting for Hillary now but I might support Bernie in the GE.'
4) Finally, argue for why Bernie would be a bad choice as the nominee.

Seen it too many times to count. So predictable.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. Please quote my words that have anything to do with the first half of your reply. Thanks.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:21 AM
Jan 2016

I thought all I said on that subject was:

Whether or not you post every day, you registered Apr 6, 2014 and your number of posts as of when I posted was 686 or lower.

If you make at least a post a day, I can understand preferring a word other than "infrequent" to describe the totality that pattern. Choose a more precise one.


I see you did not come up with a more precise word, but nothing I said showed that I had either bad skills or good ones. (You do understand, because you've made more than one post on this thread, that people can make more than one post a day, right?)


I'm mocking self-styled progressives who display misogynist tendencies.


First, your reply #1 was not limited the way you claim. Second, calling for DWS's resignation does equal misogyny.

I was camped at Zucotti Park and started my political life canvassing for McGovern and marching with Cesar Chavez. I am serenely uninterested in whether I meet your standards as a "progressive."


Uninterested in my standards for being a progressive and yet....I love irony. You maybe serenely something, but I have no clue what it is.

BTW, I articulated no standard for being a progressive. I don't even like the word.

This make several relatively useless exchanges. Let's not waste any more time on nothing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. No, they are not. She's done a crap job at 2014 midterm strategy, a crap job at
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jan 2016

being impartial about the 2016 Democratic Presidential nominees and these comments of hers are themselves misogynistic and tone deaf toward young women. Anyone else would have been fired long ago.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
38. Mysogynistic???
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jan 2016

Sorry to step into the fray, but are criticisms of Carly Fiorino mysoginistic? Or maybe one should not point out flaws in the fairer sex?

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
56. It's not an insult if it's a real discussion.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jan 2016

And has been for some time now:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/04/24/3430316/after-roe-unsafe-abortions/

https://redswrap.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/five-things-young-women-should-know-about-life-before-roe-v-wade/

Here's one from Mother Jones discussing the merits of the argument objectively (that's without distinct bias or political agenda, a very novel concept):

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/01/are-young-women-complacent-about-abortion-rights

Now, to live up to my own words and be objective, I don't think DWS comments should be restricted to Roe vs. Wade, or even women's issues. There's been a number of articles, and discussions right here on this site about the complacency of Gen X in particular on a whole mess of issues.

An honest observation does not = misogyny (that's how the word is spelled btw.)

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
61. DWS lost any credibility when she endorsed Republicans.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jan 2016

That is being misogynistic and anti-choice in a nutshell.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
69. Dismissive and one sided is her modus operandi
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jan 2016

That's her in a nutshell. And to suggest anti-DWS sentiment is inherently misogynistic is a also one-sided and dismissive. As was the stupid comment you initially responded to.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
94. "And to suggest anti-DWS sentiment is inherently misogynistic is a also one-sided and dismissive."
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jan 2016

And utterly false. And damaging to women as well. If you can't even criticize a female head of the DNC for historically bad job of setting election strategy--the job of the DNC, without being called sexist, crikey!

Reading this board, any prospective employer, male or female, will think six times before hiring a woman. No one wants to live at the EEOC or in court or even to risk it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
95. Oh good. Time for some nice, generational bashing.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jan 2016
There's been a number of articles, and discussions right here on this site about the complacency of Gen X in particular on a whole mess of issues.

Yeah...as someone from GenX, let me remind you what happened when we came of age.

First, the older half of GenX tends to be teabaggers. So they're really not going to be helpful on this subject.

The younger half tend to be liberal. We had problems like high student loan debt. We were rather concerned about climate change and other environmental issues. We were very upset at the destruction of the safety net. And we were also upset about the Democratic party giving away abortion rights by bits and pieces (ex. Ok...a one day waiting period is ok....well since it's already one day, 3 days is not that different...)

We were told to shut up and vote for Democrats so they could continue to focus on Boomer issues. That our concerns were "unrealistic". That we were demanding unicorns. And the party traded away our issues to placate Republicans. We are a small enough generation that our votes were not needed to win, so our issues were sacrificed.

Shockingly enough, after a decade or so of that treatment most of us stopped giving a damn about politics. To this day, younger GenX turnout is abysmal. You wanna know why we don't have many "younger" candidates for President? Look at what the party did to "the kids" during the 1990s.

The good news is the party is working very hard to do the same thing to Millennials. Surely that will get a different result this time!
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
97. ROFL, you call it generational bashing.. then prove the point
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

"Shockingly enough, after a decade or so of that treatment most of us stopped giving a damn about politics. To this day, younger GenX turnout is abysmal. You wanna know why we don't have many "younger" candidates for President? Look at what the party did to "the kids" during the 1990s. "

Your words mate. Do you not see both the hypocrisy and irony?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
101. I never said I would never engage in generational bashing.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

If you are going to complain about the lack of activism among GenX, I'm going to bring up what the previous two generations did to GenX.

Or was I supposed to organize my third grade class to stop the Greenspan commission?

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
99. I disagree. As far as I can see, the anti-DWS views expressed here are based upon the
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jan 2016

way she is carrying out her job as chair of the DNC. Her job requires her to be unbiased
towards all Democratic candidates. DWS went out of her way to help Clinton -- among
other things. I find it amazing that you don't see this.

There is a movement going on asking DWS to resign:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/widespread-calls-for-debbie-wasserman-schultz-chairman-of-the-dnc-to-resign-blacked-out-by-the-news-media-petition-surpasses-40000-signatures-in-first-24-hours/

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. Nope, not for the entire concept. The totality includes being a low count poster.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jan 2016

"Low count" was much more germane to my comment, to my Reply 4. How many posts you do or do not make a day has nothing to do with my comment. So, we've now make another pointless exchange about nothing. You may find some use for wasting that kind of time to discuss nothing, but I don't. I'm out.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
59. 😘😘😘
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:30 AM
Jan 2016

Low count. Now that sounds like "no account."

I've been a daily poster for almost two years here. Sorry that doesn't get me in the Kool Progressives Klub.

Unlike some around here I do have other interests

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
73. Your math lacks practical application. The largest Democratic Caucus in the Congress?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jan 2016

The Progressive Caucus.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
105. Your post mocked all progressives. Or is it sexist simply to oppose DWS?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

This place gets more fucked up every week

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
65. I think I'll stick my two cents in.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jan 2016

I'm a lurker, there I've said it. The democratic powers that be absolutely need to be worried about the progressives. It stands to reason that based on real polling that the majority of the people are farther to the left then 99% of the candidates running, I could spend a few hours to get the figures to back my statements but I won't because either I'm preaching to the choir or you (collective you) won't believe me no matter what. So why post at all? Because if I can get one person who is reading and lurking to change their mind or do the search themselves I've done something good. As far as DWS or HRC it is a matter of continuing the same old BS that has gotten us to where we are today not anti-women nonsense. Having meet Bernie 20 years ago in a small meeting in San Diego, having time to really talk to the man, seeing how he hasn't changed his view point at ALL, so voting for the same old BS or trying something different? Guess which way I'll vote. Someone can correct me if I mis-quote this but I believe Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" and last but not least why do I mostly lurk with most of my post being K&R's? Because I'm not as literate as a lot of the really good posters are and someone has said it better or more concise then I could and saying "Me too!" gets silly after a while.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
115. Hello, fellow lurker.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jan 2016

We have different political outlooks (I am a staunch Hillary supporter), but I agree on the lurking part. Not only have others said what I was thinking, often in much better ways than I could express it, but the times I have been moved to post have usually resulted in ugly arguments.

I live alone, I am fairly opinionated, and I have a habit of being a gadfly and an irritant. I am self-aware enough to understand myself and the fact that I am somewhat abrasive.

It's probably best I go back to lurking now.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
102. many prolific posters post trash regularly
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jan 2016

i think it is quality v quantity. of course,there are some frequent posters who provide gems almost daily.

ya never know. i always wonder if people who don't post often are still reading but not posting (as i sometimes do) or are away from du completely doing other stuff

there is life outside du, right?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
93. I do find it interesting to note what infrequent posters find worth responding to and why.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jan 2016

That's all I said in my first reply. If that's making it about the poster at all, it's the mildest "making it about the poster" I've seen on this board ever.

Oh, and quit telling me what to do.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
63. How condescending
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jan 2016

to make this about whether DWS is (or should be?) "scared of progressives."



DWS is both partisan and inept. She is an embarrassment. Time for her to go.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
5. I'd say that it's strange to see people mocking progressives on this forum, but sadly, it isn't
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jan 2016

these days.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. In fairness, many on this forum, including me, have said negative things about
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:27 AM
Jan 2016

Third Way and New Democrats. The division between DU's left and DU's right has been exacerbated around Secretary Hillary Clinton's run for the Presidency, especially since she is running against Senator Bernie Sanders. Actually, it's exacerbated just about every division on this board. I am told it was just as bad in 2008 and 2004, but this is the first time I am witnessing it as I did not read here until the 2008 primary was over.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
12. Well I think it's sad
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:37 AM
Jan 2016

to see people who claim to be "progressive" engage in outright misogyny.

But that's me.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
87. You sure fling accusations.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jan 2016

Where is your proof? From what I've seen, the largest reason for criticism of DWS has been the her poor performance in getting Democrats of any stripe elected. She's really bad at it. Then there's her obvious support for her BFF, Sec. Clinton. I'm sure you can dig up a comment here or there that can be viewed as misogynist but that would not be "many", most or a lot. It would be the exception.

So, please provide the "many" examples of "people who claim to be 'progressive' engage in outright misogyny".

Thank you in advance

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. That is not what Reply 1 did and safety is not an issue.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:54 AM
Jan 2016

All posters are doing is calling out a poster for mocking progressives. No one is in danger, ffs.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
112. I think it's strange to see people mocking Democrats
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

on a Democratic discussion board. It isn't strange these days.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
90. Time to rid my DU of right wing posters
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jan 2016

You don't like Progressives? ... You dislike Liberals?

Thanks for that information ...

You are gone ...

Response to Trajan (Reply #90)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Everyone who cares about fairness and the proper role of the DNC should be calling for her ouster,
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jan 2016

not only progressives and not only her resignation.

Quite apart from the choice issue.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
6. I will need more information. If what's highlighted in this post is it, I'd have to say as a
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jan 2016

feminist since 1980, I agree with her. There must be more in the whole article and it's too early in the morning for me to read it to find out. Before Occupy there was a saying - you're not an activist unless you're over 40. After Occupy there became a generation of activists all over the world - thankfully. It appears this woman cited the newly interested in fighting for womens rights in the piece above. My nieces perhaps still take them for granted and the rights to abortion have literally all but been removed (1 abortion clinic left) in several states now. Not exactly a lot of feet on the ground protest that I can see.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. There's been quite a lot, though not necessarily about choice.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:21 AM
Jan 2016

Most of us here, male and female, are feminists, including me. The line on DWS does not seem to be drawn at feminists, but at Hillary supporters specifically.


You must have omitted something here

but is appears this woman cited that above.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. Because? Women who were born after 1970 have faced sexism and troubles around
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jan 2016

reproduction. She sounds clueless and tone deaf to me and I do understand the wire hanger issues of the pre Roe v. Wade days.

The last thing women need is a woman in a high position being dismissive.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
10. DNC Chair (DWS), Fueled By Booze PACs, Blasts Legal Pot
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jan 2016

Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz told the New York Times she continues to oppose legalizing marijuana – even as she has courted alcohol PACs as one of the largest sources of her campaign funding.

Wasserman Schultz, a House Democrat from Florida, said she doesn’t “think we should legalize more mind-altering substances if we want to make it less likely that people travel down the path toward using drugs. We have had a resurgence of drug use instead of a decline. There is a huge heroin epidemic.”

The fifth-largest pool of money the congresswoman has collected for her re-election campaign has been from the beer, wine, and liquor industry. The $18,500 came from PACs including Bacardi USA, the National Beer Wholesalers Association, Southern Wine & Spirits, and the Wine & Spirits Wholesalers of America.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that during a recent period, “excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64.”

When pushed by interviewer Ana Marie Cox, Wasserman Schultz said that she was “bothered by the drug culture that surrounded my childhood — not mine personally. I grew up in suburbia.”

Cox pointed out that despite the dramatic problem with opiate abuse, the state has not made opiates illegal. Wasserman Schultz responded by saying that there “is a difference between opiates and marijuana.”

She’s right about that. An esstimated 8,257 Americans perished from heroin-related drug poisoning in 2013. Nearly twice as many — 16,235 — died from opioid analgesics.

There have been roughly zero deaths from marijuana abuse.

In 2014, 64 percent of self-identified Democrats told Gallup they support marijuana legalization.

<snip>

Link: https://theintercept.com/2016/01/06/wasserman-schultz-fueled-by-booze-pacs-blasts-legal-pot/

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
23. Madflordian on DU has documented her
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jan 2016

standing with republicans over democrats
over the years..... just google in DU and you can find her documentation of her traitorous acts against democrats in Florida


Don't forget her failures for losing the Senate and the House during her tenure.

sleep well.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
34. Establishment Debbie decrying the ignorance of present day activists is so hypocritical.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jan 2016

We used to laugh at limousine liberals like her. Now they own the party machine (which is 1/2 of the problem).
What Debbie and her ilk leave out that the other side bent the rules and stole elections. Don't even mention the words hanging chad near her. Debbie is just fine with Citizen's United since it weeds out what in her mind are the "marginal" candidates.
She cannot articulate the behavior of the Kochs and other industrialists who have been funding and orchestrating the real war on women since she is so much a part of their class.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
40. So.. "progressive" group has issue with woman having opinion on women's issues?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:55 AM
Jan 2016

First, a little truth in advertising.. It's not "Progressives Are Calling" it's 1 progressive group. A group that (I'm sure it's just a coincidence) has 9 of it's current top 10 issues about supporting Bernie Sanders (you know that campaign that has such close ties to DWS).

The faux-rage is strong with this one. Would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
48. Yes, you've captured this thread honestly and precisely. Good for you!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jan 2016

It's all about a woman daring to have a totally reasonable opinion about younger women.

Chef Eric

(1,024 posts)
54. CREDO has always been committed to women's issues.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jan 2016

Since its founding, CREDO has contributed over 3 million dollars to Planned Parenthood.

Here is a summary of what they accomplished in 2014:
http://www.credomobile.com/lp/jan15/year-in-review/

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
42. Just because your favorite candidate was not ...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jan 2016

... completely ready for prime time doesn't mean you can shoot anger rays at everyone in sight.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
52. but.. but...butt.. this is surely just about what DWS said,
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jan 2016

and has no other ulterior purpose other than that sole comment!

Really. truly.. seriously!!!



The faux-rage is strong with this one.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
74. Is DWS a candidate? No. Are you suggesting that one candidate is Debbie's choice and thus to
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jan 2016

criticize Debbie's longstanding assbackward conservative views on say, cannabis is actually an attack on Debbie's candidate?
What's your basis for that belief, exactly? Be specific.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
55. She will not step down, quit her position at this point in our election process. Shes no quitter!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:20 AM
Jan 2016

Petition the board of directors and follow the process of rules if some people don't want her to work for the D party anymore.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
57. LOL! Anyone can create a petition at that site. This is not Credo itself.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jan 2016

A long time DUer who got tombstoned was pushing a user created petition to 'not vote for Hillary in the GE' from that site.

You could go there and create a petition to ask Senator Sanders to quit. A 2 cent a word 'writer' at huffpo could write about it. Would that be news?

This is a political side-show article, not LBN.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
71. I live in Florida. Debbie openly supports her GOP buddies AGAINST Dems, because she likes her
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jan 2016

"working relationship" with her GOP buddies. DWS is a DINO, and she does not get one penny or vote from me, if the occasion should present itself. Anyone who labels me misogynistic for this should know that, as I am a woman, I find DWS to be an embarrassment and a setback to feminism. Her gender has nothing to do with how I feel about her. And I feel the same way about all the members of that new Democrat Coalition. ALL of them. Not just Debbie.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
80. What issue has she "supported republicans" on? what law?, what policy?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jan 2016

I could see a republican wanting to shun co-workers, ignore the president because they are not republican.

IMO, we Ds need people who have "working relationships" with all other elected people.

Some things still do get done in this country, laws are written, bills are finished when the two sides work together.

 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
86. She refused to campaign for Democratic opponents to her GOP colleagues in FL.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jan 2016

Democratic party leaders have tapped Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz to raise money and coach candidates in a high-stakes, aggressive bid to expand the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines... Stuart Rothenberg, editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, which tracks political campaigns, said the lack of support from top Democrats could make donors leery... Wasserman Schultz benefited from a close affiliation with the U.S.-Cuba Democracy PAC, which since its founding in 2003 has contributed $22,000 to Wasserman Schultz's campaign committee... Wasserman Schultz said the PAC support played no role in her decision...

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html#storylink=cp

Imagine if Bernie had done this? The hypocrisy among the " Who's the real Democrat?" crowd reeks.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
72. The Republicans put our economy in the crapper, and that after the disastrous destruction of Iraq
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jan 2016

And yet our leadership has supervised our losing both houses of Congress. And somehow there's no clamoring to deal with this. Everything is serene at the top of our party.

Things must look different, from those rarefied heights. Certainly no whiff of the fear and despair that many down here at ground zero are suffering.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
75. Our party has to many Ds who will NOT get off their ass and vote.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jan 2016

That's why our Congress is the worse congress in history. "The people' voted for them.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
79. They're emulating our leadership, not all that upset over Republicans winning elections
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jan 2016

When Democrats win, Republicans point to it being a sign of the end times. They shame their base into showing up. We barely pretend to oppose what the Republicans favor.

We should be yelling at the top of our lungs about feckless foreign policy, the need to expand Social Security, and fairness for those at the bottom. We should reinstate our status as being the party of the people, and not just a servant for the elites.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
85. I'm not hearing my party leaders yell about expanding (for example) Social Security
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jan 2016

I do see Republicans I know getting pumped up by their leaders over their supposed issues.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
88. ss probably will not expand much more then it is today. maybe rise a little with inflation costs.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jan 2016

Medicaid and Medicare could expand. Those should be our 'for all' non-profit gov. health care system.

Yes, republicans are best about gaining enough votes to win the position. Enough votes to win the position, is RW 'leaderships' main focus with all elections from local to federal.


randr

(12,412 posts)
76. Her record of historically high Democratic loses across the Nation are reason enough for dismissal
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

Should have happened following the past election. You have to wonder how she has stayed on.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. Why bother - they should know they will hate the successor too
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jan 2016

and scapegoat them.

Try convincing voters rather than this kind of side issue.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
100. Yes, you can tell by the hatred of her predecessor and his successes as chair
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

Oh wait....there isn't hatred for that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
89. I don't see how ...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jan 2016
“a complacency among the generation of young women whose entire lives have been lived after Roe v. Wade was decided.”


would be a controversial statement.

Workers born into weekends, paid sick leave and the other union fought for working conditions have a complacency towards unions ... Black youth born into a world that the Civil Rights movement have a complacency towards that struggle.
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