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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:26 AM Jan 2016

GM unveils Bolt electric car in Vegas

Source: AFP

General Motors unveiled the production version of its Chevrolet Bolt electric car, on which the US auto giant is pinning its hopes for the emerging segment.

The Bolt aims to appeal to consumers looking at a more affordable price tag than the luxury, market-leading Tesla.

"It's more than a car, it's a platform that can be upgraded," said GM chairman and chief executive Mary Barra, speaking at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

"Who are our customers? Anyone who wants to save time, money and the environment in a car that is truly fun to drive."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/gm-unveils-bolt-electric-car-vegas-035051745.html

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GM unveils Bolt electric car in Vegas (Original Post) Zorro Jan 2016 OP
Still kinda steep for what looks to be a sub-compact burfman Jan 2016 #1
Price is driven by gamechanging range whatthehey Jan 2016 #2
I've long maintained MurrayDelph Jan 2016 #3
Except that's a rare need. So few people do the math whatthehey Jan 2016 #4
Most households are 2-car households though NickB79 Jan 2016 #5

burfman

(264 posts)
1. Still kinda steep for what looks to be a sub-compact
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:16 AM
Jan 2016

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Bolt

The electric car is expected to enter production in 2017 with a price starting at about US$38,000 before any applicable government subsidies.

More expensive than the hybrid volt:

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

2014 Volt US$34,995

There are some hefty government subsidies that do bring the price down a bunch for both carsw, but you still have to be really committed to having an electric car to pay the premium and deal with the 9 hour charging time for a 200 mile range - trips from DC to NY for example won't be easy. However for local trips with the Bolt you'll do just fine. If you drive further distances regularly the volt is worth a look.

In any case though the race is on to bring down the cost of the electric car. I'm interested to see what the effect of Tessla's battery factory in Nevada will do towards eliminating the price difference between gas and electric.

Burfman




whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
2. Price is driven by gamechanging range
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jan 2016

I suspect the real may underperform the ad-zing but even at say a real world 150 that puts it far in advance of the non-Tesla pack, and far cheaper than Teslas.

I'm on my second EV and reasonably well integrated in the enthusiast community and this is what most have been clamoring for - an affordable car (yes I'm sure the poorer-than-thou purists will sputter but the net price of this thing will be right at the median new car price) that can handle the absurdly long commutes so many people subject themselves to, even in winter when denser air, a cabin heat source that can't rely on engine heat, and less efficient batteries drastically reduce range .

Add to that the fact that driving electric effectively requires changing habits few people but hypermilers have experience with and affordable range has always been the adoption/satisfaction obstacle. Yes I could make my Leaf do 120 on a charge and don't even bother worrying about range on my S, but little Joe Jackrabbit accelerating his way up to 10 yards from a red light and then haring away uphill as fast as he can when they change to slam the brakes again just before the next red two blocks away was always so righteously enraged that his Leaf didn't do the same in a Minnesota January with the heat set to 86. Give him a Bolt as advertised and he'll be able to happily drive like an oblivious ricer boy to his heart's content.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
3. I've long maintained
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

that until you can get from Los Angeles to Las Vegas on a single charge (or a10-minute single recharge), electric cars will never become practical replacement for gasoline-powered vehicles.

That said, I'm hoping my 5.5-year/103k-mile Prius (I commute between NW Oregon and LA several times ayear) holds out until the Tesla 3 comes out

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
4. Except that's a rare need. So few people do the math
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

Even with gas at a very low real price historically, EV's have a solid cost advantage which can make long trips moot for most people.

The math on a Leaf right now:

Avg 4.5 m/KWh driven even vaguely sensibly at national average 11c/KWh means 2.44c/mile fuel. Net price an SV can be had for about $22.5k and that includes heated seats/nav/bose audio so very comparable to similarly equipped midsize car in price with the advantage of silent, 100% torque from the line driving. Maintenance costs are much much lower - all I spent in my 2 years was for tire rotations - no oil, much lower brake wear with regen etc. Free chargers are not uncommon (free gas however...). But let's, to the advantage of the ICE, ignore those last things and just look at fuel.

A very comparable well-equipped Focus auto gets 31mpg blended according to Edmunds (every ICE driver quotes their highway constant mpg, with a few exceptions like your Prius, but that's like me quoting my downhill regen m/KWh. I'm using blended norms in both cases). AAA is reporting $1.996 a gallon as today's average so that comes to 6.4c/mile

Take that 4c/mile adavantage, and again there are many more savings with an EV, and the average 12000/ year driver would save $480 annually in fuel alone.

I like taking long trips, but with intermediate Focus level cars available from Enterprise for $19.19 a day I don't like them enough and don't have the time to rent one for more than the 24 days I could afford to for that savings. Now do that math when gas goes back to $4+...


Yes yes we all hear about the people who have jobs or lives that somehow require them to drive personal vehicles hundreds of miles dozens of times a year on short notice and I am sure they exist but they are not normal. The average driver commutes 38 miles in a typical day and add in all other errands and trips and that 12k average is what you get. So it's worth noting that for every road warrior who claims they can't go electric because they drive twice that, there must be two who do half that. A guy who goes 50k a year? Needs to be three or four who hardly drive at all to keep that average there. Nobody is saying every single driver could go EV only today but a huge, overwhelming, majority could and could to their advantage.

People always wildly overestimate the times they drive huge distances, because those drives are more memorable than puttering around our local areas which is what the vast majority do the vast majority of the time, and the savings doing so by electric, which are in reality better than my ICE-biased model, could pay for a nice rental and save wear and tear and depreciation on your own car the few times one would be needed.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
5. Most households are 2-car households though
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

So long as one of your vehicles can make the drive, why not have an electric for your daily commuter?

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