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Omaha Steve

(99,685 posts)
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:05 PM Jan 2016

Sanders: 'If Wall Street does not end its greed, we will end it for them'

Source: CNN

By Eric Bradner

Washington Bernie Sanders Tuesday vowed to break up America's biggest financial firms during his first year in office, as he laid out his vision for Wall Street reform in a New York City speech.

He pledged to draft a list of firms whose failure would put the U.S. economy at risk in his first 100 days in office and require those firms to reorganize within a year, saying that "if a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist."

The Vermont senator and Democratic presidential contender repeatedly cast rival Hillary Clinton as too close to moneyed interests to seriously take on the banks that have faced $204 billion in fines since 2009.

It was an in-your-face approach -- with Sanders coming to Manhattan to condemn those in the nation's financial center -- designed to elevate an issue that Sanders sees as a winner with the first votes in Iowa and New Hampshire just a month away.

FULL story & video at link.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/bernie-sanders-financial-reform-speech/index.html

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Sanders: 'If Wall Street does not end its greed, we will end it for them' (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2016 OP
This is what he is supposed to do, and he does it well. What I want to know is who randys1 Jan 2016 #1
It is a great speech. The media is going to ignore it. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #2
What you must do is get tens of millions of new voters to show up and vote straight D ticket randys1 Jan 2016 #3
By the way, here is a great video on the reality of the economy JDPriestly Jan 2016 #8
Interesting. Here's the full list of Sanders' investments posted on DU earlier today... George II Jan 2016 #4
So????? Bernie's proposals are intended to make Wall Street more JDPriestly Jan 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jan 2016 #9
Ah, so Bernie wants to increase okasha Jan 2016 #21
Bernie wants to increase the class of Americans that benefits JDPriestly Jan 2016 #23
Sure. okasha Jan 2016 #24
With the regulatory and DOJ authority. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #28
I already read post #22. okasha Jan 2016 #29
Politicians are not supposed to save and invest in U.S. equities? JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #19
Looks like Yupster Jan 2016 #31
Do you even know what these are? I'm impressed. Especially with the teachers union funds he's trillion Jan 2016 #36
Humans get around limits The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #5
The country needs Senator Sanders . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #7
The President can't just break up large companies. tinrobot Jan 2016 #10
I agree. Andy823 Jan 2016 #12
Actually this is one area a president has a lot of scope to work with outside congress. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #22
The reorganization of Wall Street did not take long in 2008. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #25
It didn't take long, but it still required Congressional approval tinrobot Jan 2016 #32
The deals in 2008 were negotiated with the heavy hand of JDPriestly Jan 2016 #35
Good to see CNN coverage of this tom_kelly Jan 2016 #11
From where does he get this power? MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #13
Wow, didn't know greed was illegal now jamzrockz Jan 2016 #14
Are you joking? Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #16
What in that posts makes you think jamzrockz Jan 2016 #17
I suggest you check into AT&T back in the 80's randomelement Jan 2016 #18
So its not that they violated some anti trust jamzrockz Jan 2016 #20
It's just Sanders' Socialist facade. okasha Jan 2016 #27
What proposal is silly? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #26
The idea that the President alone can break up a bank tinrobot Jan 2016 #33
Depends on the state of the economy, the fiscal health of the bank JDPriestly Jan 2016 #34
Greed is what created the mess we're in Stainless Jan 2016 #30
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #15

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. This is what he is supposed to do, and he does it well. What I want to know is who
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

here is willing to do what will have to be done NO MATTER WHO is elected to the WH?

You all do understand neither Hillary or Bernie will get any help from the congress, so what other way is there to do this?

Unless gerrymandering is resolved only one way I know of legally, an OVERWHELMING show of force at the polls, we need TENS OF MILLIONS of new voters.

Otherwise, wont matter a whole bunch which of our two good candidates you elect.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. What you must do is get tens of millions of new voters to show up and vote straight D ticket
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

otherwise....

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. By the way, here is a great video on the reality of the economy
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

during the Clinton era.

Bill Clinton is bragging about it, but the seeds for the 2008 crash were sown during the Reagan and also during the Clinton presidencies. Clinton's policies on Wall Street and consumer debt were disastrous as were Reagan's.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017319008

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Interesting. Here's the full list of Sanders' investments posted on DU earlier today...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

....(the link, not the list): http://www.davemanuel.com/pols/bernie-sanders/

Assets

Tiaa Cref Equities
Tiaa Guaranteed Traditional
Tiaa Real Estate
VALIC ASSET ALLOC
VALIC SMALL CAP
VALIC MID CAP INDEX
VALIC SOCIALLY RESP
VALIC AGGR GROWTH LI
VALIC MOD GROWTH LI
VNGRD LI FGRO
VNGRD LI FMOD
VALIC GOVT SECURITIES
VALIC STRATEGIC BOND
VNGRD LT TRSRY
VNGRD LT INV GRADE
VALIC SCIENCE & TECH
VALIC INT'L EQUITIES
Cref Fixed Income
Cref Social Choice
Tiaa Personal Annuity Fixed
Tiaa Personal Annuity Stock Acount
Valic Core Equity
VALIC DIV VALUE
VALIC STOCK INDEX
VALIC SMALL CAP INDEX
VALIC SOCIAL AWARENESS
VALIC INTL GOVT BOND
VALIC MONEY MARKET II

Question: How many of these "Assets" are invested in Wall Street? Answer: ALL OF THEM!!!!!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. So????? Bernie's proposals are intended to make Wall Street more
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

secure for all of our investments.

The size of the too-big-to-fail banks, as Bernie explains concentrates too much of the risk. If one of the too-big-to-fail banks makes a big error in its investment strategy, the economy of the world fails.

Bernie's proposals are intended to make that a lot less likely.

Bernie's goal is to strengthen our economy, not tear it down. That means making investment a safer endeavor for Americans.

I don't understand what your post is really about. Why all the exclamation marks. Bernie, like many Americans his age, has saved money.

We should not be concerned about Bernie's modest investments but rather in the fact that so few Americans can manage to invest at all because they are not well enough paid to have discretionary income after they pay their bills.

We should be concerned about the level of debt Americans have and the fact that so many people in their 50s and 60s were wiped out by the recession of 2008 and have never repaired their horrible finances.

Did you actually listen to Bernie's speech?

That is where the Hillary fans should begin because Bernie's speech was just terrific. It contained facts that I did not know.

It contained proposals that are wonderful.

Feel the Bern!

Response to JDPriestly (Reply #6)

okasha

(11,573 posts)
21. Ah, so Bernie wants to increase
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

the investor class, not bring.it to heel.

That's what I thought, but appreciate the confirmation.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. Bernie wants to increase the class of Americans that benefits
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

from Wall Street investments.

Breaking up the big banks, limiting their investments to things that benefit a wider range of people would not necessarily "increase the investor class," but it would mean that investment money will be to a greater extent used for the benefit of more people.

Bernie wants to break up the big banks which will mean that the power that comes with the huge amounts of money, the huge proportion of the economy that the too-big-to-fail banks now control will be held by more people and that will bring more diversity in our economy and nation, hopefully. By diversity I mean commercial diversity.

If you listen to his speech, he explains how that would lead to the funding of more small businesses and the creation of more jobs. It is by no means what most people think of as a "socialist" idea.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. With the regulatory and DOJ authority.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

A lot of the laws are already on the books.

Obama reorganized the auto industry to a great extent.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
19. Politicians are not supposed to save and invest in U.S. equities?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

It's what most of us do in our 401(k)'s.

Those "Assets" are invested broadly in the U.S. economy, not concentrated in "Wall Street".

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
36. Do you even know what these are? I'm impressed. Especially with the teachers union funds he's
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:53 AM
Jan 2016

invested in and the vanguard fund is a no brainer. I'm also invested in it. Science and tech etc. All that TIAA should have made you smile. But again, you appear to be someone who thinks all stocks are bad - including I guess green ones. This is not investing in banksters. This is an awesome portfolio. Bet nobody in congress is this conscious. No energy sector, no giant corps like Nike. I'm friggen impressed with this. Valic is retirement funds. They are held by the AG. But I don't see an issue with them.

By the way I always wanted TIAA Creff but only teachers are allowed to get it. Bernie got it from teaching.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. The country needs Senator Sanders . . .
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

There is no one like him, no one who has such a good chance to really change how the bankers and brokers enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. His ideas can save the rich from themselves as well.

We need more Americans just like him, many more.

tinrobot

(10,912 posts)
10. The President can't just break up large companies.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

Breaking up a large company would have to go through the courts as part of an anti-trust action or something. It will not happen within a year. Those sorts of big lawsuits usually take years/decades to pursue.

Even if he tries doing it through some other channel, it will wind up in the courts for years.

I like his tenacity, and yes, breaking up large firms would be a good thing. Unfortunately, the reality is that it is not that simple.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
12. I agree.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

No matter who wins the nomination, they can't do something like this without congress, and as you stated, it will take years in court to sort it all out, and then who knows what the courts will decide. Wall street is not going to just accept something like this without a fight.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
22. Actually this is one area a president has a lot of scope to work with outside congress.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

Start with the Sherman and Clayton anti-trust acts. Since all of these giant banks got that way through mergers and acquisitions they falls under the scope of the anti-trust acts. Though applying the anti-trust acts ex post facto might be tricky. A lot of industries besides just banking need to have the anti-trust acts applied to them, IMO.


A big part of the problem isn't that many of the laws have been invalidated, it's that many of them are not applied (but still on the books). This fault lies squarely on the executive branch.


Another tool the president has to work with is control of the FTC and DoJ. Those agencies oversee the anti-trust acts. At the absolute minimum they can block any of these mega industries from getting any larger via consumer friendly appointments.


As for legal challenges, of course those are going to happen. But regardless of how long it takes the courts to work it out, it's still worth it to protect the integrity of our economy and workforce. We'll be much better off breaking up the too big to fail banks now versus after the next major crash.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. The reorganization of Wall Street did not take long in 2008.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

It will depend on the state of the economy and various regulatory agencies. There are ways to reorganize Wall Street without passing laws. The banks may choose to break themselves up.

And if Bernie gets elected, he will bring some very liberal new members of Congress with him.

It is possible (that is that some are predicting) trouble on Wall Street this year anyway. If oil prices increase, we could have quite a shake-up. Same if the stock market here falls as it appears to be doing in China.

So there are a lot of variables.

Think how Obama negotiated changes in the auto industry. There are ways to get things done without action from Congress. The power to hire and fire people in some positions in certain regulatory agencies can be persuasive.

Bernie promised that no one from Goldman Sachs ( I think it was Goldman Sachs) would serve in his administration. I think Goldman Sachs was partly symbolic. Get the representatives of the banks who remain loyal to the banks even when serving in the regulatory agencies, out of those agencies and out of the administration, and you will have change.

Bernie's changes are not that revolutionary. The opening of banking facilities for small accounts and check cashing in post offices would take legislation. Re-enacting an up-to-date version of Glass-Steagall would take Congress, but some of the other things Bernie wants to do could be accomplished with some negotiating. Of course the banks might call it something else, but it would be negotiation. Bernie's plan is not that shocking.

I like the idea of making rating agencies non-profits. I always thought they were. That would take legislation, of course.

In sum, I think Bernie could accomplish a lot without Congress.

tinrobot

(10,912 posts)
32. It didn't take long, but it still required Congressional approval
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:01 AM
Jan 2016

The banks were bailed out by Congress in Oct 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

The auto industry in Dec 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/11/congress.auto.bailout/index.html?iref=24hours

Both happened before Obama took office.

Yes, he managed the programs and cut further deals, but it started with Congressional approval.

Sanders will need either Congress, the courts, or both to make something like this happen. Not sure if those odds are with him.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. The deals in 2008 were negotiated with the heavy hand of
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:29 AM
Jan 2016

ruin pressing the banks to compromise. We could have achieved a lot more reform at that time had Congress been willing to increase the pressure.

Bernie is not going to appoint Goldman Sachs folks to his administration. That will change the balance on the scale and the amount of pressure not only on Congress but on the banks themselves to accept a new game in town.

Also, as Bernie pointed out in his speech, the banks agreed to settlements in which they paid huge sums of money (from our perspectives, not so much from theirs). Had the Obama administration wished to require the banks to agree to breaking up and not just making financial settlements, it probably could have done so in some cases. The cost of reviewing documents and trying a case against well heeled Wall Street firms is daunting, but it can be done. We could have gotten a lot of concessions from the big banks (laundering drug money????? Good grief, Charlie Brown!) if we had tried. It was dumb not to push to break up the banks when they were negotiating about obviously illegal activity -- like violating state laws about recording the transfer of ownership of deeds, etc.

There are lots of ways to get things done. It's a matter of being resourceful and negotiating well.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
14. Wow, didn't know greed was illegal now
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jan 2016

I wonder if this applies only to wall street or the every business in America. I really want to support someone other than Hillary cos I can't vote for another war hawk ever again but its this kind of populist nonsense that turns me off from Sanders. I am beginning to think he says these sort of things without thinking it through.


 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
17. What in that posts makes you think
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jan 2016

I was joking? the proposal is silly beyond belief. Its probably unconstitutional and even before it gets to be challenged, no congress would vote in such an insane bill.

randomelement

(128 posts)
18. I suggest you check into AT&T back in the 80's
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

before labeling this as "silly beyond belief". As it stands now, these banks are almost certainly a national security risk

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
20. So its not that they violated some anti trust
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

law or some other law banking laws but because they are greedy? How about this bill, a bills that assure the banks and their customers that the banks won't be bailed out next time they screw up. If the banks somehow after the warning continue their reckless ways and fail, the country would pick up the pieces and rebuild without them (with banks that were not reckless). There are tools like the federal reserve lending programs( the one that lends money to banks at 0% so they can turn around and lend it to us at much higher interest) that can be used to get the banks to behave.

He doesn't have to threaten to break up banks who are not breaking the law and no greed is not against the law even for bankers

okasha

(11,573 posts)
27. It's just Sanders' Socialist facade.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jan 2016

A real Socialist would be talking about nationalizing failing banks, the petro industry, a Cuban-style health-care delivery system. Sanders won't support any of that.

tinrobot

(10,912 posts)
33. The idea that the President alone can break up a bank
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jan 2016

To do that, a President Sanders will need to :

A) File and win an antitrust suit in the Supreme Court. Those cases take years/decades to pursue

or

B) Get Congress to pass a law breaking up the banks. Any such law will be contested in court, so again, it will take years.

Regardless, he can not do it alone, and he can not do it in a year.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. Depends on the state of the economy, the fiscal health of the bank
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:22 AM
Jan 2016

and many other factors including the pressure of public opinion.

There are many ways to reform the economy. The president has the authority to use many methods other than an antitrust lawsuit or a court order.

In 2008, troubled banks were forced into deals that they would not have agreed to, had they been in better financial state.

The auto industry was virtually reorganized around that time and not by an Act of Congress. Legislation that is needed can be passed after deals have been negotiated.

So, it all depends. Negotiation might work better than passing laws or filing lawsuits. And incentives can be provided.

The point of doing all this is, in my view, not so much to punish bad players, but to prevent an economic crisis of the kind that we saw in 2008 in the future.

Certainly, some of the reforms Bernie is proposing require congressional action. But not all of them. His proposals are, in my opinion, well thought out.

I think his goal, as I understand it from his speech, is to reform and improve the flexibility in the economy, broaden the constituencies that have economic power, provide incentives (and maybe even require) that more of the credit be given to small businesses on America's Main Street and less to foreign investment and the conglomerates.

One thing that Bernie mentioned in passing and that I think should be changed is the right of parties to impose confidentiality agreements on employees and others (opponents in litigation for example) that prohibit a person from reporting or discussing possible violations of law in public. This is tricky, and I don't know exactly how a law could be written that would protect legitimate trade secrets of proprietary information but permit whistleblowers or people who question the practices of say, their employer, when they speak out about what appears to be possible wrongdoing. Very tricky, but it is time that we end the practice of allowing employers and others to violate laws and silence those who know of the violations of law.

I think Bernie is on the right track. Remember. He was the mayor of a city, Burlingon, Vt. and did a lot of good things in that capacity. Of course, there are always situations that don't turn out as a leader would like, but Bernie was successful enough in an executive position to get re-elected several times and then to get elected to the House and eventually the Senate. He is not a novice at the business of politics. He knows how to work with people who don't agree with him. He is realistic about his boundaries.

I think actually, because of his basically reasonable personality and his sharp mind, he will be better, easier for Wall Street to work with than Hillary would be. He is just smarter. Street-smart. Not just book smart. I think that is true with regard to our military also. If I were in any position in the military or in the financial sector, I would want the president who could most easily understand my point of view and discuss issues rationally. I think that person is Bernie. I think he is a deep thinker who will, however, consider new ideas. He is also a man of moral principle. You can listen to his ideas, and you can trace his conclusions, his specific stances on issues, right back to a value system that he presents and articulates well. It is easy to discuss issues with someone and even to change the opinion through discussion of someone who refers to values in making decisions as opposed to someone who thinks always and foremost about how an idea can be sold or is being sold. I think Hillary decides what she thinks based on what will sell, what people want to her to say, what is politically expedient at the moment. I do not trust that at all. That is why we are in the quagmire in Iraq. Because a lot of people in the Bush administration and in Congress voted for the war based on political expediency and not based on information or reason.

I'm not a socialist although I lived in European countries for some years and understand the social programs Bernie wants to sponsor. But I am not particularly ideologically committed to socialism. To the contrary. I like the creativity of capitalism. I do not want too much government interference in business. On the other hand, the lack of diversity of products in our stores, at least for people in my income level, reminds me a bit of the monotony of the offerings in stores in Eastern Europe when I visited there during the Communist era. We have too few choices in our commerce and the quality of affordable goods nowadays is really bad. That's my opinion. How is that possible in a capitalist country?

Back to the topic at hand. I support Bernie because I think that, of the candidates, he is the most reasonable and intelligent.

For example, I like the idea that rating agencies should be non-profits. The income of the CEO or head of a rating agency should not depend on a relationship of pay for outcome by the rated institution, whether a bank or an insurance company or anything else. The rating agency needs to be independent enough to be able to render an objective valuation.

I like the idea of breaking up banks like Chase, Bof A, etc. I trust credit unions. Mine pays a better interest rate than any of the big banks in addition to being more responsive within my community.

I like the idea that we have banking for small accounts and paycheck cashing in post offices. Used to have that in some European countries. We have a lot of payday lending companies in my neighborhood (not a ritzy area), and poor people are losing their shirts to those places. We can do better.

The big banks actually make savers pay to keep their money in the big bank if the account is too small. I am offended by that. Banks get a lot of breaks from the government. They should be required to help small savers because it is the right thing to do for our society.

Bernie's comments about the cost of credit are also very wise in my opinion. People should be discouraged from borrowing and not repaying within a pretty short time.

The level of personal debt in our country is terrible. I agree with raising the minimum wage to a livable wage. We have done that here in Los Angeles. People who work hard should be able to live in decent housing and not have to sleep in their cars or buy food with food stamps.

It is shocking to see people have to buy food with food stamps in my local grocery. That is very demeaning to those who have to do it. I know that from personal experience years ago when we had great financial difficulty.

It's partly a matter of living in the real world and having compassion for others. Bernie does both. He lives in the real world, and he has tremendous compassion for others.

Fell the Bern! Because that is what this election is about for me.

Stainless

(718 posts)
30. Greed is what created the mess we're in
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders has been focused on the issues of corporate greed and malfeasance for most of his political career. That would be more than forty years.


"I am beginning to think he says these sort of things without thinking it through." Your comment shows that you are either a troll or else you are completely ignorant and utterly misinformed. I suspect that you are actually a disrupter. You obviously didn't do your homework before making such a pathetic statement.

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