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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:11 PM Dec 2015

North Pole temperatures spike 'above freezing' as Storm Frank sends warm air north

Source: Telegraph

Temperatures at the North Pole are estimated to have spiked above freezing in a rare December 'heatwave' caused by Storm Frank.

The mercury was forecast to rise above 1°C on Wednesday, in a dramatic and possibly unprecedented rise from the usual deep freeze conditions of close to -30°C at this time of year.


The storm in the North Atlantic that has seen Britain deluged by rain and battered by strong winds has also pushed warm air from the tropics up to the Arctic, causing the highly unusual temporary temperature rise, meteorologists said.


Such temperatures would have made the North Pole even warmer than many parts of North America, such as Oklahoma, and comparable with places like Vienna and Istanbul.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/12075282/North-Pole-temperatures-spike-above-freezing-as-Storm-Frank-sends-warm-air-north.html

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North Pole temperatures spike 'above freezing' as Storm Frank sends warm air north (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP
What a bunch of baloney! tabasco Dec 2015 #1
We need to help Senator Jim Inhofe put that snowball where it really belongs. Judi Lynn Dec 2015 #2
Do you suppose… OKIsItJustMe Dec 2015 #8
let me add this for you w0nderer Dec 2015 #3
Shit. This is not good. blackspade Dec 2015 #4
Methane burst airplaneman Dec 2015 #5
I know. :'( Duppers Dec 2015 #6
Methane? RobertEarl Dec 2015 #9
Hi RobertEarl airplaneman Dec 2015 #10
From your link Duppers Dec 2015 #11
Okay, yes it is a problem. But, clean energy is cheaper than fossil fuel. I think we'll get off oil trillion Dec 2015 #14
Except we've already emitted enough CO2 to create a positive feedback loop out of our control NickB79 Dec 2015 #16
Not just under the seafloor. Remember those mysterious craters in Siberia? NickB79 Dec 2015 #17
I think AMEG has the right idea on what we need to do. airplaneman Dec 2015 #19
NASA is releasing articles about it and the right STILL doesn't believe. trillion Dec 2015 #13
K & R Duppers Dec 2015 #7
Carlin: What this planet will be in 30-40 years Feeling the Bern Dec 2015 #12
Two Maps Alaska and North Atlantic right now Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #15
Mild, wet December breaks Met Office weather records MowCowWhoHow III Dec 2015 #18
It's been very warm for December T_i_B Jan 2016 #20
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
1. What a bunch of baloney!
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

A senator had a snowball in Congress so all this scientific stuff is just made-up librul nonsense.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
8. Do you suppose…
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:07 PM
Dec 2015

Will he bring a branch from a cherry tree onto the floor of congress?
https://wamu.org/news/15/12/15/why_is_the_dc_region_seeing_cherry_blossoms_in_december

[font face=Serif][font size=5] Why Is The D.C. Region Seeing Cherry Blossoms In December?[/font]
By: Kathy Goldgeier
December 15, 2015


[font size=1]https://flic.kr/p/9ubFSS
What's behind the winter bloom of cherry blossoms in D.C.?[/font]

[font size=3]Santa Claus is coming soon. So why are we still seeing cherry blossoms in D.C.?

Temperatures aren't just above normal, they're way above normal. That's because the cold weather can't get to our region, says meteorologist Angela Fritz of the Capital Weather Gang.

"We have an area of high pressure over the Eastern U.S. and really much of North America that's been all but permanent for much of the month of December," Fritz says, and that's "in large part due to El Niño."

The warm weather has brought out some of the cherry blossoms around the Tidal Basin and the National Mall.

…[/font][/font]

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
3. let me add this for you
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015


there you go, now most people will get it (sadly it's needed)



librul nonsense like bronzy and irony and silvery and climate change and fossil fuels running out
and wars being bad for soldiers and civilians

heh...we both need to get off to fox re-education camp

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
5. Methane burst
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:44 PM
Dec 2015

Runaway global warming.
We could be toast in as little as 30 year or very possibly within a lifetime from now.
-Airplane

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
6. I know. :'(
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:27 PM
Dec 2015

Few of us have been posting about it.



I've been very emotional about accepting the FACTS. Most will ignore them and these threads.

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
10. Hi RobertEarl
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:26 AM
Dec 2015

Vast amounts of methane are stored in hydrates under the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
Rising temperatures in the arctic threaten to release this methane.

Here is a link to check this out:

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/the-mechanism.html

-Airplane

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
14. Okay, yes it is a problem. But, clean energy is cheaper than fossil fuel. I think we'll get off oil
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:17 AM
Dec 2015

because the oil lobby cannot stop progress when it's so cheap. Today's solar panels put out 10 times more energy than 5 years ago for each panel. I think progress will drive right over the fossil fuel dinosaurs within the next 20 years.
I don't think we have that long to start losing tens of thousands of people to climate change though - extreme heat or wild fires or flooding that can't be escaped for many people.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
16. Except we've already emitted enough CO2 to create a positive feedback loop out of our control
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

Even if we stopped burning ALL fossil fuels TODAY (ie no coal, natural gas or oil in any appreciable form), the amount of warming we've already locked in is enough to thaw most of the Arctic in this century and release massive amounts of additional CO2 and methane, causing even more warming, releasing more carbon, etc, etc. Remember, the 2C warming limit that the Paris accords used as their benchmark A) doesn't take into consideration things like thawing permafrost or melting hydrates, and B) is likely still too high considering we're already seeing massive climate damage at only 1C of warming today.

The fact that renewables like solar are finally cheap enough to compete with fossil fuels is simply too little, too late. The transition to non-carbon fuels is predicted to take decades even under the best of circumstances, which is decades we no longer have.

The 6th mass extinction event is here, and we don't have the technology to stop it even if we tried.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
17. Not just under the seafloor. Remember those mysterious craters in Siberia?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/04/02/exploding_methane_holes_in_siberia_linked_to_climate_change_is_alaska_next.html

According to measurements made by Russian scientists, methane concentration at the bottom of one of the holes was thousands of times higher than in the regular atmosphere. A more thorough recent expedition identified “dozens” of new holes, all of which apparently formed in the last year or two.

The Siberian holes draw into question the near-term stability of Arctic permafrost, which traps enough carbon, if fully unleashed, to double atmospheric concentrations and potentially push global warming into a frightening new phase. Scientists are quite certain it will take at least a century for that to happen in a worst-case scenario, but it’s clear that the release has already begun.

A recent study estimated continued warming would produce an additional 35-205 billon tons of carbon emissions (about 2-10 percent of current global totals) from permafrost by 2100. The wide range reflects how little we still know about the response of permafrost to increased temperatures. Since the permafrost thaw is already in progress, it could be difficult to slow down: Even a sharp cutback in emissions from cities and cars may only be able to cut those numbers in half. With the atmosphere only able to hold another 400 billion tons or so before we’re committed to a rise in global temperatures of more than 2 degree Celsius, the point after which “dangerous” impacts become much more likely.


Boom.

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
19. I think AMEG has the right idea on what we need to do.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

Methane is a short term problem and CO2 is a longer term problem. We need to get to the point that we are taking out more carbon than we are putting into the atmosphere. I agree it may be too late and we are in trouble. I find the "we have 100 years" to be grossly inaccurate and see us facing some real tough problems right now and we need to get a grip and address them. Failure to do so will be our demise. Once all the polar ice it gone the ocean will absorb so much more heat it will be like doubling of the CO2 in the atmosphere. And it takes 10-30 years to see the full effect of what we have done already with 400 ppm of CO2. We are already at 1.26 of the 2 degrees C that is not supposed to be breached. And here is the link to AMEG:

http://ameg.me/

-Airplane

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
18. Mild, wet December breaks Met Office weather records
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015
Mild, wet December breaks Met Office weather records

Long-standing weather records have been smashed by a stormy, yet warm December, the Met Office's early figures suggest.

Scotland, Wales and the north-west of England all had the wettest December in more than a century.

A UK mean temperature of 8C (46F) broke records too and would have felt more like a day in April or May.

The Met Office said storms Desmond, Eva and, most recently, Frank were behind the record rainfall, while a humid south-westerly airflow kept it warm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35204014

T_i_B

(14,745 posts)
20. It's been very warm for December
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 06:36 AM
Jan 2016

And even though there haven't been floods where I am (thank goodness!) there's still been a heck of a lot of rain.

The good news is that we've actually got some frost and ice this morning. Proper winter weather!

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