ISIS sanctioned harvesting organs from live captives

[Tab]

Source: NY Post

ISIS supports the harvesting of human organs from living captives to save Muslims’ lives — even if it costs the captives’ lives, according to a document obtained by US special forces.

The terror group’s Islamic scholars sanctioned the practice in a ruling that raises concerns that the extremists may be trafficking in body parts, Reuters reported.

The news agency could not independently confirm the authenticity of the Jan. 31, 2015, document, which US officials said was among items retrieved by the troops in a raid in eastern Syria in May.

“The apostate’s life and organs don’t have to be respected and may be taken with impunity,” reads the document, which is in the form of a fatwa, or religious ruling, from the ISIS’ Research and Fatwa Committee.

“Organs that end the captive’s life if removed: The removal of that type is also not prohibited,” Fatwa Number 68 says, according to a US government translation.

Read more: http://nypost.com/2015/12/25/isis-sanctioned-harvesting-organs-from-live-captives/

[NorthCarolina]

1. This is of course

beyond the pale, however by the same token I can't help from wonder if Cheney's new heart didn't come from a "volunteer" in Guantanamo.

[billhicks76]

2. Believable?

That dude in Israel got prosecuted for this. Had nothing to do with war though. Is this real or propaganda?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. I hear they also toss babies out of incubators.

[Yupster]

17. I hear they cut people's heads off

and burn people alive in cages.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Only for publicity.

[uppityperson]

26. Which the victims and their families totally understand that it's not personal

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. Daesh doesn't even know about Islam....

These guys are given a copy of "Islam for Dummies" when they join.

[Igel]

9. For doing? Or saying?

Thing is, fatawa are cheap. Any self-appointed scholar can produce one.

Think about the "doctrinal rulings" in the US. Get together a group of "scholars" and get their pronouncements. None need to be followed unless given an official imprimatur, because the "scholar" has only as much moral and religious authority as he has. Another scholar can reach the opposite conclusion--no problem. Somebody has to enforce it or the fatwa has to gain popularity and be popularly enforced.

[trillion]

37. That's what I'm wondering. There's billions in war for warmongers. Indeed, is it real or propaganda?

[Adsos Letter]

3. "ISIS' Research and Fatwa Committee"

WTF?

[hobbit709]

4. sounds fishy to me.

[Yo_Mama]

22. Reuters says they reviewed the document.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805R20151225

Islamic State has sanctioned the harvesting of human organs in a previously undisclosed ruling by the group’s Islamic scholars, raising concerns that the violent extremist group may be trafficking in body parts.

The ruling, contained in a January 31, 2015 document reviewed by Reuters, says taking organs from a living captive to save a Muslim's life, even if it is fatal for the captive, is permissible.

Article contains link to translated document, said translation by US government.

Iraq had earlier accused ISIS of murdering doctors who refused to remove organs:

In February, Alhakim, had urged the U.N. Security Council to investigate the deaths of 12 doctors in the Islamic State-held city of Mosul. Alhakim said the doctors were killed after refusing to remove organs.

The U.N. special envoy for Iraq, Nickolay Mladenov, said at the time that he could not confirm the claim, but it would be investigated. The U.N. has not provided an update on that investigation, which Alhakim said he would ask the Security Council to revisit.

There's a market for it - ISIS will do literally anything to raise money. I don't know why anyone should find this shocking. I write that sadly, but it is quite of a piece with their theology and business practices.

[trillion]

38. that still makes it suspicious - shown the docs from the US gov who translated them.

[dinkytron]

5. Well, if its in the NY Post, its gotta be true.

[cactusfractal]

6. "Dehumanization isn't a way of talking...

It’s a way of thinking—a way of thinking that, sadly, comes all too easily to us. Dehumanization is a scourge, and has been so for millennia. It acts as a psychological lubricant, dissolving our inhibitions and inflaming our destructive passions. As such, it empowers us to perform acts that would, under other circumstances, be unthinkable.”

― David Livingstone Smith, Less Than Human: Why We Demean, Enslave, and Exterminate Others

[Spitfire of ATJ]

7. Tell me how they're not Republicans.

[7962]

10. They're not Republicans. That was easy!

I;d also like to see a little more vetting of this story; regardless of the savagery we already know about them

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. I just keep thinking of Cheney....

After getting a replacement heart he was asked if he cared to know anything about the donor and he said he didn't care since the heart belonged to him now.

But yeah, this sounds like propaganda.

[7962]

15. Cheney & Martin Shkreli; 2 faces of the same evil. nt

[trillion]

39. oh man! I hadn't heard that before. Figures.

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. NY Post

The news agency could not independently confirm the authenticity of the Jan. 31, 2015, document, which US officials said was among items retrieved by the troops in a raid in eastern Syria in May.

That's all you need to know- until/unless it's covered by reputable news sources, I'll file it under rumors.

[Ex Lurker]

13. Rumor or not, they're responsible for plenty of 100% verified savagery

which they're quite proud of and distribute through their own propaganda outlets.

[StoneCarver]

16. Iam so glad

That peoples bs detectors are working. This stinks from a mile away!
Stonecarver

[Yo_Mama]

23. Document provided by US government. Translation linked in this article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805R20151225

What's really interesting is that the US government has had this since May, and never revealed it.

Iraq had filed a claim early this year about ISIS organ trafficking, or trying to, in connection with the murders of a number of doctors in Iraqi hospitals which fallen under ISIS control.

Anyway, apparently Iraq is going back to the UN now that they have this supporting document.

[840high]

29. Thanks

[6chars]

35. I'm starting to think they are bad people

Based on everything else they do, I would have expected them to do this anyway. Sick, sick f***s

[Yo_Mama]

36. Sick, sick ideology. We shouldn't pretend it's not real.

Stomach-churning as the reality is.

[McCamy Taylor]

14. ISIS is an organized crime family.

[trillion]

40. But let's be exact, ISIS is organized and paid for by members of the Saudi Royal family -

that the real crime family behind them. And, most of the ISIS fighters that have been caught are saying they didn't do it for religion but because they needed the money so took the job.

[Marrah_G]

18. I'm not sure why people think this is the line that ISIS won't cross

They cut off people's heads, film and post it. They have slave auctions where women are sold as sex slaves. I don't think it's much of a stretch to add this. They are a brutal, brutal group of fanatics.

[Eugene]

20. Wanting to harvest organs is one thing. Doing it successfully is something else altogether.

What he have so far is a bunch of hate-filled militants
issuing yet another fatwa for ratcheting up the barbarism.
Do they have the skilled people and medical infrastructure
to harvest organs in an organized fashion? Our source
brings up organ trafficking but won't even vouch for
the authenticity of the document.

Their medical ethics are to the right of Satan, but
they are not doctors.

[Yo_Mama]

24. Early this year a bunch of Iraqi doctors were killed by ISIS for refusing to do something like this.

Iraq filed a claim with the UN that ISIS was attempting to organ traffic, or at least murder people to transplant organs.

What's surprising is that this document is just being released by the US NOW.

[Marrah_G]

33. Actually, they have educated people from all over the world

They are not all fighters, which is what makes them even more dangerous.

[840high]

30. I don't doubt this is true.

[treestar]

21. They can't confirm the authenticity of the document

So it's just more ginning up of hatred.

Sounds a lot like the incubator baby story. These turn out not to be true.

[Yo_Mama]

25. Bullshit, there were reports already in 2014 that this was being done.

Start here.
http://www.bioedge.org/bioethics/bioethics_article/11265

The SCANDAL here is that the US government sat on this document so long. It appears that we didn't want it known. Reuters has the link to the US government translation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805R20151225

I realize everyone here thinks that we are so saintly, but in foreign news sources, there have been consistent reports that the US was supporting ISIS fighters in Syria. Okay, maybe we got gamed and just don't want to admit it, because there was this bullshit program that was supposed to be supporting the opposition to Assad. That is more than possible - that we were in fact badly gamed and ended up directly giving money and supplies to "rebel" organizations that were in fact ISIS groups.

But why did the US sit on this document for at least six months?

The Iraqis were asking the UN to do investigate the human trafficking early this year. We got the document in May. By the end of June they must have translated it. This is independent confirmation of the separate claims by the Iraqi and I believe Iranian governments.

The Reuters story says that the Iraqi government is going back to the UN with the organ trafficking thing now that they have this. Did we want to suppress this?

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. Would not be surprised, but if they want me to believe this release the original document

for authentication.

We've been down this road before.

[treestar]

34. +1

[trillion]

41. +1

[LeftyMom]

28. Of course they are, they need money.

Got a relative waiting for a transplant? It's not exactly a secret that there are any number of places you can go if you're willing to pay cash and not ask questions. China is the most obvious example but anywhere with decent hospitals and a glut of political prisoners will do. (The way India is going I expect they'll be in this business soon, and they do have excellent hospitals. Probably Russia would be all over it except that their prisons are ground zero for multidrug resistant TB and nobody in Russia has a liver or kidney worth taking.)

Hell, even in the US it's totally expected that people with money will sign up at transplant centers in poor regions where people die young- the best regional transplant centers to do this are in Kentucky and New Orleans, at least according to my dad's transplant nurse- to jump the line.

[bdwker]

32. Hope it's not true but...

wouldn't surprise me.

[daleo]

42. Some propaganda is just too bad to be true

I am leery of this one.