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BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:20 PM Dec 2015

Iraqi forces closing in on ISIS in Ramadi, military official says

Source: CNN

(CNN) — Iraq's military is just about a mile away from the ISIS-held government compound in Ramadi in Iraq's battle to retake the city from the terrorist group, a spokesman for the Joint Iraqi Operations Command said. Col. Mohammed Ibrahim said, "Thousands of improvised explosive devices were planted in the district by Daesh (ISIS). Each one needs at least 30 minutes to be dismantled."

Soldiers are going slowly through liberated neighborhoods of the city looking for ISIS terroists amids the IEDs. "We have to be very patient in order not to lose any soldier or any civilian in the area," Ibrahim said. With the help of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes, Iraqi forces are in the second day of a coordinated attack on Ramadi, a city about 70 miles (113 kilometers) west of Baghdad and the capital of Anbar province.

The Iraqi flag has been hoisted over two recaptured Ramadi neighborhoods, Iraq's Joint Operations Command said.

...Government officials said there are no Shiite militias involved in fighting on the front lines to liberate Ramadi. Most of the ISIS militants still fighting in the western Iraqi city of Ramadi are foreign fighters, the governor of Anbar province told CNN Thursday.

...He said some Shiite militias are stationed on the southern outskirts of Ramadi, but are not directly involved in ongoing operations, and Sunni militias comprised primarily of Anbar tribesmen are tasked with holding ground already recaptured by Iraq's military and clearing it of IEDs.

Having Shiite militias battle in this Sunni stronghold was a concern of the central government, especially in procuring support from among the local tribes in the battle against ISIS.


Read more: http://cnnphilippines.com/world/2015/12/25/Iraqi-forces-closing-in-on-ISIS-in-Ramadi.html

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
1. Yeah. They can "see the light at the end of the tunnel", yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 05:20 PM
Dec 2015

Only a couple of more Friedman Units, and this thing should be all wrapped up,
because they are "turning the corner".

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
3. Are you talking about me?
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

or about "News" from government approved sources.

Just out of curiosity, do you recognize any of my quotes?

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
4. Yadda, yadda, yadda
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

Yeah, you.

Abadi is actually doing this right, by all indications, keeping the Shia militia away from the action and letting Sunnis take at least some of the lead. Maliki's abuse of the Sunnis is what made ISIS in Iraq possible. Obama's refusal to put Americans back on the ground is looking pretty smart, too. More here, if you're interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/world/middleeast/iraq-isis-ramadi.html?_r=0

What was your point again?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. My point is that you have a very narrow focus on the History of the USA in this region.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:32 PM
Dec 2015

Since 2001, how many times have we been told that VICTORY was just around the corner,
"we can see the light at the end of the tunnel", "we have them on the run, just a few more months", and Yadda, yaddda, yadda..... for OVER 10 15 years.

Pardon my skepticism, but I have this annoying habit of not trusting people who have LIED to me multiple times about the Life and Death of my friends and soldiers.

The situation in the ME and former Iraq is FAR from settled, and more "Freedom Bombs" will NOT help the situation. The area you mention is in chaos...and you DO know that Isis has a supportive connection with Iran and a blood feud with the Sunnis (Saudi Arabia)? Yes?
You know that?

Peace in our time, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Heard it ALL before,
and it was ALL LIES then too!
It will be decades (if nor centuries) before the people of that region settle their differences.
They will resolve it faster if we just Leave Them the Fuck Alone.

If you could point to ONE successful US military intervention in the region in the last 50 years,
Please Proceed.

I'll be glad to sell you the same piece of swamp land..over...and over...and over again...yadda, yadda, yadda.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
6. Not to mention those British cartographers, oy
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

This is a relevant news story about ISIS perhaps being on the verge of losing Ramadi; some of the underlying details are noteworthy and potentially meaningful. I don't expect peace to break out in the ME. Then again, this is LBN; the America-needs-to-eternally-atone convo isn't always the most enlightening way to address events.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
8. The Iraqi national army did this without help from American ground forces . . .
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 11:13 PM
Dec 2015

The much-maligned Iraqi government troops and their Shiite militia allies have won a very tough and important fight. It appears Daesh is on its way out of Anbar province.

One wonders what else the Iraqis might achieve if we just get out of their way (and out of their country)?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. But dont forget our airpower; both helos and aircraft assisted this OP.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 12:17 AM
Dec 2015

They had a LOT of help from us. But your main point is still a good one; they are moving forward on the ground themselves.
ISIS and their companions like Boko Haram ALWAYS lose when they come up against an actual determined trained force. They are unstoppable against civilians and small militias and that makes them seem invincible. Cameroon forces showed Boko wasnt as strong as everyone thought, too.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
10. Plus we only launched airstrikes against ISIS once Iraq agreed to form a new government
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 12:41 AM
Dec 2015

and move on from Maliki, who was a one-man alienation force.

Maliki's track record strongly suggests he would not have kept Shia militia on the outskirts of Ramadi and made the liberation a joint Iraqi Army-Sunni militia effort. Abadi's approach actually gives the government a chance to hold onto Ramadi once it has been regained.

ISIS would have liked nothing better than for the US to have stayed completely out of this militarily and politically. Obama's choice to let Maliki hang himself and make US airpower contingent on political change gave ISIS a window and, as such, was risky in the short-term. But it's looking pretty smart now that Abadi appears to be actually giving that change some teeth.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
13. Actually, while American jets did contribute air strikes . . .
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 01:12 AM
Dec 2015

The government of Iraq rejected an American offer to provide Apache attack helicopters for close support of the Iraqi assault on Ramadi. U.S. Army sources confirm that version of events.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
16. Thats true; which is probably better for us anyway.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 09:15 AM
Dec 2015

An Apache is more easily shot down than the other aircraft. Last i heard they were going to add them in, but you're right, they turned them down. Probably scared of friendly fire too

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
11. Looks like the Iranian involvement and training is paying off.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 12:48 AM
Dec 2015

Most of the Iraqi army is now Shi'a, heavily trained and advised from Tehran.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. As I said above, we gave them both heavy & close air support.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 12:52 AM
Dec 2015

Which makes a LOT of difference.

hibbing

(10,103 posts)
14. Whoopie
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 02:11 AM
Dec 2015

Sorry to be a party pooper, but I'm afraid we all we be reading stories like this for decades.


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