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Omaha Steve

(99,744 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:16 PM Dec 2015

In Endorsement, IBEW 1837 States, “Bernie Sanders Has The Best Labor Record Of Any Presidential Cand

Source: NH Labor News

MANCHESTER, N.H. – The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1837 today endorsed U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders for president in the NH Democratic Primary and the Maine Democratic Caucus, citing his long-standing commitment to addressing the needs of working families. IBEW 1837 represents more than 1,600 workers at electric utilities and broadcasting stations across Maine and New Hampshire. The Dover-based union’s endorsement builds on growing momentum for Sanders’ New Hampshire campaign, which has also secured the support of SEIU 1984, IBEW 490, the American Postal Workers Union Local 230 and SEIU 560.

“Bernie Sanders has a 35-year record standing shoulder-to-shoulder with workers and supporting the labor movement,” said IBEW Local #1837 President Bill Tarallo. “How our members vote is their personal decision but our E-Board wanted to recognize the tremendous work that Senator Sanders has done supporting the right of unions to organize, fighting against unfair trade deals and in support of higher wages for working people. He has the best labor record of any presidential candidate in more than a generation.”

The Union’s E-Board is made up of rank and file workers elected by the members to represent them. They also applauded Bernie Sanders’ support of IBEW and CWA union members during the recent successful strike at FairPoint in New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont, where he joined striking workers on the picket line and demanded the company agree to a fair contract.

“Beyond his stellar labor record, Bernie Sanders has defended Social Security and stood up to Wall Street,” Tarallo continued. “His support of public education and our nation’s veterans also deserves our recognition.”

FULL story at link. NH Labor News is run by DUer Matt murry. Last I knew he leans Hillary.

About NH Labor News
The New Hampshire Labor News is a group of NH Workers who believe that we need to protect ourselves against the attacks on workers. We are proud union members who are working to preserve the middle class. The NHLN talks mostly about news and politics from NH. We also talk about national issues that effect working men and women here in the Granite State.



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In Endorsement, IBEW 1837 States, “Bernie Sanders Has The Best Labor Record Of Any Presidential Cand (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2015 OP
K&R!! happynewyear Dec 2015 #1
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #14
....x10+ 840high Dec 2015 #22
true that! k&r dana_b Dec 2015 #2
I have difficulty imagining how any rank and file union member would NOT support Bernie. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #3
I have been told that Bernie's tax on transactions RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #9
I'm glad you posted this. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #21
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #28
Thanks very much for that. Here is how I see it. The "traders" make money off of their Trading. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #29
AWESOME news. Great timing too, for such an endorsement. K&R! n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #4
IBEW! liberalnarb Dec 2015 #5
Hell YES, he does!! AzDar Dec 2015 #6
Kudos to 1837 now... mikehiggins Dec 2015 #7
Yes, good news. Just wonder how the other union members are feeling about libdem4life Dec 2015 #8
I have written letters to AFSCME myself. RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #10
Good for you. Have they endorsed, or are you trying to get them to consider BS? libdem4life Dec 2015 #12
They have endorsed the opposition. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #24
Sorry about that. Another Oligarch with absolute power. It's an appropriate version libdem4life Dec 2015 #25
It's politics. Establishment people whether union or business are afraid of repercussions if they rhett o rick Dec 2015 #30
To be sure, but now Bernie is providing/focused on the possibility of a way out. libdem4life Dec 2015 #31
Seems the endorsements are starting to come in for Sanders. Great! eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #11
Awesome! Bubzer Dec 2015 #13
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #15
Big, big K&R! bvf Dec 2015 #16
K&R CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #17
They will be phone-banking, etc. Punkingal Dec 2015 #18
Expect another Sanders bump in NH. TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #19
The endorsements keep coming in! Duval Dec 2015 #20
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #23
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
3. I have difficulty imagining how any rank and file union member would NOT support Bernie.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie has been a supporter of unions and American workers in general for 40 years. Good for IBEW Local 1837.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
9. I have been told that Bernie's tax on transactions
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:26 PM
Dec 2015

will kill pension funds, because some investment accountant says so. Meanwhile they don't understand that their healthcare costs would go way down, nor do they wish to accept it.
So yes, there are stupid rank and file union members who do not support Bernie.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
21. I'm glad you posted this.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 03:15 PM
Dec 2015

Here's the real deal about the transaction tax:

I don't know how basic your understanding is, so forgive me if I'm telling you something you already know.

Since the deregulation of Wall Street, investment houses, banks and insurance companies can now all 'play' the market, meaning they can speculate using other people's money on things like derivative bundles, which are very risky. So, there are two things about this tax that actually are a good idea:

First, think of all the people you might listen to for investment advice. They will generally tell you to 'buy and hold' but the real money is made once schmucks like us lay down their money and buy shares. Because the big house holding our shares for us can make money from trading them every day and we'll never know the difference.

OK, now that we've established that, how do they do it? Well, the big houses all have 'bots. These 'bots are basically computer programs that buy and sell securities (stocks) and commodity futures so the investment house can realize an incremental profit from arbitrage. Let me explain. The New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) for instance, is located on - you guessed it - Wall Street. The big houses have 'seats' on this exchange (and others). So each big house sends traders to the floor of the exchange and they basically yell at each other all day making trades. Seriously. I've seen this on video and it looks like the most hellish job that ever was...utterly without any existential meaning...

Anyway, for each transaction there is an 'ask' price and a 'sell' price. Usually they are very close, in the tenths of a penny difference. But when shares in a company are moving down or up, there's a real opportunity, if they do it really fast, to make a narrow profit on the difference between 'ask' and 'sell' prices. This is called arbitrage. For instance if a company bought 100,000 shares of X at $10.00 a minute ago, but now the 'sell' price is $10.01, the 'bot will signal a 'sell' order and in nanoseconds the trade will be complete - 100,000 shares of X bought a minute ago at $10, and sold just now at $10.01 per share for an arbitrage profit on that one trade of $1,000.

Thousands of these transactions take place per minute, and as I say, schmucks like us don't have any clue. All we did was buy the stocks, and then years later when we sell them we will have to pay a 'capital gain' tax on the difference in what we paid way back when (the basis) and what we sold it for. But all this time the company where we have our trading account has made thousands of dollars in profit trading up and down the whole time. In fact, the 'volume' (total number of trades) on the exchange is inflated because of these 'bots, and the market (value of stocks) can actually be artificially changed by all these trades. So, instead of the market moving on the value the companies behind the stocks re actually creating, it moves based on a bunch of greedy traders trying to suck the uttermost drop of blood.

Scummy, right? I mean, there's just something that feels dirty about that - almost like a sucker eating scum from the bottom of a pond just to eke out that final few pennies of profit. Bernie's tax wouldn't affect that this happens - we'd just be collecting a tiny tax on each transaction. This is the money he wants to use to pay for free college at state schools to the bachelor's level. Great for our kids and only a microscopic reduction in profit for companies that are already like giant bloated mosquitoes that are ready to explode from sucking too much blood.

OK....now here's the second reason, the one that actually affects pension funds:

Second, as if the above isn't enough, the big exchanges gamble even MORE aggressively with our money without us ever knowing. Their method of choice is the derivative bundle. Basically, a derivative is a 'contract that derives its value from the performance of an underlying entity. This underlying entity can be an asset, index, or interest rate, and is often called the "underlying."'

So, how does this egregious scum sucking look on the ground? Let's take the example above. Because hey, $1,000 every few seconds isn't anything right? Just chump change for these greed heads. What if the quantitative analysts for the big trading house decide stock for company X is a winner long term.

They can make money off this two ways:

1. They can bundle it as a derivative package with other 'winners' and sell it to other investors at a price that takes into account the estimated 'win' amount. So the investors put up money that belongs to other people, usually, and buy this bet that these stocks as a group are all going to go up Z amount. Since they bought it for Z-Y, they stand to make Y profit on the bundle. And, if the stock does BETTER than Z then they will make even more. Now the funny thing about derivatives is that that's all they are, just bets. You aren't buying anything really, you're just putting money into a big slot machine.

Because if the stock doesn't go up enough to cover your cost, then the derivative owner is upside down. This is what happened to Lehman Brothers in 2008, basically.

So how does this affect pensions? Well the company that holds your pension may have 'enjoyed' this nice deregulation, so now they can REALLY gamble...with your money. Now, and here's the nuance...it would be OK if they sold derivatives to other investors based on what they think will happen with YOUR money because that way you wouldn't lose your money even of those bets went bad.

But.......................oh SHIT!

What if the company that holds your pension mortgages the value of the pension and uses your money to buy derivatives from someone else???

Oh, oh.

And then, what if those bets go south? Well, that company has to use other assets to cover the value of your pension, and if they can't then YOU lose YOUR money. Bernie's tax on these transactions MIGHT prevent the big houses that make these arbitrage trades every nanosecond from moving the market artificially quite so much. And it certainly would stop most of this kind of arbitrage trading with bundled derivatives.

See, this is why Bernie is so RIGHT. He wants to reinstate Glass-Steagall, which basically says, hey, if you're a commercial bank then you can only do X. If you're an investment bank then you can only do Y. If you are an insurance company, you can only do Z. This is why Wall Street is so fucked up and immoral...well, one reason.

The other reason is the Fed. See, people think the Fed is 'quasi' governmental. Bullshit. The Fed is primarily owned by two big banks: JP Morgan Chase and Citibank. So this national debt? It's money we owe to ourselves. So why are we paying interest on that money to Wall Street?

What pisses me off, just burns me is that NONE of these slimeballs like Jamie Diamon have gone to trial let alone jail for their fucked up betting that ruined so many lives.

Last, cause this was a long post, let me say that if you are a working American, you should be for Bernie, period, because our interests have NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING in common with those of the greed heads on Wall Street.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. Thanks very much for that. Here is how I see it. The "traders" make money off of their Trading.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

That money doesn't come out of the air, it come from the pension funds that are being "managed". Sanders wants to tax that money getting skimmed off to get some of it back to the 99%. The effect may be to reduce this unnecessary trading which would actually save the pension funds money. In Wall Street wealth is zero-sum. What profits the "traders" take home comes from the rubes.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. Yes, good news. Just wonder how the other union members are feeling about
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:26 PM
Dec 2015

the quick endorsement by their leaders. Seems like there were two large unions that did that and a lot of their members were Bernie supporters.

As the Unions go, that represented much of the Middle Class that's been left behind. Especially when your Union Management rushes to stay with the Status Quo...with the candidate who doesn't want to give them a working wage.

Might I dare believe that these last ones somewhat give cover for more Bernie endorsements from unions, or even locals to endorse and work.



 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. Sorry about that. Another Oligarch with absolute power. It's an appropriate version
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015

of the 1%...why? Because We Can. The gap gets wider...especially those who support a much lesser Living Wage...and union leadership...shame on them. But it unfortunately makes Bernie's point.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. It's politics. Establishment people whether union or business are afraid of repercussions if they
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

don't support the Establishment candidate.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
31. To be sure, but now Bernie is providing/focused on the possibility of a way out.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:39 PM
Dec 2015

I'll admit I wanted more information when he says "bring the people together in a revolution" means. But the unions are a fantastic way to start...working class people who have lost big time (union or not) in this New Economy. Maybe some more Locals will endorse...that would be good.

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