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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:43 PM Dec 2015

Two Straight Debates On National Security, And No Questions About The Real Threat To The Globe

Source: Huffington Post

In a Democratic debate focused on national security Saturday evening, one topic was notably missing from moderators' questions: climate change.

Even though a major climate agreement was reached recently, it didn't even come up during Saturday's two-hour debate or the GOP debate on Tuesday.

Climate change can increase the likelihood of migration pressures and change the availability of natural resources, which can lead to conflict among different groups of people. The issue has also been linked to the cause of the Syrian civil war -- which the candidates did spend a chunk of time discussing Saturday evening.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-debate-climate-change_567626dfe4b014efe0d5cc56

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Two Straight Debates On National Security, And No Questions About The Real Threat To The Globe (Original Post) tecelote Dec 2015 OP
And I dont get it, why do they do this? randys1 Dec 2015 #1
Because the money that's invested in the media is also invested in war. Gregorian Dec 2015 #5
Exactly. tecelote Dec 2015 #6
It is amaziong after Obama has a major climate change meeting, no questions on climate change. Odd. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #8
Politicians get no credit skepticscott Dec 2015 #12
Follow the money. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2015 #19
Stupidity and venality? pscot Dec 2015 #16
By Design - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Always Deflect The Narrative To Scare The Masses cantbeserious Dec 2015 #2
Sanders is the only one who DID say CLIMATE CHANGE IS OUR REAL THREAT. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #3
O'Malley mentioned it too muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #10
O'Malley has been saying it for a LONG time. nt MH1 Dec 2015 #13
What of HRC's Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #15
How can we continue to "Go shopping" as George Jr. told us to do after 9/11 if jalan48 Dec 2015 #4
I'm baking for each family this year. Only shopping at the jwirr Dec 2015 #7
I'm buying some things for family, not a lot. jalan48 Dec 2015 #9
Do not affend the sponsers. JEB Dec 2015 #11
K & R Duppers Dec 2015 #14
The reason is simple malthaussen Dec 2015 #17
If Islamists continue to spread, where the shoreline is wont matter. 7962 Dec 2015 #18

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. Because the money that's invested in the media is also invested in war.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

Just keep us focused on fear.

Meanwhile, doing the responsible things like infrastructure, and attention to climate change don't have an immediate return on investment. Same thing for bailing the criminal bankers out, while leaving us with the tab.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
12. Politicians get no credit
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

for being proactive and averting crises, and they know it. They get far more mileage out of letting a crisis happen and then appearing to be a "strong leader" once things have already turned to shit and a lot of people have died.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
3. Sanders is the only one who DID say CLIMATE CHANGE IS OUR REAL THREAT.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:49 PM
Dec 2015

Did you miss that? The moderators moved on quickly. Hillary nor O'Malley said a word.

Sanders IS THE ONE who keeps saying it, because it's true!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
10. O'Malley mentioned it too
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:31 PM
Dec 2015
Sanders:

I'm running because we need to address the planetary crisis of climate change and take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy.
...
O'Malley:

The other big challenge we have is climate change. The greatest business opportunity to come to the United States of America in 100 years. We need to embrace this. I have put forward a plan that does this, that moves us to 100 percent clean electric grid by 2050.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/19/3rd-democratic-debate-transcript-annotated-who-said-what-and-what-it-meant/

Not a huge mention from either of them, it's true.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
4. How can we continue to "Go shopping" as George Jr. told us to do after 9/11 if
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:56 PM
Dec 2015

there's this big, overriding, game changing issue facing us? There's really no way for the folks making the money off of the 'go shopping' model to spin this. Their answer is to ignore it and tell us to keep thinking Disneyland style.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
9. I'm buying some things for family, not a lot.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

I think our model is the problem. In order for things to be "good" we need to consume and increase consumption every year. It's a basic problem with capitalism. It's a system that requires infinite growth which exists in a finite physical environment. Something has to give and in this case it's the climate.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. If Islamists continue to spread, where the shoreline is wont matter.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

And its not going to be brought up much because the polls show the topic way down the list with voters.

And tying climate change to Syria is ridiculous. The trouble in Syria comes from the people being tired of the iron rule of a dictator and trying to overthrow him. And then fighting more among themselves than fighting the dictator's army creates even more problems than they had to start with

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